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[PS Vita] New thread, new Soul to Sacrifice

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  • ReynoldsReynolds Gone Fishin'Registered User regular
    Don't remind me, ugh.

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  • Darth_MogsDarth_Mogs Registered User regular
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    I have so little interest in a Playstation Phone, it's not even funny.

    Why? The ideal result, to me, is a device that wouldn't be a slouch as a phone or a gaming device and wouldn't require you to use either one or the other (having no SIM card would be an option and so on). It could have a dual OS, with Android as one (letting you download apps and so on) and a dedicated gaming OS as the other (so that games aren't limited by Java and all of Google's high level APIs). It would, of course, require SCE and Sony Mobile to not fuck it up but this is obviously all theoretical.

    It'd be a smart move in Japan, because while the handheld market may still be alive there (unlike the dead console market), the mobile market is fucking booming. And it'd have a far better chance of finding an audience outside of Japan than a dedicated handheld ever would.

    But hey, you could have the alternative instead: No Sony handheld ever again.

    It would be well and good if you could buy a theoretical Playstation Phone and never not once ever need to use it as a phone or deal with the nonsense that comes with owning a smartphone. That'd be great.

    There's a zero chance in hell of that happening if they go that route.

    First off, they're not going to run Dual OS, because they're not going to want Android anywhere near it because Jailbreaking is a Feature™, and dipping into that could very well lead to PSP 2.0: This time it's (even more) personal unless there is literally no way to access one thing from the other. Which means it's going to be a cobbled-together OS, which means it's a separate cert/platform which means it'll only see app releases on it if it's successful and even then only some of them.

    Second, it's a matter of market penetration. Would something branded as a Playstation Phone, complete with Vita+ graphics and games of that magnitude, but also the ability to make calls and run this app and that app sell well in Japan? Maybe! The Playstation brand is still pretty strong in Japan. In the rest of the world it really doesn't matter all that much, because if you want a Gaming Handheld, apparently you need to run in Nintendo's direction, and if you want a smartphone, you need to run in Apple's direction. A hybrid device doesn't have much appeal to existing people with such devices because they already have such devices and are likely stuck in that.

    People with the latest iPhone are probably going to want the even more latest one, and people with a Galaxy or Droid or Evo or whatever are probably going to keep that route. Hell, even people with Xperias likely won't go with it unless they make -that- the 'latest' Xperia, but even then, phones are expected to be updated a lot more often than dedicated gaming devices and that's a problem unless you're Nintendo apparently, and you see fit to throw in a better CPU and a nub for some reason. I just don't see how it could be marketed to make people -want- it, because people who want a phone generally think about the phone-side stuff first, and games a distant second. I really don't get how it would have an easier time finding an audience.

    Finally, the issue of price. Phones are expensive. The Vita was expensive. Slap those together and you're going to get something expensive. This is going to exacerbate every single issue with it that's already been stated, while being one on its own standing. That's notwithstanding accessories and memory, because if Sony would go with proprietary memory for it again in a further attempt to keep it secure (which is only going to work for so long) it's going to be dead in the water just that easy. Of course, going with standard memory makes that, you know, easier to have things go down the route they don't want, meaning it's a no-win situation.

    Believe me. I want to live in a world where there's a Vita successor. I want that a lot. I just don't see it happening, and slapping a phone on it isn't going to make it anymore likely.

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  • chocoboliciouschocobolicious Registered User regular
    People said the exact same thing about the PSP.

    I just don't think people understand how cost efficient it is to make a handheld that has a steady base. It's brand awareness. It gives publishers and developers a lower cost place to release games. Sony literally has to do fuck all but look at the OS code every few months, poke a few strings around and release an 'update'.

    Anything else is fucking gravy. Vita is already in profitable land. It literally just makes them money without any input.

    As long as there is a remote chance of that happening a third time (Which considering how the PSP fared before, leading into the vita, thats highly likely.) I'm sure they'll double down on it. Everything they learned from the vita and from making newer phones can be used to make a new handheld.

    Also, yes, cell business in japan is booming. Has been since like the 90s. They've always had weird cellphone games. There isn't as much audience overlap as you'd really seem to think.

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  • Darth_MogsDarth_Mogs Registered User regular
    edited August 2014
    There's a difference, though. At least with the PSP, Sony first party studios outside of Japan were working with the thing. I mean, God of War: Ghost of Sparta came out just -months- before the Vita was unveiled for the first time (as the NGP). That was five years after the PSP was announced.

    We're two and a half years into the Vita, and SCEA/SCEE have literally said they're not going to put out anything 'big' on it anymore. Which basically means Shahid's team grabbing Indies and nothing else.

    In the short term? That's fine. We already have the Vita, the games that -are- coming to it are great, it's good stuff. Could be better, but still.

    That absolutely will not sell a new system. And it'll be one of many obstacles for a theoretical third system, hybrid or not, because it might launch with some shiny games from major IPs or something, but the perception will be "Well, as soon as it doesn't sell bucketloads in the first year, they're going to give up on it again".

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  • bssbss Brostoyevsky Madison, WIRegistered User regular
    The word "literally" literally ain't what it used to be.

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  • LD50LD50 Registered User regular
    Well, for me at least, one of the best features of the 3ds and vita are that they are not phones. Gaming on any device runs down the battery life like mad, and I don't like gaming on my phone because I like to keep it charged.

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    bss wrote: »
    The word "literally" literally ain't what it used to be.

    It literally isn't.

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  • chocoboliciouschocobolicious Registered User regular
    edited August 2014
    I don't think your common gamer is even aware of who makes the games half the time.

    Unless it's a big Nintendo IP or someone really well known like Bungie, I don't think anyone is running out because 'OMG SONY SANTA MONICA IS MAKING A NEW GAME!'

    They really aren't.

    First party support isn't all its cracked up to be, gamewise. The last five or so years of the PSPs life was basically LocoRoco, some shitty sports games, a few ports and the God of War stuff. (Oh, and I guess secret agent clank?) anything else 'Sony' put out was basically just publishing already developed stuff from other studios. I think 2007? was the last year they actually tried to release anything of merit by themselves.

    Three years later, without Sony releasing much of anything, the system had sold some odd 7m+ units in addition to what had already been sold? Yep, gotta have that first party support.

    I mean damn look at all those systems movers they've already made for the Vita! Like Toukiden! Borderlands 2! FFX/X2!

    ..wait, no, nevermind, Sony didn't make any of those.

    As long as Sony keeps grabbing games for the system, which they seem more then willing to do, their actual first party support pretty much means dick all. Didn't during the PSP, doesn't now.

    Would it be nice? Sure, whatever, I could use another multi-million dollar flop like Golden Abyss. I'd rather Sony piss away money on making handheld games they obviously have no clue how to actually build. Instead of simply supporting studios who do know what they are doing.

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  • bssbss Brostoyevsky Madison, WIRegistered User regular
    Every time someone, today, buys a Vita for their interest in a half-dozen indies or some JRPGs or whatever, it punches a little hole in the argument that first-party AAA games are the end-all be-all. Whether or not that's sufficient justification for another console is unknowable, but if you want to know what a handheld looks like without AAA, well, it's right here. This, now, is a world where some outlandishly unexpected niche Japanese stuff is getting localized on Vita, and a world where Western indies are stumbling over themselves to get stuff released on Vita because of the attach rate.

    And, frankly, what does that mean for the future? Practically nothing. Folks trying to predict what Sony will do are doing so in the intersection of two of the most volatile technology markets --- video games and mobile devices. I can't even tell you what I think a mobile device looks like five years from now, let alone which manufacturer is dominant or what games people are developing or which game is getting all the awards thrown at them or if the AAA model just bottoms out entirely or if the App Store finally becomes a place where games can sell at $20 or anything. None of that is a thing I can even pretend to predict, which is why I immediately find this conversation so infuriating. It's not because of a blind love for Sony or Vita or anything, it's because we are inherently uninformed in a way beyond Sony's interpretation of events, with the supposition that right now Sony's interpretation of events is probably still a bunch of current Vita financials (again, at a layer deeper than what we see or even could see) and some monstrosity of a document trying to build a business case navigating a market that has changed so significantly since the Vita was imagined.

    So that's why I throw my hands up at this conversation. It's fun to think about but impossible to predict. So I'm just going to excuse myself from the thread for a bit and play some games.

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  • The WolfmanThe Wolfman Registered User regular
    For every person that goes "I'm totally buying a Vita for Danganronpa and Persona!", there are probably 5 people going "The fuck is a danga what what?" and passes the game and system by because the box art looks like some kiddy anime crap.

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  • ZiggymonZiggymon Registered User regular
    For every person that goes "I'm totally buying a Vita for Danganronpa and Persona!", there are probably 5 people going "The fuck is a danga what what?" and passes the game and system by because the box art looks like some kiddy anime crap.

    There are other issues such as multi platform titles on the Vita end up being wither straight ports of the 3DS version or cut down ports as to not eat into home console versions, that do put off most people. However, looking at most game stores, the other games in the vita sections are filled with nothing else but bright coloured anime looking titles. So I can see some truth in that.

    The other issue people are having is that all the great indie titles are download only and most stores in the UK these days struggle to stock any memory cards for the vita anymore.

  • The WolfmanThe Wolfman Registered User regular
    As a point in favour for the Vita, at least people are still releasing games for it. The worst thing would be to get a repeat of the PSP. Putting aside the piracy issue for a sec (even though it had a direct effect on the following bit), most everybody eventually stopped localizing for it because the sales sucked. Half Minute Hero was fucking awesome. Announcing that you're not bringing over HMH2 because it won't make any money fucking sucked (thank god for Steam!). Say what you want about S-E, but even they knew Final Fantasy was a lost cause on the system.

    Being a bastion for indie and niche games is all fine and dandy. So long as you're totally willing to accept that place in the market, and the level of profits it brings. History has shown though that very few companies are willing though. :(

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  • anoffdayanoffday To be changed whenever Anoffday gets around to it. Registered User regular
    Anyone know where I can get a cheap replacement charger for my vita? The USB cord sucks for charging. Super slow and apparently the system has to be off.

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  • bssbss Brostoyevsky Madison, WIRegistered User regular
    anoffday wrote: »
    Anyone know where I can get a cheap replacement charger for my vita? The USB cord sucks for charging. Super slow and apparently the system has to be off.

    If you already have a USB cable from Sony all you really need is this: http://www.amazon.com/PlayStation-Vita-AC-Adaptor/dp/B006JKARVW

    The reason charging over USB is slow/only while off is because the Vita wants to pull 1.5A and that's beyond the USB spec --- unless you're using a port designed for charging devices, your average USB port is probably not putting out any more than 1.0A. If you need to charge on the go without a wall outlet, I recommend the portable charger, which is also a nice backup power source for phones and whatnot when traveling: http://www.amazon.com/PS-Vita-Portable-Charger-Sony/dp/B006JKARP8

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  • anoffdayanoffday To be changed whenever Anoffday gets around to it. Registered User regular
    edited August 2014
    Ok thanks.

    Another question. I found a cheap psp go, but is it worth it to buy it at this point? I know they were never really that popular, and I imagine even less so now.

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  • Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User regular
    anoffday wrote: »
    Ok thanks.

    Another question. I found a cheap psp go, but is it worth it to buy it at this point? I know they were never really that popular, and I imagine even less so now.
    If you like playing PSP games with a DUALSHOCK controller, it's a nice buy. I think it's the only PSP model that has this feature. You might be better off waiting for a PlayStation Vita TV, though.

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  • bssbss Brostoyevsky Madison, WIRegistered User regular
    anoffday wrote: »
    Ok thanks.

    Another question. I found a cheap psp go, but is it worth it to buy it at this point? I know they were never really that popular, and I imagine even less so now.

    Hmm, forgot about the DS part Hahnsoo1 just mentioned, but otherwise, since the Go can't read UMDs, you're talking about 0 to maybe 5 (I forget the actual list) PSN PSP games that aren't Vita compatible that the Go will let you play, otherwise it's a redundant device. If you want to get a PSP on the cheap, look for something that plays UMDs.

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  • chocoboliciouschocobolicious Registered User regular
    As a point in favour for the Vita, at least people are still releasing games for it. The worst thing would be to get a repeat of the PSP. Putting aside the piracy issue for a sec (even though it had a direct effect on the following bit), most everybody eventually stopped localizing for it because the sales sucked. Half Minute Hero was fucking awesome. Announcing that you're not bringing over HMH2 because it won't make any money fucking sucked (thank god for Steam!). Say what you want about S-E, but even they knew Final Fantasy was a lost cause on the system.

    Being a bastion for indie and niche games is all fine and dandy. So long as you're totally willing to accept that place in the market, and the level of profits it brings. History has shown though that very few companies are willing though. :(

    If by 'Very few' you mean "Every company but EA, Ubisoft and Activision" then I completely agree with you.

    Every other developer/publisher in existence doesn't seem to have a problem with it, though.

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  • QuiotuQuiotu Registered User regular
    As a point in favour for the Vita, at least people are still releasing games for it. The worst thing would be to get a repeat of the PSP. Putting aside the piracy issue for a sec (even though it had a direct effect on the following bit), most everybody eventually stopped localizing for it because the sales sucked. Half Minute Hero was fucking awesome. Announcing that you're not bringing over HMH2 because it won't make any money fucking sucked (thank god for Steam!). Say what you want about S-E, but even they knew Final Fantasy was a lost cause on the system.

    Being a bastion for indie and niche games is all fine and dandy. So long as you're totally willing to accept that place in the market, and the level of profits it brings. History has shown though that very few companies are willing though. :(

    If by 'Very few' you mean "Every company but EA, Ubisoft and Activision" then I completely agree with you.

    Every other developer/publisher in existence doesn't seem to have a problem with it, though.

    Well, basically it's most publishers that make portable games. Those three don't really make portable games, they mostly make mobile games. I'll say this again, Western publishers aside from indie ones just don't understand how to make a profitable portable game. They either spend too much and it's a failure from the start, or spend too little and make a pile of shit no one wants... and sometimes it's BOTH, spending too much and making a pile of shit no one wants.

    Japan's publishers however have made a killing working with the area's lust for portables, and they have it down to a science. They even figured out how to make Vita games right away while everyone else tried reinventing the wheel. They saw the Vita and went 'huh, the power of the device and the gimmicks are adorable... alright, let's start making DS games for it'. And that's all they did; there's literally no difference for Japan when developing for either, other than you have to compensate for an extra screen for one and two analog sticks for the other. Japanese games don't come close to using all the resources or space on the Vita, and it doesn't fucking have to. THAT is what makes JRPGs and indie games so prevalent on Vita, they understand it's not a race to make the shiniest turd. Just make it fun.

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  • chocoboliciouschocobolicious Registered User regular
    Dynasty warriors next was a really fun Vita game at launch. Still pretty great but 8 is better.

    Still, I'd say they did a good job of pushing the Vita. Same with soul sacrifice.

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  • bssbss Brostoyevsky Madison, WIRegistered User regular
    Okay, there is one actual legitimate gripe I have with Re;Birth1 --- am I missing something or is there no list to know where items can be gathered/what monsters drop them? I have a bunch of quests and plans that I would work on if I just had some idea of where to find the stuff, but it doesn't seem to be listed anywhere.

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  • DonnictonDonnicton Registered User regular
    bss wrote: »
    Okay, there is one actual legitimate gripe I have with Re;Birth1 --- am I missing something or is there no list to know where items can be gathered/what monsters drop them? I have a bunch of quests and plans that I would work on if I just had some idea of where to find the stuff, but it doesn't seem to be listed anywhere.

    Nepedia -> Dungeon List/Monster List.

    There's no way to look by specific item, but you can search a list of monsters. Note that you have to have received the drop from a monster at least once to get it to catalogue.

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  • bssbss Brostoyevsky Madison, WIRegistered User regular
    I somehow managed to associate the Nepedia with only the Help topics and everything else escaped my memory. Thanks!

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  • ChanceChance Registered User regular
    Ugh I'm still not done with Rogue Legacy and Velocity 2X and Don't Starve drop in 2 days! What's a boy to do?

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  • StragintStragint Do Not Gift Always DeclinesRegistered User regular
    I want Tuesday to come around arleady. I want Dangaronpa

    Thinking of clearing some more space from my memory card. I already deleted Gravity Rush, Sine Mora, and Mega Man X (pretty sure that was it). Debating on Monster Hunter Freedom United, God's Eater Burst, and Jet Set Radio.

    I really like God's Eater Burst but I feel like all I can do at this point is farm. I also need a refresher on the story.

    Jet Set Radio is a lot of fun and I really like the music but the controls are kind of ass and it is hard to navigate certain areas.

    I never really got into Monster Hunter and I don't think I ever will.

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  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    Vita thread, are there any good Western RPGs for the Vita? I've got plenty of good games for it, but I'm in the mood for a really good Western RPG. And being on the vita means I'm more likely to have time to play it :P

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  • chocoboliciouschocobolicious Registered User regular
    edited September 2014
    Nope.

    Edit: well I guess realistically dungeon crawlers are western RPGs. But besides that, nope.

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  • bssbss Brostoyevsky Madison, WIRegistered User regular
    edited September 2014
    Depending on your interpretation of Western gameplay I might suggest the Wizardry-style gridders on PSP and Vita, even the ones that have a Japanese look. But if you're talking Baldur's Gate or Dragon Age or Elder Scrolls, I can't think of anything immediately.

    Edit: or maybe the roguelikes/Mystery Dungeon-ish games, but that's stretching it even further probably.

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  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    Yeah, I couldn't think of any either, that's why I asked :(

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  • vagrant_windsvagrant_winds Overworked Mysterious Eldritch Horror Hunter XX Registered User regular
    kime wrote: »
    Vita thread, are there any good Western RPGs for the Vita? I've got plenty of good games for it, but I'm in the mood for a really good Western RPG. And being on the vita means I'm more likely to have time to play it :P

    Wait for Cosmic Star Heroine for a western developed one, though in JRPG style.

    Full on Western RPGs are like 90% on the PC, with occasional inferior console ports.

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  • baudattitudebaudattitude Registered User regular
    There was a Dungeon Siege for the PSP. I don't know anything about it or whether it's on the PSN store or um.

    anything really.

    But in the sense of it sharing the same name as a series of western RPGs it does.

  • ChanceChance Registered User regular
    SCEJA conference! Let's hope there's some awesome Vita news.

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  • Professor SnugglesworthProfessor Snugglesworth Registered User regular
    Ooh, Vita themes with music.

  • ChanceChance Registered User regular
    • Way of the Samurai
    • Phantasy Star Nova (by tri-Ace)
    • a new Dynasty Warriors
    • an RPG from Marvelous called Luminous Arc Infinity

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  • bssbss Brostoyevsky Madison, WIRegistered User regular
    edited September 2014
    * Some rhythm game called DeeMo
    * Gundam Breaker 2
    * More otome games
    * Laser-etched Vitas starting with a Danganronpa design
    * Something that looked like it might have been a Freedom Wars expansion (?) nope, it flew by and I missed the title, it was The Irregular at Magic High School: Out of Order
    * At least one gridder I didn't recognize (?)
    * At least one other rhythm game
    * Some neat-looking indie-ish game called TorqueL where you change your geometric shapes to platform through an area
    * Me weeping uncontrollably every time I see any footage of PS Nova

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  • bssbss Brostoyevsky Madison, WIRegistered User regular
    * Some sort of Cross-Play feature with Yakuza Zero.
    * God Eater 2: Rage Burst for Vita and PS4

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  • ChanceChance Registered User regular
    Yeah I'm hoping they mean a Vita port and not just remote play (Yakuza Zero).

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  • ChanceChance Registered User regular
    Yeah I'm hoping they mean a Vita port and not just remote play (Yakuza Zero).

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  • DehumanizedDehumanized Registered User regular
    i cleared 3/4 of the rogue legacy optional bosses today

    feels pretty good, just gotta get better at executing neo ponce

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