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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    I stayed until the end, but they all hung out for a bit after the panel to meet people and sign shit, but I had to run the hell out.

    I got to see the awesome dumb stuff and high five a shirtless Jeff Green however.

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  • TrippyJingTrippyJing Moses supposes his toeses are roses. But Moses supposes erroneously.Registered User regular
    Anzekay wrote: »
    Anzekay wrote: »
    It's just a stupid mechanic and really frustrates me

    It's a game about not making mistakes, or of living with those mistakes if you do make them

    Don't punish me for NOT making mistakes

    It makes me not want to play at all

    Crits and hit percentages work in XCOM because even though there's permadeath, you can save mid mission in case you get totally boned by RNG

    Not the case in fire emblem

    I've always thought the point of critical hits was to keep you on your toes about putting characters into situations where they can be attacked by something they are weak too, and might get crit (and thus one-shot) by, or to be really mindful of what hp your characters are on. It's just something else you have to keep in mind all the time.

    I can understand how that can be really frustrating, though, and not everyone's cup of tea. I don't mind it, personally, because it's a layer of a little RNG that I have to keep in mind at all times, adding a bit more breadth to my options.

    Crits aren't tied to weakness, they can happen on any weapon match-up

    Right but the idea is that you need to understand that crits can happen and plan accordingly. Make actions under the assumption that the opponent WILL get a crit every time. Basically, only attack when you can guarantee a kill, and only put yourself to be in a position to be attacked if you're confident you can survive a crit (or if you have no oter choice)

    That takes an already cautious game to an absurd level

    Never let a non-full hp character get anywhere near an enemy

    no thanks

    I think it was so frustrating because I see such a fun game there but every time I got some momentum in the game the wind was sucked out of my sails

    Is probably recommend playing on casual if you don't want to tip toe on eggshells every single fight

    Because in my experience at least, "never let an ally with less than full hp get near an enemy" is exactly what you have to do

    Yes well

    I'm 12 hours in and you can't change it in-game

    It does kinda suck that you can't change it in-game, but I can also understand why they have it set up that way. Same with XCOM- can't just change out of ironman after you're four missions in.

    Why does that make sense? I'm now not going to play the game, where I would if it was an option.

    What user is that good for

    I feel like this is a lot like wanting to back out of bungee-jumping when you're already in midair.

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    There is zero reason for disallowing difficulty changes mid game, particularly now that playing through a game on a difficulty is tied to achievements or unlocks, it is a trivial matter to ensure only people who have been on that difficulty or higher the entire game get that macguffin.

    We've got dumb badges and stuff now as incentive for people to sick to their higher difficulty, I don't want to start your game to continue playing because that becomes just "stop playing entirely"

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  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    Anzekay wrote: »
    Anzekay wrote: »
    It's just a stupid mechanic and really frustrates me

    It's a game about not making mistakes, or of living with those mistakes if you do make them

    Don't punish me for NOT making mistakes

    It makes me not want to play at all

    Crits and hit percentages work in XCOM because even though there's permadeath, you can save mid mission in case you get totally boned by RNG

    Not the case in fire emblem

    I've always thought the point of critical hits was to keep you on your toes about putting characters into situations where they can be attacked by something they are weak too, and might get crit (and thus one-shot) by, or to be really mindful of what hp your characters are on. It's just something else you have to keep in mind all the time.

    I can understand how that can be really frustrating, though, and not everyone's cup of tea. I don't mind it, personally, because it's a layer of a little RNG that I have to keep in mind at all times, adding a bit more breadth to my options.

    Crits aren't tied to weakness, they can happen on any weapon match-up

    Right but the idea is that you need to understand that crits can happen and plan accordingly. Make actions under the assumption that the opponent WILL get a crit every time. Basically, only attack when you can guarantee a kill, and only put yourself to be in a position to be attacked if you're confident you can survive a crit (or if you have no oter choice)

    That takes an already cautious game to an absurd level

    Never let a non-full hp character get anywhere near an enemy

    no thanks

    I think it was so frustrating because I see such a fun game there but every time I got some momentum in the game the wind was sucked out of my sails

    Is probably recommend playing on casual if you don't want to tip toe on eggshells every single fight

    Because in my experience at least, "never let an ally with less than full hp get near an enemy" is exactly what you have to do

    Yes well

    I'm 12 hours in and you can't change it in-game

    It does kinda suck that you can't change it in-game, but I can also understand why they have it set up that way. Same with XCOM- can't just change out of ironman after you're four missions in.

    Why does that make sense? I'm now not going to play the game, where I would if it was an option.

    What user is that good for

    I feel like this is a lot like wanting to back out of bungee-jumping when you're already in midair.

    I mean

    Other than they have nothing in common at all

    You don't hit a skill wall in bungee jumping and then are not able to complete the jump

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  • KilroyKilroy timaeusTestified Registered User regular
    I'm not a gamesmith, but it seems to me that allowing difficulty changes at any time is the kind of thing you have to write extra code for, and extra code costs time and money, both of which are often at a premium during a development cycle

  • TrippyJingTrippyJing Moses supposes his toeses are roses. But Moses supposes erroneously.Registered User regular
    But there's zero incentive to play on Classic to begin with.

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  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    But there's zero incentive to play on Classic to begin with.

    Other than the fact that literally everyone told me to do so and that it would be fine and I wouldn't get the real experience if I didn't

    Now part of that's on me for believing them

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  • SLyMSLyM Registered User regular
    The reason for playing it classic is that it's how the game is designed and balanced to be played, and that (in my opinion) most of the fun comes from working the battles like a puzzle and finding out the correct way to fight without losing anyone.

    My friend is working on a roguelike game you can play if you want to. (It has free demo)
  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    oh man, yes, let the cyber wars commence

    http://www.reputationmanagementconsultants.com/anti-glass/

  • TrippyJingTrippyJing Moses supposes his toeses are roses. But Moses supposes erroneously.Registered User regular
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    Anzekay wrote: »
    Anzekay wrote: »
    It's just a stupid mechanic and really frustrates me

    It's a game about not making mistakes, or of living with those mistakes if you do make them

    Don't punish me for NOT making mistakes

    It makes me not want to play at all

    Crits and hit percentages work in XCOM because even though there's permadeath, you can save mid mission in case you get totally boned by RNG

    Not the case in fire emblem

    I've always thought the point of critical hits was to keep you on your toes about putting characters into situations where they can be attacked by something they are weak too, and might get crit (and thus one-shot) by, or to be really mindful of what hp your characters are on. It's just something else you have to keep in mind all the time.

    I can understand how that can be really frustrating, though, and not everyone's cup of tea. I don't mind it, personally, because it's a layer of a little RNG that I have to keep in mind at all times, adding a bit more breadth to my options.

    Crits aren't tied to weakness, they can happen on any weapon match-up

    Right but the idea is that you need to understand that crits can happen and plan accordingly. Make actions under the assumption that the opponent WILL get a crit every time. Basically, only attack when you can guarantee a kill, and only put yourself to be in a position to be attacked if you're confident you can survive a crit (or if you have no oter choice)

    That takes an already cautious game to an absurd level

    Never let a non-full hp character get anywhere near an enemy

    no thanks

    I think it was so frustrating because I see such a fun game there but every time I got some momentum in the game the wind was sucked out of my sails

    Is probably recommend playing on casual if you don't want to tip toe on eggshells every single fight

    Because in my experience at least, "never let an ally with less than full hp get near an enemy" is exactly what you have to do

    Yes well

    I'm 12 hours in and you can't change it in-game

    It does kinda suck that you can't change it in-game, but I can also understand why they have it set up that way. Same with XCOM- can't just change out of ironman after you're four missions in.

    Why does that make sense? I'm now not going to play the game, where I would if it was an option.

    What user is that good for

    I feel like this is a lot like wanting to back out of bungee-jumping when you're already in midair.

    I mean

    Other than they have nothing in common at all

    You don't hit a skill wall in bungee jumping and then are not able to complete the jump

    You could grind and/or accept losses. When you say skill wall, do you mean you are completely being destroyed, or that you lose one person and consider that a loss?

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  • Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    I didn't know why people thought Glass was so dorky looking

    And then I realized that there's no lenses in it and now I hate it

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  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    Anzekay wrote: »
    Anzekay wrote: »
    It's just a stupid mechanic and really frustrates me

    It's a game about not making mistakes, or of living with those mistakes if you do make them

    Don't punish me for NOT making mistakes

    It makes me not want to play at all

    Crits and hit percentages work in XCOM because even though there's permadeath, you can save mid mission in case you get totally boned by RNG

    Not the case in fire emblem

    I've always thought the point of critical hits was to keep you on your toes about putting characters into situations where they can be attacked by something they are weak too, and might get crit (and thus one-shot) by, or to be really mindful of what hp your characters are on. It's just something else you have to keep in mind all the time.

    I can understand how that can be really frustrating, though, and not everyone's cup of tea. I don't mind it, personally, because it's a layer of a little RNG that I have to keep in mind at all times, adding a bit more breadth to my options.

    Crits aren't tied to weakness, they can happen on any weapon match-up

    Right but the idea is that you need to understand that crits can happen and plan accordingly. Make actions under the assumption that the opponent WILL get a crit every time. Basically, only attack when you can guarantee a kill, and only put yourself to be in a position to be attacked if you're confident you can survive a crit (or if you have no oter choice)

    That takes an already cautious game to an absurd level

    Never let a non-full hp character get anywhere near an enemy

    no thanks

    I think it was so frustrating because I see such a fun game there but every time I got some momentum in the game the wind was sucked out of my sails

    Is probably recommend playing on casual if you don't want to tip toe on eggshells every single fight

    Because in my experience at least, "never let an ally with less than full hp get near an enemy" is exactly what you have to do

    Yes well

    I'm 12 hours in and you can't change it in-game

    It does kinda suck that you can't change it in-game, but I can also understand why they have it set up that way. Same with XCOM- can't just change out of ironman after you're four missions in.

    Why does that make sense? I'm now not going to play the game, where I would if it was an option.

    What user is that good for

    I feel like this is a lot like wanting to back out of bungee-jumping when you're already in midair.

    I mean

    Other than they have nothing in common at all

    You don't hit a skill wall in bungee jumping and then are not able to complete the jump

    You could grind and/or accept losses. When you say skill wall, do you mean you are completely being destroyed, or that you lose one person and consider that a loss?
    The second thing

    I'm not going to play the game if I'm missing out on dialogue or characters

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  • TrippyJingTrippyJing Moses supposes his toeses are roses. But Moses supposes erroneously.Registered User regular
    I have two playthroughs going, one where I restart if I lose somebody, and one where I accept all losses.

    Farewell, Virion and Lon'qu.

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  • AtomicTofuAtomicTofu She's a straight-up supervillain, yo Registered User regular
    Langly wrote: »
    oh man, yes, let the cyber wars commence

    http://www.reputationmanagementconsultants.com/anti-glass/

    "Give us your personal data so Google doesn't have your personal data!!"

    a5ehren
  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    Also I still don't understand why this is something anyone could be opposed to

    Why would you not want the option to change the game experience to be a better challenge/experience for yourself

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  • TrippyJingTrippyJing Moses supposes his toeses are roses. But Moses supposes erroneously.Registered User regular
    edited April 2014
    How close are you to the end of the battle when you lose someone?

    TrippyJing on
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  • OptyOpty Registered User regular
    It seems like it's a lack of research on your side on what the "real experience" entailed before you dove in. The real Fire Emblem experience is going in assuming everyone will crit against you and you will never crit and that npcs will always attack the weakest person in their attack range. It's a game of exploiting enemy AI behaviors to maximize the damage you do to them while minimizing the damage you take. If you're not up for that then play the casual mode or don't play Fire Emblem.

  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    Opty wrote: »
    It seems like it's a lack of research on your side on what the "real experience" entailed before you dove in. The real Fire Emblem experience is going in assuming everyone will crit against you and you will never crit and that npcs will always attack the weakest person in their attack range. It's a game of exploiting enemy AI behaviors to maximize the damage you do to them while minimizing the damage you take. If you're not up for that then play the casual mode or don't play Fire Emblem.

    I'm so

    So tired of this attitude about hard games

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  • TrippyJingTrippyJing Moses supposes his toeses are roses. But Moses supposes erroneously.Registered User regular
    There's also the final option of restarting on Casual.

    But apparently there's also the final, final option of not playing the game entirely.

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  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    I just love that they describe it as radar jamming someone's glasses (works nothing like that) and how militarized the language is. Our society is totally priming itself to be blade runner.

    JayKaos
  • MaximumMaximum Registered User regular
    I lost a bunch of people in Awakening. That's just what happens, it didn't ruin my experience or anything.

    I just looked at it like I was playing my own unique version of the game, rather than trying to be "perfect", or whatever.

  • JarsJars Registered User regular
    it's entirely possible to beat the game without losing someone, so if this is happening to you every single time maybe it's no longer down to luck.

  • TrippyJingTrippyJing Moses supposes his toeses are roses. But Moses supposes erroneously.Registered User regular
    Is restarting on Casual an option for you?

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  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    Jars wrote: »
    it's entirely possible to beat the game without losing someone, so if this is happening to you every single time maybe it's no longer down to luck.

    I lost 3 dudes to crits to the last guy on the same hour long map in a row
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    Is restarting on Casual an option for you?

    No, I don't have the time or interest to replay 15 hours of content

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  • JarsJars Registered User regular
    also the luck stat reduces your chance to be crit.

    but really if it's happened 3 times in a row then use someone that can survive a crit.

  • TrippyJingTrippyJing Moses supposes his toeses are roses. But Moses supposes erroneously.Registered User regular
    edited April 2014
    It's just that when I hit walls and think I have to restart, I don't write off the game completely. I just...give it a break before restarting.

    Hell, I did it for this very game!

    The attitude of fuck this game forever is weird to me.

    TrippyJing on
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  • Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    I am pretty sure this argument of trying to convince somebody to enjoy a game they don't enjoy is not going to go anywhere but in circles

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  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    So mostly what I'm seeing is 'git gud' or 'restart'

    Clearly I can't do that first one and I'm not doing the second so

    Again I just wish I could switch the difficulty midgame and think its really dumb you can't

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  • JarsJars Registered User regular
    you're being offered options to help you beat the chapter, and flat out refusing to consider them? what boss are you stuck on, and do you really not have any characters that can survive a crit from them?

  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    Mr. G wrote: »
    I am pretty sure this argument of trying to convince somebody to enjoy a game they don't enjoy is not going to go anywhere but in circles

    The funny thing is I do like most of Fire Emblem

    But there's this thing on the internet where if you don't like every aspect of the game that is not good enough

    Fire emblem is good

    Crits and the inability to switch the difficulty mid game is bad.

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  • TrippyJingTrippyJing Moses supposes his toeses are roses. But Moses supposes erroneously.Registered User regular
    edited April 2014
    I'll ask this, then.

    Your primary obstacle to enjoying this game is the difficulty level you started at. You're unwilling to restart now at a lower difficulty level. When you say that, do you literally mean you're never going to restart? Or is there any amount of time you're willing to wait to play again?

    TrippyJing on
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  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    I'll ask this, then.

    Your primary obstacle to enjoying this game is the difficulty level you started at. You're unwilling to restart now at a lower difficulty level. When you say that, do you literally mean you're never going to restart? Or is there any amount of time you're willing to wait to play again?

    No, I'm not going to restart

    There are a lot of video games to play and not a lot of time
    Jars wrote: »
    you're being offered options to help you beat the chapter, and flat out refusing to consider them? what boss are you stuck on, and do you really not have any characters that can survive a crit from them?

    It wasn't even a boss, it was a random enemy

    I spent 3 hours on the same level, I'm not going to play it again knowing I could just get critted at any time and have to restart the game again

    I would CONSIDER continuing to play if I could switch to casual mode, but I can't

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  • TrippyJingTrippyJing Moses supposes his toeses are roses. But Moses supposes erroneously.Registered User regular
    edited April 2014
    Not weeks, not months, not years, not even "eh, whenever I feel like it", but never?

    That just feels unreasonable to me.

    TrippyJing on
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  • TubularLuggageTubularLuggage Registered User regular
    I remember playing through The Last of Us, and hitting a point where I felt I had started playing on a higher difficulty than was ideal for me. I was relatively far in at that point, and if I had to restart the whole game to lower the difficulty, I would have done it, but it would have deflated the experience a bit. Instead, I was able to change the difficulty and keep going, and it made for a much better experience.

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  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    Not weeks, not months, not years, not even "eh, whenever I feel like it", but never?

    That just feels unreasonable to me.

    Why?

    I mostly enjoyed my experience, but it got very frustrating for me.

    Why would I replay content I've already played when there are new things to play, or games that I know I love the whole way through that I could replay?

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  • augustaugust where you come from is gone Registered User regular
  • Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    And thus begins the greatest inner conflict of my life

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  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    Snoop Dogg v. Harrison Ford in an "I don't give a fuck anymore"-off, who wins?

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  • TrippyJingTrippyJing Moses supposes his toeses are roses. But Moses supposes erroneously.Registered User regular
    edited April 2014
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    Not weeks, not months, not years, not even "eh, whenever I feel like it", but never?

    That just feels unreasonable to me.

    Why?

    I mostly enjoyed my experience, but it got very frustrating for me.

    Why would I replay content I've already played when there are new things to play, or games that I know I love the whole way through that I could replay?

    Because you don't know if you'd enjoy it the whole way through on Casual, because you've neither played it on that difficulty or gone the whole way through.

    That being said, I don't actually know how much content you have left, other than the fifteen hours, which could've been spent on one mission for all I know. I guess your position would be much more understandable to me if you were 75% into the game or something.

    TrippyJing on
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  • DiarmuidDiarmuid Amazing Meatball Registered User regular
    If I was unable to change the difficulty level in Deus Ex: HR, I would never have finished that game.

    Seriously, fuck those boss fights.

    BucketmanPenumbra
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