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[STO] Star Trek Online: Save the galaxy. Or don't, the battlezone is bugged.

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  • Operative21Operative21 Registered User regular
    Hevach wrote:

    Escort actually looks pretty nice to me, cruiser still has the weird nacelles I don't care for. The science vessel looks really unfinished, though, with some weird clipping in the nacelles.
    I think it's the angle the science ship picture was taken from. I suspect the front part of the nacelles are actually underneath the saucer.

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    the nacelles are phase shifted

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  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited September 2014
    The nacelles on the black version are canard-style, with the front end integrated into the saucer. And, yeah, you can see the clipping plane slanting from the inside to the outside of the saucer - it's the cruiser's nacelle just awkwardly cut in there.





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    Item upgrading. I was very worried they would go deep into pay to win territory here, since some MMOs have just obscenely monetized upgrading systems, but, well...


    TL;DR version:
    Upgarde packs give TP and RP. TP is a straight up level bar that increases the items mk level up to XIV. RP increases the chance each upgrade of increasing quality as high as Epic (a new level above ultra-rare). Mk upgrades are guaranteed fixed goals, and quality upgrades are random, but become more likely with attempts rather than the sort of crap I'm used to seeing in F2P games.

    Upgrade packs are craftable (right now on tribble they're basically *the* way to level crafting - cheaper than crafting an item, 10 minute timer, and almost as much xp as a 20 hour research project). On tribble they're currently dropping on elite difficulty standard content and in advanced/elite queues.

    Could be better, but not awful (tentatively depending on how RP works). Also the upgrade pack crafting on tribble has basically fixed the R&D leveling thing.

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  • CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    Hrm. I am not a fan of the new ships, they're blocky and ugly. I am also looking to buy a cool ship and i dunno if these new level 60 ships change anything on that front. I don't want to buy the galaxy bundle and find it's made obsolete by the new ships and the level cap rising.

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  • MordrackMordrack Registered User regular
    The best advice would be to not buy any ships now or for the foreseeable future. Until the other section type ships, unless intelligence is really what you're gonna want, and fleet versions of the tier 6 ships are a thing.

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  • CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    Mordrack wrote: »
    The best advice would be to not buy any ships now or for the foreseeable future. Until the other section type ships, unless intelligence is really what you're gonna want, and fleet versions of the tier 6 ships are a thing.

    Oh well, the longer i wait the more dilithium i get and the cheaper it'll be.

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  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited September 2014
    Casual wrote: »
    Hrm. I am not a fan of the new ships, they're blocky and ugly. I am also looking to buy a cool ship and i dunno if these new level 60 ships change anything on that front. I don't want to buy the galaxy bundle and find it's made obsolete by the new ships and the level cap rising.

    Right now, they're not really obsolete. A 9-console tier 5 ship upgrades to be identical to a tier 6 ship minus one boff power, and a fleet ship upgrades to minus one boff power but plus one console and +10% hull/shields. There will be tier 6 fleet ships with those pluses and the extra boff power, but supposedly not at launch.

    The big thing that keeps upgraded tier 5 ships in the running is versatility. With only 8 tier 6 ships, half of which are Fed, there's just not a lot of niche coverage with tier 6 ships. They're in the same position that the Odyssey and Bortasqu were back when they were the only 10 console ships - technically superior, but not covering most roles. They never really broke out of that until 90% of other ships just got a 10 console version and took away the "technically" part.

    I'd wait until we have the Guardian-class cruiser stats on the Galaxy bundle. The description of it is as a traditional Starfleet cruiser (so probably no hangar and no cannons) but "versatility" could mean a lot of things, like "tac LTC" and "4 tac consoles," both of which are things the Galaxy-X really wishes it had.

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  • ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit I'm a good person yes it's trueRegistered User regular
    It's still wise to wait and see regardless. You have an OG Odyssey to work with in the meantime anyhow.

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  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited September 2014
    Here's something fun... At level 56, NPC frigates on elite difficulty have almost as much hp as level 50 elite battleships of the same faction. I had a Malon frigate eat my entire alpha strike without losing a shield arc... then pop RSP and hazard emitters and wipe it back out. I figured it was just Malon, they're bulkier than Voth ships but without the invincibility shields. Then I tried the same thing on a Kazon ship that has no special powers, and barely dented its shields with a 30k beam overload.

    This is how you fix power creep.

    Edit: After dropping to normal, the crazy power curve seems limited to elite. Repeating a mission where I dealt with three 175k frigates I run into battleships with less and frigates with 60k or so that pop to a good beam overload. Getting battleships topping out at 200k, which is a far cry from the 450-500k Hazari fuck-yous I was running into on elite.


    Edit 2: There are not enough facepalms for this screenshot.
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  • ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit I'm a good person yes it's trueRegistered User regular
    edited September 2014
    it's the Doctor Nurse!

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  • CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    Can you imagine the doctors ego outrage at being relegated to being a nurse?

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  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    Robert Picardo might just slap a bitch if he knew that. He was already pretty pissed that they gave newSpock the EMH Mk IV part in the tutorial.

  • MagicPrimeMagicPrime Designated Wizard Registered User regular
    Hevach wrote: »
    Robert Picardo might just slap a bitch if he knew that. He was already pretty pissed that they gave newSpock the EMH Mk IV part in the tutorial.

    Should have been Andy Dick.

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  • AcharenusAcharenus Registered User regular
    MagicPrime wrote: »
    Hevach wrote: »
    Robert Picardo might just slap a bitch if he knew that. He was already pretty pissed that they gave newSpock the EMH Mk IV part in the tutorial.

    Should have been Andy Dick.

    They want people to enjoy playing the game, not induce murderous rage.

  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited September 2014
    Yeah, they should have thought of that before bringing Neelix back.

    Also, after meeting him on the Kobali homeworld, Harry Kim looks a fucking LOT like Kim Jong Un. As a nice touch, though, even though he's the main allied contact in the zone, he deferred to players in dialog rather than giving orders, even asking permission to speak out of turn. In one conversation, you can even tell him no. It makes him talk a lot more, but at least you tried.

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  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited September 2014
    Shipwank! Just in case the 4:2:2 ratio didn't make sufficiently clear that Feds are getting way more ships as always, a new tier 6 ship was added to the Operations Pack making it 5:2:2.
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    Cryptic's new LCARS thing for blog images is apparently integrated into the images just to ruin these shipwank posts of mine.

    But, yeah, we kind of knew this was coming, and their explanation is... Not the worst it could be. The specifications of the original were recovered from the ruins of Species 116 and recreated to play with the whole particle synthesis thing.

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  • Operative21Operative21 Registered User regular
    Oh wow, I was reading the latest news post for STO regarding the new game difficulties. Then I noticed the post was made by Matt Miller (aka "Positron" former lead game designer for City of Heroes). I guess he joined back up with Cryptic after CoX went offline.

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  • tricontricon Registered User regular
    Oh wow, I was reading the latest news post for STO regarding the new game difficulties. Then I noticed the post was made by Matt Miller (aka "Positron" former lead game designer for City of Heroes). I guess he joined back up with Cryptic after CoX went offline.

    He did, last year he worked on the Fed & Klingon tutorials for the Romulus Expansion and IMO he did a good job with it....

    mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm/loadFeature/8072/My-Year-in-Review.html


    BTW if you need room for the Fed & Klingon PA fleet, feel free to kick my chars from it. As a altoholic with so many chars and ships the new upgrade ship/item system gives me a major headache. Enough to uninstall the game, have fun, I am out.....




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  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    Now HERE'S some proper shipwank. Sneak peak at the Guardian-class Cruiser:
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    Resembles Probert's Ambassador from the Ships of the Line calendars, mixed with some Odyssey stylings in the nacelles and the sweeping V shape on the saucer.

    Apparently this is either not the awkward top-heavy ship briefly seen in the last FE, or it's seen a lot of design iteration.

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  • MordrackMordrack Registered User regular
    I'm surprised. That actually doesn't look god-awful.

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  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited September 2014
    All the non-intel ships seem to be in the default styles Cryptic uses for each faction. Now it's just waiting for that Romulan ship, which looks like it could be pretty awkward looking.

    Also, major tribble spoiler on the "real" big bad:
    The Vaadwaur don't work for the Iconians, they've been taken over by the Bluegills, who actually appear as an enemy group.

    I have to say, this was a really big shock to me. I figured with seasons 8 and 9 both being departures from the Iconian storyline, and the big Iconian reveal in the last FE, that they'd take a more central role in Delta Rising, and the Vaadwaur's similar history makes them a no-brainer as a Servitor. But, nope, they dug out the abandoned original form of the Borg and brought it back.

    Kudos on you, Cryptic, just a big ol' gold star. Unless the level 59 mission pulls an M Night Shyamalan twist and it turns out that the Vaadwar are enslaved by the Bluegills who are enslaved by the Elachi who are enslaved by the Iconians because.... just... goddamnit it's going to do that isn't it? The Elachi were in the trailer, they've got to be in here somewhere, right?

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  • BasilBasil Registered User regular
    edited September 2014
    hahaha! Awesome. I didn't think they'd go in that direction.

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  • SeriouslySeriously Registered User regular
    I figured it was just a matter of time


    and what the hell? go nuts

    as long as they leave my beloved whale probe alone

    Basil
  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Man that guardian cruiser is a pretty ship, very very pretty.

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  • Operative21Operative21 Registered User regular
    I really wanna get a look at the Aelahl warbird. The general description of it in the delta operations pack sounds like exactly what I'm looking for in terms of a cruiser-style warbird.

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  • shanisshanis LT, US Navy Virginia, USARegistered User regular
    The name of this thread should probably have been "Talk to Loot Critter"

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  • SnicketysnickSnicketysnick Boy Detective RiverdaleRegistered User regular
    edited September 2014
    There is a ships blog out with some stats on the t6 stuff here. I am seriously considering picking up a Guardian at some point now, if like me you were a bit suspicious of all the screenshots being shot from the front/underside, check this one out becdc0e7711c82eee63ed3f24c347ba01411431366.png
    She's pretty good looking from the back as well! Really like the nacelle design, but I wish they had more ships with the Thunderchild-style ones.

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  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited September 2014
    Everything's very tac heavy. Though I guess with two LTC stations, that's a lot easier to do than it used to be.

    I'm getting worried about the Aelahl's looks, though. This picture isn't too bad:
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    But it's hard to see how goofy the wings look from this angle (the way the top wings join the hull at the back, while the bottom wings join it just behind the neck), and the other two pictures are of its trait and console powers and don't show the ship.

    It... kind of feels like Cryptic doesn't want us to get a good look at this one, which makes me worry.

    Still, stat wise it's pretty sexy. A warbird cruiser with a decent turn rate. Probably on the smaller side, too, but 1000 crew is still a hefty ship. I don't mind huge, though, as long as it doesn't come with immobile like the Ha'apax.

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  • Operative21Operative21 Registered User regular
    edited September 2014
    Honestly the look of the Aelahl doesn't bother me. Maybe that will change once I get a look at it from other angles, but this screenshot and the concept art certainly appeal to me. Plus that automatic warp shadow ability when it cloaks sounds like it could be fun.

    She's pretty good looking from the back as well! Really like the nacelle design, but I wish they had more ships with the Thunderchild-style ones.

    Yeah, I actually like the design of the back portion of it's hull. Makes me think of a galaxy class ship with a hull that is more proportional to the size of its saucer section, and the nacelles actually look better to me from this angle than they did in the previous screenshots. Also, is it just me, or are those some sort of mini-nacelles on the wings connecting the nacelles to the hull?

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  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited September 2014
    They are. In the earlier teaser pictures, I thought those were impulse engines (a few ships have blue impulse glows instead of red in the shows, and STO has picked up on that a few times), but in the newer shots you can see there's red impulse glows on each side of it, and the red glow visible from the front isn't just shining "over" the pylons, but at the front.

    Dev blog is up for the post-50 leveling system, and... Well, I like it.

    Goes past level 60, you keep gaining exp and filling the level bar, you just don't gain levels. When you've maxed all the specializations available* all new exp you gain is converted into dilithium.

    http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/7007273


    *- at launch, that's 60 level bars worth of exp (~2.5 million after the 350k or so needed for 60), based on some assumptions that I can't test until the system is on tribble) for the one primary and two secondary paths - you can only have one of each active at a time, but can switch. Like reputations, this is a moving goalpost, since they're planning to add more of these in future seasons.

    Post-50, mission exp is tanked, too, so this comes the hard way: Killing shit. Killing shit exp was not nerfed, and was actually buffed on advanced and elite (except fighting battleships on elite feels like giving yourself a root canal while chewing ice cubes).

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  • SnicketysnickSnicketysnick Boy Detective RiverdaleRegistered User regular
    I suppose if WoW is going to steal Doffing and starbases (at least at a personal level) then it is only fair to steal Paragon levels from Diablo :)

    I hadn't really noticed those little nacelles on the back of the Guardian, seems a little odd, but I think other ships have them? Maybe the Vesta...or I am just thinking of something else.

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  • AcharenusAcharenus Registered User regular
    Looks like I'll be sticking with my scimitar for the foreseeable future...not that I'm complaining to much just wish like most other ships that it's appearance was anywhere near as customizable as outfits are.

  • Operative21Operative21 Registered User regular
    Hevach wrote:
    Dev blog is up for the post-50 leveling system, and... Well, I like it.

    Goes past level 60, you keep gaining exp and filling the level bar, you just don't gain levels. When you've maxed all the specializations available* all new exp you gain is converted into dilithium.

    http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/7007273


    *- at launch, that's 60 level bars worth of exp (~2.5 million after the 350k or so needed for 60), based on some assumptions that I can't test until the system is on tribble) for the one primary and two secondary paths - you can only have one of each active at a time, but can switch. Like reputations, this is a moving goalpost, since they're planning to add more of these in future seasons.

    Post-50, mission exp is tanked, too, so this comes the hard way: Killing shit. Killing shit exp was not nerfed, and was actually buffed on advanced and elite (except fighting battleships on elite feels like giving yourself a root canal while chewing ice cubes).

    Oh wow....yeah, I am so on board with this setup. It'll be nice to have something to advance in the game other than just acquiring new ships/equipment to mess around with.

    You know I just had a thought regarding the guardian cruiser. Just how big is it relative to the other cruisers? I'm curious as to how it compares size-wise to the Odyssey class cruisers.

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    It gives me a very Ambassador vibe, which is good

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  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    Based on its 1100 crew and terribad turn rate I'm thinking comparable to Galaxy size.

  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited September 2014
    Item upgrade is going live tomorrow (only partially - you can upgrade as far as mk XIII and ultra-rare, XIV and epic are gated until the expansion), and they're doing three weekend events in a row to give a free head start.

    Each weekend for the three weeks until the expansion, there'll be a contact on ESD/Quo'nos/NR Command, who'll give you a batch of free tech upgrades and a major accelerator for free.

    The cynic in me sees this and thinks Cryptic is trying to get us to blow some dilithium before the expansion. The rest of me is arguing about whether I should upgrade my DBB or my cannons first.

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  • Operative21Operative21 Registered User regular
    I'm kinda curious to try upgrading some items that previously weren't available in MkXII, like the elachi crescent cannons, or the rapid reload transphasic torps.

  • HerothHeroth Registered User regular
    Do we know if we can upgrade 'set' items? like the jem'hadar set?

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  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    Heroth wrote: »
    Do we know if we can upgrade 'set' items? like the jem'hadar set?

    Yes. It basically negates the lobi upgrade. Everything from reps R&D or holdings, all randomized stock loot, all unique mission rewards, most level-scaling items (the automatic scaling stops at mk XII). No kits or kit modules, no hangars.

  • HerothHeroth Registered User regular
    Hevach wrote: »
    Heroth wrote: »
    Do we know if we can upgrade 'set' items? like the jem'hadar set?

    Yes. It basically negates the lobi upgrade. Everything from reps R&D or holdings, all randomized stock loot, all unique mission rewards, most level-scaling items (the automatic scaling stops at mk XII). No kits or kit modules, no hangars.

    Hmm... i wonder how much the upgrade from XI to XII will cost... will it be comparable to 200 lobi? probably not... oh well, although i could've brought the ground set for the costume unlock instead but thats apparently going to be sold in the future anyway...

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