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[GUST] Games. Going all in with All-Star Atelier, Nelke out late March 2019, Lulua in May.

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  • KamarKamar Registered User regular
    Quiotu wrote: »
    Kamar wrote: »
    I really liked AT1, and love AT2 wholly disproportionate to how good it may actually be, so I'm sure I'll at least enjoy AT3 and probably will love it.

    I'm thinking about it, and I can't think of anything that even contends with AT2 for 'favorite JRPG' in my head.

    I liked AT2 with one caveat. It was the only game where I couldn't get myself to like either of the two main girls. Their back and forth for most of the game I think hurt their personalities more than it fleshed it out. Great game, but Jaqli all the way.

    Well, of course.

    Besides, they go together better with each other than with Croix.

  • QuiotuQuiotu Registered User regular
    I'm way behind on Atelier, haven't finished Firis, own but haven't touched Lydie & Suelle yet. Looks like in the next 6 months we'll be getting two new Atelier games, both games involving an all-star cast.

    March 26 we get Nelke & the Legendary Alchemists: Ateliers of the New World. This looks to be Gust's foray into Atelier fan fiction in the best way possible. You play a newly graduated alchemist in a new land that pretty much has returning characters from EVERY series, including ones that didn't even make it to the West. Pretty much every alchemist and important character returns from Salberg, Gramnad, Iris, Mana Khemia, Arland, Dusk and Mysterious series. I might be more interested in this than anything else, if they do this properly. From the sound of the title, this is more than likely a spin off, and not part of the numbered series... but I could be wrong.



    Then in May we get another all-star game, but on a smaller scale. Atelier Lulua: The Scion of Arland is a continuation of the Arland trilogy. This time you're playing Elmerulia Frixell (Lulua), who is Rorona's daughter... though the father they're being rather hush-hush about. Many returning characters from the Arland trilogy come back, including all three alchemists, Sterk, Piana from the Frontier Village, Liona, and of course... Mimi.



    Gonna start working through Firis in earnest next week while stuck at training. Still not sure how I feel about them suddenly rehashing series right after they start to cut costs with localization. Kinda smells like they're not wanting to spend as much budget on worldbuilding anymore. It's not a bad thing, it's just... odd to see after having a pattern for the series for over 20 years running.

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  • SwashbucklerXXSwashbucklerXX Swashbucklin' Canuck Registered User regular
    I think I'll just end up skipping Firis and L&S, but these two new games sound very fun. I don't mind them going back to Arland at all... but they'd better not chicken out and fail to tell us who the daddy is! I'm rooting for Iksel... the hair colour checks out, after all. Not that hair colour is necessarily heritable in JRPG-land, but I like Rorona+Iksel.

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  • Mr. AlienMr. Alien Registered User new member
    I think I'll just end up skipping Firis and L&S, but these two new games sound very fun. I don't mind them going back to Arland at all... but they'd better not chicken out and fail to tell us who the daddy is! I'm rooting for Iksel... the hair colour checks out, after all. Not that hair colour is necessarily heritable in JRPG-land, but I like Rorona+Iksel.

    You know as well as I do that is not going to happen.

    Lulua is adopted.

  • SwashbucklerXXSwashbucklerXX Swashbucklin' Canuck Registered User regular
    Don't ruin my dreams!

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  • DonnictonDonnicton Hey it's me, your old pal Movie Sonic - let me in. LEMME IN. Registered User regular
    They've flat out said Rorona is her mother in interviews, but given Gust has very conspicuously avoided any kind of romance in Atelier series games ever since entering the PS3 generation it wouldn't necessarily surprise me if they did the last minute dodge and meant "not biological mother though" by the time the game actually comes out. (gotta keep the waifus virginal so the otakus don't get mad)

  • Mr. AlienMr. Alien Registered User new member
    Donnicton wrote: »
    gotta keep the waifus virginal so the otakus don't get mad

    Romance has always never been a thing in the franchise ever since the very first thing. Elie and Lilie outright had some dating sim elements, but the canon path has the protags not caring about that while focusing 100% on alchemy.

    It's exemplified in one of the events in Elie where the protag is asked what her dream is. You have a choice between becoming rich, starting a warm family, and perfecting the art of alchemy. The second answer gives you a point towards romance while the third one gives you a point towards the true ending. And throughout the game, there are other similar choices where the romance option and the true end option are mutually exclusive.

  • DonnictonDonnicton Hey it's me, your old pal Movie Sonic - let me in. LEMME IN. Registered User regular
    edited February 15
    Mr. Alien wrote: »
    Donnicton wrote: »
    gotta keep the waifus virginal so the otakus don't get mad

    Romance has always never been a thing in the franchise ever since the very first thing. Elie and Lilie outright had some dating sim elements, but the canon path has the protags not caring about that while focusing 100% on alchemy.

    It's exemplified in one of the events in Elie where the protag is asked what her dream is. You have a choice between becoming rich, starting a warm family, and perfecting the art of alchemy. The second answer gives you a point towards romance while the third one gives you a point towards the true ending. And throughout the game, there are other similar choices where the romance option and the true end option are mutually exclusive.

    What Gust chose as the "true" end doesn't matter, the fact is that the option exists. The Iris games had it a bit more overtly as part of the story but they did the usual anime "beat around the bush the entire story and then never resolve it" routine... for all three of them. Mana Khemia 1 was more overt in their romances to varying degrees by the end, peaking with the Nicole and Vayne ending and their like four or five children. (I don't... really want to remember Muppy's ending...)

    I haven't played Mana Khemia 2(I have it, but haven't been motivated enough to dig out a PS2 for it) but I know the basic ending beats and the endings for Raze and the female characters are mostly romantic as well.

    Once they got into the PS3 era games they dropped any concept of romance entirely from then on. Not withstanding Esty's man-hungry laments regarding trying to find a husband before she reaches the dreaded 3-0(gasp), but it's never a plot point directly touched on in any way other than comedic effect. (fast forward to Meruru she's now 40 and still unmarried and given up on trying to find romance)

    Donnicton on
  • Mr. AlienMr. Alien Registered User new member
    Donnicton wrote: »
    Mr. Alien wrote: »
    Once they got into the PS3 era games they dropped any concept of romance entirely from then on. Not withstanding Esty's man-hungry laments regarding trying to find a husband before she reaches the dreaded 3-0(gasp), but it's never a plot point directly touched on in any way other than comedic effect. (fast forward to Meruru she's now 40 and still unmarried and given up on trying to find romance)

    Not really. You say just an option is fine. So I give you the Sterk ending in Rorona. Not to mention how Sterk and Rorona interact in Totori and how you can almost read it as a one-sided attraction by Sterk, though it's nowhere near as blatant as Kreis' unrequited crush towards Marie in Elie (though both are equally hilarious). I like how Elie wouldn't be able to continue that subplot when she doesn't have enough "interested in romance" flags, meaning she's too oblivious to love so she can't mediate the two.

    And in MK, you only got the romance shoved to you at the ending without actually it being a plot in the game itself. Similar to how Rorona did it actually. While Elie actually has a love triangle subplot you can embark if you take that route (which, of course, remains non-canon).

    Also, it's not wise bringing up Iris and MK since they're so far away from mainline Atelier in the first place.

    And Rorona is too dumb to have a proper romance anyways. Totori outright says married life isn't for her in Meruru, and Meruru is too much of a tomboy to care.

    But honestly, you give any notion of romance and the fanbase just runs with it. There are so many shipping fics for the Salburg games out there, canon be damned. Same with Sterk/Rorona. And I never really liked that.

  • DonnictonDonnicton Hey it's me, your old pal Movie Sonic - let me in. LEMME IN. Registered User regular
    Oh that's where we're going with this, your examples count because you say so, but my examples don't count...because you say so.

    Nah I don't really have a dog in this race to the extent that I'd care to get heated over the concept like this. If Lulua turns out to be adopted, sure great. If she's Rorona's real daughter, sure great. Just bring the game to market already.

  • Mr. AlienMr. Alien Registered User new member
    Donnicton wrote: »
    Just bring the game to market already.

    May isn't that far away though obviously you can look up spoilers right away when it came out on March in Japan.

  • SwashbucklerXXSwashbucklerXX Swashbucklin' Canuck Registered User regular
    In all seriousness, I don't really mind the general lack of romance in the Atelier games. I enjoy that they're mostly about girl power and friendship and stuff. The direction they took with Esty in Meruru annoyed me, because she's friggin' awesome and absolutely does not need to be all obsessed with marriage.

    But sometimes it's ok not to beat around the bush. We all know Escha and Logy are a thing, geez Gust.

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  • Mr. AlienMr. Alien Registered User new member
    In all seriousness, I don't really mind the general lack of romance in the Atelier games. I enjoy that they're mostly about girl power and friendship and stuff. The direction they took with Esty in Meruru annoyed me, because she's friggin' awesome and absolutely does not need to be all obsessed with marriage.

    She's already been obsessed with it ever since Rorona. It just got worse in Meruru. You know she originally left her receptionist job in Totori to go look for a husband, until she eventually gave up and ended up working with Gio.

    I find it hilarious myself.
    But sometimes it's ok not to beat around the bush. We all know Escha and Logy are a thing, geez Gust.

    Judging by their events in Shallie, it's more like Escha liking him and he being oblivious about it.

    Personally, I never really liked their interaction that much in EL. Another reason why I think that game is the worst out of the Dusk trilogy. Playing it, I just keep thinking that I'd rather be with Ayesha instead.

  • PLAPLA The process.Registered User regular
    Too many Blanchimont with Blanchimont Blue and basic Blanchimont in DLC.

  • QuiotuQuiotu Registered User regular
    I always just figured that to keep with the idea of the setting and alchemy in the Arland trilogy, it's not out of the question for Lulua to be a perfected Homonculus.

    That would at least be a way for them to not worry about the baby daddy issue.

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  • Mr. AlienMr. Alien Registered User new member
    Quiotu wrote: »
    I always just figured that to keep with the idea of the setting and alchemy in the Arland trilogy, it's not out of the question for Lulua to be a perfected Homonculus.

    That would at least be a way for them to not worry about the baby daddy issue.

    More like an ancient homunculus, with how the plot of the game is.

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