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[sysadmins] - International Brotherhood of Neckbeards and Mouthbreathers Local 258
It is 2015 and I just sat in an hour long meeting where most of it was talking about how to handle faxing.
It is 2015.
You don't work for one of those dream vacation companies do you?
Construction. So lots of big legal documents and work orders, etc. Some of that has to be fax based on the customer/vendor. and you'd be surprised how many resumes from seasonal worker applications that HR gets as faxes.
I'd wager that we could probably eliminate 56-60% of the fax volume with better systems/services, but there are some things we can't get away from.
It is 2015 and I just sat in an hour long meeting where most of it was talking about how to handle faxing.
It is 2015.
You don't work for one of those dream vacation companies do you?
Construction. So lots of big legal documents and work orders, etc. Some of that has to be fax based on the customer/vendor. and you'd be surprised how many resumes from seasonal worker applications that HR gets as faxes.
I'd wager that we could probably eliminate 56-60% of the fax volume with better systems/services, but there are some things we can't get away from.
Construction duders are notoriously technology adverse. The best way would be online applications, but all the carpenters and shit I know are still using flip cell phones.
I GIS'd for an iphone communicator case, but it's pretty strictly cases with the communicator look printed on the back, not an actual working flip. That was very disappointing. I had higher expectations of you, internet.
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TL DRNot at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered Userregular
One of my old supervisors at UPS asked me if I was quitting when I went home after my shift. The belt I worked on usually got slammed in the last hour. MY shift ended at 10:00. 10:00 rolled around and it was time to punch out but there was still a ton of work because of how they unloaded the trucks.
So I clocked out and walked away. He stopped and asked me if I was quitting.
"No, I'm going home."
"There's still work to do."
"Yeah and I have class tomorrow morning at 6:00 and I'd like to be awake."
"So you're quitting then."
"No, but you can address this up with my union rep if you want."
Unions are great. Everyone should be part of a union.
This is a classic Shitty Job trap - if they get you to say something like "I guess so" then they've successfully avoided firing you, which is relevant for unemployment.
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TL DRNot at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered Userregular
The entire theory and purpose of a union is beyond fantastic. How some unions totally abuse the power that they have totally goes against what unions were originally intended to be used for. And when you get fucked because job A has to stop because union B says Union A cannot install the glass, so that becomes job B, but because job B was just created, you now have to wait for union B to finally get around to doing job B days later, then union A can finish job B, so now everything is totally behind schedule... ugh, man, shit like that makes you feel like they're all in cahoots to squeeze as much possible out of everyone else, despite what it will do to anyone else.
There are times when I feel like there should be unions created to protect against other unions. I've seen some dark sides of union shit. It mostly pisses me off because of the abuse of power.
Most amusing (cause it wasn't me) union story I ever heard was a friend of mine who worked for a staging company, setting up stages and lighting and shit for concerts. At one gig, there were two gaggles of union workers to unload all the shit from the trucks. Union A's contract stated they were to move the equipment to the top of the ramp inside the truck. Union B's contract stated they were to move the equipment from the bottom of the ramp outside the truck to the stage area.
Nobody's contract covered the actual ramp itself. Everyone refused to do it because if they happened to get hurt moving equipment on the ramp, their union wouldn't cover their medical claim.
Still, would you want to do work if it meant you could hurt your back or legs and you'd have to pay out of pocket to get it looked at (their health insurance wouldn't cover it).
A lot of us would hem and haw, some of us would eventually do it because we're a bunch of push overs.
If a company delivered a server box that weight 100 lbs and it said "team lift" on it, would you lift it yourself when everyone was out that day?
I mean, I would because I'm a thoroughly-muscled hulk of a nerd, but I understand your point.
Speaking of job creep, aren't you supposed to be a dev? Get outta here! You're taking a sysadmin's job! Put down that Active Directory this instant!
The entire theory and purpose of a union is beyond fantastic. How some unions totally abuse the power that they have totally goes against what unions were originally intended to be used for. And when you get fucked because job A has to stop because union B says Union A cannot install the glass, so that becomes job B, but because job B was just created, you now have to wait for union B to finally get around to doing job B days later, then union A can finish job B, so now everything is totally behind schedule... ugh, man, shit like that makes you feel like they're all in cahoots to squeeze as much possible out of everyone else, despite what it will do to anyone else.
There are times when I feel like there should be unions created to protect against other unions. I've seen some dark sides of union shit. It mostly pisses me off because of the abuse of power.
I feel the exact same way about unions. I was part of one for a number of years and it did save my ass once. But then I go back to the story of my mom. She worked in a school. They bought a new dishwasher for the staff room to repalce a busted one. It took 5 people from 3 different unions over 4 weeks to install it, and the charge to the school was 2.5x the cost of the dishwasher. They needed the carpenter, electrician, plumber and QA for both removing the old one and installing the new one. The next year some library shelves were bought. The work order was open for 4 months. The poor librarian was organizing books on the floor from september-november because they'd call the union every week about it and were brushed off, saying it wasn't high priority. Finally one weekend 3 teachers went in and put up the shelves (probably better than the union guys would have anyway) and sure as shit the union carpenters showed up on the following Tuesday with the work order. The union filed a grievance against the school and it became a big fight.
Unions are, in theory, great. But when unions become bigger and more powerful than the companies the employees work for, that's a problem.
There's a reason why this is the way it is.
You needed 5 different people from 3 different unions because it required 3 different specialties, and a lot of them work with another person to speed it up (plumber and electrician mostly).
You wouldn't call a plumber to install cabinets would you?
Even though replacing a dishwasher is easy, it's not always. Back in the day they used to hard wire them instead of installing an outlet. General maintenance guy comes in and tries to put it in, realizes he can't, doesn't want to die, calls the electrician. Electrician comes out, decides they need to do it right, orders a part, has to wait a few days. So he installs the part then calls the general maintenance guy back out. Maintenance guy tries to put it in again, realizes the drain is the wrong size (pretty common issue). So he calls the plumber. Plumber comes out, realizes that he needs to fix the drain in the walls, rips the wall apart, fixes it, calls the carpenters to come out and fix the wall and paint.
4 weeks later, you've got your new dishwasher.
Don't hate the unions, they're doing it right. You should ask yourself why there isn't unions for artists and programmers and DBAs and why don't they all work like this and ask each other when shit goes wrong instead of trying to fix it themselves, fucking it up, and hiding it, and wasting more time in the end.
It's not a race, unions are just trying to do the best possible job they can.
Please forgive the bad grammar:
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Donovan PuppyfuckerA dagger in the dark isworth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered Userregular
You should ask yourself why there isn't unions for artists and programmers and DBAs and why don't they all work like this and ask each other when shit goes wrong instead of trying to fix it themselves, fucking it up, and hiding it, and wasting more time in the end.
I've grown up with my father being part of a union at Rockwell Automation for decades and my step father being a union member for most of his time in the workforce as well.
My father was nearly completely ignored by the union when he fell ill back in the 90's. His employer, despite him still being able to work between treatments, did everything they could to force him out and his union reps did jack shit but would they ever ride his ass along with everyone else when it came time to negotiate their contract and wholly expected their unwavering support for anything and everything the union said they needed. The short version is they eventually forced him out, lost his benefits and had to go with COBRA and despite promises of having the same coverage as before which would have covered a then experimental proton beam therapy that wasn't the case and the last several months of his life were spent fighting pencil pushers trying to get the treatment approved. He spent most of my time in high school sick and died from a brain tumor before he would get to see me graduate, get married or see his grandchild and the union didn't care.
My step father, union didn't go to bat for him either. Injured on the job, messed up his knees and back real good. His employers reaction to his request for a different position that didn't require as much physical work was to stick him on a machine that he had never run before and typically requires a significant amount of technical education to operate. They fired him when he couldn't get the work done and the union did not a thing. During the time he was still employed he had to battle to try and get his employer to cover his injuries while his union did nothing.
Screw unions, I'll never give any of them a dime of my money - and fortunately the guy I voted for made that an assurance now that Wisconsin is right to work state. I can't even imagine how many years behind the IT industry would be as a whole from a technology perspective or how many more security vulnerabilities we would have if unions were the norm as they have been for some other trades. I'd wager with unions in the mix holding back the employees from meaningful and productive collaboration because of union divisions that the IT landscape would look a good 10 years behind from where it is now at a minimum.
Just like every single other thing on the planet, there are good unions, and there are bad unions.
Apothe0sisHave you ever questioned the nature of your reality?Registered Userregular
edited April 2015
Gandhi was bad. He was super racist against africans, and obsessed with bowel movements and giving enemas to young women, as well as sleeping next to gaggles of young women to "test his holiness" and thought the caste system was great
You should ask yourself why there isn't unions for artists and programmers and DBAs and why don't they all work like this and ask each other when shit goes wrong instead of trying to fix it themselves, fucking it up, and hiding it, and wasting more time in the end.
I've grown up with my father being part of a union at Rockwell Automation for decades and my step father being a union member for most of his time in the workforce as well.
My father was nearly completely ignored by the union when he fell ill back in the 90's. His employer, despite him still being able to work between treatments, did everything they could to force him out and his union reps did jack shit but would they ever ride his ass along with everyone else when it came time to negotiate their contract and wholly expected their unwavering support for anything and everything the union said they needed. The short version is they eventually forced him out, lost his benefits and had to go with COBRA and despite promises of having the same coverage as before which would have covered a then experimental proton beam therapy that wasn't the case and the last several months of his life were spent fighting pencil pushers trying to get the treatment approved. He spent most of my time in high school sick and died from a brain tumor before he would get to see me graduate, get married or see his grandchild and the union didn't care.
My step father, union didn't go to bat for him either. Injured on the job, messed up his knees and back real good. His employers reaction to his request for a different position that didn't require as much physical work was to stick him on a machine that he had never run before and typically requires a significant amount of technical education to operate. They fired him when he couldn't get the work done and the union did not a thing. During the time he was still employed he had to battle to try and get his employer to cover his injuries while his union did nothing.
Screw unions, I'll never give any of them a dime of my money - and fortunately the guy I voted for made that an assurance now that Wisconsin is right to work state. I can't even imagine how many years behind the IT industry would be as a whole from a technology perspective or how many more security vulnerabilities we would have if unions were the norm as they have been for some other trades. I'd wager with unions in the mix holding back the employees from meaningful and productive collaboration because of union divisions that the IT landscape would look a good 10 years behind from where it is now at a minimum.
Just like every single other thing on the planet, there are good unions, and there are bad unions.
I once dated a sysadmin who dumped me.* So screw sysadmins, I'll never give any of them the time of day.
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Why? Because he kept selecting "boot into safe mode."
He gave me a $5 tip for saving him $50 diagnosis fee my boss would've charged.
I'm not supposed to accept tips but my boss was in Arkansas so fuck him.
XBL:Phenyhelm - 3DS:Phenyhelm
Caught that fucker lying to my current boss.
Construction. So lots of big legal documents and work orders, etc. Some of that has to be fax based on the customer/vendor. and you'd be surprised how many resumes from seasonal worker applications that HR gets as faxes.
I'd wager that we could probably eliminate 56-60% of the fax volume with better systems/services, but there are some things we can't get away from.
No arguments from me as my shits to give bucket ran out long ago. I completely understand.
XBL:Phenyhelm - 3DS:Phenyhelm
Construction duders are notoriously technology adverse. The best way would be online applications, but all the carpenters and shit I know are still using flip cell phones.
There ya go.
Most people talk into them like they're Kirk, they already look like goons.
This is a classic Shitty Job trap - if they get you to say something like "I guess so" then they've successfully avoided firing you, which is relevant for unemployment.
I mean, I would because I'm a thoroughly-muscled hulk of a nerd, but I understand your point.
Speaking of job creep, aren't you supposed to be a dev? Get outta here! You're taking a sysadmin's job! Put down that Active Directory this instant!
Please forgive the bad grammar:
Just like every single other thing on the planet, there are good unions, and there are bad unions.
Checkmate, atheists.
I once dated a sysadmin who dumped me.* So screw sysadmins, I'll never give any of them the time of day.
* NB did not actually happen.