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Also, speaking on literature and feminism you know...this gives me a very love/hate relationship with peoples in literature love of the medieval ages.
Like don't get me wrong...medieval times are cool and all but goodness if it isn't like a prime example of patriarchy, especially the way some people write it.
Reading books like that is still really useful, because going "God DAMN" when you realize Dracula is actually about a rapist and the women who are corrupted by running into him can help get the scales off your eyes in regards to modern culture
Like, their literary merit is beside the point, and I know Victorian literature =/= medieval literature
But the idea is the same. Reading old books with the right perspective can teach you a lot about where certain institutions in our society have their roots
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#pipeCocky Stride, Musky odoursPope of Chili TownRegistered Userregular
And I thought man, this dude really doesn't get it. It is super ok to call someone out for making flippant jokes based on gender, jokes in which someone being female is the premise of the joke. It is super ok to not like the word "bitch" being used to describe a weak man - because you are insulting that man by implying he's a woman.
He uses air quotes and has his own definition of "sexist" and "unsexist" and apparently if you are "unsexist" you're allowed to say and think whatever you want as long as you don't rape someone.
Nah dude, sorry. You don't get to define what feminism is. If you think someone is talking some bullshit then call them out on it, but don't try to suppress people being offended by things that offend them. You self identify as a feminist and that's awesome, but you're getting mad at people who are playing a much longer game than you and, to be fair, have a much bigger stake in the game.
There's a quote by a female author that goes something along the lines of "I sometimes hear men ask how to write women characters, which is the one element of their work they consider a weakness. My answer for them is always the same: if you cannot write women, you cannot write."
That's a bad paraphrasing
I've been trying to find the actual quote off and on again for years
Does anyone recognize it
This is something I have an issue with. Like really, I think the difficulty people have in writing people who are women or minorities stems from simply just not being able to look at that person as a person and not a token.
Like I think when it comes to writing characters maybe instead of focusing on "woman" as a character's main characteristic. Maybe figure out her other characteristics first, then add the fact that she's a woman.
To which the critique is "you're just writing a man with tits/in blackface"?
The sad thing is. I probably used to say that one point in time. The "man and tits" thing...not proud of that on retrospect.
But I thought about it. Really, the idea of what makes a man and what makes a woman is pushed on us by society.
So, when we make our own worlds we have full control over what that is. But many of us are products of our upbringing so it can be hard for us to break through that.
That said, even then maybe you do want to use your podium to show the problems one might face because of their gender/race. In that case I think you still should start off by writing the person as a person, then add in the outwardly effects the world has on that person.
THAT SAID...I think also think about that in a fantasy setting. Because I remember this one conversation this guy who works at Bioware called Manveer had at one point. And I remember how when it came to escapism/power fantasies someone who was trans I believe said that they didn't want their pain/hardships to be on display for the entertainment of others. And that's a valid point, I think when it comes to fantasy, the ability for women and minorities to be involved without being othered is very important too.
I need a non gendered insult that is short, preferably with a single syllable and has a whole lot of punch
'ass' is pretty underused
like "YOU ASS"
I've also been searching for a good short non gendered insult.
I used to say twat (where I'm from in the UK twat is to twit as shit is to poop) but it turns out some ass (hey that does work) started using it as a derogatory word for a women's vagina.
There's not a lot of my privilege that I feel, in like a noticeable a way.
Like, I'm white, so more than likely at various points in my life I benefit from white privilege. But I don't usually notice it, where it's even a factor at all do to my low socio-economic class.
But male privilege? My god is that a huge factor in my life and one I'm aware of on an almost daily basis. It's a huge part of how the world reacts to me and how I interact with the world. I think that and ability privilege are the two things I'm most keenly aware of as impacts on my life.
A lot of people feel that writing about the particular perspective of a minority character - a cultural minority more than an ethnic minority, if you will, so women count - should be more up to the representation of actual members of that minority until there's some degree of cultural normalcy and legitimacy for them
Never know how to feel about that. I was writing a plot synopsis for a book about a guy, and I stopped and thought for a minute and said "Is there any reason this person isn't a lady, outside of an ingrained tendency to have Conan-type characters be men?" Anyway that dude is no longer a dude, and I think that's probably the right choice for the character in a lot of ways, but there's also elements of their gender that I'll never be able to tackle
I started reading some feminist books my sister had laying around the house when she was in high school. That stuff was pretty transforming (and trans-formative har har), as was talking to her when I was older and we were both in college. She's da best, really.
I've been craving some good feminist and/or feminist-queer sci-fi and/or fantasy. Anyone got some good suggestions? Boneshaker is a pretty good one, IMO.
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And in keeping with my last post, here's another man of colour talking about feminism. This time the response to Anita Sarkeesian's kickstarter from a couple years back
I started reading some feminist books my sister had laying around the house when she was in high school. That stuff was pretty transforming (and trans-formative har har), as was talking to her when I was older and we were both in college. She's da best, really.
I've been craving some good feminist and/or feminist-queer sci-fi and/or fantasy. Anyone got some good suggestions? Boneshaker is a pretty good one, IMO.
You have got to read Le Guin's The Left Hand of Darkness
I only read it a few months ago, that book is tremendous in all ways
I started reading some feminist books my sister had laying around the house when she was in high school. That stuff was pretty transforming (and trans-formative har har), as was talking to her when I was older and we were both in college. She's da best, really.
I've been craving some good feminist and/or feminist-queer sci-fi and/or fantasy. Anyone got some good suggestions? Boneshaker is a pretty good one, IMO.
Heyyy try God's War: Bel Dame Apocrypha, reading it at the moment and it's good pulpy stuff. Almost entirely non white female characters
I started reading some feminist books my sister had laying around the house when she was in high school. That stuff was pretty transforming (and trans-formative har har), as was talking to her when I was older and we were both in college. She's da best, really.
I've been craving some good feminist and/or feminist-queer sci-fi and/or fantasy. Anyone got some good suggestions? Boneshaker is a pretty good one, IMO.
The Left Hand of Darkness, & The Dispossessed by Ursula Le Guin are pretty much a must for anyone interested in feminist sci-fi. She was one of the first, and easily the best.
There's not a lot of my privilege that I feel, in like a noticeable a way.
Like, I'm white, so more than likely at various points in my life I benefit from white privilege. But I don't usually notice it, where it's even a factor at all do to my low socio-economic class.
But male privilege? My god is that a huge factor in my life and one I'm aware of on an almost daily basis. It's a huge part of how the world reacts to me and how I interact with the world. I think that and ability privilege are the two things I'm most keenly aware of as impacts on my life.
I just looked this up because I thought "What the fuck is ability privilege" but reading a bit on it immediately brought to mind some issues I had when going back to college.
For one, note-taking is pretty much worthless to me, because if I'm not being given a task I don't remember a god damned thing that the teacher is saying.
Unless the material we're learning is ridiculously interesting to me, I learn almost exclusively by doing. It's the experience from doing something that teaches me, not being told how something works.
Understandably, this is not a thing that most college teachers are really equipped to accommodate, so I don't really blame them for not having what I need.
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So I was on a bit of a road trip yesterday to a bonfire. I was sitting in the back of a car with 4 other dudes, and we were in stop-and-go traffic on a two-lane highway (memorial day weekend traffic, am I right?). Anyway, at one point three of the dudes roll the windows down and start barking like dogs at women as we pass by.
What the fuck? What the fuck am I supposed to do in this situation? I don't want to know these people. I don't want to be associated with these people. But I'm stuck in a car with them and all I can muster is to say, "You guys are assholes." and all they just laugh it off. And I tell them that a woman doesn't want to be harassed in traffic like that, but they call me "Fifty-year-old Steve" (their go-to term for when I'm being a buzzkill) and nothing changes. And I'm afraid to push it any further then, because I'll be hurt in some way, and all I need to do is be congenial to these people until I graduate in November and then I never have to see any of them again if I don't want to.
It's cowardice, and I hate it. I hate that it's necessary, or that I've learned to think that it's necessary. How do I put up with bullshit from people I can't avoid without being a coward?
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daft shitter is a good one but it has to be in a very thick northern accent
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My take on writing women and minority characters is that I'll almost certainly be bad at it, at least compared to someone for whom being a member of that group is lived experience, but it's my responsibility to try my best regardless.
I've got an alt-history story I'm working on that is set partially in one of the first European colonies in Canada, and the main character's interactions with the Mi'kmaq peoples are part of that. Portraying First Nations people in a time period where our staggering mistreatment of them was just starting is very intimidating, and I've considered revising my plot to avoid having to deal with it, but I'm trying my best to stick with it, do my research, and try to write something as ethical as possible.
Oh and the main character is a woman, so I'm completely out of my comfort zone.
I'm sitting in my consumer behaviour lecture and today's its on *drum roll* gender and the lecturer has spent the entire lecture reinforcing traditional gender roles and it is making me angry.
What was worse was the 5 or 6 slides of those super sexist joke images from the internet that were floating around nearly a decade ago.
My take on writing women and minority characters is that I'll almost certainly be bad at it, at least compared to someone for whom being a member of that group is lived experience, but it's my responsibility to try my best regardless.
I've got an alt-history story I'm working on that is set partially in one of the first European colonies in Canada, and the main character's interactions with the Mi'kmaq peoples are part of that. Portraying First Nations people in a time period where our staggering mistreatment of them was just starting is very intimidating, and I've considered revising my plot to avoid having to deal with it, but I'm trying my best to stick with it, do my research, and try to write something as ethical as possible.
Oh and the main character is a woman, so I'm completely out of my comfort zone.
Have you read Orenda? It might help, a little bit. Damn good book. Won some literally prizes of late.
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There's not a lot of my privilege that I feel, in like a noticeable a way.
Like, I'm white, so more than likely at various points in my life I benefit from white privilege. But I don't usually notice it, where it's even a factor at all do to my low socio-economic class.
But male privilege? My god is that a huge factor in my life and one I'm aware of on an almost daily basis. It's a huge part of how the world reacts to me and how I interact with the world. I think that and ability privilege are the two things I'm most keenly aware of as impacts on my life.
Well, speaking on privilege. I think white privilege and male privilege work in different ways yet similar ways because of what they represent.
Racism is bad, everyone knows this and raging racist are usually villifed. So many people will make a point not to be outwardly racist. Not to mention many people tend to live in homogeneous neighborhoods, many their interactions with other races is rare outside of cosmopolitan areas. The truth of the matter is when it comes to white privilege you probably wouldn't notice it unless you weren't a white person or you were white and you ran into someone who wore their racism on their sleeve.
Sexism on the other hand is louder. Its also bad but the thing is sexist behavior has long been married to ideas of masculinity that most people probably find the behavior to be innocuous. Like people might say and do stuff and not understand the sexist undertones of it because they have been brought up to believe this is just the way things are. "Men should do this" "Women should do this" and we should just all except it. And someone who is heavily sexist might not be automatically vilified, he might just be being "One of the guys".
The thing about racism/sexism are they are both attitudes very tied to the idea of entitlement/superiority. Making them both very dangerous.
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So I was on a bit of a road trip yesterday to a bonfire. I was sitting in the back of a car with 4 other dudes, and we were in stop-and-go traffic on a two-lane highway (memorial day weekend traffic, am I right?). Anyway, at one point three of the dudes roll the windows down and start barking like dogs at women as we pass by.
What the fuck? What the fuck am I supposed to do in this situation? I don't want to know these people. I don't want to be associated with these people. But I'm stuck in a car with them and all I can muster is to say, "You guys are assholes." and all they just laugh it off. And I tell them that a woman doesn't want to be harassed in traffic like that, but they call me "Fifty-year-old Steve" (their go-to term for when I'm being a buzzkill) and nothing changes. And I'm afraid to push it any further then, because I'll be hurt in some way, and all I need to do is be congenial to these people until I graduate in November and then I never have to see any of them again if I don't want to.
It's cowardice, and I hate it. I hate that it's necessary, or that I've learned to think that it's necessary. How do I put up with bullshit from people I can't avoid without being a coward?
Pick your battles. Really, if you're outnumbered by assholes, you're just not going to win. That wasn't cowardice overwhelming you, it was common sense.
So I was on a bit of a road trip yesterday to a bonfire. I was sitting in the back of a car with 4 other dudes, and we were in stop-and-go traffic on a two-lane highway (memorial day weekend traffic, am I right?). Anyway, at one point three of the dudes roll the windows down and start barking like dogs at women as we pass by.
What the fuck? What the fuck am I supposed to do in this situation? I don't want to know these people. I don't want to be associated with these people. But I'm stuck in a car with them and all I can muster is to say, "You guys are assholes." and all they just laugh it off. And I tell them that a woman doesn't want to be harassed in traffic like that, but they call me "Fifty-year-old Steve" (their go-to term for when I'm being a buzzkill) and nothing changes. And I'm afraid to push it any further then, because I'll be hurt in some way, and all I need to do is be congenial to these people until I graduate in November and then I never have to see any of them again if I don't want to.
It's cowardice, and I hate it. I hate that it's necessary, or that I've learned to think that it's necessary. How do I put up with bullshit from people I can't avoid without being a coward?
Those guys sound like assholes
why do you need to be congenial to these people? why is it necessary?? ditch them. they're horrible. Make sure they know why you're ditching them.
edit: I mean, of course if you're in the back of a car sure. But I thought you were asking for the future. I wouldn't feel bad about it if you're trapped and outnumbered, but there's no reason to deal with them until you graduate, is there?
I started reading some feminist books my sister had laying around the house when she was in high school. That stuff was pretty transforming (and trans-formative har har), as was talking to her when I was older and we were both in college. She's da best, really.
I've been craving some good feminist and/or feminist-queer sci-fi and/or fantasy. Anyone got some good suggestions? Boneshaker is a pretty good one, IMO.
You have got to read Le Guin's The Left Hand of Darkness
I only read it a few months ago, that book is tremendous in all ways
Oh hey, another opportunity to recommend Margaret Atwood's The Handmaid's Tale
Because if you want feminist scifi, that's one of the all time greats
So I was on a bit of a road trip yesterday to a bonfire. I was sitting in the back of a car with 4 other dudes, and we were in stop-and-go traffic on a two-lane highway (memorial day weekend traffic, am I right?). Anyway, at one point three of the dudes roll the windows down and start barking like dogs at women as we pass by.
What the fuck? What the fuck am I supposed to do in this situation? I don't want to know these people. I don't want to be associated with these people. But I'm stuck in a car with them and all I can muster is to say, "You guys are assholes." and all they just laugh it off. And I tell them that a woman doesn't want to be harassed in traffic like that, but they call me "Fifty-year-old Steve" (their go-to term for when I'm being a buzzkill) and nothing changes. And I'm afraid to push it any further then, because I'll be hurt in some way, and all I need to do is be congenial to these people until I graduate in November and then I never have to see any of them again if I don't want to.
It's cowardice, and I hate it. I hate that it's necessary, or that I've learned to think that it's necessary. How do I put up with bullshit from people I can't avoid without being a coward?
Situations like these are the kind that, when I was younger, I was really blind to how privileged I was to be a strong, charismatic force of personality who either could persuade people to see how I did or just belligerently bully them into silence without giving a fuck.
It wasn't until my mid-20s that I came to understand this wasn't just a thing people could do and advice like "well just shout em down and if they're pricks, fuck em" was not useful advice for other people, even other men. This is the sort of thing I consider a form of ability privilege that I used to be ignorant of.
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DragkoniasThat Guy Who Does StuffYou Know, There. Registered Userregular
Something people need to understand about feminism is that it isn't about converting assholes.
Its about informing people who might be ignorant of issues and their part it in. Which is pretty much the grand majority of people.
I started reading some feminist books my sister had laying around the house when she was in high school. That stuff was pretty transforming (and trans-formative har har), as was talking to her when I was older and we were both in college. She's da best, really.
I've been craving some good feminist and/or feminist-queer sci-fi and/or fantasy. Anyone got some good suggestions? Boneshaker is a pretty good one, IMO.
You have got to read Le Guin's The Left Hand of Darkness
I only read it a few months ago, that book is tremendous in all ways
Oh hey, another opportunity to recommend Margaret Atwood's The Handmaid's Tale
Because if you want feminist scifi, that's one of the all time greats
There's not a lot of my privilege that I feel, in like a noticeable a way.
Like, I'm white, so more than likely at various points in my life I benefit from white privilege. But I don't usually notice it, where it's even a factor at all do to my low socio-economic class.
But male privilege? My god is that a huge factor in my life and one I'm aware of on an almost daily basis. It's a huge part of how the world reacts to me and how I interact with the world. I think that and ability privilege are the two things I'm most keenly aware of as impacts on my life.
Well, speaking on privilege. I think white privilege and male privilege work in different ways yet similar ways because of what they represent.
Racism is bad, everyone knows this and raging racist are usually villifed. So many people will make a point not to be outwardly racist. Not to mention many people tend to live in homogeneous neighborhoods, many their interactions with other races is rare outside of cosmopolitan areas. The truth of the matter is when it comes to white privilege you probably wouldn't notice it unless you weren't a white person or you were white and you ran into someone who wore their racism on their sleeve.
Sexism on the other hand is louder. Its also bad but the thing is sexist behavior has long been married to ideas of masculinity that most people probably find the behavior to be innocuous. Like people might say and do stuff and not understand the sexist undertones of it because they have been brought up to believe this is just the way things are. "Men should do this" "Women should do this" and we should just all except it. And someone who is heavily sexist might not be automatically vilified, he might just be being "One of the guys".
The thing about racism/sexism are they are both attitudes very tied to the idea of entitlement/superiority. Making them both very dangerous.
So I'm going to copy something I wrote recently in the D&D dating thread because it's relevant:
Racism is both overt and covert, and it takes three closely related forms: individual, institutional, and systemic. Individual racism consists of overt acts by individuals that cause death, injury, destruction of property, or denial of services or opportunity. Institutional racism is more subtle but no less destructive. Institutional racism involves polices, practices, and procedures of institutions that have a disproportionately negative effect on racial minorities’ access to and quality of goods, services, and opportunities. Systemic racism is the basis of individual and institutional racism; it is the value system that is embedded in a society that supports and allows discrimination.
The near-universal underlying issue is systemic bigotry. The fact that our culture is based on racism and sexism and etc. and that someone doesn't have to be actively a bigot to perpetuate or benefit from it is the problem.
So sure, it's entirely possible that overt acts of racism/etc. are becoming less frequent (I have no idea nor any data to back this up, btw), but just because something is louder doesn't mean the quiet, underlying issues are gone.
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edit: I mean, of course if you're in the back of a car sure. But I thought you were asking for the future. I wouldn't feel bad about it if you're trapped and outnumbered, but there's no reason to deal with them until you graduate, is there?
I spend at least 8 hours a weekday in the same room as these guys, as far as classes go. Easily more when I'm working at school after class.
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Reading books like that is still really useful, because going "God DAMN" when you realize Dracula is actually about a rapist and the women who are corrupted by running into him can help get the scales off your eyes in regards to modern culture
Like, their literary merit is beside the point, and I know Victorian literature =/= medieval literature
But the idea is the same. Reading old books with the right perspective can teach you a lot about where certain institutions in our society have their roots
and I thought man, this dude really gets it. You go dude.
But then I watched this video
And I thought man, this dude really doesn't get it. It is super ok to call someone out for making flippant jokes based on gender, jokes in which someone being female is the premise of the joke. It is super ok to not like the word "bitch" being used to describe a weak man - because you are insulting that man by implying he's a woman.
He uses air quotes and has his own definition of "sexist" and "unsexist" and apparently if you are "unsexist" you're allowed to say and think whatever you want as long as you don't rape someone.
Nah dude, sorry. You don't get to define what feminism is. If you think someone is talking some bullshit then call them out on it, but don't try to suppress people being offended by things that offend them. You self identify as a feminist and that's awesome, but you're getting mad at people who are playing a much longer game than you and, to be fair, have a much bigger stake in the game.
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The sad thing is. I probably used to say that one point in time. The "man and tits" thing...not proud of that on retrospect.
But I thought about it. Really, the idea of what makes a man and what makes a woman is pushed on us by society.
So, when we make our own worlds we have full control over what that is. But many of us are products of our upbringing so it can be hard for us to break through that.
That said, even then maybe you do want to use your podium to show the problems one might face because of their gender/race. In that case I think you still should start off by writing the person as a person, then add in the outwardly effects the world has on that person.
THAT SAID...I think also think about that in a fantasy setting. Because I remember this one conversation this guy who works at Bioware called Manveer had at one point. And I remember how when it came to escapism/power fantasies someone who was trans I believe said that they didn't want their pain/hardships to be on display for the entertainment of others. And that's a valid point, I think when it comes to fantasy, the ability for women and minorities to be involved without being othered is very important too.
So...yeah. Lot to think about.
I've also been searching for a good short non gendered insult.
I used to say twat (where I'm from in the UK twat is to twit as shit is to poop) but it turns out some ass (hey that does work) started using it as a derogatory word for a women's vagina.
In england calling someone an arse is like a subtle caress
Like, I'm white, so more than likely at various points in my life I benefit from white privilege. But I don't usually notice it, where it's even a factor at all do to my low socio-economic class.
But male privilege? My god is that a huge factor in my life and one I'm aware of on an almost daily basis. It's a huge part of how the world reacts to me and how I interact with the world. I think that and ability privilege are the two things I'm most keenly aware of as impacts on my life.
Never know how to feel about that. I was writing a plot synopsis for a book about a guy, and I stopped and thought for a minute and said "Is there any reason this person isn't a lady, outside of an ingrained tendency to have Conan-type characters be men?" Anyway that dude is no longer a dude, and I think that's probably the right choice for the character in a lot of ways, but there's also elements of their gender that I'll never be able to tackle
But then I don't really need to, either? Maybe
They're pretty much the ballerest
I've been craving some good feminist and/or feminist-queer sci-fi and/or fantasy. Anyone got some good suggestions? Boneshaker is a pretty good one, IMO.
seriously this one's super good
Need some stuff designed or printed? I can help with that.
You have got to read Le Guin's The Left Hand of Darkness
I only read it a few months ago, that book is tremendous in all ways
Heyyy try God's War: Bel Dame Apocrypha, reading it at the moment and it's good pulpy stuff. Almost entirely non white female characters
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The Left Hand of Darkness, & The Dispossessed by Ursula Le Guin are pretty much a must for anyone interested in feminist sci-fi. She was one of the first, and easily the best.
I just looked this up because I thought "What the fuck is ability privilege" but reading a bit on it immediately brought to mind some issues I had when going back to college.
For one, note-taking is pretty much worthless to me, because if I'm not being given a task I don't remember a god damned thing that the teacher is saying.
Unless the material we're learning is ridiculously interesting to me, I learn almost exclusively by doing. It's the experience from doing something that teaches me, not being told how something works.
Understandably, this is not a thing that most college teachers are really equipped to accommodate, so I don't really blame them for not having what I need.
What the fuck? What the fuck am I supposed to do in this situation? I don't want to know these people. I don't want to be associated with these people. But I'm stuck in a car with them and all I can muster is to say, "You guys are assholes." and all they just laugh it off. And I tell them that a woman doesn't want to be harassed in traffic like that, but they call me "Fifty-year-old Steve" (their go-to term for when I'm being a buzzkill) and nothing changes. And I'm afraid to push it any further then, because I'll be hurt in some way, and all I need to do is be congenial to these people until I graduate in November and then I never have to see any of them again if I don't want to.
It's cowardice, and I hate it. I hate that it's necessary, or that I've learned to think that it's necessary. How do I put up with bullshit from people I can't avoid without being a coward?
I've got an alt-history story I'm working on that is set partially in one of the first European colonies in Canada, and the main character's interactions with the Mi'kmaq peoples are part of that. Portraying First Nations people in a time period where our staggering mistreatment of them was just starting is very intimidating, and I've considered revising my plot to avoid having to deal with it, but I'm trying my best to stick with it, do my research, and try to write something as ethical as possible.
Oh and the main character is a woman, so I'm completely out of my comfort zone.
What was worse was the 5 or 6 slides of those super sexist joke images from the internet that were floating around nearly a decade ago.
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Have you read Orenda? It might help, a little bit. Damn good book. Won some literally prizes of late.
Well, speaking on privilege. I think white privilege and male privilege work in different ways yet similar ways because of what they represent.
Racism is bad, everyone knows this and raging racist are usually villifed. So many people will make a point not to be outwardly racist. Not to mention many people tend to live in homogeneous neighborhoods, many their interactions with other races is rare outside of cosmopolitan areas. The truth of the matter is when it comes to white privilege you probably wouldn't notice it unless you weren't a white person or you were white and you ran into someone who wore their racism on their sleeve.
Sexism on the other hand is louder. Its also bad but the thing is sexist behavior has long been married to ideas of masculinity that most people probably find the behavior to be innocuous. Like people might say and do stuff and not understand the sexist undertones of it because they have been brought up to believe this is just the way things are. "Men should do this" "Women should do this" and we should just all except it. And someone who is heavily sexist might not be automatically vilified, he might just be being "One of the guys".
The thing about racism/sexism are they are both attitudes very tied to the idea of entitlement/superiority. Making them both very dangerous.
Pick your battles. Really, if you're outnumbered by assholes, you're just not going to win. That wasn't cowardice overwhelming you, it was common sense.
Those guys sound like assholes
why do you need to be congenial to these people? why is it necessary?? ditch them. they're horrible. Make sure they know why you're ditching them.
edit: I mean, of course if you're in the back of a car sure. But I thought you were asking for the future. I wouldn't feel bad about it if you're trapped and outnumbered, but there's no reason to deal with them until you graduate, is there?
Oh hey, another opportunity to recommend Margaret Atwood's The Handmaid's Tale
Because if you want feminist scifi, that's one of the all time greats
Situations like these are the kind that, when I was younger, I was really blind to how privileged I was to be a strong, charismatic force of personality who either could persuade people to see how I did or just belligerently bully them into silence without giving a fuck.
It wasn't until my mid-20s that I came to understand this wasn't just a thing people could do and advice like "well just shout em down and if they're pricks, fuck em" was not useful advice for other people, even other men. This is the sort of thing I consider a form of ability privilege that I used to be ignorant of.
Its about informing people who might be ignorant of issues and their part it in. Which is pretty much the grand majority of people.
I studied this in school, it's pretty damn great
PSN- AHermano
So I'm going to copy something I wrote recently in the D&D dating thread because it's relevant:
http://academic.udayton.edu/race/2008electionandracism/raceandracism/racism02.htm
The near-universal underlying issue is systemic bigotry. The fact that our culture is based on racism and sexism and etc. and that someone doesn't have to be actively a bigot to perpetuate or benefit from it is the problem.
So sure, it's entirely possible that overt acts of racism/etc. are becoming less frequent (I have no idea nor any data to back this up, btw), but just because something is louder doesn't mean the quiet, underlying issues are gone.
I spend at least 8 hours a weekday in the same room as these guys, as far as classes go. Easily more when I'm working at school after class.
Excellent
Now to store it away forever because neither of us ever swear
oh no we don't
not us
Shitwalker? Pissflyer? Phlegmscuttler?
I use this from time to time. It's a great slur.
I would LOVE this slur, if I were the sort to use such language.