so what actually defines "misappropriation", as opposed to regular old appropriation which happens all the time and is one of the fundamental ways in which people communicate with each other
I am guessing Smof meant do they call it curry in India.
Curry is all over India, under a variety of names and local variations.
As sort of a fun fact, Japanese curry was first introduced to the country by way of Britain (by way of India) but not by way of India directly, so Japanese curry is closer to British curry in being more of a savory dish. Since Japan is relatively close-ish to India there are also people from India and surrounding areas that prepare curry more in that style, though with the heat toned down to be more in line with Japanese food tastes.
Curry is all over the world, which should not be surprising given what a relatively straight forward and flexible dish it is.
Which is why Japanese curry is grosssss
"Sandra has a good solid anti-murderer vibe. My skin felt very secure and sufficiently attached to my body when I met her. Also my organs." HAIL SATAN
I am guessing Smof meant do they call it curry in India.
Curry is all over India, under a variety of names and local variations.
As sort of a fun fact, Japanese curry was first introduced to the country by way of Britain (by way of India) but not by way of India directly, so Japanese curry is closer to British curry in being more of a savory dish. Since Japan is relatively close-ish to India there are also people from India and surrounding areas that prepare curry more in that style, though with the heat toned down to be more in line with Japanese food tastes.
Curry is all over the world, which should not be surprising given what a relatively straight forward and flexible dish it is.
Which is why Japanese curry is grosssss
I enjoy it quite a lot actually. I mean, yeah, the pre-made store bought cubes are not very good but some restaurants around here make some amazing, delicious savory curry.
It just scratches a completely different itch than the spicy style curry that most people think of when they hear the phrase Indian curry.
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Lost Salientblink twiceif you'd like me to mercy kill youRegistered Userregular
Yeah, lots of people love it!
I am not a fan at all. Of that or tonkatsu. I always got super-sad when someone would suggest it for work outings or school group outings.
"Sandra has a good solid anti-murderer vibe. My skin felt very secure and sufficiently attached to my body when I met her. Also my organs." HAIL SATAN
I was at this gas station in Texas once that was so flabbergastingly full of asinine Indian shit that I found myself standing slackjawed and agog, staring blankly at it all for like five whole minutes
One item was a poster called the "Native American Ten Commandments," which was just the regular ten commandments but with "mother earth" subbed in for "God." Which, man. Man. Where to even begin with that shit.
Another thing was a dreamcatcher with an American flag woven into the center, which made me laugh so hard that I almost bought it. But the fact that I'd be purchasing it ironically would in no way stop the manufacturer from getting money, so I restrained myself.
i like the idea of a really mild, yellow 'curry' flavoured japanese curry, but usually they're just too glutenous. and have raisins, or something dumb.
that said there's a little joint near here that does super good traditional japanese stuff and they do a pretty good one
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Lost Salientblink twiceif you'd like me to mercy kill youRegistered Userregular
Is that cabbage salad Inquisitor
"Sandra has a good solid anti-murderer vibe. My skin felt very secure and sufficiently attached to my body when I met her. Also my organs." HAIL SATAN
edit: that said i recall it being basically impossible to get good japanese in the uk. there was like one decent place to go to in cambridge, and then i had a 'sushi roll' from marks and sparks which i think made me question whether the uk was the right place to be eating japanese food at all
Well you probably can get japanese food in a fair few places in the UK but a supermarket pre-packaged sushi roll would be as good a sample of what's available as one of those pre-made microwavable "hamburgers" you can buy at truck stops would be of american cusine. I mean I don't know what you even expected?
this was ten years ago, mind you, and even then it seemed to be on the upswing over there. i'd just been spoilt after living in sydney and having really good stuff available at uni and everywhere nearby.
When I visit Japan at one point in the future, I'm probably going to have a hard time since I don't really like seafood
Maybe because I grew up in a country which is entirely landlocked
I don't know
You will be fine, Japan has plenty of non-fish food. As long as you stay away from sushi places you will be fine actually. In my experience most restaurants have few to no fish dishes. I think fish dishes tend to be more associated with home cooking and thus not the type of thing you see at a restaraunt as much.
There are a ton of meat dishes to enjoy.
Where you are screwed as someone visiting Japan is if you are a vegetarian or vegan.
When I visit Japan at one point in the future, I'm probably going to have a hard time since I don't really like seafood
Maybe because I grew up in a country which is entirely landlocked
I don't know
there's lots of good food in japan that's not sushi! sushi is traditionally more a luxury food than a staple meal (correct me if i'm wrong, people who have lived there). lots of great noodle dishes, salads and vegetables - 'dengaku nasu' (roasty miso eggplant) is one of my all time favourites. also... tempura.
I was at this gas station in Texas once that was so flabbergastingly full of asinine Indian shit that I found myself standing slackjawed and agog, staring blankly at it all for like five whole minutes
One item was a poster called the "Native American Ten Commandments," which was just the regular ten commandments but with "mother earth" subbed in for "God." Which, man. Man. Where to even begin with that shit.
Another thing was a dreamcatcher with an American flag woven into the center, which made me laugh so hard that I almost bought it. But the fact that I'd be purchasing it ironically would in no way stop the manufacturer from getting money, so I restrained myself.
i literally have that native american ten commandments posters on the wall in my apartment
i mean it's not mine, it's my housemate's, he has a lot of weird shit
also it might be a different set of commandments, these are all like "honour the great spirit" and "treat the earth with respect" and racist shit like that
I wouldn't call sushi a luxury food in Japan. Like, there are nice upscale sushi places and going to one of those is definitely a treat.
But there are also kaiten sushi, conveyor belt sushi, places where the fish is out on plates and you grab them off the belt and the ring your plates up at the end and it is like $1 a plate and you can walk out quite full for under $10, and there is also like drive through sushi and you can pick up pre-made sushi boxes from your local supermarket etc.
the way i understood it was that sushi has risen to great popularity, but it's not really the backbone of japanese cuisine because it was never (historically) really a peasant dish? i was chatting with a mate about it recently. seemed believable
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Lost Salientblink twiceif you'd like me to mercy kill youRegistered Userregular
Yeah Platy, you'll be totally fine. I don't eat seafood and apart from unavoidable fish cakes and the fact that there's going to be some secret fish ingredients in stuff, it was never an issue.
If you have an allergy you may want to learn any relevant language though. Friends of mine with nut allergies were always very cautious.
"Sandra has a good solid anti-murderer vibe. My skin felt very secure and sufficiently attached to my body when I met her. Also my organs." HAIL SATAN
In my experience people in Japan have a very poor grasp of food allergies so be extra careful on that front. Of course it is probably a lot better in a touristy area, as opposed to the countryside where I live.
But yeah, sushi is too complicated to be a staple dish. Staple dishes tend to be simple so in Japan you are look at rice, miso soup, pickled vegetables and grilled meat/fish as your basic staples.
When I visit Japan at one point in the future, I'm probably going to have a hard time since I don't really like seafood
Maybe because I grew up in a country which is entirely landlocked
I don't know
You will be fine, Japan has plenty of non-fish food. As long as you stay away from sushi places you will be fine actually. In my experience most restaurants have few to no fish dishes. I think fish dishes tend to be more associated with home cooking and thus not the type of thing you see at a restaraunt as much.
There are a ton of meat dishes to enjoy.
Where you are screwed as someone visiting Japan is if you are a vegetarian or vegan.
You'd better go to Korea then
Just remember that pork isn't a meat there so double check your food
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most of the sushi shops here are owned and operated by Korean and Chinese people so
whatever gets the most ignorant americans' money
Good lord
Generally, if you are korean and older than about 50-55 you also speak and cook japanese to varying degrees, because a very ugly exploitative colonial thing happened.
Korean-American restaurant owners have sushi menus and teriyaki chicken because it gets americans who don't know any better in the door, yes, but it would be problematic to think of it as "stealing" sushi from another culture- it was literally forced upon them.
And now they're using it to their own benefit. The weird american "Pan-Asian Cuisine" thing has very tangled roots.
Yeah that's not really what I was reacting to, but got it.
You don't actually have to have a certain type of blood to make food
It does not alchemically turn to shit if you try to make it and don't pass a blood test
I will say that I prefer American-ized Chinese and Korean food to Japanese-ized Chinese and Korean food, because Japan is general is not that big on food being spicy, and spicy Chinse and Korean food is rad. I am so looking forward to eating all the food on my upcoming Korea trip.
Anyway, yeah, my question wasn't about one of quality or authenticity but appropriateness and how people felt in regards to people in Japan making the food of people they annexed/occupied in recent history.
Well, I can't imagine it's any different than Taco Bell.
Uhhh
American treatment of mexico =/= Japanese treatment of china/korea
I don't think it's fair or equitable to compare two continuing trends of racism.
Marty: The future, it's where you're going? Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
You don't actually have to have a certain type of blood to make food
It does not alchemically turn to shit if you try to make it and don't pass a blood test
I will say that I prefer American-ized Chinese and Korean food to Japanese-ized Chinese and Korean food, because Japan is general is not that big on food being spicy, and spicy Chinse and Korean food is rad. I am so looking forward to eating all the food on my upcoming Korea trip.
Anyway, yeah, my question wasn't about one of quality or authenticity but appropriateness and how people felt in regards to people in Japan making the food of people they annexed/occupied in recent history.
Well, I can't imagine it's any different than Taco Bell.
Uhhh
American treatment of mexico =/= Japanese treatment of china/korea
I don't think it's fair or equitable to compare two continuing trends of racism.
Marty: The future, it's where you're going? Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
When I visit Japan at one point in the future, I'm probably going to have a hard time since I don't really like seafood
Maybe because I grew up in a country which is entirely landlocked
I don't know
You will be fine, Japan has plenty of non-fish food. As long as you stay away from sushi places you will be fine actually. In my experience most restaurants have few to no fish dishes. I think fish dishes tend to be more associated with home cooking and thus not the type of thing you see at a restaraunt as much.
There are a ton of meat dishes to enjoy.
Where you are screwed as someone visiting Japan is if you are a vegetarian or vegan.
You'd better go to Korea then
Just remember that pork isn't a meat there so double check your food
When I visit Japan at one point in the future, I'm probably going to have a hard time since I don't really like seafood
Maybe because I grew up in a country which is entirely landlocked
I don't know
You will be fine, Japan has plenty of non-fish food. As long as you stay away from sushi places you will be fine actually. In my experience most restaurants have few to no fish dishes. I think fish dishes tend to be more associated with home cooking and thus not the type of thing you see at a restaraunt as much.
There are a ton of meat dishes to enjoy.
Where you are screwed as someone visiting Japan is if you are a vegetarian or vegan.
You'd better go to Korea then
Just remember that pork isn't a meat there so double check your food
Wait.
What?
Korea has a poor understanding of voluntary vegetarianism
Marty: The future, it's where you're going? Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
See Inquisitor's tonkatsu a flood of memories came back to me of various Asian food
Now sadly I know I will never get to eat this stuff again.....
What's stopping you?
No one around here sells it let alone makes it
much like the joke at work of the frozen chicken fried steaks that say restaurant quality
I make fun of it saying would you be more likely to buy it if it said Truck Stop Quality?
On the subject of food I think I'm pretty bad at the whole appreciating other cultures thing.
Like garbage super market sushi and stuff like that? I will eat it no problem. Don't usually feel any where near as keen when I go out with Japanese friends to restaurants they like in London.
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okay but it seems like it would be useful to have a more robust definition that "appropriation that's bad"
Which is why Japanese curry is grosssss
"Sandra has a good solid anti-murderer vibe. My skin felt very secure and sufficiently attached to my body when I met her. Also my organs." HAIL SATAN
I enjoy it quite a lot actually. I mean, yeah, the pre-made store bought cubes are not very good but some restaurants around here make some amazing, delicious savory curry.
It just scratches a completely different itch than the spicy style curry that most people think of when they hear the phrase Indian curry.
I am not a fan at all. Of that or tonkatsu. I always got super-sad when someone would suggest it for work outings or school group outings.
"Sandra has a good solid anti-murderer vibe. My skin felt very secure and sufficiently attached to my body when I met her. Also my organs." HAIL SATAN
As someone who just had a delicious tonkatsu dinner...
I am sorry we can no longer be friends.
"Sandra has a good solid anti-murderer vibe. My skin felt very secure and sufficiently attached to my body when I met her. Also my organs." HAIL SATAN
give me all of your tonkatsu or the girl gets it
One item was a poster called the "Native American Ten Commandments," which was just the regular ten commandments but with "mother earth" subbed in for "God." Which, man. Man. Where to even begin with that shit.
Another thing was a dreamcatcher with an American flag woven into the center, which made me laugh so hard that I almost bought it. But the fact that I'd be purchasing it ironically would in no way stop the manufacturer from getting money, so I restrained myself.
that said there's a little joint near here that does super good traditional japanese stuff and they do a pretty good one
"Sandra has a good solid anti-murderer vibe. My skin felt very secure and sufficiently attached to my body when I met her. Also my organs." HAIL SATAN
Cabbage and lettuce mixed.
edit: that said i recall it being basically impossible to get good japanese in the uk. there was like one decent place to go to in cambridge, and then i had a 'sushi roll' from marks and sparks which i think made me question whether the uk was the right place to be eating japanese food at all
Maybe because I grew up in a country which is entirely landlocked
I don't know
You will be fine, Japan has plenty of non-fish food. As long as you stay away from sushi places you will be fine actually. In my experience most restaurants have few to no fish dishes. I think fish dishes tend to be more associated with home cooking and thus not the type of thing you see at a restaraunt as much.
There are a ton of meat dishes to enjoy.
Where you are screwed as someone visiting Japan is if you are a vegetarian or vegan.
there's lots of good food in japan that's not sushi! sushi is traditionally more a luxury food than a staple meal (correct me if i'm wrong, people who have lived there). lots of great noodle dishes, salads and vegetables - 'dengaku nasu' (roasty miso eggplant) is one of my all time favourites. also... tempura.
i literally have that native american ten commandments posters on the wall in my apartment
i mean it's not mine, it's my housemate's, he has a lot of weird shit
also it might be a different set of commandments, these are all like "honour the great spirit" and "treat the earth with respect" and racist shit like that
But there are also kaiten sushi, conveyor belt sushi, places where the fish is out on plates and you grab them off the belt and the ring your plates up at the end and it is like $1 a plate and you can walk out quite full for under $10, and there is also like drive through sushi and you can pick up pre-made sushi boxes from your local supermarket etc.
It basically runs the gamut.
If you have an allergy you may want to learn any relevant language though. Friends of mine with nut allergies were always very cautious.
"Sandra has a good solid anti-murderer vibe. My skin felt very secure and sufficiently attached to my body when I met her. Also my organs." HAIL SATAN
But yeah, sushi is too complicated to be a staple dish. Staple dishes tend to be simple so in Japan you are look at rice, miso soup, pickled vegetables and grilled meat/fish as your basic staples.
You'd better go to Korea then
Just remember that pork isn't a meat there so double check your food
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
I had mexican sushi recently. Chipotle and tuna with black beans, shit was good.
Yeah that's not really what I was reacting to, but got it.
I don't think it's fair or equitable to compare two continuing trends of racism.
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
I'm not talking about current trends
I'm talking about historical atrocities
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
Now sadly I know I will never get to eat this stuff again.....
What's stopping you?
What?
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
No one around here sells it let alone makes it
much like the joke at work of the frozen chicken fried steaks that say restaurant quality
I make fun of it saying would you be more likely to buy it if it said Truck Stop Quality?
Like garbage super market sushi and stuff like that? I will eat it no problem. Don't usually feel any where near as keen when I go out with Japanese friends to restaurants they like in London.