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[nfl] THIS THREAD IS AS DEAD AS YOUR TEAMS PLAYOFF HOPES!

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  • ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit I'm a good person yes it's trueRegistered User regular
    Veevee wrote: »
    ObiFett wrote: »
    Veevee wrote: »
    Detroit has the overall best set of players in the nfc north, no question. Maybe top 3 in the nfl. The Team though is top15, top 10 on a generous day, due to coaching and front office staff. I think they could go into Seattle and shut them down, but I also feel they could just as easily lose a game to tampa bay in detroit. Betting any money on a game they play is a fools errand, especially with so little reward for the risk.

    Hahahahahah. No.

    Secondaries remain a thing.

    They started with one of the weakest secondaries in the NFL

    And since the start of the season they've experienced injuries exclusively in that weak part of their lineup

    Just wait, this weekend that secondary will look like like the best secondary in NFL. I just know it.
    I have Rodgers and Cobb on the same fantasy team

    Woo Rodgers Cobb five

    fuck gendered marketing
  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    If that ESPN report is accurate, Rog is probably good and fucked.
    Just hours after running back Ray Rice knocked out his then-fiancée with a left hook at the Revel Hotel Casino in Atlantic City, New Jersey, the Baltimore Ravens' director of security, Darren Sanders, reached an Atlantic City police officer by phone. While watching surveillance video -- shot from inside the elevator where Rice's punch knocked his fiancée unconscious -- the officer, who told Sanders he just happened to be a Ravens fan, described in detail to Sanders what he was seeing.

    Sanders quickly relayed the damning video's play-by-play to team executives in Baltimore, unknowingly starting a seven-month odyssey that has mushroomed into the biggest crisis confronting a commissioner in the NFL's 95-year history.

    "Outside the Lines" interviewed more than 20 sources over the past 11 days -- team officials, current and former league officials, NFL Players Association representatives and associates, advisers and friends of Rice -- and found a pattern of misinformation and misdirection employed by the Ravens and the NFL since that February night.

    [...]

    The Ravens also consulted frequently with Rice's Philadelphia defense attorney, Michael J. Diamondstein, who in early April had obtained a copy of the inside-elevator video and told Cass: "It's f---ing horrible." Cass did not request a copy of the video from Diamondstein but instead began urging Rice's legal team to get Rice accepted into a pretrial intervention program after being told some of the program's benefits. Among them: It would keep the inside-elevator video from becoming public.

    For its part, the NFL -- which in other player discipline cases has been able to obtain information that's been sealed by court order -- took an uncharacteristically passive approach when it came to gathering evidence, opening itself up to widespread criticism, allegations of inconsistent approaches to player discipline and questions about whether Goodell gave Rice -- the corporate face of the Baltimore franchise -- a light punishment as a favor to his good friend Bisciotti. Four sources said Ravens executives, including Bisciotti, Cass and Newsome, urged Goodell and other league executives to give Rice no more than a two-game suspension, and that's what Goodell did on July 24.

    [...]

    When evidence of it [ed:the elevator footage] surfaced anyway, the NFL and the Ravens quickly shifted gears and simultaneously attempted to pin the blame on Rice and his alleged lack of truthfulness with Goodell about what had happened inside the elevator.

    [...]

    Last week, Goodell told CBS News that, during the disciplinary meeting, Rice provided an "ambiguous" account of what had happened inside the elevator. And in its Sept. 12 letter justifying the indefinite suspension, the league said Rice's account was "starkly different" from what was seen on the inside-elevator video. Four sources, however, told "Outside the Lines" that Rice gave Goodell a truthful account that he struck his fiancée. Furthermore, it would seem that if Rice had given an "ambiguous" account, sources say Goodell had even more incentive to try to obtain a copy of the in-elevator video to clear up any lingering questions. But he did not do that. "For you not to have seen the video is inexcusable," a league source told "Outside the Lines." "Because everybody was under the impression that you had."

    [...]

    Bisciotti and the team released a letter to Ravens season-ticket holders contending that the team had not seen the video until the morning of Sept. 8, when TMZ released it to the public, and that they found it "violent and horrifying" and had voted unanimously to release Rice. Bisciotti also stated that the team would be donating $600,000 to the House of Ruth, the Baltimore shelter for battered women. Rice and his friends read the letter with barely concealed contempt and disgust. "I think a lot of people were quick to say 'Oh what a stand-up guy,'" Jakobe said. "I think if you look at it objectively, it's a massive cover-up attempt."

    Minutes later, Rice's phone buzzed. He could scarcely believe what he was looking at-- back-to-back text messages from Bisciotti. Rice read them aloud so everyone in the room could hear them:

    Hey Ray, just want to let you know, we loved you as a player, it was great having you here. Hopefully all these things are going to die down. I wish the best for you and Janay.

    When you're done with football, I'd like you to know you have a job waiting for you with the Ravens helping young guys getting acclimated to the league.

    Rice was flabbergasted. One minute Bisciotti and the Ravens were essentially calling him a liar, the next Bisciotti was quietly offering him a job? Rice took a screen shot of the message, but Jakobe reminded him that anyone could send the text and simply change the name in the contacts to "Steve Bisciotti" to make it appear it had come from the Ravens owner. So Rice deleted Bisciotti's name in his contacts and took a second screen shot of his phone, leaving only the message and the cellphone number. That way there could be no denying who had sent it. "I saw the text; [friend] Courtney Greene saw the text; and Ray actually read it out loud to us," Jakobe said. "I saw it probably more than anybody." One of Rice's friends provided the text's content to "Outside the Lines," which confirmed through two independent sources that the number listed belongs to a cellphone regularly used by Bisciotti. A few days later, after thinking about it more, Rice told friends he believed Bisciotti was suggesting that, as long as he kept quiet and stuck to the story that he had misled team officials and Goodell about what had happened in the elevator, the Ravens would take care of him down the road. He felt incredibly insulted.

    [...]

    The league would eventually defend the indefinite suspension by saying Rice gave a "starkly different" account on June 16 from what Goodell watched on the TMZ inside-elevator video. But the Ravens have had difficulty sticking to that storyline. On Sept. 10, Bisciotti, Newsome and Cass granted a lengthy interview to The Sun, explaining why the second video "changed everything" and led to Rice's immediate release. But when asked by the Sun whether the video matched what Rice had told them months earlier, Newsome conceded that it had. "You know, Ray had given a story to John [Harbaugh] and I," Newsome said. "And what we saw on the video was what Ray said. Ray didn't lie to me. He didn't lie to me."

    Right, proper, fucked.

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  • oldmankenoldmanken Registered User regular
    It's going to take a major sponsor dropping the NFL in order for Goodell to get fired, and that feels unlikely. All these corporate f***ers are cut from the same asshole cloth...

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  • No-QuarterNo-Quarter Registered User regular
    Is it ironic that, if that article is true, that Rice is a victim in this too? And can and should sue the hell out the NFL for essentially punishing him twice for the same transgression once they knew their cover-up was blown?

    Does that make sense?

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  • So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User, Moderator mod
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Is it ironic that, if that article is true, that Rice is a victim in this too? And can and should sue the hell out the NFL for essentially punishing him twice for the same transgression once they knew their cover-up was blown?

    Does that make sense?

    I know it's very weird, but they even did him wrong ultimately

  • ShadowenShadowen Snores in the morning Registered User regular
    It sounds very weird to say that a wife-beater was made a scapegoat for his own crime but that's essentially what happened.

    Elvenshae
  • hippofanthippofant ティンク Registered User regular
    The most surprising thing about that article to me was that ESPN wrote it.

    No-QuarterDraevenElvenshaeTheDrifter
  • MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    If I were Goodell I would just step down. The guy was paid 44 million last year alone. Time to cut bait and call it a life.

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  • HandgimpHandgimp R+L=J Family PhotoRegistered User regular
    oldmanken wrote: »
    It's going to take a major sponsor dropping the NFL in order for Goodell to get fired, and that feels unlikely. All these corporate f***ers are cut from the same asshole cloth...

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24715094/procter-gamble-pulls-out-of-cancer-initiative-with-nfl-due-to-off-field-issues

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  • hippofanthippofant ティンク Registered User regular
    Handgimp wrote: »
    oldmanken wrote: »
    It's going to take a major sponsor dropping the NFL in order for Goodell to get fired, and that feels unlikely. All these corporate f***ers are cut from the same asshole cloth...

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24715094/procter-gamble-pulls-out-of-cancer-initiative-with-nfl-due-to-off-field-issues

    So now CANCER's benefiting from this?

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  • quovadis13quovadis13 Registered User regular
    We are all aware that even if Goodell somehow loses his job over this, he would just be replaced by a slightly different version of himself, right? Sure, s/he would talk about change, but s/he would still ultimately give the same empty promises, bullshit non-answers and endless deflections that Goodell gives now. Things really wouldn't change, it would just be the illusion of change.

    Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss

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  • KanaKana Registered User regular
    hippofant wrote: »
    Handgimp wrote: »
    oldmanken wrote: »
    It's going to take a major sponsor dropping the NFL in order for Goodell to get fired, and that feels unlikely. All these corporate f***ers are cut from the same asshole cloth...

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24715094/procter-gamble-pulls-out-of-cancer-initiative-with-nfl-due-to-off-field-issues

    So now CANCER's benefiting from this?

    NFL twitter account to announce that cancer patients regret the role they played in this incident

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  • CarpyCarpy Registered User regular
    quovadis13 wrote: »
    We are all aware that even if Goodell somehow loses his job over this, he would just be replaced by a slightly different version of himself, right? Sure, s/he would talk about change, but s/he would still ultimately give the same empty promises, bullshit non-answers and endless deflections that Goodell gives now. Things really wouldn't change, it would just be the illusion of change.

    Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss

    I think that's part of the reason that Condi was floated as a replacement, she's from outside the NFL and might be able to breathe some fresh air into the league office. As opposed to someone like Goodell who has spent his entire professional career in the league office. Quite possibly a vain hope, but someone competent from outside the league is probably a better choice than someone from within.

  • hippofanthippofant ティンク Registered User regular
    Carpy wrote: »
    quovadis13 wrote: »
    We are all aware that even if Goodell somehow loses his job over this, he would just be replaced by a slightly different version of himself, right? Sure, s/he would talk about change, but s/he would still ultimately give the same empty promises, bullshit non-answers and endless deflections that Goodell gives now. Things really wouldn't change, it would just be the illusion of change.

    Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss

    I think that's part of the reason that Condi was floated as a replacement, she's from outside the NFL and might be able to breathe some fresh air into the league office. As opposed to someone like Goodell who has spent his entire professional career in the league office. Quite possibly a vain hope, but someone competent from outside the league is probably a better choice than someone from within.

    Except she'd still be answering to the same owners. Because Condoleeza Rice breathed such fresh air into the State Department? Let's be real: Goodell isn't really the problem. He perpetuates the problem, but that's practically his principal purpose.

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  • quovadis13quovadis13 Registered User regular
    hippofant wrote: »
    Carpy wrote: »
    quovadis13 wrote: »
    We are all aware that even if Goodell somehow loses his job over this, he would just be replaced by a slightly different version of himself, right? Sure, s/he would talk about change, but s/he would still ultimately give the same empty promises, bullshit non-answers and endless deflections that Goodell gives now. Things really wouldn't change, it would just be the illusion of change.

    Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss

    I think that's part of the reason that Condi was floated as a replacement, she's from outside the NFL and might be able to breathe some fresh air into the league office. As opposed to someone like Goodell who has spent his entire professional career in the league office. Quite possibly a vain hope, but someone competent from outside the league is probably a better choice than someone from within.

    Except she'd still be answering to the same owners. Because Condoleeza Rice breathed such fresh air into the State Department? Let's be real: Goodell isn't really the problem. He perpetuates the problem, but that's practically his principal purpose.

    Keep in mind, these problems aren't limited to the NFL. It's not even limited to the other sports leagues. You don't think those corporations that issued those "strongly-worded" statements wouldn't be running this exact same playbook if they were on the receiving end of the angry mob? Anheuser-busch, Pepsi, Proctor and Gamble and everyone else that is scoring PR points by taking shots at the NFL now would be dodging the issues just as hard as the NfL until this blows over.

    Nobody really cares who to dogpile on as long as it isnt them

  • CarpyCarpy Registered User regular
    hippofant wrote: »
    Carpy wrote: »
    quovadis13 wrote: »
    We are all aware that even if Goodell somehow loses his job over this, he would just be replaced by a slightly different version of himself, right? Sure, s/he would talk about change, but s/he would still ultimately give the same empty promises, bullshit non-answers and endless deflections that Goodell gives now. Things really wouldn't change, it would just be the illusion of change.

    Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss

    I think that's part of the reason that Condi was floated as a replacement, she's from outside the NFL and might be able to breathe some fresh air into the league office. As opposed to someone like Goodell who has spent his entire professional career in the league office. Quite possibly a vain hope, but someone competent from outside the league is probably a better choice than someone from within.

    Except she'd still be answering to the same owners. Because Condoleeza Rice breathed such fresh air into the State Department? Let's be real: Goodell isn't really the problem. He perpetuates the problem, but that's practically his principal purpose.

    I wasn't trying to stump for her nor do I disagree with your point about the next commish still answering to the same group of owners. I do think going for someone outside the league shows, whether it's true or not, that the league is serious about changing some of it's cultural issues. I also think someone less beholden to the owners for their entire professional career would be less likely to sweep an investigation like the one about Rice under the rug as a favor to their golf buddy.

  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    Remember that Major League Baseball created the commissioner position as a response to gamblers fucking with the World Series. True, the NFL owners may not be as interested in giving up any of their control (and also true, the MLB owners basically neutered the commissioner's office), however, if this snowballs they may find a need to separate the connection between the owners and the commissioner.

    The league wanted Rog to slap Rice's wrist and he did. Now that they got caught out, he's doing what they really hired him to do and insist that they did nothing wrong. But nobody is buying it. Add in the concussion issue and Snyder and who knows what else is really out there just waiting to come to light. Corporations may be pretty soulless, but if they think their association with the league won't help them, they'll want out.

    Given the right set of circumstances, it can hapen.

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  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    Apparently some Howard Stern idiot.


    I listened to that crap. Rog was fine right up until the second or third question. Once they started asking actual questions instead of lobbing softballs, his facade broke down.

  • y2jake215y2jake215 Lars von Trihard/Cinnabon Iver young ass popeRegistered User regular
    Hopefully the nfl will shut down soon

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  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    I know it'd never catch on, but imagine trying to sell rugby football:

    Real Men! No Pads! No forward pass!

  • No-QuarterNo-Quarter Registered User regular
    So It Goes wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Is it ironic that, if that article is true, that Rice is a victim in this too? And can and should sue the hell out the NFL for essentially punishing him twice for the same transgression once they knew their cover-up was blown?

    Does that make sense?

    I know it's very weird, but they even did him wrong ultimately

    It says a whole hell of a fucking lot about the moral bankruptcy of the League that I'm actually finding myself sympathetic toward the guy that punched out his fiance and then nonchalantly dragged her body out of the elevator.

    So It Goes
  • quovadis13quovadis13 Registered User regular
    I know it'd never catch on, but imagine trying to sell rugby football:

    Real Men! No Pads! No forward pass!

    Likely the same amount of domestic violence/child abuse/drug abuse!

    So It Goes
  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Is it ironic that, if that article is true, that Rice is a victim in this too? And can and should sue the hell out the NFL for essentially punishing him twice for the same transgression once they knew their cover-up was blown?

    Does that make sense?

    the CBA says something to the effect that assuming no new information comes to light, you can't re-punish a player for the same infraction

    he's not going to sue the league, but the union will appeal everything past his initial two game suspension and almost certainly win

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  • AspectVoidAspectVoid Registered User regular
    edited September 2014
    If that ESPN report is accurate, Rog is probably good and fucked.

    Actually, from what I read in that piece, Roger is in good shape. He's said that NFL offices did not see that video. The fact that Ravens personnel saw it fucks the Ravens, but it backs up Goodell's assertion that neither he nor his people saw it, and that he made his judgement solely on testimony. Everyone already knows that the NFL offices put in a single official request for the video, it was rejected, and then did not make further attempts to get it, and this report backs that up.

    Meanwhile, the owners are going to be fine with Roger. He's doing what he was hired to do, which is be the face and take the blame when things go bad for them. The only way Roger is out is if the NFL's ratings take a nose dive and sponsors start to pull out from real revenue streams, not these charity pieces they do together. A recent independent survey showed that 85% of the NFL audience doesn't care about any of this, they just want to watch football. As a point, even with the crappy game last night, over 9million people tuned in to watch it on CBS. Sponsors are not going to walk away from that.
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Is it ironic that, if that article is true, that Rice is a victim in this too? And can and should sue the hell out the NFL for essentially punishing him twice for the same transgression once they knew their cover-up was blown?

    Does that make sense?

    Nope, because the NFL is not the government, and you have no protections from private industry doing whatever the hell they want to you when you are their employee. However, Ray Rice is part of a Union, and double punishment in this case goes to arbitration (normally before Goodell, but he's already announced he will be recusing himself from this and the NFL and NFLPA will jointly agree to the arbiter). All Rice can get out of it his his suspension lifted.

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    Carpy wrote: »
    hippofant wrote: »
    Carpy wrote: »
    quovadis13 wrote: »
    We are all aware that even if Goodell somehow loses his job over this, he would just be replaced by a slightly different version of himself, right? Sure, s/he would talk about change, but s/he would still ultimately give the same empty promises, bullshit non-answers and endless deflections that Goodell gives now. Things really wouldn't change, it would just be the illusion of change.

    Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss

    I think that's part of the reason that Condi was floated as a replacement, she's from outside the NFL and might be able to breathe some fresh air into the league office. As opposed to someone like Goodell who has spent his entire professional career in the league office. Quite possibly a vain hope, but someone competent from outside the league is probably a better choice than someone from within.

    Except she'd still be answering to the same owners. Because Condoleeza Rice breathed such fresh air into the State Department? Let's be real: Goodell isn't really the problem. He perpetuates the problem, but that's practically his principal purpose.

    I wasn't trying to stump for her nor do I disagree with your point about the next commish still answering to the same group of owners. I do think going for someone outside the league shows, whether it's true or not, that the league is serious about changing some of it's cultural issues. I also think someone less beholden to the owners for their entire professional career would be less likely to sweep an investigation like the one about Rice under the rug as a favor to their golf buddy.

    this kind of thing is so silly; the commissioner will 'change the culture' or whatever at the precise moment they have a mandate to from the majority of the owners to do so; that will only really happen once sponsors start turning on them, which seems at least to be starting to happen

    either way they'll probably just let goodell twist this season though; they'll let him do the job of being the fall guy for all this stuff, then bring in somebody who can at least somewhat plausibly talk about 'moving forward'

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  • Fondor_YardsFondor_Yards Elite Four Member: Hydra Registered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Is it ironic that, if that article is true, that Rice is a victim in this too? And can and should sue the hell out the NFL for essentially punishing him twice for the same transgression once they knew their cover-up was blown?

    Does that make sense?

    The NLFPA is suing over that. While Rice might be a giant douche, it's not his fault the NFL screwed the pooch on his case.

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  • DraevenDraeven Registered User regular
    If the NFL somehow blows up because of this, some other league will be reformed with pretty much the same markets that are in the league right now. Maybe the bureaucracy will be changed and a head of Internal affairs appointed whose sole job is to independently investigate every single off the field issue that happens so that the NFL can't say "uh, we didn't know the true extent of what happened." though it wont happen, someone somewhere is gonna get canned for this and its not gonna be Goodall.

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  • MuffinatronMuffinatron Registered User regular
    AspectVoid wrote: »
    All Rice can get out of it his his suspension lifted.

    Which won't do him any good as none of the teams will touch him with a forty foot barge pole. Doing so would be pr suicide.

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  • Jubal77Jubal77 Registered User regular
    As long as the viewership remains high the ownership will just make changes to say they did and move on. We are talking about the elite wealthy after all. Or the 1st class if you will.

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  • GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    Veevee wrote: »
    So has anyone heard of this Fantex thing?

    Buying shares of athletes future earnings? What?

    So, you're supposed to pony up money in exchange for what? How do you get a return? And whatever it is, a catastrophic injury in practice can mean a waste of whatever you've invested. I don't get it!
    It's a pretty standard instrument. It pays out a % of the players earnings. He gets money now you get money later. You eat risk on injury he eats risk on new contract money.

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  • davidsdurionsdavidsdurions Your Trusty Meatshield Panhandle NebraskaRegistered User regular
    Goumindong wrote: »
    Veevee wrote: »
    So has anyone heard of this Fantex thing?

    Buying shares of athletes future earnings? What?

    So, you're supposed to pony up money in exchange for what? How do you get a return? And whatever it is, a catastrophic injury in practice can mean a waste of whatever you've invested. I don't get it!
    It's a pretty standard instrument. It pays out a % of the players earnings. He gets money now you get money later. You eat risk on injury he eats risk on new contract money.

    It's football though, so how is this a good investment ever? Dude's career is going to be short and violent.

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  • quovadis13quovadis13 Registered User regular
    The NFL isn't the only organization with leaders who make vague PR friendly "promises" that they actually have no intention of following up on

  • oldmankenoldmanken Registered User regular
    FIFA sets the gold standard, to be honest, and the NFL looks like nothing more than bumbling idiots in comparison.

    (To be clear, I am not downplaying the NFL's conduct.)

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    The NCAA resents that remark.

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  • ShadowhopeShadowhope Baa. Registered User regular
    edited September 2014
    The NCAA resents that remark.

    FIFA's case for being the worst:


    Your move, NCAA.

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  • AmphetamineAmphetamine Registered User regular
    y2jake215 wrote: »
    Hopefully the nfl will shut down soon

    Uh yeah, this will never, ever happen. It's looking more and more that it isn't the NFL as a whole that is a corrupt pile of shit, just the Baltimore Ravens. Goodell is a dick and I would be ecstatic to see him gone, but as this goes on it seems this lays on the Ravens organization being shitty over anything else. Most teams don't have issues like this (not the domestic violence thing, but the handling of it), so it seems strange to punish the league as a whole if it turns out it was just the Ravens staff being shady as fuck.

  • y2jake215y2jake215 Lars von Trihard/Cinnabon Iver young ass popeRegistered User regular
    y2jake215 wrote: »
    Hopefully the nfl will shut down soon

    Uh yeah, this will never, ever happen. It's looking more and more that it isn't the NFL as a whole that is a corrupt pile of shit, just the Baltimore Ravens. Goodell is a dick and I would be ecstatic to see him gone, but as this goes on it seems this lays on the Ravens organization being shitty over anything else. Most teams don't have issues like this (not the domestic violence thing, but the handling of it), so it seems strange to punish the league as a whole if it turns out it was just the Ravens staff being shady as fuck.

    i know i was being a bit dry

    i disagree that its just the ravens though. its far more widespread

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    FIFA is like, hilariously corrupt.

    All the NCAA is ultimately doing is fixing wages; that isn't to say they aren't corrupt, but it's a relatively simple, garden variety corruption. FIFA is like, hilariously corrupt.

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