Dare To Be Stupid is still his crowning achievement
It might be the best Devo song and Devo didn't even write it
Similarly, I like Close But No Cigar more than any actual Cake song, and I dig First World Problems more than most Pixies songs I know (I'm not a huge fan of them)
Eh, I prefer the oxford comma, so... I guess I'm a criminal. Whoohoo, fuck the grammar police!
Technically, I think what that part of the song is saying is that he's not complaining about shit like the Oxford Comma, but actual crimes against the English Language.
Eh, I prefer the oxford comma, so... I guess I'm a criminal. Whoohoo, fuck the grammar police!
Technically, I think what that part of the song is saying is that he's not complaining about shit like the Oxford Comma, but actual crimes against the English Language.
Here's the line:
But I don't want your drama
If you really wanna
Leave out that Oxford Comma
He's actually pro-Oxford Comma. Like all right-thinking people.
I want someone to mix all 13 polka medleys together
I made a cd once with all of the polka medleys he's done on it
I don't recommend it
The polkas lose their impact in large numbers. What I do recommend is individual mix CDs for the polkas with all the original tracks in their medley order and the Polka at the end. The one I made for Polka Power actually turned out to be a pretty good driving mix. Nice blend of really cheesy and actually kind of good music.
Also, albums are kind of a weird artifact of our strange physical media past.
For someone like Weird Al, where a big chunk of it relies on being current, sure.
Overall, nope. At least when done correctly, an album can be so much more than a collection of songs that happened to be thrown on a thing together. The notion of the album being 'outdated' feels like it buys into the idea of music as a disposable commodity rather than music as art, as something enduring, and that's just a really depressing thought.
No no, I think you're not off there.
What I really should have meant to say is that releasing albums as The Only Way To Music is an outdated concept since artists now have more options in content delivery.
That's fair. For Top 40 pop, for instance, I could see a more singles oriented model making way more sense.
Skipper Dan is probably my favorite track. It is some of the darker humor he's done.
Skipper Dan is pretty fantastic.
Most of my favorite Al songs tend to be style parodies, so yeah.
I do find that, especially with his more recent albums.
The parodies are usually good, but the original material, at least in my opinion, tends to be even better. It really does show that the man has some real musical talent. If he does stop releasing albums and focuses more on putting out timely parodies, I hope he still keeps making original material as well.
The current album has a song based on Crosby Stills Nash and Young, so, yeah, he's not exactly shackled to the modern age.
I do find it interesting that the most recent band or artist he style-parodied on this album are the Foo Fighters, who have been around for just shy of 20 years. I know a lot of style parodies in the past have been of bands/artists who have been around for a while, but it feels like it has been trending more and more that way over the past few releases.
To me at least, it does feel like we're getting fewer and fewer really distinct musical acts as time goes on; an act where their 'style' could be identified if someone else did a song along those lines.
Eh, I prefer the oxford comma, so... I guess I'm a criminal. Whoohoo, fuck the grammar police!
Technically, I think what that part of the song is saying is that he's not complaining about shit like the Oxford Comma, but actual crimes against the English Language.
Here's the line:
But I don't want your drama
If you really wanna
Leave out that Oxford Comma
He's actually pro-Oxford Comma. Like all right-thinking people.
He's pro-Oxford, but realizes there are far worse things you could be doing. Like... hi, Alanis Morissette, don't think anyone's forgotten how you murdered the word 'irony' forever and ever and mailed all the little chopped-up entrails to the cops one piece at a time.
I have a new soccer blog The Minnow Tank. Reading it psychically kicks Sepp Blatter in the bean bag.
The idea that there is stormy weather that ruins a special occasion that has been meticulously planned from top to bottom is very much an example of cosmic irony and I posit that the people who whine about alanis Morissette not knowing the definition of irony are in fact the ones that do not know the definition of irony
Eh, I prefer the oxford comma, so... I guess I'm a criminal. Whoohoo, fuck the grammar police!
Technically, I think what that part of the song is saying is that he's not complaining about shit like the Oxford Comma, but actual crimes against the English Language.
Here's the line:
But I don't want your drama
If you really wanna
Leave out that Oxford Comma
He's actually pro-Oxford Comma. Like all right-thinking people.
He's pro-Oxford, but realizes there are far worse things you could be doing. Like... hi, Alanis Morissette, don't think anyone's forgotten how you murdered the word 'irony' forever and ever and mailed all the little chopped-up entrails to the cops one piece at a time.
How so? I don't know who that is or what their connection to irony is, I mean. Also, Irony can mean that something happens that is the opposite of what you expect, (like a fire truck on fire) but the first definition, according to Merriam-Webster is, of course
Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if Labor had not first existed. Labor is superior to capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. - Lincoln
I thought that the ironic part of Ironic was that none of the things she says in the song is actually ironic and she was working on a meta-as-fuck level
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The idea that there is stormy weather that ruins a special occasion that has been meticulously planned from top to bottom is very much an example of cosmic irony and I posit that the people who whine about alanis Morissette not knowing the definition of irony are in fact the ones that do not know the definition of irony
Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if Labor had not first existed. Labor is superior to capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. - Lincoln
I thought that the ironic part of Ironic was that none of the things she says in the song is actually ironic and she was working on a meta-as-fuck level
Except almost all of the things that happen in the song are, in fact, ironic
They are examples of cosmic irony, which is defined as
the idea that fate, destiny, or a god controls and toys with human hopes and expectations; also, the belief that the universe is so large and man is so small that the universe is indifferent to the plight of man; also called irony of fate
All of the lines in the song are about people making plans and then having them subverted by a wrinkle of fate.
The only real dud is "it's the good advice that you just didn't take." That MIGHT be ironic in the right context but by itself it doesn't really qualify
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But cosmic irony isn't ironic! It's just coincidences. Something isn't ironic just because it's contrary to expectations, it has to be something that is the reverse of what you expect, it can't just be an unfortunate coincidence, like rain on a wedding, it has to be the opposite of what you would expect, like a meteorologist getting hit by lightning. Or, in some ways even more ironic, a meteorologist getting hit by a meteor.
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Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if Labor had not first existed. Labor is superior to capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. - Lincoln
But cosmic irony isn't ironic! It's just coincidences. Something isn't ironic just because it's contrary to expectations, it has to be something that is the reverse of what you expect, it can't just be an unfortunate coincidence, like rain on a wedding, it has to be the opposite of what you would expect, like a meteorologist getting hit by lightning. Or, in some ways even more ironic, a meteorologist getting hit by a meteor.
That's one form of irony
Irony has several definitions
There's also dramatic irony, where a character makes decisions ignorant of information that the audience is privy to (like the end of Romeo and Juliet).
Blow up the rain in a wedding day line into a full vignette
An immaculate outdoor ceremony has been set up in a beautiful rose garden, with a large table of delicious food off to the side for the reception. It's a perfect setting to get married in. The bride thinks to herself that they've made this day perfect in every way and nothing could go wrong
And then lightning strikes and it starts to rain and everything gets ruined by the rainstorm
That's absolutely ironic
The line in the song is nothing but " it's like rain on your wedding day," but given the context of that line, such as the title of the song, it's obvious that the line is intended to invoke a scenario like the one described above, and if you insist on interpreting it at face value then you're just assuming bad faith on the part of the songwriter for no real reason
I wonder if it'd be easier for him in terms of red-tape to do a polka medley of just one song (a la Bohemian Polka) instead of a bunch of short bits of them.
Because I could totally be down with that as an alternative.
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Ironic would be a wedding getting ruined by the groom getting skulled by a wedding ring that got lost by a passing skydiver.
Or, well... writing a song called Ironic that barely has any actual irony in it.
I have a new soccer blog The Minnow Tank. Reading it psychically kicks Sepp Blatter in the bean bag.
Ironic would be a wedding getting ruined by the groom getting skulled by a wedding ring that got lost by a passing skydiver.
I don't think that's actually ironic, though. Ironic would be the groom wanting to make sure he doesn't miss the wedding, so he sets his alarm two hours early, and then hits the snooze alarm, which causes him to oversleep and miss the wedding.
There is perhaps no worse argument on the internet on what is or is not ironic.
I am not sure why, of all words with shifting and various definitions, people have decided that irony is the one they will make their prescriptivist last stand on.
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Similarly, I like Close But No Cigar more than any actual Cake song, and I dig First World Problems more than most Pixies songs I know (I'm not a huge fan of them)
My Own Eyes is really, really good too
I made a cd once with all of the polka medleys he's done on it
I don't recommend it
Technically, I think what that part of the song is saying is that he's not complaining about shit like the Oxford Comma, but actual crimes against the English Language.
Here's the line:
He's actually pro-Oxford Comma. Like all right-thinking people.
The polkas lose their impact in large numbers. What I do recommend is individual mix CDs for the polkas with all the original tracks in their medley order and the Polka at the end. The one I made for Polka Power actually turned out to be a pretty good driving mix. Nice blend of really cheesy and actually kind of good music.
I think we've settled on 'shes ok with it but still isn't a fan'
Weird Al
Mystery Science Theater 3000
The Daily Show
The Colbert Report
The list goes on, but you get the idea.
So...what kind of evidence does she have? Cuz, she must be blackmailing you to stay.
That's fair. For Top 40 pop, for instance, I could see a more singles oriented model making way more sense.
Skipper Dan is pretty fantastic.
I do find that, especially with his more recent albums.
The parodies are usually good, but the original material, at least in my opinion, tends to be even better. It really does show that the man has some real musical talent. If he does stop releasing albums and focuses more on putting out timely parodies, I hope he still keeps making original material as well.
I do find it interesting that the most recent band or artist he style-parodied on this album are the Foo Fighters, who have been around for just shy of 20 years. I know a lot of style parodies in the past have been of bands/artists who have been around for a while, but it feels like it has been trending more and more that way over the past few releases.
To me at least, it does feel like we're getting fewer and fewer really distinct musical acts as time goes on; an act where their 'style' could be identified if someone else did a song along those lines.
That song is based on an actual Pepsi document.
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He's pro-Oxford, but realizes there are far worse things you could be doing. Like... hi, Alanis Morissette, don't think anyone's forgotten how you murdered the word 'irony' forever and ever and mailed all the little chopped-up entrails to the cops one piece at a time.
I'll let you have that opinion but I think when it hits, it REALLY hits.
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How so? I don't know who that is or what their connection to irony is, I mean. Also, Irony can mean that something happens that is the opposite of what you expect, (like a fire truck on fire) but the first definition, according to Merriam-Webster is, of course
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Except almost all of the things that happen in the song are, in fact, ironic
They are examples of cosmic irony, which is defined as
All of the lines in the song are about people making plans and then having them subverted by a wrinkle of fate.
The only real dud is "it's the good advice that you just didn't take." That MIGHT be ironic in the right context but by itself it doesn't really qualify
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I say this every time I read a comic by Robert Kirkman
That's one form of irony
Irony has several definitions
There's also dramatic irony, where a character makes decisions ignorant of information that the audience is privy to (like the end of Romeo and Juliet).
Blow up the rain in a wedding day line into a full vignette
An immaculate outdoor ceremony has been set up in a beautiful rose garden, with a large table of delicious food off to the side for the reception. It's a perfect setting to get married in. The bride thinks to herself that they've made this day perfect in every way and nothing could go wrong
And then lightning strikes and it starts to rain and everything gets ruined by the rainstorm
That's absolutely ironic
The line in the song is nothing but " it's like rain on your wedding day," but given the context of that line, such as the title of the song, it's obvious that the line is intended to invoke a scenario like the one described above, and if you insist on interpreting it at face value then you're just assuming bad faith on the part of the songwriter for no real reason
http://www.audioentropy.com/
now that's definitely cosmic irony
Because I could totally be down with that as an alternative.
Or, well... writing a song called Ironic that barely has any actual irony in it.
I don't think that's actually ironic, though. Ironic would be the groom wanting to make sure he doesn't miss the wedding, so he sets his alarm two hours early, and then hits the snooze alarm, which causes him to oversleep and miss the wedding.
I am not sure why, of all words with shifting and various definitions, people have decided that irony is the one they will make their prescriptivist last stand on.