Chincy I in no way mean to take away from the validity of your response to the game's content
But
I don't remember Ringabel at the beginning of the game being any worse than Johnny Bravo. Hell, tamer, even.
...have you seen Johnny Bravo lately?
Like in the last few years?
cause its super gross
like at least the joke is "haha this guy is weird", but no thank you
The last time I watched Johnny Bravo was.... God, I guess it was a long time ago
But I remember he'd come on to ladies super strong, just say some really terrible things, and then get hurt really, really badly, and his narcissism wouldn't let him process rejection as rejection
Like, the joke was that being like that will get you destroyed by life, which I thought was pretty great! Johnny Bravo taught people never to be like Johnny Bravo
Chincy I in no way mean to take away from the validity of your response to the game's content
But
I don't remember Ringabel at the beginning of the game being any worse than Johnny Bravo. Hell, tamer, even.
...have you seen Johnny Bravo lately?
Like in the last few years?
cause its super gross
like at least the joke is "haha this guy is weird", but no thank you
The last time I watched Johnny Bravo was.... God, I guess it was a long time ago
But I remember he'd come on to ladies super strong, just say some really terrible things, and then get hurt really, really badly, and his narcissism wouldn't let him process rejection as rejection
Like, the joke was that being like that will get you destroyed by life, which I thought was pretty great! Johnny Bravo taught people never to be like Johnny Bravo
I mean that's all fine
I still find both him and ringabel incredibly gross and absolutely do not want to play a game with them as a character
The fact that I hated two more of the four characters just sealed the deal
I think both Ringabel and Johnny Bravo are heroes because they persist in the pursuit of romantic relationships that shy nice guys like me have trouble with because women only want to date assholes.
I'm going to talk about Mother 3 for a minute, specifically with regards to what I think is the best love scene in video games, even though the two characters involved aren't looking at each other.
I guess the first thing that has to be said is that in the Mother games, music always says somehting, always has some meaning hidden between the notes. With some music, it's easy. With others, it's obscure. The meanign can be small, or enormous, or all kinds of things, but it's always there, every piece made to fit a specific moment or thought or feeling. You just have to know how to listen for it.
This song is used when Hinawa writes a letter to Flint in the very beginning of the game. She is in the mountains, miles away from their home village, visiting her father with her two children. Her father is boisterous and rude and perhaps a bit mean to Lucas, who is not as masculine as his brother, but he is Hinawa's father and he loves his grandchildren very much. She writes to Flint that they will be home that evening, and she misses him, and she and the boys and even her father all wished he had been there with him for this visit.
That she writes this letter to him is something, and says something: there are no phones in the world of Mother 3, not in the beginning, and every word spoken between Flint and Hinawa has been in person, often in earshot of their children. The distance that justifies the letter also justifies the intimacy of the written word, of speaking her thoughts unfiltered because only he will ever hear them. It is not a love letter she is writing, but it is a letter rooted in love, love for her family and for her husband, love she freely shares - for the most part, keeping some secret part just for him, who she loved first.
Mother games are important in one sense because they are not afraid to tell the player that it is now time to take a break, to relax, and to reflect on what they're seeing and hearing or have just seen and heard. Mother 2 did this most brazenly with its Saturn Coffee and Magic Cake sequences, sequences that went on for minutes, but Mother 3 is gentler: Hinawa's letter takes a minute to read, and the text scrolls by at a comfortable if leisurely pace. Listen, the game says, and reflect. You can feel the peace of the music, how it's written from a point of tranquility, and in those notes and those words you can hear the beating of Hinawa's heart, the enormity of love that we in our foolishness think of as being merely normal - because love isn't ever really normal, even when it's comfortable, and quiet, and expressed in carefully prepared meals and shirts stained by sweat from long days of work.
She puts the letter on a bird and releases it, and the bird carries the letter to Flint, because Tazmilly is that sort of place. Mother 3 takes place in that sort of world.
This is a cap sequence, taking place a little ways after Hinawa's sending, and the game has you sit through the letter again as Flint reads it, at the same leisurely pace that Hinawa wrote it. The music is different, too, because it's the music Flint hears, not Hinawa. The melody has been incorporated into a lullaby, an adult's composition through the instrumentation of childhood. In this letter Flint hears Hinawa's voice, and you can hear how he thinks of her - holding their sons, or talking together, or in the fundamental role that holds their family together.
You can hear how he loves her: how his love for her encompasses his love for his sons, because they are of her and he together, and he loves his children but he loved her first.
You can hear it, can't you? You can hear that she is his whole life, and all it takes to set off that chord in his heart is her words committed to paper, reaching out to him over a distance?
It's such a simple, quiet thing, this exchange, conveyed in a quiet and simple way, but it speaks to a love that's old and deep and huge and vibrant.
It's true that I am married now, and my understanding of love has changed over time, but I was not when I played Mother 3. It is in retrospect and with a deeper understanding of myself and what I'm able to read this scene this way, to see that it was crafted to speak to truths about certain kinds of deep, terrible loves.
Because that is one of the lessons of Mother 3, too, I think.
That love is not always strength.
Anyway
Mother 3 is a pretty good game with pretty good music
I'm going to talk about Mother 3 for a minute, specifically with regards to what I think is the best love scene in video games, even though the two characters involved aren't looking at each other.
I guess the first thing that has to be said is that in the Mother games, music always says somehting, always has some meaning hidden between the notes. With some music, it's easy. With others, it's obscure. The meanign can be small, or enormous, or all kinds of things, but it's always there, every piece made to fit a specific moment or thought or feeling. You just have to know how to listen for it.
This song is used when Hinawa writes a letter to Flint in the very beginning of the game. She is in the mountains, miles away from their home village, visiting her father with her two children. Her father is boisterous and rude and perhaps a bit mean to Lucas, who is not as masculine as his brother, but he is Hinawa's father and he loves his grandchildren very much. She writes to Flint that they will be home that evening, and she misses him, and she and the boys and even her father all wished he had been there with him for this visit.
That she writes this letter to him is something, and says something: there are no phones in the world of Mother 3, not in the beginning, and every word spoken between Flint and Hinawa has been in person, often in earshot of their children. The distance that justifies the letter also justifies the intimacy of the written word, of speaking her thoughts unfiltered because only he will ever hear them. It is not a love letter she is writing, but it is a letter rooted in love, love for her family and for her husband, love she freely shares - for the most part, keeping some secret part just for him, who she loved first.
Mother games are important in one sense because they are not afraid to tell the player that it is now time to take a break, to relax, and to reflect on what they're seeing and hearing or have just seen and heard. Mother 2 did this most brazenly with its Saturn Coffee and Magic Cake sequences, sequences that went on for minutes, but Mother 3 is gentler: Hinawa's letter takes a minute to read, and the text scrolls by at a comfortable if leisurely pace. Listen, the game says, and reflect. You can feel the peace of the music, how it's written from a point of tranquility, and in those notes and those words you can hear the beating of Hinawa's heart, the enormity of love that we in our foolishness think of as being merely normal - because love isn't ever really normal, even when it's comfortable, and quiet, and expressed in carefully prepared meals and shirts stained by sweat from long days of work.
She puts the letter on a bird and releases it, and the bird carries the letter to Flint, because Tazmilly is that sort of place. Mother 3 takes place in that sort of world.
This is a cap sequence, taking place a little ways after Hinawa's sending, and the game has you sit through the letter again as Flint reads it, at the same leisurely pace that Hinawa wrote it. The music is different, too, because it's the music Flint hears, not Hinawa. The melody has been incorporated into a lullaby, an adult's composition through the instrumentation of childhood. In this letter Flint hears Hinawa's voice, and you can hear how he thinks of her - holding their sons, or talking together, or in the fundamental role that holds their family together.
You can hear how he loves her: how his love for her encompasses his love for his sons, because they are of her and he together, and he loves his children but he loved her first.
You can hear it, can't you? You can hear that she is his whole life, and all it takes to set off that chord in his heart is her words committed to paper, reaching out to him over a distance?
It's such a simple, quiet thing, this exchange, conveyed in a quiet and simple way, but it speaks to a love that's old and deep and huge and vibrant.
It's true that I am married now, and my understanding of love has changed over time, but I was not when I played Mother 3. It is in retrospect and with a deeper understanding of myself and what I'm able to read this scene this way, to see that it was crafted to speak to truths about certain kinds of deep, terrible loves.
Because that is one of the lessons of Mother 3, too, I think.
That love is not always strength.
Anyway
Mother 3 is a pretty good game with pretty good music
we can't smooch here, we have space suits on
let's jetpack over to that conveniently abandoned FUCKIN' RADICAL red space shuttle with the dragon figurehead and then make out
Except when the time came for a loving embrace, Squall did his usual shit and ruined the whole thing.
Sorry guys but the greatest love scene of all times in jurps is the one between Elle and Fei in Xenogears
None of this is the love triangle between Locke and Celes and Rachel.
I really wanted this to be the case, but they stumbled heavily by the second half. For a good portion of it, Locke is just a straight-up asshole to Celes. Things looked to be improving, but they failed to stick the landing.
What was the explanation for why Tidus and Wakka could hold their breath for so damn long again?
Blitzball players train heavily to increase their time underwater. I believe 45 minutes was the longest an average player could hold their breath. In the Eternal Calm bonus video, Yuna is practicing this herself.
No it doesn't make much sense, but at least they tried to offer an explanation.
That's a very interesting interpretation of that scene, I'll give you that.
I think they did officially confirm that they were "having a moment" in that scene, just as they confirmed the same for Cloud and Tifa during their pivotal scene/best romantic moment ever (in an FF).
Also, having gone back to ff8 recently, Irvine's crisis of faith in himself during the assassination op is startlingly well done
I did not appreciate it nearly enough before
It's even better when you realize that it was all an act so that he wouldn't shoot Edea, since he remembered their time in the orphanage (and that she was their caretaker).
People can hold their breath longer in Spiral cos of.magic
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I find X dumb in a lot of ways, but holding your breath for really long was just surreal enough for me to find it cool. It's just something you can do in this world that opens up new environments and interactions.
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I can't believe I'm just now realizing Edea's name is a FF callback.
I tried so hard to play FFX because I heard so many great things about it, and I still thought it was really pretty given that I tried to play it last year.
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My only defense for Ringabel's early chapters is that it makes his change neat and you do get some understanding why he is the way he is
...have you seen Johnny Bravo lately?
Like in the last few years?
cause its super gross
like at least the joke is "haha this guy is weird", but no thank you
The last time I watched Johnny Bravo was.... God, I guess it was a long time ago
But I remember he'd come on to ladies super strong, just say some really terrible things, and then get hurt really, really badly, and his narcissism wouldn't let him process rejection as rejection
Like, the joke was that being like that will get you destroyed by life, which I thought was pretty great! Johnny Bravo taught people never to be like Johnny Bravo
I mean that's all fine
I still find both him and ringabel incredibly gross and absolutely do not want to play a game with them as a character
The fact that I hated two more of the four characters just sealed the deal
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Edea: Really. You managed to sucker some poor woman into going out with you. How'd that go?
Ringabel: She knocked me over the head and robbed me blind.
Edea: You don't say.
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Rootie tootie show ringabel the cuties
I really like how that game plays but boy I couldn't dislike the characters or story more
Because i sure as fuck can't forget it
jenny, oh jenny
joy, oh joy
I have that dvd
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Not going to fall for this one again
he uses it as a deflection tool because he can't figure out who or what he is, and he gets burned because of it
johnny bravo is just a narcissistic tool who is too dim-witted to understand why what he does is wrong
It goes even deeper into abandonment issues and insecurities about failing the only family that showed him compassion in his youth
Monster.
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The scene begins with A Letter to You, Honey.
This song is used when Hinawa writes a letter to Flint in the very beginning of the game. She is in the mountains, miles away from their home village, visiting her father with her two children. Her father is boisterous and rude and perhaps a bit mean to Lucas, who is not as masculine as his brother, but he is Hinawa's father and he loves his grandchildren very much. She writes to Flint that they will be home that evening, and she misses him, and she and the boys and even her father all wished he had been there with him for this visit.
That she writes this letter to him is something, and says something: there are no phones in the world of Mother 3, not in the beginning, and every word spoken between Flint and Hinawa has been in person, often in earshot of their children. The distance that justifies the letter also justifies the intimacy of the written word, of speaking her thoughts unfiltered because only he will ever hear them. It is not a love letter she is writing, but it is a letter rooted in love, love for her family and for her husband, love she freely shares - for the most part, keeping some secret part just for him, who she loved first.
Mother games are important in one sense because they are not afraid to tell the player that it is now time to take a break, to relax, and to reflect on what they're seeing and hearing or have just seen and heard. Mother 2 did this most brazenly with its Saturn Coffee and Magic Cake sequences, sequences that went on for minutes, but Mother 3 is gentler: Hinawa's letter takes a minute to read, and the text scrolls by at a comfortable if leisurely pace. Listen, the game says, and reflect. You can feel the peace of the music, how it's written from a point of tranquility, and in those notes and those words you can hear the beating of Hinawa's heart, the enormity of love that we in our foolishness think of as being merely normal - because love isn't ever really normal, even when it's comfortable, and quiet, and expressed in carefully prepared meals and shirts stained by sweat from long days of work.
She puts the letter on a bird and releases it, and the bird carries the letter to Flint, because Tazmilly is that sort of place. Mother 3 takes place in that sort of world.
And then
Then Flint receives the letter.
This is a cap sequence, taking place a little ways after Hinawa's sending, and the game has you sit through the letter again as Flint reads it, at the same leisurely pace that Hinawa wrote it. The music is different, too, because it's the music Flint hears, not Hinawa. The melody has been incorporated into a lullaby, an adult's composition through the instrumentation of childhood. In this letter Flint hears Hinawa's voice, and you can hear how he thinks of her - holding their sons, or talking together, or in the fundamental role that holds their family together.
You can hear how he loves her: how his love for her encompasses his love for his sons, because they are of her and he together, and he loves his children but he loved her first.
You can hear it, can't you? You can hear that she is his whole life, and all it takes to set off that chord in his heart is her words committed to paper, reaching out to him over a distance?
It's such a simple, quiet thing, this exchange, conveyed in a quiet and simple way, but it speaks to a love that's old and deep and huge and vibrant.
It's true that I am married now, and my understanding of love has changed over time, but I was not when I played Mother 3. It is in retrospect and with a deeper understanding of myself and what I'm able to read this scene this way, to see that it was crafted to speak to truths about certain kinds of deep, terrible loves.
Because that is one of the lessons of Mother 3, too, I think.
That love is not always strength.
Anyway
Mother 3 is a pretty good game with pretty good music
lol you sure got me bro
and he would be right
literally an attempted rapist
But the graphicz sux.
I did not appreciate it nearly enough before
Except when the time came for a loving embrace, Squall did his usual shit and ruined the whole thing.
I really wanted this to be the case, but they stumbled heavily by the second half. For a good portion of it, Locke is just a straight-up asshole to Celes. Things looked to be improving, but they failed to stick the landing.
Blitzball players train heavily to increase their time underwater. I believe 45 minutes was the longest an average player could hold their breath. In the Eternal Calm bonus video, Yuna is practicing this herself.
No it doesn't make much sense, but at least they tried to offer an explanation.
To this day, I keep trying to convince myself that it was.
I think they did officially confirm that they were "having a moment" in that scene, just as they confirmed the same for Cloud and Tifa during their pivotal scene/best romantic moment ever (in an FF).
It's even better when you realize that it was all an act so that he wouldn't shoot Edea, since he remembered their time in the orphanage (and that she was their caretaker).
Yes. I enjoyed this thread.
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