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[PA Comic] Monday, August 25, 2014 - Virtue

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    OrphaneOrphane rivers of red that run to seaRegistered User regular
    edited August 2014
    It is often immensely entertaining to read these threads, because the people begging Lyte to post their chat logs to "prove they aren't toxic" apparently are all compulsive liars or people who genuinely have no idea why they are how they are.

    The former I have no sympathy for since it is pretty obvious by now that if Lyte does get around to responding to those threads, logs will be posted. The latter, though...they worry me more than the liars.

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    Maz-Maz- 飛べ Registered User regular
    This needs some context.

    Why does that guy have green hair?

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    PlatyPlaty Registered User regular
    Because it looks snazzy with his pink shirt

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    PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    Orphane wrote: »
    It is often immensely entertaining to read these threads, because the people begging Lyte to post their chat logs to "prove they aren't toxic" apparently are all compulsive liars or people who genuinely have no idea why they are how they are.

    The former I have no sympathy for since it is pretty obvious by now that if Lyte does get around to responding to those threads, logs will be posted. The latter, though...they worry me more than the liars.

    I think it's more the latter, people who genuinely do not understand that they are being complete assholes, and so are mystified when they get bans.

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    DelzhandDelzhand Hard to miss. Registered User regular
    You just want to shake these people. Being right doesn't mean it's okay to be an asshole. If your response to "you are an asshole" is "yeah, but-", just stop. There is nothing you can say.

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    HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited August 2014
    A long time ago, I played an objectively awful MMO with no policy of silence on why banned people were banned. If they whined on the forums, they got an answer. Made for comedy gold on a regular basis, especially after patches.

    "Why was I banned? I was just in NK farming magic swords."
    "You said, and I quote, 'Fuck all you fucking whorebitches until you bleed there's no way I'm paying 5 mil for a FS.' and then proceeded to spam FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK in /s until the GM had to spawn a demon spire to shut you up."

    I can understand why most companies are hesitant to be that truthful, but there's so many times when it would be a good thing.

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    JormungandrJormungandr Registered User regular
    Hevach wrote: »
    I can understand why most companies are hesitant to be that truthful, but there's so many times when it would be a good thing.

    It might be confidentiality/privacy concerns? The EULA / common sense / etc. means that the company running the show has access to your chat logs, etc, but there may be additional potential issues that crop up if those chat logs can be posted publicly. It might be reasonable to post them publicly if the person is logged into their account and publicly asking why they were banned, but that's probably still something of a fine line, and some of the larger companies may want to avoid that quagmire entirely.

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    Descendant XDescendant X Skyrim is my god now. Outpost 31Registered User regular
    Is it weird that the last panel makes me feel strangely sad for this guy?

    Garry: I know you gentlemen have been through a lot, but when you find the time I'd rather not spend the rest of the winter TIED TO THIS FUCKING COUCH!
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    RaveBombRaveBomb Registered User regular
    I can understand why most companies are hesitant to be that truthful, but there's so many times when it would be a good thing.

    The biggest issue I can see is that by re-engaging you start the argument all over again, and now you've got to moderate them AGAIN. Not sure I see a way around that honestly.
    Is it weird that the last panel makes me feel strangely sad for this guy?
    Not really.

    I'm off to pirate more music, steal software, and knock down little old ladies, then later I'm going to cover my self in Yak's blood, and lay in a pentagram, while reading some Marxist literature and praying to a heathen god.

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    Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    It means that, unlike the person banned, you have empathy.

    I've gotten a lot of schadenfreude from players of one of my first MMOs who, inevitably, post to the forums claiming that they were banned for (say it with me) "no reason". Sometimes one of the devs (usually the one who goes by "Cephalopod", thus the community term "Cephalopwnd!" for when this happens) will respond, describing exactly what they did.

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    HevachHevach Registered User regular
    RaveBomb wrote: »
    I can understand why most companies are hesitant to be that truthful, but there's so many times when it would be a good thing.

    The biggest issue I can see is that by re-engaging you start the argument all over again, and now you've got to moderate them AGAIN. Not sure I see a way around that honestly.

    That game usually solved it by banning the person at the same time they post the reason. To be fair, at its peak the game claimed 10,000 accounts and I doubt they ever had half that many active players at any one time. A lot less legwork for the moderators when most of the time the game was a mostly abandoned wasteland.

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    LinktmLinktm Registered User regular
    On the flip side, it's funny how many players consider themselves "friendly and helpful, etc." but only when things are going good. When shit "gets real" and somebody is making mistakes, everyone thinks it's a perfect excuse to lose all your shit -50 DKP style. I don't know why this seems to be the case in online games, but it is.

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    JackdawGinJackdawGin Engineer New YorkRegistered User regular
    Is it weird that the last panel makes me feel strangely sad for this guy?

    The last panel made me sad too, but hopefully his look of sadness is the look that comes from realizing what you actually are to other people, and inspires change.

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    MarcinMNMarcinMN Registered User regular
    Is the origin story of that Lizard Squad guy? ;)

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    MuddBuddMuddBudd Registered User regular
    JackdawGin wrote: »
    Is it weird that the last panel makes me feel strangely sad for this guy?

    The last panel made me sad too, but hopefully his look of sadness is the look that comes from realizing what you actually are to other people, and inspires change.

    That last panel makes me feel all warm inside, like being next to a cozy fireplace, because it is the pain of an asshole who deserves it.

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    lowlylowlycooklowlylowlycook Registered User regular
    This reminds me of those "Why was I banned from from XBLA?" threads.

    I guess the main blessing of MOBAs is that there is no way to share pics of your genitals while playing them.

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    Twenty SidedTwenty Sided Registered User regular
    Is it weird that the last panel makes me feel strangely sad for this guy?

    I think that was an intentional goal on the part of M&J.

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    Twenty SidedTwenty Sided Registered User regular
    edited August 2014
    Linktm wrote: »
    On the flip side, it's funny how many players consider themselves "friendly and helpful, etc." but only when things are going good. When shit "gets real" and somebody is making mistakes, everyone thinks it's a perfect excuse to lose all your shit -50 DKP style. I don't know why this seems to be the case in online games, but it is.

    Basic psychology. People would rather write a flattering narrative of themselves than not.
    If you get angry, then you justify it after-the-fact.

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    ReiskaReiska Registered User regular
    edited August 2014
    Basic psychology. People would rather write a flattering narrative of themselves than not.

    And then there are those rare who would rather stick with a realism and honesty, even when themselves are in question.

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    AsharadAsharad Registered User regular
    I feel like this has an obvious answer, but what is the Penny Arcade R server?

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    Jam WarriorJam Warrior Registered User regular
    The Penny Arcade Report. The short (two year) lived gaming news site that got closed down back in December.

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    GaslightGaslight Registered User regular
    Reiska wrote: »
    Basic psychology. People would rather write a flattering narrative of themselves than not.

    And then there are those rare who would rather stick with a realism and honesty, even when themselves are in question.

    No, there's not.

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    GoofTroopGoofTroop Registered User regular
    I guess the main blessing of MOBAs is that there is no way to share pics of your genitals while playing them.

    not yet

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    RottonappleRottonapple Registered User regular
    I think Mike needs to talk to Katie, because those cats were way to easy to find.

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    marsiliesmarsilies Registered User regular
    I'm kinda bummed they're pulling down the PAR server, even though I've only looked at it once or twice since they brought it back up. It seems a shame those articles are just going to vanish.

    I'm assuming the discussion archive on the forum here will stay? Maybe they could move the articles to the first post of each of those threads?

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    ComradebotComradebot Lord of Dinosaurs Houston, TXRegistered User regular
    So thanks to this comic I've found myself, a person who has never played LoL and has zero interest in ever doing so, skimming over the LoL forums.


    There's just something incredibly satisfying in people proclaiming that they're not toxic or that they've never even used chat, only to have a moderator post chat logs of the OP screaming racial slurs and telling everyone to give him fellatio.

    If anything, I feel more online games should follow this approach. I don't know if it will curb bad behavior or not (probably not, public shaming rarely works), but who cares? It's more entertaining than HBO and it's free!

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    QuurzQuurz Registered User new member
    Oh please give this guy a chance...He looks so terrible sad and down in the last panel... =(

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    hibryd7hibryd7 Registered User regular
    That's not how it works at all. People are PROUD of their toxicity.
    There's some weird prison yard psychology to LoL. If I got banned, I'd have a certain relief that I've finally found that line and got kicked off the island.

    And I've been where the greenhaired man is at, with death threats and jaguars and all, and still haven't achieved his current state. I don't know why banning is so inefficient....it might have something to do with the fact that Riot fucking outsources its police work to the same shitty, juvenile middleschoolers they're trying to reform.

    The game itself is fun, but the community is just an entire generation of teenagers repeatedly screaming "UR TRASH", "*YOU'RE TRASH", point blank at each others faces after first blood. Literally the best thing they could do to improve the game would be to remove chatting altogether. I routinely mute every single person at the start of a match because the only thing you can count on is that the people are going to be terrible and unoriginal.

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    Zoku GojiraZoku Gojira Monster IslandRegistered User regular
    hibryd7 wrote: »
    Literally the best thing they could do to improve the game would be to remove chatting altogether. I routinely mute every single person at the start of a match because the only thing you can count on is that the people are going to be terrible and unoriginal.

    In fairness to MOBAs and MMOs, this is true of most online games. Some day, when everything is online and massively multi-this and competitive-that, a visionary will step forward, rediscover the single-player game like some kind of lost technology from a bygone age, and be fêted as a hero.

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    ReiskaReiska Registered User regular
    Gaslight wrote: »
    No, there's not.

    Sure there are, you just never met them. That is not a surprise, they get rarer each day. Sad that you haven't decided to be one.

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    GaslightGaslight Registered User regular
    Reiska wrote: »
    Gaslight wrote: »
    No, there's not.

    Sure there are, you just never met them.

    Still haven't.

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    Kid_BlueKid_Blue Registered User new member
    edited August 2014
    Quick guide to LoL:

    1. Before level 30, everyone's advice is wrong. Everyone's. You're learning on your own. Do what works, and don't listen to a single person if they don't like what you're doing. If someone gives you advice, ignore them, and continue doing what works. People will use acronyms that make no sense, probably don't even apply, and they will act like they know what they're talking about. They don't.

    2. When you play Blind Pick, ignore everyone. It's freaking Blind Pick, it doesn't mean anything, and anyone who says otherwise is wrong. If someone says "adc", don't ask what it means, because they won't do what it implies, anyway. What they mean to say is "bot", as in, they're calling bottom lane. Ignore them, too.

    3. Your success until level 30 is completely determined by whether or not the entirety of your team knows the rules yet. Beyond that, if you win, it's dumb luck. If you lose, it's dumb luck.

    4. Be supportive of your team. If someone's having trouble, assist them yourself. No matter how bad someone may play, short of intentionally feeding the other team, it's your job to assist them. Yours. Don't talk, just go where they are and assist them. If they continue to get killed, it's your fault.

    5. Hope the other team screws up more often than your team does.

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