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  • ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    that shit is beyond infuriating

    there are no words

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  • NeoTomaNeoToma Registered User regular
    Jesus fuck

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  • Darth WaiterDarth Waiter Elrond Hubbard Mordor XenuRegistered User regular
    Shorty wrote: »
    that shit is beyond infuriating

    there are no words

    You'd think that a LEO could be entrusted *not* to rape a minor or a person in custody; that fact that you *can't* is some kind of Twilight Zone shit.

    Actually, no, it's more like a snuff film because those officers are destroying people's lives.

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  • ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    I don't even get what kind of person do you have to be in order to not recognize this kind of thing as a gross miscarriage of justice

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  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    So about that cop who got off for child molestation:
    As rightfully as people should be up in arms about such an insignificant sentence, the public should know that this is how the Commonwealth gets around adjudicating public officials.

    First, the sitting Judge voluntarily recuses himself from the case so he does not have to be on the hook for prosecuting the Virgnia State Police. Then the Virginia Supreme Court Chief Justice is suppose to be notified by the Clerk of the Circuit Court per 17.1-105 the Virginia State Code.

    However, that is not what normally happens. The Clerks have been circumventing the State Code and going straight to the Chief Judge of the respective Judicial Circuit for “designations” of Judges to sit on cases based on recusals of a respective presiding Judge.

    The Chief Judge then, basically asks the Clerk who they would like to have sit on the case – Because the clerk’s know what Judges will do what they ask – The Clerk, de facto, is designating the Judge who sits on the recusal case at that point.



    Judge Herman A. Whisenant Jr. is a retired Virginia Judge. He has no bench where he sits or presides because he is retired and participates in a “retired Judge Circuit” to move around and hear cases as “appointed”, “lynchmen” so to speak for cases where the State wants to prosecute, they bring Judges like Whisenant in as their bullpen to either exonerate, convict or go ridiculously lenient.

    In essence, these Judges are brought in for cases where the State wants to impose its will when the local Judge (who is accountable to his community) won’t do it. The social ramifications of imposing “normal sentencing” on such horrific criminal acts, for a presiding Judge is too much for such a spineless adjudicator.

    In fact, Judge Herman A. Whisenant Jr. handed down a sentence to Donald Richard Hausen, 35, on charges including aggravated sexual battery, manufacturing child pornography, distribution of child pornography and possession of child pornography. (Article here)

    A Sterling man convicted in October on 14 felony charges stemming from incidents against a 7-year-old girl was sentenced today to 66 years in prison.

    Judge Herman A. Whisenant Jr. handed down the sentence to Donald Richard Hausen, 35, on charges including aggravated sexual battery, manufacturing child pornography, distribution of child pornography and possession of child pornography.

    Pursuant to Virginia’s Sex Offender and Crimes Against Minors Registry Act, Hausen will also be required to register as a violent sex offender.

    Hausen was convicted by a Loudoun County jury after they deliberated for more than three hours. The jury at the time recommended an 111-year sentence and a $50,000 fine for Hausen.

    Under Virginia law a judge may reduce a jury’s recommendation by providing written reasons, but may not increase a jury’s recommendation.

    Granted – Judge Whisenant reduced the sentence from 111yrs to 66yrs for this defendants – gave him no bond, fined him 50k and forced him to register as a Convicted Sex Offender. An argument could be made that these cases are distinguishable, but that would be a hard one to make. Officers of the Court and specifically State Troopers should be held to a much higher standard no evident by Whisenant’s pathological behavior.

    Carson got 9yrs and all but 30 days suspended and doesn’t have to register as a Sex Offender. A reasonable person would objectively come to the conclusion that Whisenant is insane for accepting that plea. The Commonwealth has exuded its power and let another one of its own sociopathic employees go scott free. Retired designate Judge Whisenant should be removed from all benches in the Commonwealth of Virginia and not allowed to hear any more cases where the Commonwealth prosecutes its own actors.

    The Community in Fauquier would have had recourse had the sitting judge presided over this egregiously inappropriate and criminal case. They could have filed JIRC complaints against the Judge and gone to their representatives about the Judge’s lopsided sentencing. However, Whisenant is retired anyway and he sits on no Bench in one place and he has absolutely no Oath of Office on file with the State Secretary in violate of Article 5 in the Virginia Constitution.

    Calls, emails and letters to state representative about using Retired Judges to grant the State’s “bad actors” with unreasonable leniency is appropriate and necessary at this point. This could be construed as a State Sanctioned RICO.

  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    I think what's crazy about both of these stories is that they are years old. The RCMP thing happened in 2011 but hasn't been a story until now.

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  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue The studying beaver That beaver sure loves studying!Registered User regular
    Langly wrote: »
    So about that cop who got off for child molestation:
    As rightfully as people should be up in arms about such an insignificant sentence, the public should know that this is how the Commonwealth gets around adjudicating public officials.

    First, the sitting Judge voluntarily recuses himself from the case so he does not have to be on the hook for prosecuting the Virgnia State Police. Then the Virginia Supreme Court Chief Justice is suppose to be notified by the Clerk of the Circuit Court per 17.1-105 the Virginia State Code.

    However, that is not what normally happens. The Clerks have been circumventing the State Code and going straight to the Chief Judge of the respective Judicial Circuit for “designations” of Judges to sit on cases based on recusals of a respective presiding Judge.

    The Chief Judge then, basically asks the Clerk who they would like to have sit on the case – Because the clerk’s know what Judges will do what they ask – The Clerk, de facto, is designating the Judge who sits on the recusal case at that point.



    Judge Herman A. Whisenant Jr. is a retired Virginia Judge. He has no bench where he sits or presides because he is retired and participates in a “retired Judge Circuit” to move around and hear cases as “appointed”, “lynchmen” so to speak for cases where the State wants to prosecute, they bring Judges like Whisenant in as their bullpen to either exonerate, convict or go ridiculously lenient.

    In essence, these Judges are brought in for cases where the State wants to impose its will when the local Judge (who is accountable to his community) won’t do it. The social ramifications of imposing “normal sentencing” on such horrific criminal acts, for a presiding Judge is too much for such a spineless adjudicator.

    In fact, Judge Herman A. Whisenant Jr. handed down a sentence to Donald Richard Hausen, 35, on charges including aggravated sexual battery, manufacturing child pornography, distribution of child pornography and possession of child pornography. (Article here)

    A Sterling man convicted in October on 14 felony charges stemming from incidents against a 7-year-old girl was sentenced today to 66 years in prison.

    Judge Herman A. Whisenant Jr. handed down the sentence to Donald Richard Hausen, 35, on charges including aggravated sexual battery, manufacturing child pornography, distribution of child pornography and possession of child pornography.

    Pursuant to Virginia’s Sex Offender and Crimes Against Minors Registry Act, Hausen will also be required to register as a violent sex offender.

    Hausen was convicted by a Loudoun County jury after they deliberated for more than three hours. The jury at the time recommended an 111-year sentence and a $50,000 fine for Hausen.

    Under Virginia law a judge may reduce a jury’s recommendation by providing written reasons, but may not increase a jury’s recommendation.

    Granted – Judge Whisenant reduced the sentence from 111yrs to 66yrs for this defendants – gave him no bond, fined him 50k and forced him to register as a Convicted Sex Offender. An argument could be made that these cases are distinguishable, but that would be a hard one to make. Officers of the Court and specifically State Troopers should be held to a much higher standard no evident by Whisenant’s pathological behavior.

    Carson got 9yrs and all but 30 days suspended and doesn’t have to register as a Sex Offender. A reasonable person would objectively come to the conclusion that Whisenant is insane for accepting that plea. The Commonwealth has exuded its power and let another one of its own sociopathic employees go scott free. Retired designate Judge Whisenant should be removed from all benches in the Commonwealth of Virginia and not allowed to hear any more cases where the Commonwealth prosecutes its own actors.

    The Community in Fauquier would have had recourse had the sitting judge presided over this egregiously inappropriate and criminal case. They could have filed JIRC complaints against the Judge and gone to their representatives about the Judge’s lopsided sentencing. However, Whisenant is retired anyway and he sits on no Bench in one place and he has absolutely no Oath of Office on file with the State Secretary in violate of Article 5 in the Virginia Constitution.

    Calls, emails and letters to state representative about using Retired Judges to grant the State’s “bad actors” with unreasonable leniency is appropriate and necessary at this point. This could be construed as a State Sanctioned RICO.

    WHAT THE FUCK

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  • Darth WaiterDarth Waiter Elrond Hubbard Mordor XenuRegistered User regular
    edited January 2015
    Shorty wrote: »
    I don't even get what kind of person do you have to be in order to not recognize this kind of thing as a gross miscarriage of justice

    We've already hashed out that 'sociopath' and 'psychopath' are terms that get used too often, but I feel we can easily say that these persons probably think that they are beyond the law or simply don't care about the welfare of other people before their own desires.

    In the case of the RCMP officer, the aboriginal woman was an 'other' and therefore not deserving of the same right to personal security as someone else. She was viewed as somehow less worthy of protection by not only her rapist, but his fellow officers and his CO as well.

    For the Virginia State Trooper ... I don't know what the fuck goes through the head of a child molester and I don't ever want to.

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  • ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    Shorty wrote: »
    I don't even get what kind of person do you have to be in order to not recognize this kind of thing as a gross miscarriage of justice

    We've already hashed out that 'sociopath' and 'psychopath' are terms that get used too often, but I feel we can easily say that these persons probably think that they are beyond the law or simply don't care about the welfare of other people before their own desires.

    In the case of the RCMP officer, the aboriginal woman was an 'other' and therefore not deserving of the same right to personal security as someone else. She was viewed as somehow less worthy of protection by not only her rapist, but his fellow officers and his CO as well.

    For the Virginia State Trooper ... I don't know what the fuck goes through the head of a child molester and I don't ever want to.

    well I'm not even really talking about the people who actually did the crimes

    it's a system, lots of other people have to be complacent or whatever for a chimo cop to dodge punishment and then wind up back on the force

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  • mrpakumrpaku Registered User regular
    it's like the whole criminal justice system is one big circle jerk

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  • DisruptedCapitalistDisruptedCapitalist I swear! Registered User regular
    Well, after I stuck my foot in my mouth the other day about psychopaths, I'm not touching that subject until I understand it a little better.

    An interesting thing I've heard about Virginia was that historically the state has a long tradition of deference to authority dating back in the early colonial days. So, we're talking not just the slaveholders but the indentured servants who came over from England and were basically slaves under different laws. It could be this tradition of judges recusing themselves in any actions against law enforcement go back to that tradition.

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  • Darth WaiterDarth Waiter Elrond Hubbard Mordor XenuRegistered User regular
    Shorty wrote: »
    Shorty wrote: »
    I don't even get what kind of person do you have to be in order to not recognize this kind of thing as a gross miscarriage of justice

    We've already hashed out that 'sociopath' and 'psychopath' are terms that get used too often, but I feel we can easily say that these persons probably think that they are beyond the law or simply don't care about the welfare of other people before their own desires.

    In the case of the RCMP officer, the aboriginal woman was an 'other' and therefore not deserving of the same right to personal security as someone else. She was viewed as somehow less worthy of protection by not only her rapist, but his fellow officers and his CO as well.

    For the Virginia State Trooper ... I don't know what the fuck goes through the head of a child molester and I don't ever want to.

    well I'm not even really talking about the people who actually did the crimes

    it's a system, lots of other people have to be complacent or whatever for a chimo cop to dodge punishment and then wind up back on the force

    I'm absolutely not throwing out a Devil's Advocate here, but one of the pitfalls of law enforcement is that the officers routinely deal with hardcore criminals and that affects their worldview; if they spend enough time with law breakers, they can start to adopt an attitude that the ends justify the means and all behavior is permissible. Enough of that has been going on for a long enough time that more blatant and destructive behavior becomes the norm. It's not a far stretch to go from 'I shoot who I want' to 'I fuck who I want.'

    None of this is acceptable nor is it any kind of behavior for supposedly first-world nations to sweep under the rug; but it is perhaps some small grip on these crimes against citizens.

    And I actually hate that I can understand *how* these events came to pass.

  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue The studying beaver That beaver sure loves studying!Registered User regular
    And Connecticut is forcing a girl to go through chemo against her will.

    The case is ugly because it involves a family who doesn't want the chemo not because the cancer will kill the girl anyway - doctors say she has an 85-90% chance of full recovery with the treatment - but because the mother views it as poison and evil.

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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Yeah well

    tough shit

    you don't get to sacrifice your child on the altar of your own stupidity

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  • TubularLuggageTubularLuggage Registered User regular
    One of the saddest things about the case with the RCMP officer is how unsurprising it is.
    That region probably has the worst track record in the country when it comes to treatment of First Nations persons. While the entire country has a long way to go when it comes to FN relations, some regions of the country have taken much bigger strides than others in trying to improve things.

    The fact that the public reaction to this isn't universally "This is horrible, and the officer needs to be held responsible" is nauseating. It's an unfortunate reminder of how much of a systemic problem there still is in some places.

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  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue The studying beaver That beaver sure loves studying!Registered User regular
    And Fox News can't even hide their racism anymore
    Bream, speaking unscripted, wondered how police would be able to identify "bad guys" if they had ski masks and couldn't "even know what color," what "the tone of their skin was?"

    Her commentary – totally unquestioned by the four other Fox News hosts – was in response to co-host Kennedy Montgomery, aka "Kennedy," who had said, "sometimes bad guys don't look like bad guys."

    "That's my question about these guys because if we know they were speaking unaccented French and they had, you know, ski masks on, do we even know what color they were?," Bream asked. "What the tone of their skin was," she tried to clarify – as if that were less racist. "I mean what if they didn't look like typical bad guys?"
    http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/naked_racism_fox_news_host_asks_how_to_spot_bad_guys_if_we_can_t_see_tone_of_their_skin

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  • mrpakumrpaku Registered User regular
    Solar wrote: »
    Yeah well

    tough shit

    you don't get to sacrifice your child on the altar of your own stupidity

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  • PsykomaPsykoma Registered User regular
    edited January 2015
    Alternatively there are cases like this where the courts uphold the parents ability to choose holistic over chemo

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  • simosimo Registered User regular
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    And Fox News can't even hide their racism anymore
    Bream, speaking unscripted, wondered how police would be able to identify "bad guys" if they had ski masks and couldn't "even know what color," what "the tone of their skin was?"

    Her commentary – totally unquestioned by the four other Fox News hosts – was in response to co-host Kennedy Montgomery, aka "Kennedy," who had said, "sometimes bad guys don't look like bad guys."

    "That's my question about these guys because if we know they were speaking unaccented French and they had, you know, ski masks on, do we even know what color they were?," Bream asked. "What the tone of their skin was," she tried to clarify – as if that were less racist. "I mean what if they didn't look like typical bad guys?"
    http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/naked_racism_fox_news_host_asks_how_to_spot_bad_guys_if_we_can_t_see_tone_of_their_skin

    uh isn't a ski mask like the most stereotypical "bad guy" thing you could possibly wear?

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  • ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    And Fox News can't even hide their racism anymore
    Bream, speaking unscripted, wondered how police would be able to identify "bad guys" if they had ski masks and couldn't "even know what color," what "the tone of their skin was?"

    Her commentary – totally unquestioned by the four other Fox News hosts – was in response to co-host Kennedy Montgomery, aka "Kennedy," who had said, "sometimes bad guys don't look like bad guys."

    "That's my question about these guys because if we know they were speaking unaccented French and they had, you know, ski masks on, do we even know what color they were?," Bream asked. "What the tone of their skin was," she tried to clarify – as if that were less racist. "I mean what if they didn't look like typical bad guys?"
    http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/naked_racism_fox_news_host_asks_how_to_spot_bad_guys_if_we_can_t_see_tone_of_their_skin

    holy shit

    Jon Stewart is going to hatelove this

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  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    edited January 2015
    there was that couple in Australia who had a newborn die from eczema because they wouldn't treat it. eczema.

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  • StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    Psykoma wrote: »
    Alternatively there are cases like this where the courts uphold the parents ability to choose holistic over chemo

    I think there's a couple things at play here, from what I read.

    The CT case has a parent who has pretty much been ruled negligent. Child welfare services has taken over the situation. That's related to the active court case and the chemo and all that, but it's not the all of it.

    Additionally, in the case you cite, there's something that's being done. Yes, even if the traditional medicine is total bullshit, it's an attempt to keep the child alive (with total bullshit, but whatever). In this case, the plan was to just... let the girl die?

  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited January 2015
    Maybe 2,000 dead by Boko Haram massacre They gave up on counting the bodies.

    Happy 2015, everyone.

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  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    if you want to talk straight up evil in the world, holistic healing and homeopathy are two of the big ones.

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    Sorry, I meant "by Boko Haram"

    This happened in multiple towns.

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  • ElaroElaro Apologetic Registered User regular
    good for Connecticut.

    Regarding cops, would anyone else prefer a cop dying to a civilian dying? I mean, that's what I find respectable about the law officer profession, that they're willing to die for others to live. I think that should mean thinking twice before shooting someone. Maybe they shouldn't value their own life above the life of a random person on the street. Maybe we should instill a sense of selflessness in cops. Maybe that will stop the killings.

    Because you know you've had a bad day when the phrase "kill a cop, save a life" doesn't strike you as completely insane.

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  • GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    Something along those lines but not said in that way, yes.

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  • DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    I'm sure I could find a list of the trans girls that committed suicide in the past year

    basically, we have a ton of awful problems to fix in our lifetimes

    and I hope we can succeed with flying colors

    while building a generation that understands that maintaining good things requires vigilance and humility

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  • mrpakumrpaku Registered User regular
    edited January 2015
    please, please run again, Mitt

    America needs you (to make this next presidential election cycle as entertaining as the last one was)

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  • JarsJars Registered User regular
    ralph nader ran for president like 20 times, why can't you mitt?

  • LadaiLadai Registered User regular
    A not-insignificant part of my brain thought that Romney link would take me to the Onion.

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    The GOP is not going to let Romney run again. He made be a sideshow clown during primaries, but he'll have absolutely no backing from the party.

    Tea party has always hated him for not being part of the lunatic fringe, the establishment hates him for not ousting Obama, and the public doesn't like him because well they voted for Obama.

    It just isn't going to happen.

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  • PriestPriest Registered User regular
    edited January 2015
    Eh, I could do without Mitt running again.

    Between him and Hil's, I think he'd probably win.

    And I'll pass on a conservative carte-blanche in DC.

    Edit: What baffles me is how the GOP thinks someone with the last name Bush is electable in 2016.

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  • Desert LeviathanDesert Leviathan Registered User regular
    edited January 2015
    I met Romney a few times during the last election. Every time I was in Florida visiting family, it seemed he was in town talking to the big West Palm Beach donors, and he'd wind up attending church at my parent's congregation. The LDS Church has pretty well documented voting habits, but there's a strong taboo against mixing politics in with actual church events, so he'd always try to sneak into the back unnoticed a few minutes late. And I, as the prodigal son whose church attendance is predicated entirely on a "will skipping it today make my mom cry", usually did the same. So we wound up sharing the back aisle a couple times, and chatting briefly.

    Anyway, I got the impression that he was super not into it. He seemed like a man getting marched up to the volcano by his own village. After dodging that bullet, I have no idea what could compel him to try again. But maybe I didn't get a solid read on the guy in our few minutes of interaction, so who knows.

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  • miscellaneousinsanitymiscellaneousinsanity grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother, i hurt peopleRegistered User regular
    joe sacco weighed in on the charlie hebdo shooting and it's one of the better (read: not sickeningly kneejerk) comics made in response

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  • DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    ah man, that guilt trip about church attendance sucks, Hanged Man

    glad my mom never did that sort of thing

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  • ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    Priest wrote: »
    Eh, I could do without Mitt running again.

    Between him and Hil's, I think he'd probably win.

    And I'll pass on a conservative carte-blanche in DC.

    Edit: What baffles me is how the GOP thinks someone with the last name Bush is electable in 2016.

    it's early, the GOP hasn't actually thrown their support behind him yet

    but I mean, the GOP has election analysts too, they know what it will take to get their guy into office and the truth of the matter is that chances are really slim that any candidate could make it to the white house

    so right now it probably makes the most sense for them to play the long game, go with someone who can make hillary clinton look bad, but who never has a real chance, then start grooming a candidate for 2020 while they spend her first term undermining her from the House and the Senate

  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Political cartoons are usually terrible because being able to draw doesn't make you able to make any kind of good political point, and vice versa

    The crossover between the two is rare indeed

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  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue The studying beaver That beaver sure loves studying!Registered User regular
    Priest wrote: »
    Edit: What baffles me is how the GOP thinks someone with the last name Bush is electable in 2016.

    Because this is America. He probably would win.

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