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24: Legacy doesn't think it needs Jack Bauer

Kid PresentableKid Presentable Registered User regular
edited May 2016 in Debate and/or Discourse
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SPOILERS FOR PAST SEASONS

Flip over a table, grab due process by the throat and slam it up against the wall: Jack Bauer's back, for some reason!

Meet the world's greatest counter-terrorist agent, the one man willing to shoot the rule of law in the kneecap and shove a towel down protocol's throat so he can rip out the stomach lining of injustice.

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Wait, wrong decade.

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Kiefer Sutherland plays Jack Bauer, a man who somehow finds himself in the position of being the only one willing to do what it takes (usually torture a guy, which always works) to stop the ever-escalating threat of assorted terrorism based attacks. Over and over and over again. He also tends to forcefully ask people where a lot of things are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9DijlVkIGA

Hyper serialized, turbo-dramatic, uncomfortably torture-tastic, Fox brought '24' to television in November 2001 with a unique "real-time" framing. Each season of the show takes place over one consecutive twenty-four hour period, with interconnecting plots weaving together in real-time. Definitely a unique conceit that leads to some great overwrought dramatic tension as Jack is constantly racing against the clock. The show tended to mix its "Die Hard, but without any wise-cracks or levity whatsoever" action with "House of Cards" style political intrigue with a heavy dose of personal drama. The Vice President couldn't possibly be the one behind these attacks, could he? Wrong. Well, right that one time, but then a different time wrong because it was actually the actual President. Well, there were also some other bad guys pulling his strings, too. Ridiculous twists and a constant escalation of who was really behind the evil schemes became a hallmark of the show, along with a brazen and sometimes shocking willingness to knock off main characters.

Now after four years of being off the air, '24' is back on MONDAY, MAY 5th for a 12 hour mini-series event! There had been lots of talk about making a '24' movie after the show went off the air, but it looks like this is what we're getting instead. Although its only 12 hours, apparently Live Another Day is going to remain true to the real-time format but with the possibility of jumping forward in case there's an hour or two here and there where the only thing happening is Kim Bauer being chased by a random cougar.
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Let's talk about the ridiculousness of past seasons out in the open, but start spoiling current episodes when the show starts.

What was everybody's favorite twist? What was the most shocking character death? What was your favorite of Jack's 270 confirmed on screen kills? Is Tony Almeida gonna come back to upgrade his quadruple-cross heel turn into some sort of octo-cross? Will we find out what on earth is going on with Chloe's hair in all the Live Another Day promotional material? Will Jack kill somebody whilst sliding across the ground this season?

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  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    edited April 2014
    will someone get eaten by wolves?
    so excite bike

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    I fucking love 24. I don't care how dumb it gets, how silly the action scenes are... it's glorious. And I'm really looking forward to seeing how this 12 hour format changes things. It feels like they'll be able to have a bit more creative freedom by not being roped into the standard 22-24 episode season.

    Which a lot of shows could use, really.

  • Kid PresentableKid Presentable Registered User regular
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    I fucking love 24. I don't care how dumb it gets, how silly the action scenes are... it's glorious. And I'm really looking forward to seeing how this 12 hour format changes things. It feels like they'll be able to have a bit more creative freedom by not being roped into the standard 22-24 episode season.

    Which a lot of shows could use, really.

    During a recent background-noise re-watch of the show, I couldn't help noticing just how much filler there was, especially in the earlier seasons. Trimming things down has the potential to do a lot of good for the pacing.

    The show is definitely something of a "guilty pleasure" of mine. It is dumb and silly, but they play it so straight that it ends up being a lot of fun. There's also some serious nostalgia factored in, as I was in high school when this show came on and always got together with a group of friends every week to revel in the ridiculousness.

    The other day I was re-watching a Season 7 episode. Some hitman or something (doesn't matter) chased Jack into a construction site. Jack somehow made it appear (to his pursuer and to the audience) as if he had taken refuge inside a trailer (those mobile ones that they use for "offices" on construction sites), so the bad guy busted in and started shooting up all the hiding places. Out of nowhere, cut to Jack Bauer outside in a bulldozer. Ah ha! He was in a bulldozer the whole time! He flips the trailer! Bad guy tumbles around, finally climbs out of a busted window on the "top" of the flipped trailer. Surprise, Jack's on the blade of the bulldozer now! Kick to the face!

    Then I think he broke the guy's neck or something, probably.

  • NocrenNocren Lt Futz, Back in Action North CarolinaRegistered User regular
    I never got to watch past season/Day 2 because I was going to play the ps2 game (which took place between 2 and 3) and never got around to it, so I never watched day

    Though I did like the first season because it started at midnight where he stayed up playing chess with his daughter then shit happens and the dude is like running on no sleep...

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  • RchanenRchanen Registered User regular
    Reminds me. I have to watch La Femme Nikita again.

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    I'll watch this, I hope they dumped the right wing wank job that used to write for the show...

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • Johnny ChopsockyJohnny Chopsocky Scootaloo! We have to cook! Grillin' HaysenburgersRegistered User regular
    edited April 2014
    I wonder if they'll ever top the single best moment in the show. You know the one.

    http://youtu.be/S-iDguioxV8

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    Why is Chloe all goth rock in that promotional picture?

  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    I fucking love 24. I don't care how dumb it gets, how silly the action scenes are... it's glorious. And I'm really looking forward to seeing how this 12 hour format changes things. It feels like they'll be able to have a bit more creative freedom by not being roped into the standard 22-24 episode season.

    Which a lot of shows could use, really.

    During a recent background-noise re-watch of the show, I couldn't help noticing just how much filler there was, especially in the earlier seasons. Trimming things down has the potential to do a lot of good for the pacing.

    The show is definitely something of a "guilty pleasure" of mine. It is dumb and silly, but they play it so straight that it ends up being a lot of fun. There's also some serious nostalgia factored in, as I was in high school when this show came on and always got together with a group of friends every week to revel in the ridiculousness.

    The other day I was re-watching a Season 7 episode. Some hitman or something (doesn't matter) chased Jack into a construction site. Jack somehow made it appear (to his pursuer and to the audience) as if he had taken refuge inside a trailer (those mobile ones that they use for "offices" on construction sites), so the bad guy busted in and started shooting up all the hiding places. Out of nowhere, cut to Jack Bauer outside in a bulldozer. Ah ha! He was in a bulldozer the whole time! He flips the trailer! Bad guy tumbles around, finally climbs out of a busted window on the "top" of the flipped trailer. Surprise, Jack's on the blade of the bulldozer now! Kick to the face!

    Then I think he broke the guy's neck or something, probably.

    Oh I have no shame in my amusement for this show, and that scene in particular was funny as hell to me.

    I refer to season 7 as the video-game-plot season. Because really, everything that happens in that season is just that quality of writing. If I wasn't able to make that association I probably wouldn't have cared for it at all. But it was just like METAL GEAR SERIOUSNESS all over the place, so good. Which is especially funny because I also like to think of Jack Bauer as the Solid Snake of homeland security.

    The first season I saw of this show was 4, and for a while it was my favorite because I watched the show in order from then on. Then I looped back to 1 (holy crap that season sucked for the first half), and when I got to season 3 I realized it was the best.

  • C2BC2B SwitzerlandRegistered User regular
    So

    Considering we only have 12 hours I expect AT LEAST a mole every two episodes.

  • ShadowhopeShadowhope Baa. Registered User regular
    Henroid wrote: »
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    I fucking love 24. I don't care how dumb it gets, h8ow silly the action scenes are... it's glorious. And I'm really looking forward to seeing how this 12 hour format changes things. It feels like they'll be able to have a bit more creative freedom by not being roped into the standard 22-24 episode season.

    Which a lot of shows could use, really.

    During a recent background-noise re-watch of the show, I couldn't help noticing just how much filler there was, especially in the earlier seasons. Trimming things down has the potential to do a lot of good for the pacing.

    The show is definitely something of a "guilty pleasure" of mine. It is dumb and silly, but they play it so straight that it ends up being a lot of fun. There's also some serious nostalgia factored in, as I was in high school when this show came on and always got together with a group of friends every week to revel in the ridiculousness.

    The other day I was re-watching a Season 7 episode. Some hitman or something (doesn't matter) chased Jack into a construction site. Jack somehow made it appear (to his pursuer and to the audience) as if he had taken refuge inside a trailer (those mobile ones that they use for "offices" on construction sites), so the bad guy busted in and started shooting up all the hiding places. Out of nowhere, cut to Jack Bauer outside in a bulldozer. Ah ha! He was in a bulldozer the whole time! He flips the trailer! Bad guy tumbles around, finally climbs out of a busted window on the "top" of the flipped trailer. Surprise, Jack's on the blade of the bulldozer now! Kick to the face!

    Then I think he broke the guy's neck or something, probably.

    Oh I have no shame in my amusement for this show, and that scene in particular was funny as hell to me.

    I refer to season 7 as the video-game-plot season. Because really, everything that happens in that season is just that quality of writing. If I wasn't able to make that association I probably wouldn't have cared for it at all. But it was just like METAL GEAR SERIOUSNESS all over the place, so good. Which is especially funny because I also like to think of Jack Bauer as the Solid Snake of homeland security.

    The first season I saw of this show was 4, and for a while it was my favorite because I watched the show in order from then on. Then I looped back to 1 (holy crap that season sucked for the first half), and when I got to season 3 I realized it was the best.

    All that I've seen of 24 was the first six episodes of season 1. I thought it was not for me - it just bored me to tears. Where would you suggest starting?

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  • Kid PresentableKid Presentable Registered User regular
    edited April 2014
    mcdermott wrote: »
    Shit. Meant to watch Season 8 before this happened. Not happening in a week, though.

    I loved the good, the bad, and the ugly of 24. Slowly but sure it went downhill, got more and more outlandish, and I loved it still. It was Season 7 that finally got me. It was funny, because Tony coming back from the dead for a quadruple-cross? Fine. African commandos led by Candyman taking over the White House? Sure. Evil defense contractors blackmailing the president using chemical missiles? I'll buy it. Jack gets hit with a biological agent, adding a new ticking clock in addition to the old ticking clock? Why not. On and on it went (and some of those may be off, it's been years), the most ridiculous season of 24 yet, and still I was on board.

    Then Kim showed back up. Click. Done. Never even finished the season. That was a bridge too far.

    Kim was in the airport waiting to get on a plane to head back home, after Jack declined her generous offer of some stem-cells to maybe cure his biological weapon sickness. She very astutely notices somebody suspicious, a shady fella who appears to be following her. Good for her, she's learned to be a little paranoid; not a bad thing, when you're Jack Bauer's daughter. So she finds a nice friendly couple to socialize with, to make sure she's not alone and to ask them to keep a discrete eye on the suspicious guy. Turns out, the suspicious guy is an FBI agent that is keeping a discrete eye on Kim to make sure she's safe, at Jack's request.

    Phew! Crisis adverted!

    But wait! The non-assuming couple that she was using as public-cover turns out to be actual bad guys! The husband murders the FBI agent in the bathroom! They secretly record a live-streaming video of Kim, and the bad guys tell Jack that he has to turn himself in so the bad guys can extract the bio-weapon out of his stem cells and make more bio-weapon (duh), or else Kim is going to be killed! Not again! The FBI finds out about this, or something, and they put in a clandestine phone-call that alerts Kim to the danger she's in. Kim plays it cool. Backup is en route.

    Airport security to the rescue! Bad Guy #1 starts shooting good guys! Bad Lady grabs Kim and puts a gun to her head! Damnit! Its okay though, Kim has a knife in her pocket and totally stabs that lady who then gets shot by security. Great job, Kim! Bad Guy #1 shoots and kills the last standing security guy and then runs away.

    What does Kim do? Kim chases after him! Somehow this choice results in the guy being caught as Kim is able to identify his location in time for more backup to get there. He's trying to drive away, gets shot I guess and for some reason his car flips over and catches on fire and could explode at any second. What does Kim do? She's gotta save that laptop the guy was using to transmit the video of her, because Kim doesn't take no shit anymore!

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    Sure, yes, Kim gets lit on fire of course but just a little bit, and she saves the evidence and the FBI is able to use that to track Jack's location and ultimately save the day!



    Stem cells!

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  • Kid PresentableKid Presentable Registered User regular
    Shadowhope wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    I fucking love 24. I don't care how dumb it gets, h8ow silly the action scenes are... it's glorious. And I'm really looking forward to seeing how this 12 hour format changes things. It feels like they'll be able to have a bit more creative freedom by not being roped into the standard 22-24 episode season.

    Which a lot of shows could use, really.

    During a recent background-noise re-watch of the show, I couldn't help noticing just how much filler there was, especially in the earlier seasons. Trimming things down has the potential to do a lot of good for the pacing.

    The show is definitely something of a "guilty pleasure" of mine. It is dumb and silly, but they play it so straight that it ends up being a lot of fun. There's also some serious nostalgia factored in, as I was in high school when this show came on and always got together with a group of friends every week to revel in the ridiculousness.

    The other day I was re-watching a Season 7 episode. Some hitman or something (doesn't matter) chased Jack into a construction site. Jack somehow made it appear (to his pursuer and to the audience) as if he had taken refuge inside a trailer (those mobile ones that they use for "offices" on construction sites), so the bad guy busted in and started shooting up all the hiding places. Out of nowhere, cut to Jack Bauer outside in a bulldozer. Ah ha! He was in a bulldozer the whole time! He flips the trailer! Bad guy tumbles around, finally climbs out of a busted window on the "top" of the flipped trailer. Surprise, Jack's on the blade of the bulldozer now! Kick to the face!

    Then I think he broke the guy's neck or something, probably.

    Oh I have no shame in my amusement for this show, and that scene in particular was funny as hell to me.

    I refer to season 7 as the video-game-plot season. Because really, everything that happens in that season is just that quality of writing. If I wasn't able to make that association I probably wouldn't have cared for it at all. But it was just like METAL GEAR SERIOUSNESS all over the place, so good. Which is especially funny because I also like to think of Jack Bauer as the Solid Snake of homeland security.

    The first season I saw of this show was 4, and for a while it was my favorite because I watched the show in order from then on. Then I looped back to 1 (holy crap that season sucked for the first half), and when I got to season 3 I realized it was the best.

    All that I've seen of 24 was the first six episodes of season 1. I thought it was not for me - it just bored me to tears. Where would you suggest starting?

    The first half of season one definitely has some terrible pacing, although it gets a little better towards the end with a brief period of "oh my god who wrote this" when Teri Bauer gets amnesia for four hours and she and Kim get kidnapped and re-kidnapped like three times. There are some really major things that happen in Season One that are relevant in Season Two and beyond, but you could just read the Wikipedia summary of the plot and jump ahead to the Season Two if you want.

  • Captain TragedyCaptain Tragedy Registered User regular
    edited April 2014
    It was a different show in Season 1: the show was originally conceived, and the pilot and first half of Season 1 was written (and somewhat shot) pre-9/11, and it was set up almost more as a spy show with much more deliberate, slow pacing. S1 was more a convoluted revenge plot against Bauer and other characters rather than focused on the national terrorism threat angle.

    From Season 2 on, it became "Jack Bauer stops 9/11 over and over again".

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Is Kim going to be chased by a cougar in this one?

  • Kid PresentableKid Presentable Registered User regular
    Kim vs. the Cougar: The Oral History of 24’s Most Infamous Scene

    Some excerpts, but the whole piece is worth a read.
    Cuthbert: When you’re working with animals, you have to be introduced to the animal before you get in to work with the animal. And like I said, I was suffering from a pretty bad flu at the time. I remember asking the director if I could skip the cat intro and just go to my trailer and sleep. And he said, “You know what, it’s mandatory that you just introduce yourself.”

    Cuthbert: Either something in the woods spooked it and I happened to be in front of the cat, or maybe it was because I was so ill. Maybe it sensed that I was weak. Nothing would have provoked it. I have no idea why it decided to bite me but it definitely did.

    Barker: It bled like crazy and they had to take her to the hospital.

    Cuthbert: I didn’t come back to the set until the next day and then they decided they were just going to film some B-roll of the cat and cut it in, so that I would not have to actually interact with it anymore.

    Cuthbert: I think the reason people didn’t like it was because it was never executed the way it was supposed to be. Because of the incident happening on set and us not being able to film what we needed to film. If you look back and watch the episode, you can see that we’re never in the same frame. It was, cut to the cat, cut back to me.

    Cuthbert: It kind of came across like, what is this? This is sort of insignificant and kind of stupid.

  • Johnny ChopsockyJohnny Chopsocky Scootaloo! We have to cook! Grillin' HaysenburgersRegistered User regular
    I used to be down on Cuthbert, but then I saw her in Happy Endings and all was absolutely forgiven.

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  • TheBlackWindTheBlackWind Registered User regular
    Damn it, cat, you had one job.

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Damn it, cat, you had one job.

    Technically it was doing it's job. A little bit too well.

  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    It needed the blood to get a handle on its motivations for the scene.

  • Kid PresentableKid Presentable Registered User regular
    edited May 2014
    I'm finishing up my re-watch, at the tail end of Season 8. Jack needed the name of who somebody was working for. Standard stuff. So Jack just tortured this guy for like 25 minutes, and for once, perhaps literally the first time ever, the torture wasn't working.

    So then Jack decided to just check the guy's cell-phone for the call log and just get the information from that instead.

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    I'm finishing up my re-watch, at the tail end of Season 8. Jack needed the name of who somebody was working for. Standard stuff. So Jack just tortured this guy for like 25 minutes, and for once, perhaps literally the first time ever, the torture wasn't working.

    So then Jack decided to just check the guy's cell-phone for the call log and just get the information from that instead.

    Holy shit.

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Arrow actually had the best interrogation scene ever recently when the hacker lady started emptying a dudes accounts to get him to talk. Brilliant!

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Arrow actually had the best interrogation scene ever recently when the hacker lady started emptying a dudes accounts to get him to talk. Brilliant!

    They should have worn masks and not used their names in front of him, though.

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Well they probably shot him in the head off camera. I mean Diggle is Black Bauer.

    I'm excited for this coming on monday! Though I'm sad I'll have to watch fox and the 800 billion american idol and that horrible fake prince harry show.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Pretty sure that scene wasn't bad because Cuthbert and Cat didn't share any shots. It was bad because it was a stupid fucking plot element.

    Anyway, I really dug season one, even in the beginning for the most part. (Though I recall there was some oddly gratuitous lesbian sub-subplot that was always accompanied by super-skeezy music, and some generally poor editing in general.) I didn't make it through S7 and didn't even try S8, but I'm willing to give this new one a shot, if only because there won't be anything else on TV for awhile once AoS wraps up.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    You should watch surviving Jack, its hilarious.

    But yeah after Arrow, fargo, and castle goes off the air there won't be shit for me to watch anyway. Maybe some Play off basketball... HAHAHAHAHAHA

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    I'm finishing up my re-watch, at the tail end of Season 8. Jack needed the name of who somebody was working for. Standard stuff. So Jack just tortured this guy for like 25 minutes, and for once, perhaps literally the first time ever, the torture wasn't working.

    So then Jack decided to just check the guy's cell-phone for the call log and just get the information from that instead.

    That was actually one of the more brutal torture scenes in the show. Keep in mind though Jack was fueled with vengeance so he was just going to fuck the guy up anyway.

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Oh yeah that russian ambassador murder. Yeah he wasn't torturing for info, he was doing it out of vengeance. As I recall he only checked the phone because Logan called the guy and that lead to the skull armor showdown.

    I remember they didn't even show Jack take out his security, just they were all dead.

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    BTW about Cuthbert.

    Kim Bauer was annoying. BUT. She's purdy. I'm glad they tried to make her capable at one point but it feels like they gave up on the character. Especially in seasons 4 and 5.

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Honestly it was the smarter move, no one cares about Jack's anything that isn't Jack. To be honest Chloe bugs me at times as well.

    The only bff for jack that was my favorite was Tony, because he became such a fuck up in season 4, and that was great. I mean like Jack went all beardy but he was still on the grid, Tony was in full fuck off loser mode.

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    This thread is lacking in DAMN ITs by the way.

  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    Henroid wrote: »
    This thread is lacking in DAMN ITs by the way.

    We need to fix that. WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME!

  • DiplominatorDiplominator Hardcore Porg Registered User regular
    I hope that once this show starts we get a tiny Jack Bauer face for a DAMN IT icon.

  • CabezoneCabezone Registered User regular
    Also, this thread brought to you by FORD....the only brand of car Jack drives. At least in the first few seasons. POV?...Ford....company vehicle?...Ford....steal a Toyota?....gonna say Ford before he drives it off.

  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    You should watch surviving Jack, its hilarious.

    But yeah after Arrow, fargo, and castle goes off the air there won't be shit for me to watch anyway. Maybe some Play off basketball... HAHAHAHAHAHA

    Watch Hannibal, Grimm, Turn and Continuum.

  • SnorkSnork word Jamaica Plain, MARegistered User regular
    I couldn't bring myself to watch this show after season... 6? 7? Whichever one started with Jack coming back from three years in China or whatever. I remember I was reading the thread here and watching it at the same time and everyone was keeping a running log of how many guys Jack killed in the episode, and after the first five minutes the thread just went fucking apeshit. He killed the first dude of the season with a JUGULAR BITE
    that's almost all i remember about this show, aside from having to look at president logan's stupid face FAR too often

  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited May 2014
    Chloe's hair is the bomb

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    I hope that once this show starts we get a tiny Jack Bauer face for a DAMN IT icon.

    It's what'll come after Hail Hydra. Right @IcyLiquid ? <_<

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