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Cafeteria Politics and Lesbian Sex [Orange is the New Black] [SPOILERS]
ElJeffe
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So hey, there's this show? On Netflix? About women in prison? And it's pretty good?
Yeah.
For the uninitiated, Orange is the New Black has been described as an inverse-Weeds. Instead of "Good girl goes bad, antics ensue," it's "Bad girl goes good, past catches up with her, antics ensue." Follow goodie-two-shoes Piper as she learns to deal with prison politics, crazy inmates, no privacy, crazy inmates, dickhole guards, and crazy inmates.
The new season just dropped on June 6. You should check it out.
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We'll use the same model as the other Netflix series threads. Anything from season one is fair game, no tags required. Anything from season 2 needs to be tagged. As well, please label what episode you're spoilering so people know whether or not it's safe to click a spoiler based on how much they've watched.
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Yeah.
For the uninitiated, Orange is the New Black has been described as an inverse-Weeds. Instead of "Good girl goes bad, antics ensue," it's "Bad girl goes good, past catches up with her, antics ensue." Follow goodie-two-shoes Piper as she learns to deal with prison politics, crazy inmates, no privacy, crazy inmates, dickhole guards, and crazy inmates.
The new season just dropped on June 6. You should check it out.
SPOILER RULES
We'll use the same model as the other Netflix series threads. Anything from season one is fair game, no tags required. Anything from season 2 needs to be tagged. As well, please label what episode you're spoilering so people know whether or not it's safe to click a spoiler based on how much they've watched.
Crazy Eyes is watching you, and if you fuck up, she will get you. And possibly pee on you. Or maybe be your bestest friend. Or maybe both, it's hard to tell with her.
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The new dynamic with V and Red in a probable power struggle has some potential, too. The whole Godfather, But With Cake scene was rad.
fuck you Vee you don't break up the dream team (Taystee and Poussey)
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One of Weeds' biggest problems, especially in the later seasons, was this weird tonal schizophrenia between serious, high-stakes drama and irreverent, crude humor. It's really surprising how well this show walks the drama/comedy line.
And Black Cindy is the best.
On Taystee (S2E2 spoilers):
Hire her Philip Morris!
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As for Piper, she is where she belongs storywise: as a supporting character in a much bigger story with better headline characters and plots.
I will however say in regards to Pipers last actions of the season:
Piper finally deciding to get some petty payback wasn't justified, but it was understandable. It made her less of a victim.
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edit: One thing I appreciate about the show is that it doesn't seem terribly apologetic towards its own main character. I don't feel like I'm expected to necessarily like or sympathize with Piper too much. It's a fairly objective portrayal of the protagonist. Kinda makes me want to read the book and see how it tracks.
Still, very entertaining show.
Edit; you do have a boat right?
The book is sort-of boring, if I'm honest.
(BOOK SPOILERS. SORT OF!)
There's also no pay-off at the end.
I suppose that shouldn't have been a surprise, but it was still unsatisfying
Her assholery seems largely a clueless class based thing though. She's not actively malicious, but because of her looks and social status she's always had things handed to her and had people willing to do her favors. She doesn't seem to notice that her looks and class status means she's been handed everything in life and never really had to do anything. A fair amount of the conflicts she lands herself in stem from other people becoming furious about this when it happens in the prison, and her inability to accept or even realize this. Most of the other conflicts stem from people refusing to just hand the pretty girl everything she wants when she smiles and give her the special treatment she's had all her life. She takes that as other people being rude or cruel to her or having something wrong with them, because she's never known anything else. She's someone who's never really been told no before in her life.
She does show more empathy for her fellow inmates as the show goes on though. She clearly realizes that she actually has something of a life and a future outside of the walls, most of the rest don't.
Pennsatucky (general season-long observation)
Also not enough Sophia this season
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I really liked season 2 a lot. I also appreciate the fact that the protagonist of the show is naive about privileged which makes her annoying and selfish. The ensemble cast is really amazing.
This show has such an effective use of flashbacks, too. So great.
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Just watched ep4 and
I loved the whole sequence of Piper trying to pimp out Brook, and Brook's realization that Piper was willing to sell Brook's body for a blanket.
Anyway, I dig the dynamic between Red and Vee.
Man, that scene.
But yeah, Piper's parents are terrible.
This is an example of how well-done Vee's character is. She is excellent at manipulating others into thinking she's their mother. It's all just a ruse to get them to trust her without any reciprocation whatsoever, and she's been doing it for years.
So yeah, I think Vee being so damned evil and unsympathetic was much needed.
Anyway, finished up through 11 last night. Soso is kind of hilarious. Also,
I feel like Vee fulfills that role wonderfully. It was getting harder and harder to suspend disbelief when everyone in that prison was just dealt a bad hand in life, and was actually a good person.
that was p good
You take that back!
Indeed. Some people are just sociopaths. It is not unrealistic to acknowledge it. In fact, it would be unrealistic to ignore it!