Luke was way to competent. He had what, a week to a month of training and could suddenly take on Vader, who singlehandly killed dozens of Jedi who were far more experienced than Luke?
Um, no he couldn't. Vader toys with him throughout the Empire duel, uses one arm before deciding to get serious and cutting Luke's hand off. Luke disarms Vader in ROTJ after 3 years of training, but Vader was trying to tempt Luke to the dark side, not defeat him.
Luke was way to competent. He had what, a week to a month of training and could suddenly take on Vader, who singlehandly killed dozens of Jedi who were far more experienced than Luke?
He at least had training though, Obi and Yoda both taught him. There is three years between when Obi first started teaching him the basics of using a lightsaber, and episode 5, where Luke gets beat up by Vader pretty badly. Then another four between 5 and 6. Not to mention Vader holding back since he was his son, and wanting to convert him, not kill him.
3+ years into his training, and Luke was still having troubles using the force to move rocks.
Rey sees someone use the force once, and instantly copies them perfectly. Picks up a lightsaber for the first time, and wrecks someone who had destroyed the new jedi order (even if he was wounded). Finn did the same thing with the lightsaber, to a degree.
I don't have a problem with Rey being the heroine, or being strong in the force. She just got there with no effort or time on her part and against previous canon. Its a problem with the movie in general, where everything is just presented as "this is the villain, and this is the hero, deal with it.", without actually making it feel like either should actually be true.
There is three years between when Obi first started teaching him the basics of using a lightsaber, and episode 5, where Luke gets beat up by Vader pretty badly. Then another four between 5 and 6.
huh? I always thought the movies were a year apart.
With the unmarked TFA spoiler up page, it might be time to move this over to the actual Star Wars thread. Rebels hasn't even been mentioned for a page.
There is three years between when Obi first started teaching him the basics of using a lightsaber, and episode 5, where Luke gets beat up by Vader pretty badly. Then another four between 5 and 6.
huh? I always thought the movies were a year apart.
Oh you are right, I mangled that badly. It's three years between 4 and 5, then one more between 5 and 6, for 4 total.
It's a fantasy. Don't shackle it with the realism that the forces of good are outclassed by the compentency and power of real evil.
That's what good fantasy, or fiction, does. It can't be too easy for the heroes to win or it drains the tension and gets boring.The bad guys outclassing the good guys is a tradition because it works. It needs to be well written, however.
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The TFA stuff should be in that thread. Let's keep this in the realm of Rebels, the Disney cartoon.
Hey guys, so I've recently started watching this show. I really really like it.
They have done an amazing job with easter eggs. I'm in season 2 episode 14 I think. Phoenix squadron has a plan to capture an imperial carrier. They need Hara's dad's help.
Anyways I recognized the carrier immediately from the EU. I knew the ship's name and the book it's from right away.
It's from Truce at Bakura . It's the Flurry.
I whipped out my old old old guide to ships and vehicles to check. Sure enough I'm right.
I'm bragging about it to my wife and not getting the reaction I want. I'm pretty awesome though right?
Part of me is mad they are reusing things from the EU. But another part is so happy to see things like this that only hardcore fans would recognize. It's nice to see it get screen time.
Hey guys, so I've recently started watching this show. I really really like it.
They have done an amazing job with easter eggs. I'm in season 2 episode 14 I think. Phoenix squadron has a plan to capture an imperial carrier. They need Hara's dad's help.
Anyways I recognized the carrier immediately from the EU. I knew the ship's name and the book it's from right away.
It's from Truce at Bakura . It's the Flurry.
I whipped out my old old old guide to ships and vehicles to check. Sure enough I'm right.
I'm bragging about it to my wife and not getting the reaction I want. I'm pretty awesome though right?
Part of me is mad they are reusing things from the EU. But another part is so happy to see things like this that only hardcore fans would recognize. It's nice to see it get screen time.
What other easter eggs should I watch out for?
If you played KOTOR 2, there's a very interesting name drop at the end of season 2. It doesn't seem to match up especially well but that could be any number of things.
Part of me is mad they are reusing things from the EU. But another part is so happy to see things like this that only hardcore fans would recognize. It's nice to see it get screen time.
Think about it this way, with the EU pretty much axed, Rebels including these things is the only way they really are able to continue in the canon universe.
Part of me is mad they are reusing things from the EU. But another part is so happy to see things like this that only hardcore fans would recognize. It's nice to see it get screen time.
What other easter eggs should I watch out for?
I'm not sure if this even true. The thing is, Star Wars films and TV series in general have huge gaps when it comes to sensible ship roles in vaguely-modern naval doctrine. Having "sexy" blockade runners and giant cruisers does not a naval force make.
If you played any LucasArts space combat simulation from the last +20 years, you'd recognize the Immobilizer 418-class interdiction cruiser, because they were pretty damn important (basically ending the whole "escape to hyperspace" plot point). They've appeared in Rebels too (or at least a very similar design doing the same role has).
I'm not sure if only "hardcore" fans would recognize the ship though. Personally, I'd rather have them create a new design for an Interdiction ship as oppose to taking something from Zahn's Thrawn Trilogy and TIE Fighter. but that's just me.
Part of me is mad they are reusing things from the EU. But another part is so happy to see things like this that only hardcore fans would recognize. It's nice to see it get screen time.
What other easter eggs should I watch out for?
I'm not sure if this even true. The thing is, Star Wars films and TV series in general have huge gaps when it comes to sensible ship roles in vaguely-modern naval doctrine. Having "sexy" blockade runners and giant cruisers does not a naval force make.
If you played any LucasArts space combat simulation from the last +20 years, you'd recognize the Immobilizer 418-class interdiction cruiser, because they were pretty damn important (basically ending the whole "escape to hyperspace" plot point). They've appeared in Rebels too (or at least a very similar design doing the same role has).
I'm not sure if only "hardcore" fans would recognize the ship though. Personally, I'd rather have them create a new design for an Interdiction ship as oppose to taking something from Zahn's Thrawn Trilogy and TIE Fighter. but that's just me.
I'd say it's a fair bet that the ship wouldn't be recognized by people who weren't big Star Wars fans, seeing as how (outside of RPG source books or ship guides) it only appeared in one novel, and that one (Truce at Bakura) tends to be overlooked by much of the rest of the EU. The Flurry (or a Quasar class light cruiser of any other name) never (to the best of my knowledge) showed up in a video game, and was destroyed at the end of the novel that introduced it. Beyond that, outside of a few off hand mentions, the space dinosaurs with their life energy powered star fighters never show up again.
Compare it to the Interdictor which, once it was introduced, became a mainstay of the Imperial fleet in the old EU. They were used in pretty much any media that Star Wars existed in outside of the original movies; games, novels, comics.
On the other hand, recognizing a light carrier as a necessary role in transporting fighters around when a Star Destroyer wasn't available, yeah I'd guess most people who watch Star Wars could connect those dots.
Yeah, the Flurry's class of ships was much more obscure. That is arguably a design that only "hardcore" fans would recognize--they appeared in one book, or very few, and a handful of ship-centric games like Star Wars Rebellion.
Imperial interdiction ships, on the other hand, are probably the best known capital ships that weren't in the actual films--they're in a lot of different books, and a lot of different games. The fighter equivalent from the same period would probably be the TIE Defender--an EU design (visually originating, like the interdiction ships, in TIE Fighter) that's among the best known. I wouldn't be entirely surprised if those appeared in Rebels too, as some elite mooks who get shot down.
Yeah, the Flurry's class of ships was much more obscure. That is arguably a design that only "hardcore" fans would recognize--they appeared in one book, or very few, and a handful of ship-centric games like Star Wars Rebellion.
Imperial interdiction ships, on the other hand, are probably the best known capital ships that weren't in the actual films--they're in a lot of different books, and a lot of different games. The fighter equivalent from the same period would probably be the TIE Defender--an EU design (visually originating, like the interdiction ships, in TIE Fighter) that's among the best known. I wouldn't be entirely surprised if those appeared in Rebels too, as some elite mooks who get shot down.
I'm sure they'll kill half a dozen female A-Wing pilots on their way down though.
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Yeah, the Flurry's class of ships was much more obscure. That is arguably a design that only "hardcore" fans would recognize--they appeared in one book, or very few, and a handful of ship-centric games like Star Wars Rebellion.
Imperial interdiction ships, on the other hand, are probably the best known capital ships that weren't in the actual films--they're in a lot of different books, and a lot of different games. The fighter equivalent from the same period would probably be the TIE Defender--an EU design (visually originating, like the interdiction ships, in TIE Fighter) that's among the best known. I wouldn't be entirely surprised if those appeared in Rebels too, as some elite mooks who get shot down.
I'm sure they'll kill half a dozen female A-Wing pilots on their way down though.
I never saw that specific episode in Rebels (as with Clone Wars, the show personally has not clicked with me, but that's neither here nor there), but I do find it hilarious that this isn't the first time I've heard that exact jab made.
I'll definitely be happy if Rebels is going to finally turn things a bit more into the Ezra and Sabine show
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Did the creators ever clarify what happened to Ashoka in last season's finale?
It seemed pretty obvious to me that she had survived the battle with Vader, but was walking back into the temple to contemplate everything after getting confirmation that Vader was Anakin, but the theory that she had died and that was some afterlife thing seemed to be pretty popular.
Did the creators ever clarify what happened to Ashoka in last season's finale?
It seemed pretty obvious to me that she had survived the battle with Vader, but was walking back into the temple to contemplate everything after getting confirmation that Vader was Anakin, but the theory that she had died and that was some afterlife thing seemed to be pretty popular.
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They are basically playing it coy. But he did say originally that was to be the end of her story. She may return, how we don't know.
Did the creators ever clarify what happened to Ashoka in last season's finale?
It seemed pretty obvious to me that she had survived the battle with Vader, but was walking back into the temple to contemplate everything after getting confirmation that Vader was Anakin, but the theory that she had died and that was some afterlife thing seemed to be pretty popular.
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Survived the battle with Vader and tricked him into thinking she'd died, but decided that there was no beating him and the Emperor, and gave into despair. She then spends the next ??? years on Malachor learning the dark side of the Force, intending to use it to defeat Vader and Palpatine and then to end herself to break the cycle.
And hopefully shows up years later as an old woman, feeling pretty silly about how her plan worked out.
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Did the creators ever clarify what happened to Ashoka in last season's finale?
It seemed pretty obvious to me that she had survived the battle with Vader, but was walking back into the temple to contemplate everything after getting confirmation that Vader was Anakin, but the theory that she had died and that was some afterlife thing seemed to be pretty popular.
I like
Survived the battle with Vader and tricked him into thinking she'd died, but decided that there was no beating him and the Emperor, and gave into despair. She then spends the next ??? years on Malachor learning the dark side of the Force, intending to use it to defeat Vader and Palpatine and then to end herself to break the cycle.
And hopefully shows up years later as an old woman, feeling pretty silly about how her plan worked out. who is now a Sith bent on conquering the galaxy herself.
Did the creators ever clarify what happened to Ashoka in last season's finale?
It seemed pretty obvious to me that she had survived the battle with Vader, but was walking back into the temple to contemplate everything after getting confirmation that Vader was Anakin, but the theory that she had died and that was some afterlife thing seemed to be pretty popular.
It's pretty clear.
Her story is over, she's dead. There's no reason for her to have survived other than being Filoni's pet.
Did the creators ever clarify what happened to Ashoka in last season's finale?
It seemed pretty obvious to me that she had survived the battle with Vader, but was walking back into the temple to contemplate everything after getting confirmation that Vader was Anakin, but the theory that she had died and that was some afterlife thing seemed to be pretty popular.
It's pretty clear.
Her story is over, she's dead. There's no reason for her to have survived other than being Filoni's pet.
It's not that clear
At least not in the way you say it is,
We clearly saw her walking into the temple after the fight
Did the creators ever clarify what happened to Ashoka in last season's finale?
It seemed pretty obvious to me that she had survived the battle with Vader, but was walking back into the temple to contemplate everything after getting confirmation that Vader was Anakin, but the theory that she had died and that was some afterlife thing seemed to be pretty popular.
It's pretty clear.
Her story is over, she's dead. There's no reason for her to have survived other than being Filoni's pet.
It's not that clear
At least not in the way you say it is,
We clearly saw her walking into the temple after the fight
Not what I saw.
I saw a ghost vanish into the darkness, the last gasp of a bygone age destroyed by the Sith.
The interview with the "wolves" included a quote from the show's creator saying he doesn't think her story is over. Her fate was left ambiguous for a reason, and I still think her ultimate role will end up being the influence that pushes Vader from outright villain to the conflicted father we see in Jedi.
Did the creators ever clarify what happened to Ashoka in last season's finale?
It seemed pretty obvious to me that she had survived the battle with Vader, but was walking back into the temple to contemplate everything after getting confirmation that Vader was Anakin, but the theory that she had died and that was some afterlife thing seemed to be pretty popular.
It's pretty clear.
Her story is over, she's dead. There's no reason for her to have survived other than being Filoni's pet.
It's not that clear
At least not in the way you say it is,
We clearly saw her walking into the temple after the fight
Not what I saw.
I saw a ghost vanish into the darkness, the last gasp of a bygone age destroyed by the Sith.
You have a very broad definition of "clear" then...
Did the creators ever clarify what happened to Ashoka in last season's finale?
It seemed pretty obvious to me that she had survived the battle with Vader, but was walking back into the temple to contemplate everything after getting confirmation that Vader was Anakin, but the theory that she had died and that was some afterlife thing seemed to be pretty popular.
It's pretty clear.
Her story is over, she's dead. There's no reason for her to have survived other than being Filoni's pet.
It's not that clear
At least not in the way you say it is,
We clearly saw her walking into the temple after the fight
Not what I saw.
I saw a ghost vanish into the darkness, the last gasp of a bygone age destroyed by the Sith.
You have a very broad definition of "clear" them...
I mean, I get the fun of a good nerd theory, but I am also genre savvy enough to realize what it means when there is an ambiguous "death" where you don't actually see the death or the body.
Ahsoka is as dead as The Master is on any given episode of Doctor Who that ends with him/her dead.
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Um, no he couldn't. Vader toys with him throughout the Empire duel, uses one arm before deciding to get serious and cutting Luke's hand off. Luke disarms Vader in ROTJ after 3 years of training, but Vader was trying to tempt Luke to the dark side, not defeat him.
He at least had training though, Obi and Yoda both taught him. There is three years between when Obi first started teaching him the basics of using a lightsaber, and episode 5, where Luke gets beat up by Vader pretty badly. Then another four between 5 and 6. Not to mention Vader holding back since he was his son, and wanting to convert him, not kill him.
3+ years into his training, and Luke was still having troubles using the force to move rocks.
Rey sees someone use the force once, and instantly copies them perfectly. Picks up a lightsaber for the first time, and wrecks someone who had destroyed the new jedi order (even if he was wounded). Finn did the same thing with the lightsaber, to a degree.
I don't have a problem with Rey being the heroine, or being strong in the force. She just got there with no effort or time on her part and against previous canon. Its a problem with the movie in general, where everything is just presented as "this is the villain, and this is the hero, deal with it.", without actually making it feel like either should actually be true.
huh? I always thought the movies were a year apart.
Oh you are right, I mangled that badly. It's three years between 4 and 5, then one more between 5 and 6, for 4 total.
Yavin -> 3yrs -> Hoth -> 1 yr -> Endor
That's what good fantasy, or fiction, does. It can't be too easy for the heroes to win or it drains the tension and gets boring.The bad guys outclassing the good guys is a tradition because it works. It needs to be well written, however.
They have done an amazing job with easter eggs. I'm in season 2 episode 14 I think. Phoenix squadron has a plan to capture an imperial carrier. They need Hara's dad's help.
Anyways I recognized the carrier immediately from the EU. I knew the ship's name and the book it's from right away.
It's from Truce at Bakura . It's the Flurry.
I whipped out my old old old guide to ships and vehicles to check. Sure enough I'm right.
I'm bragging about it to my wife and not getting the reaction I want. I'm pretty awesome though right?
Part of me is mad they are reusing things from the EU. But another part is so happy to see things like this that only hardcore fans would recognize. It's nice to see it get screen time.
What other easter eggs should I watch out for?
Godspeed, Ironsides.
If you played KOTOR 2, there's a very interesting name drop at the end of season 2. It doesn't seem to match up especially well but that could be any number of things.
Think about it this way, with the EU pretty much axed, Rebels including these things is the only way they really are able to continue in the canon universe.
I'm not sure if this even true. The thing is, Star Wars films and TV series in general have huge gaps when it comes to sensible ship roles in vaguely-modern naval doctrine. Having "sexy" blockade runners and giant cruisers does not a naval force make.
If you played any LucasArts space combat simulation from the last +20 years, you'd recognize the Immobilizer 418-class interdiction cruiser, because they were pretty damn important (basically ending the whole "escape to hyperspace" plot point). They've appeared in Rebels too (or at least a very similar design doing the same role has).
I'm not sure if only "hardcore" fans would recognize the ship though. Personally, I'd rather have them create a new design for an Interdiction ship as oppose to taking something from Zahn's Thrawn Trilogy and TIE Fighter. but that's just me.
I'd say it's a fair bet that the ship wouldn't be recognized by people who weren't big Star Wars fans, seeing as how (outside of RPG source books or ship guides) it only appeared in one novel, and that one (Truce at Bakura) tends to be overlooked by much of the rest of the EU. The Flurry (or a Quasar class light cruiser of any other name) never (to the best of my knowledge) showed up in a video game, and was destroyed at the end of the novel that introduced it. Beyond that, outside of a few off hand mentions, the space dinosaurs with their life energy powered star fighters never show up again.
Compare it to the Interdictor which, once it was introduced, became a mainstay of the Imperial fleet in the old EU. They were used in pretty much any media that Star Wars existed in outside of the original movies; games, novels, comics.
On the other hand, recognizing a light carrier as a necessary role in transporting fighters around when a Star Destroyer wasn't available, yeah I'd guess most people who watch Star Wars could connect those dots.
Imperial interdiction ships, on the other hand, are probably the best known capital ships that weren't in the actual films--they're in a lot of different books, and a lot of different games. The fighter equivalent from the same period would probably be the TIE Defender--an EU design (visually originating, like the interdiction ships, in TIE Fighter) that's among the best known. I wouldn't be entirely surprised if those appeared in Rebels too, as some elite mooks who get shot down.
I'm sure they'll kill half a dozen female A-Wing pilots on their way down though.
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I never saw that specific episode in Rebels (as with Clone Wars, the show personally has not clicked with me, but that's neither here nor there), but I do find it hilarious that this isn't the first time I've heard that exact jab made.
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Looks like a decent time jump.
I call bullshit. Ahsoka wouldn't cheat on Ventress like that
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Ah, but for the canon that almost was.
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And hopefully shows up years later as an old woman, feeling pretty silly about how her plan worked out.
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You have a very broad definition of "clear" then...
Ahsoka is as dead as The Master is on any given episode of Doctor Who that ends with him/her dead.