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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    kinda hate that I can't read this thread anymore because of future book spoilers

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    vagrant_windsvagrant_winds Overworked Mysterious Eldritch Horror Hunter XX Registered User regular
    The TV show writers have clearly shown they want to go their own direction and change up the plot. The longer the series goes on the more it diverges from the books as a completely separate entity. They've cut and changed numerous important book events and characters and people should probably stop trying to predict where the TV show will go by looking at the books.

    And yeah, I'm excited about the next season because I no longer know what's going to happen with how much the show writers have changed the plot. It'll never be as good as the books, but it's different and something new.

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    fRAWRstfRAWRst The Seas Call The Mad AnswerRegistered User regular
    Plus yknow

    it has a fucking release date

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    ButlerButler 89 episodes or bust Registered User regular
    I really want there to be some big, crucial event that goes completely the opposite way in the show

    So the book people will be smugly watching along all, "Oh you show-only peons just have no idea what's about to - wait WHAAAAAAAAAAAAT!?!?"

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2015
    Gvzbgul wrote: »
    The only issue with the theory is that Jon is not a warg in the tv show. He still could be revealed as one, but it would be a bit out of nowhere.

    If we assume that anything the show has dropped is not an important Chekov's gun in the books then I'd guess that Jon will not warg in Stannis.

    Yes, he is.
    Even in the books he hasn't "opened his third eye" but has wolf dreams.

    Just because they haven't shown wolf dreams don't mean the characters don't experience them.

    Also, I cannot be the only person who came up with that theory. There was even
    A one off character who served purely as exposition on what happens when warts die and how hard it can be to take over a human host, and the "warg rules".

    Shit, Jon didn't even accept he was a warg until he met Boarman McBoarfist and they had a stare down outside the wall.

    R+L=J/W * S = AA

    The biggest change the show has done was nerfing how awful Cersei is and shifting the awful onto Joff so she could be relatable and the hate boner for Joff would intensify.

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    PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    The TV show writers have clearly shown they want to go their own direction and change up the plot. The longer the series goes on the more it diverges from the books as a completely separate entity. They've cut and changed numerous important book events and characters and people should probably stop trying to predict where the TV show will go by looking at the books.

    And yeah, I'm excited about the next season because I no longer know what's going to happen with how much the show writers have changed the plot. It'll never be as good as the books, but it's different and something new.

    I wish the show-only inventions to date had been good, like, ever

    Well, no, that isn't totally fair. Tywin got a lot of show-invented time to shine, and there's the occasional scene like the first kill reminiscing in the first season. They can do moments well.

    But still, I wish I could have more optimism for their "Forge their own trail" instincts. As is, I'm... slightly apprehensive.

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    ProlegomenaProlegomena Frictionless Spinning The VoidRegistered User regular
    Every time they add something it just reminds me of something they removed. Something they removed so they could have a few more minutes of pointless tits.

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    Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    The show invented the Hound/Brienne fight

    That's like 15 points right there

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    Houk the NamebringerHouk the Namebringer Nipples The EchidnaRegistered User regular
    The TV show writers have clearly shown they want to go their own direction and change up the plot. The longer the series goes on the more it diverges from the books as a completely separate entity. They've cut and changed numerous important book events and characters and people should probably stop trying to predict where the TV show will go by looking at the books.

    And yeah, I'm excited about the next season because I no longer know what's going to happen with how much the show writers have changed the plot. It'll never be as good as the books, but it's different and something new.

    I wish the show-only inventions to date had been good, like, ever

    Well, no, that isn't totally fair. Tywin got a lot of show-invented time to shine, and there's the occasional scene like the first kill reminiscing in the first season. They can do moments well.

    But still, I wish I could have more optimism for their "Forge their own trail" instincts. As is, I'm... slightly apprehensive.

    not reading the book before seeing the show/movie serves me well as always, because i'm enjoying the hell out of the show without the burden of having to compare it to anything!

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    PsykomaPsykoma Registered User regular
    I'm listening to the audiobooks now.

    Which reminded me of a question I had about Drogo's death.

    In the show, it seemed to me pretty clear that Mirri basically made sure that the wound wouldn't heal.

    But in the book,
    It was a lot more ambiguous. Mirri stitched him up and gave him poultices and everything, and told him to keep the wrap on for 10 days, to not drink alcohol or milk of the poppy. But drogo ignores this advice within like two days.

    Now I'm wondering, would Mirri have legitimately healed Drogo if he followed her advice? Or would it have been a quicker death.

    Her speech in the show about Drogo needing to be stopped would lend indication that she was basically poisoning him.
    But I still have to wonder.

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    Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    I think having Talisa in place of Jeyne Westerling was pretty effective

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    ProlegomenaProlegomena Frictionless Spinning The VoidRegistered User regular
    Psykoma wrote: »
    I'm listening to the audiobooks now.

    Which reminded me of a question I had about Drogo's death.

    In the show, it seemed to me pretty clear that Mirri basically made sure that the wound wouldn't heal.

    But in the book,
    It was a lot more ambiguous. Mirri stitched him up and gave him poultices and everything, and told him to keep the wrap on for 10 days, to not drink alcohol or milk of the poppy. But drogo ignores this advice within like two days.

    Now I'm wondering, would Mirri have legitimately healed Drogo if he followed her advice? Or would it have been a quicker death.

    Her speech in the show about Drogo needing to be stopped would lend indication that she was basically poisoning him.
    But I still have to wonder.

    I think this is just good writing, it doesn't seem like any one outcome is mandated.

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    Professor SnugglesworthProfessor Snugglesworth Registered User regular
    Kind of a longshot, but are there any Florida residents here that are planning to go to one of the IMAX theaters tomorrow for the GOT event?

    I'm pretty interested, but I don't have anyone in my social circle who watches Game of Thrones, so I'd hate to go alone. If it's an opportunity to meet up with a (hopefully friendly) PA floridian, that would be enough incentive for me.

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    Peter EbelPeter Ebel CopenhagenRegistered User regular
    Psykoma wrote: »
    I'm listening to the audiobooks now.

    Which reminded me of a question I had about Drogo's death.

    In the show, it seemed to me pretty clear that Mirri basically made sure that the wound wouldn't heal.

    But in the book,
    It was a lot more ambiguous. Mirri stitched him up and gave him poultices and everything, and told him to keep the wrap on for 10 days, to not drink alcohol or milk of the poppy. But drogo ignores this advice within like two days.

    Now I'm wondering, would Mirri have legitimately healed Drogo if he followed her advice? Or would it have been a quicker death.

    Her speech in the show about Drogo needing to be stopped would lend indication that she was basically poisoning him.
    But I still have to wonder.

    I think this is just good writing, it doesn't seem like any one outcome is mandated.

    That's probably Martin's best quality as a writer. He gives his characters just enough rope to hang themselves - regardless of how sympathetic they are to the reader.

    Fuck off and die.
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    fRAWRstfRAWRst The Seas Call The Mad AnswerRegistered User regular
    first season 5 trailer from the imax events!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6XBzwQpbbU

    spoilers, obv, and its phone cam quality

    lots, and lots, and lots, of book spoilers to be read from it
    no griffs

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    Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    fRAWRst wrote: »
    first season 5 trailer from the imax events!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6XBzwQpbbU

    spoilers, obv, and its phone cam quality

    lots, and lots, and lots, of book spoilers to be read from it
    no griffs
    Just because they're not in the trailer doesn't necessarily mean they're not on the show

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    fRAWRstfRAWRst The Seas Call The Mad AnswerRegistered User regular
    edited January 2015
    varys "who said anything about him"

    lots of people are taking it as show runners jab to book readers, aegon is cut. most likey it is tyrion asking about backing stannis

    Varys is clearly for Aegon at the end of aDwD, this streamlining may have huge repercussions for books since it seems like Varys is backing Dany

    verrrrrrry interesting

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    fRAWRstfRAWRst The Seas Call The Mad AnswerRegistered User regular
    also, slightly better quality trailer

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMKhdDlKHNE

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    VeldrinVeldrin Sham bam bamina Registered User regular
    edited January 2015
    Ok, something I'm not really clear on in season 4
    Who the heck actually killed Joffrey?

    Lady Olenna seemed to have the best access to him, but Littlefinger's claims made it seem like there were two separate murder plots?

    Edit: Or I guess I probably just missed something and it was all one coordinated plot.

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    Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    Veldrin wrote: »
    Ok, something I'm not really clear on in season 4
    Who the heck actually killed Joffrey?

    Lady Olenna seemed to have the best access to him, but Littlefinger's claims made it seem like there were two separate murder plots?
    It was Olenna who actually dropped the poison in (it was in the stone she palmed from Sansa's necklace, which had been provided by Littlefinger)

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    fRAWRstfRAWRst The Seas Call The Mad AnswerRegistered User regular
    edited January 2015
    Veldrin wrote: »
    Ok, something I'm not really clear on in season 4
    Who the heck actually killed Joffrey?

    Lady Olenna seemed to have the best access to him, but Littlefinger's claims made it seem like there were two separate murder plots?

    FULL EXPLANATION SPOILER

    littlefinger made a deal with the Tyrels when he visited them before the battle of the black water (S2, Ep9)

    he would promise margery to be queen, but admit that joff would make a terrible husband and king. So he planned with dontos (his pawn) to get it done

    watch s4 1 and 2 again. dontos makes up a story about a necklace he gives Sansa. Earlier, the queen of throrns threw this necklace off a balacony

    then watch during the wedding, lady olenna comes to sansa to talk about marriage, she gently brushes Sansas neck. Afterwards, a gem on the left most side of Sansas necklace is missing

    someone (either Tyrion or joff, i forget) puts down Joffs goblet on the table with Lady Olenna. You never see her put it in, but its obvious she crushed up the gem, sprinkled some of the stranger into the cup

    so both little finger and olenna did

    its weird in the show cause Margery is seemingly NOT aware of it. Like, what if she took a sip of Joffs cup?! Good plan grandma. In the books Margery is full aware of joffs impending doom

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    THESPOOKYTHESPOOKY papa! Registered User regular
    edited January 2015
    fRAWRst wrote: »
    the show really did that fight justice! They even upped the gruesome-ness
    like talisa getting baby stabbed in 3.09

    also this comic is awesome and is pretty much a 1 to 1 of how its described in books

    https://mccomseycomix.wordpress.com/2013/06/26/the-red-viper-vs-the-mountain-that-rides-a-12-page-comic/

    This comic's art style reminds me of

    Kill Six Billion Demons

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    VeldrinVeldrin Sham bam bamina Registered User regular
    fRAWRst wrote: »
    Veldrin wrote: »
    Ok, something I'm not really clear on in season 4
    Who the heck actually killed Joffrey?

    Lady Olenna seemed to have the best access to him, but Littlefinger's claims made it seem like there were two separate murder plots?

    FULL EXPLANATION SPOILER

    littlefinger made a deal with the Tyrels when he visited them before the battle of the black water (S2, Ep9)

    he would promise margery to be queen, but admit that joff would make a terrible husband and king. So he planned with dontos (his pawn) to get it done

    watch s4 1 and 2 again. dontos makes up a story about a necklace he gives Sansa. Earlier, the queen of throrns threw this necklace off a balacony

    then watch during the wedding, lady olenna comes to sansa to talk about marriage, she gently brushes Sansas neck. Afterwards, a gem on the left most side of Sansas necklace is missing

    someone (either Tyrion or joff, i forget) puts down Joffs goblet on the table with Lady Olenna. You never see her put it in, but its obvious she crushed up the gem, sprinkled some of the stranger into the cup

    so both little finger and olenna did

    its weird in the show cause Margery is seemingly NOT aware of it. Like, what if she took a sip of Joffs cup?! Good plan grandma. In the books Margery is full aware of joffs impending doom

    Oh wow yeah, most of that must have just gone straight over my head. Good work, show.

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    Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
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    AtomicTofuAtomicTofu She's a straight-up supervillain, yo Registered User regular
    Oh good, more time to put off reading the last two books

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    ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    edited January 2015
    fRAWRst wrote: »
    Veldrin wrote: »
    Ok, something I'm not really clear on in season 4
    Who the heck actually killed Joffrey?

    Lady Olenna seemed to have the best access to him, but Littlefinger's claims made it seem like there were two separate murder plots?

    FULL EXPLANATION SPOILER

    littlefinger made a deal with the Tyrels when he visited them before the battle of the black water (S2, Ep9)

    he would promise margery to be queen, but admit that joff would make a terrible husband and king. So he planned with dontos (his pawn) to get it done

    watch s4 1 and 2 again. dontos makes up a story about a necklace he gives Sansa. Earlier, the queen of throrns threw this necklace off a balacony

    then watch during the wedding, lady olenna comes to sansa to talk about marriage, she gently brushes Sansas neck. Afterwards, a gem on the left most side of Sansas necklace is missing

    someone (either Tyrion or joff, i forget) puts down Joffs goblet on the table with Lady Olenna. You never see her put it in, but its obvious she crushed up the gem, sprinkled some of the stranger into the cup

    so both little finger and olenna did

    its weird in the show cause Margery is seemingly NOT aware of it. Like, what if she took a sip of Joffs cup?! Good plan grandma. In the books Margery is full aware of joffs impending doom

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofQ6i9I1IYY

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    SkeithSkeith Registered User regular
    Mr. G wrote: »

    Well, at least a Dunk and Egg collection is coming out.

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    fRAWRstfRAWRst The Seas Call The Mad AnswerRegistered User regular
    the tWoW quote is taken slightly out of context

    his editor basically said, I have not heard about him finishing this year

    this is juxtaposed with the fact that he has gone back to his old style of writing (pre affc and adwd) where he submits only huge chunks of the books. for affc and adwd it was much smaller chunks which alot were edited heavily as the book progressed

    apparently he hasnt submitted anything since march 2013, where he stated he was "a quarter way done"

    2 years later would have one think atleast half the book is done. and most seem to suspect a march 2016 release

    but who knows, right

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    SyphonBlueSyphonBlue The studying beaver That beaver sure loves studying!Registered User regular
    fRAWRst wrote: »
    varys "who said anything about him"

    lots of people are taking it as show runners jab to book readers, aegon is cut. most likey it is tyrion asking about backing stannis

    Varys is clearly for Aegon at the end of aDwD, this streamlining may have huge repercussions for books since it seems like Varys is backing Dany

    verrrrrrry interesting

    It'd make me so happy if the show just excises him because it is the absolute dumbest thing in the entire series

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    Theodore FlooseveltTheodore Floosevelt proud parent of eight beautiful girls and shalmelo dorne (which is currently being ruled by a woman (awesome role model for my daughters)) #dornedadRegistered User regular
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    fRAWRst wrote: »
    varys "who said anything about him"

    lots of people are taking it as show runners jab to book readers, aegon is cut. most likey it is tyrion asking about backing stannis

    Varys is clearly for Aegon at the end of aDwD, this streamlining may have huge repercussions for books since it seems like Varys is backing Dany

    verrrrrrry interesting

    It'd make me so happy if the show just excises him because it is the absolute dumbest thing in the entire series

    i think i would maybe agree with this only if

    (all books)
    he turned out to just be literally aegon and not a blackfyre/imposter

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    SyphonBlueSyphonBlue The studying beaver That beaver sure loves studying!Registered User regular
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    fRAWRst wrote: »
    varys "who said anything about him"

    lots of people are taking it as show runners jab to book readers, aegon is cut. most likey it is tyrion asking about backing stannis

    Varys is clearly for Aegon at the end of aDwD, this streamlining may have huge repercussions for books since it seems like Varys is backing Dany

    verrrrrrry interesting

    It'd make me so happy if the show just excises him because it is the absolute dumbest thing in the entire series

    i think i would maybe agree with this only if

    (all books)
    he turned out to just be literally aegon and not a blackfyre/imposter

    Either way I hate it and it's completely unnecessary at this point in the game

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    Theodore FlooseveltTheodore Floosevelt proud parent of eight beautiful girls and shalmelo dorne (which is currently being ruled by a woman (awesome role model for my daughters)) #dornedadRegistered User regular
    well i certainly wouldn't argue its necessity (not that i think anyone could even if they were so inclined to, only having just been introduced to it)

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    MalReynoldsMalReynolds The Hunter S Thompson of incredibly mild medicines Registered User regular
    fRAWRst wrote: »
    the tWoW quote is taken slightly out of context

    his editor basically said, I have not heard about him finishing this year

    this is juxtaposed with the fact that he has gone back to his old style of writing (pre affc and adwd) where he submits only huge chunks of the books. for affc and adwd it was much smaller chunks which alot were edited heavily as the book progressed

    apparently he hasnt submitted anything since march 2013, where he stated he was "a quarter way done"

    2 years later would have one think atleast half the book is done. and most seem to suspect a march 2016 release

    but who knows, right

    Like, I ain't mad

    but that doesn't mean that another year long delay isn't going to kill a shitton of interest in sticking this through to the end

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    PsykomaPsykoma Registered User regular
    I'm going to the imax screening tonight!
    Managed to avoid the trailer so far...
    The spoiler links are so tempting

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    BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    I like Griff, it's probably not something the show needs to explore but in terms of the books that's not the storyline that needs to be cut back imo.

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    Peter EbelPeter Ebel CopenhagenRegistered User regular
    I hope that guy doesn't go the trip that ends with the thing. Also, where is Darkstar???

    Fuck off and die.
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    fRAWRstfRAWRst The Seas Call The Mad AnswerRegistered User regular
    edited January 2015
    A "darkstar like" character has been cast, something along the lines of a "beautiful warrior who does amazing things on top of a horse".

    i never liked Darkstar, or the Dorne plot all the much. If he is in, hopefully he isnt as stupid/cartoonish

    Lack of Aegon may ruin the tourney at Ashford marriage theory, which I loved very much.

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    fRAWRstfRAWRst The Seas Call The Mad AnswerRegistered User regular
    oooh, hbo released official version on facebook

    https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152715877082734

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    AtomicTofuAtomicTofu She's a straight-up supervillain, yo Registered User regular
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    AtomicTofuAtomicTofu She's a straight-up supervillain, yo Registered User regular
    edited January 2015
    ghooosted

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