Retweeting pornographic comics featuring Zoe Quinn or comparing the people on her side to a literal lynch mob is not just a "different opinion," so you can take that idea straight to the dump.
Are you actually for real with this? This is something he actually did? I can't find where this started because the meltdown on twitter is extensive to say the least, but if he did do this then fuck him. I don't mind him being jettisoned from the thread entirely (outside of discussion on earlier episodes).
The comic in question was about as "pornographic" as a handful of PA comics have been. I love the inflammatory language though.
Didn't a judge once say "I can't define pornography, but I know it when I see it"?
you're a really really silly goose
Also a possibility.
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I haven't really posted on the subject except in chat once, just been lurking around. At first I was kinda mad but after awhile I realized I didn't really care and that it's being blown up too much. Obviously journalism is corrupt, kind of comes with the territory and politics yada yada yada. I'm sure I'll get upset again when I release a game on steam after a year of working on it only to get like $1000-2000 tops out of it, where as she's getting patron'd like crazy over this whole thing. Then again, making games is never about the money for me anyways. I do think that Jon tweeting that "comic" was pretty poor of him. However, it resulted in a Rick and Morty edit which I think is hilarious.
Which I'm removing because it's "not funny", in order to maintain my neutral bias.
I should really start the Mario 3D World video series but I hate going through them all and then having to wait for a new one. I like to watch through them in a row... But you guys are saying it's better than the Sonic 06 videos.
The comic in question was about as "pornographic" as a handful of PA comics have been. I love the inflammatory language though.
Didn't a judge once say "I can't define pornography, but I know it when I see it"?
Is this the comic where she's depicted naked,rubbing up on a bunch of naked dudes?
If that's not pornographic, what the fuck is?
I guess I should answer seriously then. Is all it takes to be pornography nudity? Is there a difference between a sex scene in a romantic movie and pornography? What about nudity in political cartoons? Is a naked caricature still pornography?
I've seen my fair share of pornography. What I saw in the comic was parody. Naked, absurdly drawn characters, juxtaposed with a social point that was being made. A point that was being made obscenely. But I think most of us generally enjoy obscene humor. Otherwise we wouldn't read PA.
There is pornography of Zoe Quinn out there. She did modelling sets for a few sites. The difference between those and the comic in night and day. One was intended to arouse, the other was intended to make a point.
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I should really start the Mario 3D World video series but I hate going through them all and then having to wait for a new one. I like to watch through them in a row... But you guys are saying it's better than the Sonic 06 videos.
Honestly the Mario series was kind of tough for me to watch for the first run of episodes,because Danny is so bad and Arin relentlessly rubs it in his face over and over.
At this point, though, Danny made it through the crucible and, even though he still sucks, uses every opportunity possible to troll Arin. They're driving each other insane and it's truly great.
I should really start the Mario 3D World video series but I hate going through them all and then having to wait for a new one. I like to watch through them in a row... But you guys are saying it's better than the Sonic 06 videos.
It's not.
Oh good, you've tempered the hype. Thanks.
I started Power Blade... Oh my God I loved this game as a kid!
The comic in question was about as "pornographic" as a handful of PA comics have been. I love the inflammatory language though.
Didn't a judge once say "I can't define pornography, but I know it when I see it"?
Is this the comic where she's depicted naked,rubbing up on a bunch of naked dudes?
If that's not pornographic, what the fuck is?
I guess I should answer seriously then. Is all it takes to be pornography nudity? Is there a difference between a sex scene in a romantic movie and pornography? What about nudity in political cartoons? Is a naked caricature still pornography?
I've seen my fair share of pornography. What I saw in the comic was parody. Naked, absurdly drawn characters, juxtaposed with a social point that was being made. A point that was being made obscenely. But I think most of us generally enjoy obscene humor. Otherwise we wouldn't read PA.
There is pornography of Zoe Quinn out there. She did modelling sets for a few sites. The difference between those and the comic in night and day. One was intended to arouse, the other was intended to make a point.
This discussion probably doesn't belong in this thread anymore, so I won't make a super long post, but I will say that,at least to me, just like "cinematic" and "cinema" have slightly different meanings, "pornographic" and "pornography" have slightly different meanings. That comic may not be out-and-out porn, but drawing a girl having sex with five dudes, completely naked, talking about sucking a bunch of dicks, is totally pornographic, at least to me.
Can we just call this off, though, and go back to grumping about the Grumps?
The comic in question was about as "pornographic" as a handful of PA comics have been. I love the inflammatory language though.
Didn't a judge once say "I can't define pornography, but I know it when I see it"?
Is this the comic where she's depicted naked,rubbing up on a bunch of naked dudes?
If that's not pornographic, what the fuck is?
I guess I should answer seriously then. Is all it takes to be pornography nudity? Is there a difference between a sex scene in a romantic movie and pornography? What about nudity in political cartoons? Is a naked caricature still pornography?
I've seen my fair share of pornography. What I saw in the comic was parody. Naked, absurdly drawn characters, juxtaposed with a social point that was being made. A point that was being made obscenely. But I think most of us generally enjoy obscene humor. Otherwise we wouldn't read PA.
There is pornography of Zoe Quinn out there. She did modelling sets for a few sites. The difference between those and the comic in night and day. One was intended to arouse, the other was intended to make a point.
This discussion probably doesn't belong in this thread anymore, so I won't make a super long post, but I will say that,at least to me, just like "cinematic" and "cinema" have slightly different meanings, "pornographic" and "pornography" have slightly different meanings. That comic may not be out-and-out porn, but drawing a girl having sex with five dudes, completely naked, talking about sucking a bunch of dicks, is totally pornographic, at least to me.
Can we just call this off, though, and go back to grumping about the Grumps?
I'll grant you that distinction and I'll agree to drop it.
I should really start the Mario 3D World video series but I hate going through them all and then having to wait for a new one. I like to watch through them in a row... But you guys are saying it's better than the Sonic 06 videos.
It's not.
Sonic 06 had a couple of highlights but a lot of it wasn't honestly all that great.
I should really start the Mario 3D World video series but I hate going through them all and then having to wait for a new one. I like to watch through them in a row... But you guys are saying it's better than the Sonic 06 videos.
It's not.
Sonic 06 had a couple of highlights but a lot of it wasn't honestly all that great.
Mario 3D World is consistently good.
I would say that the highs of Sonic 06 are pretty legendary, though. You're right in that this Mario run is probably more consistent, because they actually have a game to work with.
I should really start the Mario 3D World video series but I hate going through them all and then having to wait for a new one. I like to watch through them in a row... But you guys are saying it's better than the Sonic 06 videos.
It's not.
Sonic 06 had a couple of highlights but a lot of it wasn't honestly all that great.
Mario 3D World is consistently good.
Eh, once again, different strokes. I find the Mario 3D series kinda boring, and the competitive nature of Arin vs Dan got stale fast and hasn't let up for me. Though Dan switching to Toad from Luigi mid-series has made it marginally better, I really just can't wait for them to finish this and move on. At least in the Sonic series I was excited to see the next big glitch/programming-fuck-up and their appropriate reactions. Here, I'm just watching Arin trash Dan because Arin's played the game before and knows everything about it. It's not Dan's fault, I just find it not as entertaining to watch.
A lot of Sonic '06 has you going through similar areas with a different hedgehog. The series has amazing highs, but there a lot of long stretches where Arin and Jon are just chatting about shit and not even making jokes because they've run out of material for their third run of the snow level or they've died the umpteenth time in some area.
I should really start the Mario 3D World video series but I hate going through them all and then having to wait for a new one. I like to watch through them in a row... But you guys are saying it's better than the Sonic 06 videos.
A lot of Sonic '06 has you going through similar areas with a different hedgehog. The series has amazing highs, but there a lot of long stretches where Arin and Jon are just chatting about shit and not even making jokes because they've run out of material for their third run of the snow level or they've died the umpteenth time in some area.
Is there a video that compiles all the highs from the series? I stopped watching around 30 or so.
I'm sure there's several "Best of Sonic '06" videos on YouTube. It's pretty common for people to do those types of videos for any series with 5+ videos.
I'm sure I'll get upset again when I release a game on steam after a year of working on it only to get like $1000-2000 tops out of it, where as she's getting patron'd like crazy over this whole thing. Then again, making games is never about the money for me anyways.
Depression Quest sells for the hot price of $0.00 (you can donate, but let's get real here), and it's not like this was some master plan of hers to have a bunch of people harass her and dump private information all over the internet in order to get that sweet patreon cash (which adds up to $25,000 a year...a little more than what I made full-time at Walmart only without the benefits or the stability).
I'm sure I'll get upset again when I release a game on steam after a year of working on it only to get like $1000-2000 tops out of it, where as she's getting patron'd like crazy over this whole thing. Then again, making games is never about the money for me anyways.
Depression Quest sells for the hot price of $0.00 (you can donate, but let's get real here), and it's not like this was some master plan of hers to have a bunch of people harass her and dump private information all over the internet in order to get that sweet patreon cash (which adds up to $25,000 a year...a little more than what I made full-time at Walmart only without the benefits or the stability).
No, I'm not saying it's a huge conspiracy to get her money, but it's definitely a by-product of becoming infamous. Large amounts of people will donate to her because they believe that she was not in the wrong, or because they feel bad that some (very reasonably) hurt guy did something incredibly stupid. Like I said I'm not advocating either side here, but it's stupid to think that she's not somehow benefiting from all this press.
I mean really, how many of you actually knew what Depression Quest was before all this twitter crap anyway?
I'm sure I'll get upset again when I release a game on steam after a year of working on it only to get like $1000-2000 tops out of it, where as she's getting patron'd like crazy over this whole thing. Then again, making games is never about the money for me anyways.
Depression Quest sells for the hot price of $0.00 (you can donate, but let's get real here), and it's not like this was some master plan of hers to have a bunch of people harass her and dump private information all over the internet in order to get that sweet patreon cash (which adds up to $25,000 a year...a little more than what I made full-time at Walmart only without the benefits or the stability).
No, I'm not saying it's a huge conspiracy to get her money, but it's definitely a by-product of becoming infamous. Large amounts of people will donate to her because they believe that she was not in the wrong, or because they feel bad that some (very reasonably) hurt guy did something incredibly stupid. Like I said I'm not advocating either side here, but it's stupid to think that she's not somehow benefiting from all this press.
I mean really, how many of you actually knew what Depression Quest was before all this twitter crap anyway?
On the flip side, unless you buy into the conspiracy theory that she's faking the harassment, I've gotta wonder if an extra $200 a month in Patreon cash is worth the relentless, nonstop hate she's receiving. How much would you value "Not being told to kill yourself over all mediums" at?
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KoopahTroopahThe koopas, the troopas.Philadelphia, PARegistered Userregular
I'm sure I'll get upset again when I release a game on steam after a year of working on it only to get like $1000-2000 tops out of it, where as she's getting patron'd like crazy over this whole thing. Then again, making games is never about the money for me anyways.
Depression Quest sells for the hot price of $0.00 (you can donate, but let's get real here), and it's not like this was some master plan of hers to have a bunch of people harass her and dump private information all over the internet in order to get that sweet patreon cash (which adds up to $25,000 a year...a little more than what I made full-time at Walmart only without the benefits or the stability).
No, I'm not saying it's a huge conspiracy to get her money, but it's definitely a by-product of becoming infamous. Large amounts of people will donate to her because they believe that she was not in the wrong, or because they feel bad that some (very reasonably) hurt guy did something incredibly stupid. Like I said I'm not advocating either side here, but it's stupid to think that she's not somehow benefiting from all this press.
I mean really, how many of you actually knew what Depression Quest was before all this twitter crap anyway?
On the flip side, unless you buy into the conspiracy theory that she's faking the harassment, I've gotta wonder if an extra $200 a month in Patreon cash is worth the relentless, nonstop hate she's receiving. How much would you value "Not being told to kill yourself over all mediums" at?
And yeah, I get that. Obviously that makes sense too. I mean if you're going into the gaming industry you have to have thick skin anyway. I mean, look at the flappy bird guy. Does that make it right for her to get this kind of harassment, no of course not.
For the record, her Patreon rose from a little over 1k to over 2k in a day, not to belittle how much she's getting in support.
Oh man apparently something went down on the twitter with jt and zq? I'm actually really excited to go read about this - I kind of love internet drama and back when that Mountain Dew game jam thing happened there was this whole bit about them trying to sensationalize some kind of argument they were having, and them not talking about it because of reputations and etc and I wanted to know so bad.
Y'all have hyped it up pretty good so I'm hoping I'm not disappointed.
I guess my ultimate view as to how that balances out, is it's like losing weight because you have cancer.
Yeah, and this is kind of where I can see more people taking Zoe's side. I personally can't really equate harassment to cancer. This might be from having a Twitch stream for 4+ years, which at it's prime had 2000-3000ish unique viewers a day, where I would wake up, get on Twitch, play HoN, go eat, come back, sleep, and repeat. You can bet that I would get daily comments like "Overweight nerd, kill yourself, you're awful at this game, why do you do this, haha bye", and I mean I'm still here. However, I can completely sympathize that her situation is at an infinitely larger scale. My twitch has faded into the 10-20 viewers a day territory (cause duh, no one cares), where this will almost definitely haunt her forever.
I guess my ultimate view as to how that balances out, is it's like losing weight because you have cancer.
Yeah, and this is kind of where I can see more people taking Zoe's side. I personally can't really equate harassment to cancer. This might be from having a Twitch stream for 4+ years, which at it's prime had 2000-3000ish unique viewers a day, where I would wake up, get on Twitch, play HoN, go eat, come back, sleep, and repeat. You can bet that I would get daily comments like "Overweight nerd, kill yourself, you're awful at this game, why do you do this, haha bye", and I mean I'm still here. However, I can completely sympathize that her situation is at an infinitely larger scale. My twitch has faded into the 10-20 viewers a day territory (cause duh, no one cares), where this will almost definitely haunt her forever.
Well, I also think, just aside from what you mentioned, its several orders of magnitude worse. There's no eat, sleep, wake up, submit yourself to abuse, log off, goto bed, repeat. It's a nonstop, uncontrollable barrage of phone calls, emails, text messages, her parents calling to ask why they are getting strange calls, etc, etc. She could be completely unplugged and the abuse will still reach. It's remarkable what a psychological toll that loss of control can take on someone.
I guess my ultimate view as to how that balances out, is it's like losing weight because you have cancer.
Yeah, and this is kind of where I can see more people taking Zoe's side. I personally can't really equate harassment to cancer. This might be from having a Twitch stream for 4+ years, which at it's prime had 2000-3000ish unique viewers a day, where I would wake up, get on Twitch, play HoN, go eat, come back, sleep, and repeat. You can bet that I would get daily comments like "Overweight nerd, kill yourself, you're awful at this game, why do you do this, haha bye", and I mean I'm still here. However, I can completely sympathize that her situation is at an infinitely larger scale. My twitch has faded into the 10-20 viewers a day territory (cause duh, no one cares), where this will almost definitely haunt her forever.
it's not fun to watch (because they stare at the same picture for entire episodes) and it's not fun to listen to (because they mined any potential humor, of which there wasn't much, in the first episode).
I know, I can just ignore it, but I want three videos a day, not just two! :P
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Yeah I agree, the last episode was funny for phone videos from Ross but the rest of it was stupid. I haven't watched this one yet. Kind of excited to see what series is coming in an hour. Hope it's something awesome.
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Didn't a judge once say "I can't define pornography, but I know it when I see it"?
you're a really really silly goose
Also a possibility.
Which I'm removing because it's "not funny", in order to maintain my neutral bias.
Is this the comic where she's depicted naked,rubbing up on a bunch of naked dudes?
If that's not pornographic, what the fuck is?
I guess I should answer seriously then. Is all it takes to be pornography nudity? Is there a difference between a sex scene in a romantic movie and pornography? What about nudity in political cartoons? Is a naked caricature still pornography?
I've seen my fair share of pornography. What I saw in the comic was parody. Naked, absurdly drawn characters, juxtaposed with a social point that was being made. A point that was being made obscenely. But I think most of us generally enjoy obscene humor. Otherwise we wouldn't read PA.
There is pornography of Zoe Quinn out there. She did modelling sets for a few sites. The difference between those and the comic in night and day. One was intended to arouse, the other was intended to make a point.
It's not.
At this point, though, Danny made it through the crucible and, even though he still sucks, uses every opportunity possible to troll Arin. They're driving each other insane and it's truly great.
Oh good, you've tempered the hype.
I started Power Blade... Oh my God I loved this game as a kid!
This discussion probably doesn't belong in this thread anymore, so I won't make a super long post, but I will say that,at least to me, just like "cinematic" and "cinema" have slightly different meanings, "pornographic" and "pornography" have slightly different meanings. That comic may not be out-and-out porn, but drawing a girl having sex with five dudes, completely naked, talking about sucking a bunch of dicks, is totally pornographic, at least to me.
Can we just call this off, though, and go back to grumping about the Grumps?
I'll grant you that distinction and I'll agree to drop it.
Sonic 06 had a couple of highlights but a lot of it wasn't honestly all that great.
Mario 3D World is consistently good.
I would say that the highs of Sonic 06 are pretty legendary, though. You're right in that this Mario run is probably more consistent, because they actually have a game to work with.
Eh, once again, different strokes. I find the Mario 3D series kinda boring, and the competitive nature of Arin vs Dan got stale fast and hasn't let up for me. Though Dan switching to Toad from Luigi mid-series has made it marginally better, I really just can't wait for them to finish this and move on. At least in the Sonic series I was excited to see the next big glitch/programming-fuck-up and their appropriate reactions. Here, I'm just watching Arin trash Dan because Arin's played the game before and knows everything about it. It's not Dan's fault, I just find it not as entertaining to watch.
C'mon! You know you guys want to...
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Is there a video that compiles all the highs from the series? I stopped watching around 30 or so.
Depression Quest sells for the hot price of $0.00 (you can donate, but let's get real here), and it's not like this was some master plan of hers to have a bunch of people harass her and dump private information all over the internet in order to get that sweet patreon cash (which adds up to $25,000 a year...a little more than what I made full-time at Walmart only without the benefits or the stability).
Hey, come on. You like Simon Pegg, you're already smarter than most. But yeah there's several compilations on the Sonic 06 series on YouTube.
No, I'm not saying it's a huge conspiracy to get her money, but it's definitely a by-product of becoming infamous. Large amounts of people will donate to her because they believe that she was not in the wrong, or because they feel bad that some (very reasonably) hurt guy did something incredibly stupid. Like I said I'm not advocating either side here, but it's stupid to think that she's not somehow benefiting from all this press.
I mean really, how many of you actually knew what Depression Quest was before all this twitter crap anyway?
On the flip side, unless you buy into the conspiracy theory that she's faking the harassment, I've gotta wonder if an extra $200 a month in Patreon cash is worth the relentless, nonstop hate she's receiving. How much would you value "Not being told to kill yourself over all mediums" at?
And yeah, I get that. Obviously that makes sense too. I mean if you're going into the gaming industry you have to have thick skin anyway. I mean, look at the flappy bird guy. Does that make it right for her to get this kind of harassment, no of course not.
For the record, her Patreon rose from a little over 1k to over 2k in a day, not to belittle how much she's getting in support.
Grumps should play Depression Quest, problem solved!
Thaaaaaat might not be a good idea. I have a sneaking suspicion it'll get torn a new one ala The Path.
Y'all have hyped it up pretty good so I'm hoping I'm not disappointed.
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Yeah, and this is kind of where I can see more people taking Zoe's side. I personally can't really equate harassment to cancer. This might be from having a Twitch stream for 4+ years, which at it's prime had 2000-3000ish unique viewers a day, where I would wake up, get on Twitch, play HoN, go eat, come back, sleep, and repeat. You can bet that I would get daily comments like "Overweight nerd, kill yourself, you're awful at this game, why do you do this, haha bye", and I mean I'm still here. However, I can completely sympathize that her situation is at an infinitely larger scale. My twitch has faded into the 10-20 viewers a day territory (cause duh, no one cares), where this will almost definitely haunt her forever.
Edit - Speaking of feminsm, hey Sakura Spirit!
Well, I also think, just aside from what you mentioned, its several orders of magnitude worse. There's no eat, sleep, wake up, submit yourself to abuse, log off, goto bed, repeat. It's a nonstop, uncontrollable barrage of phone calls, emails, text messages, her parents calling to ask why they are getting strange calls, etc, etc. She could be completely unplugged and the abuse will still reach. It's remarkable what a psychological toll that loss of control can take on someone.
God I wish they'd stop this damn game.
it's not fun to watch (because they stare at the same picture for entire episodes) and it's not fun to listen to (because they mined any potential humor, of which there wasn't much, in the first episode).
I know, I can just ignore it, but I want three videos a day, not just two! :P
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