Not surprising. There's bound to be new players who haven't put in points yet in their ships and put into matches with those who have and/or groups that queued in together, simply because no one thought to set up separate matching for ship-levels in the GSF Group Finder.
I get that there will be lots of new players running around (example: me), but it seems like the matches are pretty consistently lopsided; i.e. one team has a pile of obviously new two-ship players, and the other team has 4+ players with full hangars
I guess what must be happening is that people are dropping in groups and therefore aren't being split up by the matchmaker, but it kind of stinks.
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ShadowenSnores in the morningLoserdomRegistered Userregular
Well my install got fucked somehow and I've been trying to get the repair tool to do what it was designed to do and fucking fix it. It tries to install the patch, "an error occurred updating", I hit repair, it does three goddamn repair scans (each slower than the last), goes through the repairing progress bar at least twice, says it's fixed, goes back to installing the patch, "an error occurred updating", repeat until it just hangs there with no visible progress or change for about ten minutes, I get frustrated and close the launcher (I can't X out, but I don't need the task manager, just the progress bar), repeat until eight hours later I'm back where I started.
Because that's just what I wanted to do with my day. And uninstalling and redownloading the client and reinstalling the whole fucking game is what I wanted to do for the next two.
I mean, it's entirely possible it happened because of something wrong on my computer or something that I did, but on the other hand, nothing else on my computer is working wrong, a new patch dropped today and I didn't have any problems until it tried to put the new patch in. HMMM.
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I've had to reinstall the entire game when I aborted a patch.
I'm sure SWTOR's patcher is a lot better then the PC one for Defiance. Lord that thing is touchy. Went from having to install a 15 minute one to 9 hours thanks to having to prematurely close the launcher.
Looks like they fixed some of the resolution issues with drop down menus. Kept getting a stupid bug when I tried to look at various emotes, but the bottom couple would display below the edge of my screen.
So glad they fixed that.
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ShadowenSnores in the morningLoserdomRegistered Userregular
Reinstall finished. What do you know, works like a charm.
And my Powertech is so happy I made Champion in the Section X rep and can ditch that stupid fucking 162 chestpiece with the stupid fucking shoulder spike. What the fuck is that? Is that supposed to be some sort of comm tower?
Reinstall finished. What do you know, works like a charm.
And my Powertech is so happy I made Champion in the Section X rep and can ditch that stupid fucking 162 chestpiece with the stupid fucking shoulder spike. What the fuck is that? Is that supposed to be some sort of comm tower?
Oh Lord, I knoooooow! My PT-BH has one of those comm-tower chestpieces too. I gotta grind up some S-X rep if just to get rid of it.
Are both Vanguard DPS trees melee? I'd like to play one as a ranged character, am I limited to tanking then? That would be fine, my Guardian is currently DPS.
All Vanguard trees are melee, tanking included. Assault can be played fairly effectively at midrange (10m instead of 4m) but that's pretty much the extent.
I thought there was such a thing as ranged tanking. No?
Edit: I just hate the cannon and basically pick the classes I play based on the weapons they use.
As a Vanguard you have some ranged skills, but there really isn't such a thing as ranged tanking in general because 1) the thing you're tanking comes to your face, so it's not like you can get range on most things and 2) Most of your skills are limited to 4 - 10m anyway, so even in cases where the boss is stationary you can't get much out of melee range. Your basic attack is 30 m of course, but you can't get threat with that.
Not really... I mean, if you need to get out of dodge for a few seconds once in a while you'll be in better shape than say a Guardian tank, but almost all of your big threat abilities are at most 10m.
PT/VG have a perception problem. I have people in operations, more than once, insisting on PT/VG being ranged (tank/dps).
You know ... since they have ranged attacks.
Marauders and Guardians can throw their lightsables, but no one's calling them "ranged"!
Though it's worth remembering that of all the tanks the VG/PT are the "most" ranged, since they can "place" their AoE taunt far away, unlike 'sin/Shadow and Jugg/Guardian who all have their AoE taunt go out from them selves at the center.
So PT/VG tanks can tank multiple ranged enemies from afar ... but they still do most of their attacks/threat/debuffs/etc. up close.
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ShadowenSnores in the morningLoserdomRegistered Userregular
It's a flavor thing, I think. "I have a gun! Therefore I am ranged!"
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There are SO MANY people who really think they can tank at range with a VG. Sitting there hammer shotting away and taunting whenever and thinking that's tanking.
No dude
Just, no
I will pull aggro from you in 2 GCDs no matter the class or the spec or the gear.
I have honestly run into level 55 VG "tanks" who after trying to show them their error, tell me "I never bought stock strike, I'm ranged"
(/*_*)/ ^ _i__i_
First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKERS
the game does a poor job of teaching players how mechanics work in general; it's just most obvious on powertech/vanguards.
I've had the experience multiple times of zoning into an HM with somebody who's trying to 'tank' using hammer shot, full auto and mortar blast. And it's just like... there is too much education that needs to happen here for me to do it at the start of a flashpoint
hold your head high soldier, it ain't over yet
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
I have honestly run into level 55 VG "tanks" who after trying to show them their error, tell me "I never bought stock strike, I'm ranged"
OMG, that's horrifying.
I think that beats the tank who was trying to claim that Endurance stacking was a perfectly valid choice and that he had no problem tanking content on his HP heavy tank. When I looked at his achievements, the highest Op he had cleared was HM KP.
I mean, it's a real shame about that. I want to be ranged. It's kind of a bummer that those trees all reference Stock strike sooooo much. It's not a fun or interesting ability.
Granted: the bounty hunter shoryuken is 10,000% cooler than stockstrike. But that's true for most Imperial classes I find. Lightning >>>>> Rocks, etc. The exception is Scoundrel, because shotguns + punching > stab + stab2 + stab3...
But there are some fucking abysmal people playing, let me tell you
pre-2.0 I had a Guardian tank who refused to use Sundering Strike, even after I informed him it was necessary to keep his Focus up. "I only use it to DPS" was the explanation. Naturally he was always out of focus and couldn't hold aggro for shit. I commandotanked that FP.
DPS-specced Vanguard who queued as a tank and thought turning on Ion Cell was good enough for a hard mode. Nope.avi, commandotanked that one too.
Shadows who, upon being instructed to "CC this target" use a 6 second whirlwind instead of the stealth mez
Consulars who spam their fucking knockback as if it's a damage skill (because on Tython, it IS) blowing everything out of range of the group's real, actual AOEs
Guys telling me they can totally CC those turrets in HM Mando Raiders, despite the huge fuckoff "CC immunity" buff
It's a good thing I can play this game one-handed because I spend a lot of time facepalming, is what I'm saying.
First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKERS
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CambiataCommander ShepardThe likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered Userregular
I have honestly run into level 55 VG "tanks" who after trying to show them their error, tell me "I never bought stock strike, I'm ranged"
OMG, that's horrifying.
I think that beats the tank who was trying to claim that Endurance stacking was a perfectly valid choice and that he had no problem tanking content on his HP heavy tank. When I looked at his achievements, the highest Op he had cleared was HM KP.
Two things I have a hard time convincing mediocre tanks of:
1) You should never sacrifice mitigation for HP
2) Placing a guard on healers is not going to drop their threat enough to keep enemies from attacking them. If you want to use guard as a threat drop, put it on DPS. If you just want to use it as straight damage reduction, that's pretty much the only reason to put it on a healer.
On Vanguard though I will fully admit that I'm bad on it. I need to read up. I'm a master at getting threat on guardian (and I even parse pretty high damage for a tank), but vanguard is just... I do use stock strike, and the electro conal thing, especially when the speed version procs, but I mainly just don't know how to keep my ammo up.
I'm also much less experienced with VG compared to the other two tanks but I've found that you should use ion blast as little as possible to keep the debuff up because it sucks ammo like mad, save energy blast for when you dip below optimal regen, and abuse the hell out of shoulder cannon.
It's still annoying since on the other two tanks you pretty much never need to worry about resources as long as you're getting hit enough.
First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKERS
I have honestly run into level 55 VG "tanks" who after trying to show them their error, tell me "I never bought stock strike, I'm ranged"
OMG, that's horrifying.
I think that beats the tank who was trying to claim that Endurance stacking was a perfectly valid choice and that he had no problem tanking content on his HP heavy tank. When I looked at his achievements, the highest Op he had cleared was HM KP.
Two things I have a hard time convincing mediocre tanks of:
1) You should never sacrifice mitigation for HP
2) Placing a guard on healers is not going to drop their threat enough to keep enemies from attacking them. If you want to use guard as a threat drop, put it on DPS. If you just want to use it as straight damage reduction, that's pretty much the only reason to put it on a healer.
On Vanguard though I will fully admit that I'm bad on it. I need to read up. I'm a master at getting threat on guardian (and I even parse pretty high damage for a tank), but vanguard is just... I do use stock strike, and the electro conal thing, especially when the speed version procs, but I mainly just don't know how to keep my ammo up.
I've tanked with all three, and honestly I think juggs makes tanking easiest. Assassin tanking is fun, but it's touchy and if the group is not cooperating (marauders leaping ahead of you, as you do not have a leap) it gets painful.
Vanguard is kind of in between. Pretty great aoes and you have great openers for tanking, but you don't have the same level of "oh shit" buttons as the juggernaut.
CambiataCommander ShepardThe likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered Userregular
It's vindication for the early days of guardian tanking. When the game was launched, guardian tanks were so squishy that you were better off going up to the top of the vigilance tree and only taking a few skills in defense. It was a year at least before they addressed the survivability problems for guardians.
my limited experience on my powertech is basically that you just tank your heat to round everything up, then fill with shots while everything dies (taunt big things if necessary.) I only really settled into a rotation on single target stuff
hold your head high soldier, it ain't over yet
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
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ShadowenSnores in the morningLoserdomRegistered Userregular
Dropped 600 coins to unlock Miraluka and then made a Smuggler, who I plan to take along the Sharpshooter Gunslinger path. I would have gone Marksmanship Snpier, but I already have one of those.
because iz blind /joke
And in my head? He's not the crazy run-and-duck-behind-cover "FUCK FUCK FUCK" of other smugglers. Because he's Miraluka. He's calm, he's in control, and also he has a 360-degree field of "vision" that can see through solid objects and has a range that would make Daredevil jealous. His style would most resemble gun kata. He would also tend not wear a visor, using the ignorance and superstition of spacers and the eyeless depressions where the eyes would be on a human to intimidate people.
I can't believe it took me so long to realize this, maybe it's because I've only meleed, but there are no real pure ranged tanking classes because mobs in this game don't have a ranged & melee set up like they did in KOTOR? In the old games they would shoot at you and switch to a melee weapon when you got close to them. I just realized that mobs don't do that in this game.
Dropped 600 coins to unlock Miraluka and then made a Smuggler, who I plan to take along the Sharpshooter Gunslinger path. I would have gone Marksmanship Snpier, but I already have one of those.
because iz blind /joke
And in my head? He's not the crazy run-and-duck-behind-cover "FUCK FUCK FUCK" of other smugglers. Because he's Miraluka. He's calm, he's in control, and also he has a 360-degree field of "vision" that can see through solid objects and has a range that would make Daredevil jealous. His style would most resemble gun kata. He would also tend not wear a visor, using the ignorance and superstition of spacers and the eyeless depressions where the eyes would be on a human to intimidate people.
I can't believe it took me so long to realize this, maybe it's because I've only meleed, but there are no real pure ranged tanking classes because mobs in this game don't have a ranged & melee set up like they did in KOTOR? In the old games they would shoot at you and switch to a melee weapon when you got close to them. I just realized that mobs don't do that in this game.
Some do.
But it's rare enough that you'll notice when it happens.
Yeah enemy AI isn't really the game's strongpoint. Although, I guess they have improved it some since launch. I was fighting some wild animals on Makeb, and it was the first time I noticed that the packs would form a circle around me so that I couldn't target everything at once with my flamethrower. Thought it was kinda funny that a pack of wild dogs had a better grasp of tactics than literally every soldier and jedi I had ever fought.
The circling thing is mostly just that, for targeting reasons, they don't want monsters 'on top' of one another. So they end up surrounding the player so they can both remain in melee range as well as be targeting with the cursor
yeah, the humanoid npcs will do it too, if you pull enough of them
hold your head high soldier, it ain't over yet
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
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ShadowenSnores in the morningLoserdomRegistered Userregular
Man, Voss is already better as a Smuggler than almost any other class. My female scoundrel tries to flirt with a Voss and there's no reaction. Like, she's been shut down before, but she at least got a reaction, if a negative one.
The planet quest on Voss is hilarious when you start out on a Smuggler though.
Here ambassador, this man is an example of an individual in the Republic can hope to achieve. This wanted criminal.
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ShadowenSnores in the morningLoserdomRegistered Userregular
edited May 2014
Which, in fact, is another reason why I like Voss as a smuggler: there is literally no story reason for you to do the world quest chain.
Well, there's one (that bit of foreshadowing all the classes get), but otherwise...
I'm doing it anyway because levels, but the point stands.
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I guess what must be happening is that people are dropping in groups and therefore aren't being split up by the matchmaker, but it kind of stinks.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
Because that's just what I wanted to do with my day. And uninstalling and redownloading the client and reinstalling the whole fucking game is what I wanted to do for the next two.
I mean, it's entirely possible it happened because of something wrong on my computer or something that I did, but on the other hand, nothing else on my computer is working wrong, a new patch dropped today and I didn't have any problems until it tried to put the new patch in. HMMM.
So...yeah, that's what you probably have to do.
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So glad they fixed that.
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Let's Play Final Fantasy 'II' (Ch10 - 5/17/10)
And my Powertech is so happy I made Champion in the Section X rep and can ditch that stupid fucking 162 chestpiece with the stupid fucking shoulder spike. What the fuck is that? Is that supposed to be some sort of comm tower?
Oh Lord, I knoooooow! My PT-BH has one of those comm-tower chestpieces too. I gotta grind up some S-X rep if just to get rid of it.
Let's Play Final Fantasy 'II' (Ch10 - 5/17/10)
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Edit: I just hate the cannon and basically pick the classes I play based on the weapons they use.
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Shiny Code: 3837
As a Vanguard you have some ranged skills, but there really isn't such a thing as ranged tanking in general because 1) the thing you're tanking comes to your face, so it's not like you can get range on most things and 2) Most of your skills are limited to 4 - 10m anyway, so even in cases where the boss is stationary you can't get much out of melee range. Your basic attack is 30 m of course, but you can't get threat with that.
You know ... since they have ranged attacks.
Marauders and Guardians can throw their lightsables, but no one's calling them "ranged"!
Though it's worth remembering that of all the tanks the VG/PT are the "most" ranged, since they can "place" their AoE taunt far away, unlike 'sin/Shadow and Jugg/Guardian who all have their AoE taunt go out from them selves at the center.
So PT/VG tanks can tank multiple ranged enemies from afar ... but they still do most of their attacks/threat/debuffs/etc. up close.
If this community believes that hating someone based soley upon their gender is acceptable and understandable, I have no interest in being a part of it.
If this community believes that hating someone based soley upon their gender is acceptable and understandable, I have no interest in being a part of it.
No dude
Just, no
I will pull aggro from you in 2 GCDs no matter the class or the spec or the gear.
I have honestly run into level 55 VG "tanks" who after trying to show them their error, tell me "I never bought stock strike, I'm ranged"
(/*_*)/ ^ _i__i_
I've had the experience multiple times of zoning into an HM with somebody who's trying to 'tank' using hammer shot, full auto and mortar blast. And it's just like... there is too much education that needs to happen here for me to do it at the start of a flashpoint
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
OMG, that's horrifying.
I think that beats the tank who was trying to claim that Endurance stacking was a perfectly valid choice and that he had no problem tanking content on his HP heavy tank. When I looked at his achievements, the highest Op he had cleared was HM KP.
3DS FC: 5086-1134-6451
Shiny Code: 3837
But there are some fucking abysmal people playing, let me tell you
pre-2.0 I had a Guardian tank who refused to use Sundering Strike, even after I informed him it was necessary to keep his Focus up. "I only use it to DPS" was the explanation. Naturally he was always out of focus and couldn't hold aggro for shit. I commandotanked that FP.
DPS-specced Vanguard who queued as a tank and thought turning on Ion Cell was good enough for a hard mode. Nope.avi, commandotanked that one too.
Shadows who, upon being instructed to "CC this target" use a 6 second whirlwind instead of the stealth mez
Consulars who spam their fucking knockback as if it's a damage skill (because on Tython, it IS) blowing everything out of range of the group's real, actual AOEs
Guys telling me they can totally CC those turrets in HM Mando Raiders, despite the huge fuckoff "CC immunity" buff
It's a good thing I can play this game one-handed because I spend a lot of time facepalming, is what I'm saying.
Two things I have a hard time convincing mediocre tanks of:
1) You should never sacrifice mitigation for HP
2) Placing a guard on healers is not going to drop their threat enough to keep enemies from attacking them. If you want to use guard as a threat drop, put it on DPS. If you just want to use it as straight damage reduction, that's pretty much the only reason to put it on a healer.
On Vanguard though I will fully admit that I'm bad on it. I need to read up. I'm a master at getting threat on guardian (and I even parse pretty high damage for a tank), but vanguard is just... I do use stock strike, and the electro conal thing, especially when the speed version procs, but I mainly just don't know how to keep my ammo up.
It's still annoying since on the other two tanks you pretty much never need to worry about resources as long as you're getting hit enough.
I've tanked with all three, and honestly I think juggs makes tanking easiest. Assassin tanking is fun, but it's touchy and if the group is not cooperating (marauders leaping ahead of you, as you do not have a leap) it gets painful.
Vanguard is kind of in between. Pretty great aoes and you have great openers for tanking, but you don't have the same level of "oh shit" buttons as the juggernaut.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
because iz blind /joke
And in my head? He's not the crazy run-and-duck-behind-cover "FUCK FUCK FUCK" of other smugglers. Because he's Miraluka. He's calm, he's in control, and also he has a 360-degree field of "vision" that can see through solid objects and has a range that would make Daredevil jealous. His style would most resemble gun kata. He would also tend not wear a visor, using the ignorance and superstition of spacers and the eyeless depressions where the eyes would be on a human to intimidate people.
3DS FC: 5086-1134-6451
Shiny Code: 3837
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Some do.
But it's rare enough that you'll notice when it happens.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
If this community believes that hating someone based soley upon their gender is acceptable and understandable, I have no interest in being a part of it.
Well, there's one (that bit of foreshadowing all the classes get), but otherwise...
I'm doing it anyway because levels, but the point stands.
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