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Officially Introducing PinMash - PA Pin Rating Engine
dmosinee
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Davenport, IARegistered User regular
So people hanging out in the community thread have already seen this through the testing phase, but it's time to put it out there for reals.
http://pinmash.info/
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Big thanks to all my testers in the community thread who clicked away to build the initial data set!
EDIT:
http://pinmash.info/
Description from the site wrote:This site asks you to ignore your collection and what you do or don't need right now, and instead judge a matchup between two pins on general desirability. On the backend it uses an Elo rating system (like chess or League of Legends) to make zero sum rating changes to both pins in the matchup.
@Beker on the PA forums came up with the original idea for this in a thread back in April, and I ran with it for the past few days. Once a sufficient number of ratings have been made, these ratings should give a good look at how much each pin is valued by the pin community.
Other Details:
- There is a Rest/JSON API to access the data if anyone wants to use it in some other site/app/project: point your doo-dad to http://pinmash.info/DataV1/AllPinData
- The system is designed to give new pins more mobility in the system at first, so any newly added pins (Naughty Dog 30 Years at the time of this writing) will bounce around more for a while
- If you're looking to do something new with the data/site, or are looking for some new feature or change, shoot me a PM and I'll see what I can do.
Big thanks to all my testers in the community thread who clicked away to build the initial data set!
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http://pinmash.info - Two pins enter, one pins leaves... then the other pin leaves with a lower Elo rating
http://pinmash.info - Two pins enter, one pins leaves... then the other pin leaves with a lower Elo rating
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http://pinmash.info - Two pins enter, one pins leaves... then the other pin leaves with a lower Elo rating
http://pinmash.info - Two pins enter, one pins leaves... then the other pin leaves with a lower Elo rating
Pinny Pals Lanyard
I'm picturing it like those bitcoin guys -- a whole room full of exposed motherboards with 12 DVD drives plugged into each one, just spitting out pins 24/7.
http://pinmash.info - Two pins enter, one pins leaves... then the other pin leaves with a lower Elo rating
Definitely sounds like a safety hazard on many levels... Let's do it.
Let me know, thanks! And great work!
Absolutely no issues, do whatever strikes your fancy with that data. The same goes for anyone else out there; feel free to use the API data anyway you want -- although please let me know if your application is going to be pounding on that endpoint all the time so I can set up some sort of caching strategy.
http://pinmash.info - Two pins enter, one pins leaves... then the other pin leaves with a lower Elo rating
But I just pushed new stuff a few minutes ago. The pin roster is now completely up to date on released pins (the new ones still need a bunch of ratings though!), and I worked a little ORM voodoo to take the loading time of the ratings page from get-a-sandwich-slow to bang-howdy-fast.
Ask and ye shall receive... (two months later):
Get in there and pound on it pin peeps!
www.pinmash.info
http://pinmash.info - Two pins enter, one pins leaves... then the other pin leaves with a lower Elo rating
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Just looking at a graph, it'd be hard to know if a pin's rank gain is due to initial placement activity (the road from the starter 1000 to its "true" position) or an actual change in desirability. One thing I thought of to try and improve the data was to assign some kind of accuracy rating to the pins internally. My thinking was that a pin could be in some kind of "starter" state until it has been matched up at least once with every other pin out there. This would also let me tinker with the K values (how much a pin goes up or down after a matchup) in a more deterministic way than I do know (which was just guessing a matchup count threshold).
That leads into a more significant enhancement that the system could really use, which is making the matchups less random. Right now it is just 100% random roll which pins get put into a matchup, but ideally the system would have the intelligence to build matchups with more statistical significance. It could line up more matchups including brand new pins (until they get a good number recorded), and also avoid matchups where there is little to no relevant data to be gained (Leeroy vs Ginger Lookout doesn't really do anything, except possibly muck up the ratings if someone misclicks). This doesn't mean that Ginger can't ever climb the rankings -- just that he will have to claw his way up the ladder against more reasonable matchups (like say Sketch Gabe or Project Spark) before he can take on the big dogs.
Another thing I've wanted to do for a while, is use GeoIP (with a manual override if it guesses wrong) to categorize ratings as USA, Australia, and Rest of World. By default I would leave the main rating list as the full composite -- but it could be very interesting to see what the list would look like if you only counted ratings from Australia etc.
You guys are going to tank my work productivity, heh. How am I supposed to concentrate on building boring financial line of business web apps when all I can think about is awesome pin rating web apps
http://pinmash.info - Two pins enter, one pins leaves... then the other pin leaves with a lower Elo rating
http://pinmash.info - Head-To-Head battle of pins! Choose the most desirable.
http://pinnywise.com - iOS pin collection tracking app.
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Well dmosinee you heard the official proclamation from a confirmed PA staff member who relayed it straight from ROBERT KHOO HIMSELF!
Get to work!
:P
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I keep hearing about this @Robert Khoo face, and from what I understand this is not a gaze you want directed your way
http://pinmash.info - Two pins enter, one pins leaves... then the other pin leaves with a lower Elo rating
Caught on camera.
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http://pinmash.info - Two pins enter, one pins leaves... then the other pin leaves with a lower Elo rating
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It's the latter part that makes it so accurate.
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While this is not a user facing thing, it means that in the future you all won't be sitting and waiting on me for updates. Basically I made some code changes to hitch my PinMash wagon to the PinnyPals horse, effectively passing the buck to @grgemonkey to keep the pin database up to date
I do come bearing something in return for this buck-passing though. I put a new version of the API out there (the old one still works as it did if you already built something around it), that actually returns the ID that PinnyPals uses for a given pin instead of the PinMash internal one. This should make it a lot easier for @grgemonkey to pull PinMash scores for particular pins over there.
The new pins will (as usual) start out at 1000 just like they all did when new -- but changes I made a while back will give them some extra mobility in the rankings until they build up a suitable bulk of ratings.
I've got real nice changes lined up for an update after PAX East too, and these will be user-facing ones 8-)
Get rating peeps!
EDIT: It would probably help if I actually linked to the new version of the API:
http://pinmash.info/DataV2/AllPinData
http://pinmash.info - Two pins enter, one pins leaves... then the other pin leaves with a lower Elo rating
pinnypals.com has the East pins. Please update pinmash.info.
"We know that the moment we slip, it will be taken away... and so it is of the utmost importance to be worthy of it constantly."
PAX will always be held on the best weekend for PAX. Sometimes that will be a bad weekend for you; I'm sorry.
I just pushed an update to the PinMash core that makes a few improvements that have been needed for a while:
The above mentioned database changes were so significant that it required me to rebuild the database entirely. I migrated over the old scores but not the historical data of the matchups, so the rating count was reset to zero. I still have this data if someone wants it for archival purposes.
So you know what that means... time to get in there and make your voices heard! The new matchup system will make the choices harder, but duty calls people! These East pins aren't going to rate themselves.
As always, post up any feedback etc. here and keep on mashing 8-)
http://pinmash.info - Two pins enter, one pins leaves... then the other pin leaves with a lower Elo rating
I computered the shit out of that computer to make the computer computer harder. Your pin rating computer system is now way better at computering!
Seriously though, super awesome job man, a genuinely useful addition to the community. Thank you for what you do!
Check out my YouTube Pinny Arcade Videos!
PP is going to open up all it's data to other apps (you will need to give permission to them). So people can do more funky maths stuff, the most interesting data will be making trades public (anonymous, only the X for Y part, you can opt-out but please don't :P), both successful and unsuccessful. That should make for some interesting results!
http://pinmash.info - Head-To-Head battle of pins! Choose the most desirable.
http://pinnywise.com - iOS pin collection tracking app.
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What gives?
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I accidentally left some of the old code in there along with the new stuff, so it was actually loading the new matchup twice internally *facepalm*
http://pinmash.info - Two pins enter, one pins leaves... then the other pin leaves with a lower Elo rating
Yeah it's running much better now thanks.
EDIT: Hah, for the first time I clicked on the "I can't choose" button expecting it would load a new set.
Pinny Pals Lanyard
Try reloading the page and see how far that gets you...
http://pinmash.info - Two pins enter, one pins leaves... then the other pin leaves with a lower Elo rating
edit: also small suggestion, disable the buttons after the first click, sometimes it takes a little bit to load the next pins and I'm not sure if it registered the first click and I click again.
http://pinmash.info - Head-To-Head battle of pins! Choose the most desirable.
http://pinnywise.com - iOS pin collection tracking app.
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My Delicious Pins For Trade
It didn't get me anywhere YOU MONSTER!
Pinny Pals Lanyard
This, ladies and germs, is what we in the biz call peer review. I was always disabling the click event, but for some reason I never even thought about visually disabling them (probably because I do all my testing on a local environment where they load instantly). It took all of three minutes to make the change
http://pinmash.info - Two pins enter, one pins leaves... then the other pin leaves with a lower Elo rating
Edit into OP pls.
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