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Daylight Savings

QuidQuid Definitely not a bananaRegistered User regular
edited November 2014 in Debate and/or Discourse
I'm just going to copy the rationale directly out of Wikipedia:
Industrialized societies generally follow a clock-based schedule for daily activities that does not change throughout the course of the year. The time of day that individuals begin and end work or school, and the coordination of mass transit, for example, usually remain constant year-round. In contrast, an agrarian society's daily routines for work and personal conduct are more likely governed by the length of daylight hours and solar time, which change seasonally (in most places the day's daylight is longer in summer and shorter in winter), due to the Earth's axial tilt. This effect is greater as one moves away from the equator.

By synchronously resetting all clocks in a region to be one hour ahead of Standard Time (one hour "fast"), individuals who follow such a year-round schedule will wake an hour earlier than they would have otherwise; they will begin and complete daily work routines an hour earlier, and they will have an extra hour of daylight after their workday activities. However they will have one less hour of daylight at the start of each day, making the policy less practical during winter.
While the times of sunrise and sunset change at roughly equal rates as the seasons change, proponents of Daylight Saving Time argue that most people prefer a greater increase in daylight hours after the typical "nine-to-five" workday. Supporters have also argued that DST decreases energy consumption by reducing the need for lighting and heating, but the actual effect on overall energy use is heavily disputed. (See: Dispute over benefits and drawbacks section)
The manipulation of time at higher latitudes (for example Iceland, Nunavut or Alaska) has little impact on daily life, because the length of day and night changes more extremely throughout the seasons (in comparison to other latitudes), and thus sunrise and sunset times are significantly out of sync with standard working hours regardless of manipulations of the clock. DST is also of little use for locations near the equator, because these regions see only a small variation in daylight throughout the year.

Personally I don't understand why it's still a thing. Does anyone actually need it? As far as I can tell it exists solely by inertia and certain groups wanting everyone else to adjust around them rather than vice versa.

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Daylight Savings 344 votes

I regard daylight savings positively.
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I think it's a big fat dumb.
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  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo We are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourse Registered User regular
    I think it's a big fat dumb.
    So dumb, although it was useful last week as the US do it a week later than Europe so the time difference became a bit more reasonable, which is nice for work.

    Otherwise though, it means it gets dark at 4pm.

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    I think it's a big fat dumb.
    I honestly don't care too much which side of it we go with. I'd just like the government to pick one and call it a day.

  • LostNinjaLostNinja Registered User regular
    I think it's a big fat dumb.
    It's dumb, but I do like it a whole lot better in the fall when I gain an hour than in the spring.

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  • Donovan PuppyfuckerDonovan Puppyfucker A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered User regular
    I regard daylight savings positively.
    I am NOT a morning person. I hate getting out of bed pretty much every day, even on weekends when I sleep in.

    Daylight savings is the fucking way and the light, man.

    A whole extra hour of afternoon in summertime? Fucks yeah, complainers can suck it up like I do and get on with barbequeing and partying in the evenings.

  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    I think it's a big fat dumb.
    I am NOT a morning person. I hate getting out of bed pretty much every day, even on weekends when I sleep in.

    Daylight savings is the fucking way and the light, man.

    A whole extra hour of afternoon in summertime? Fucks yeah, complainers can suck it up like I do and get on with barbequeing and partying in the evenings.

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    I'm fine sticking with the later daylight hours. Just stay on one.

  • ShadowhopeShadowhope Baa. Registered User regular
    I think it's a big fat dumb.

    It's one of those things we do because we've been doing it for a while.

    I have no problem with it having been implemented in the first place. With less data to draw on, the reasons put forward to make it happen made sufficient sense at the time. Now that we can actually see that it's useless, it's time for it to go.

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  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator, Administrator admin
    I think it's a big fat dumb.
    Yeah, pick one and stick with one.

    Preferrably the one that gives me more daylight during winter. I'm tired of all the draugr roaming the streets at night here in Scandinavia.

  • ronyaronya Arrrrrf. the ivory tower's basementRegistered User regular
    Move the entire continental US to the same time, and encourage states to set their own shifting office hours, keeping the same clock.

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    I think it's a big fat dumb.
    Communist.

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  • KalkinoKalkino Buttons Londres Registered User regular
    I regard daylight savings positively.
    I quite like it. But I could take or leave it really.

    It doesn't seem like an issue that affects me much at all, so I find it hard to be passionate either way

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  • HandgimpHandgimp R+L=J Family PhotoRegistered User regular
    I think it's a big fat dumb.
    It got me an extra hour at the bar this morning, but sometimes it makes me do an extra hour at work.

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  • CantidoCantido Registered User regular
    edited November 2014
    I regard daylight savings positively.
    I'm in Korea, missing Daylight Savings time dearly.

    Praise the Sun, bitches.

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    I think it's a big fat dumb.
    Handgimp wrote: »
    It got me an extra hour at the bar this morning, but sometimes it makes me do an extra hour at work.
    Oh man.

    Having a night watch when it happens is the worst.

  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    I regard daylight savings positively.
    I have a crazy work schedule and am up at all hours of the day, depending on which day of the week it was. If there was no daylights savings time, the sun would be out at 4AM in the summer, which is less than ideal for me, but at the same time I'd like there to be some sunlight at 7AM in the winter.

  • RedTideRedTide Registered User regular
    I think it's a big fat dumb.
    More like daylight slavings, m I rite?

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  • a5ehrena5ehren AtlantaRegistered User regular
    I think it's a big fat dumb.
    DST is stupid. Rationalize the time zones and then leave it alone.

  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Let's get to twerk! The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    I think it's a big fat dumb.
    Even Russia has figured out this is dumb.

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  • PLAPLA The process.Registered User regular
    I regard daylight savings positively.
    The solution is obviously to change the time more often, with greater regional variation.

  • iTunesIsEviliTunesIsEvil Cornfield? Cornfield.Registered User regular
    I think it's a big fat dumb.
    B...b...but, farmers, guys! Or something. Economic impact, etc.

    My stupid state didn't observe this shit for the longest time, then we were all like "hey, let's join the stupid-train" in 2006.

    It'd be less of a pain in the dick if I didn't have a kid. Kids don't like going to sleep when it looks like it's noon outside, apparently.

  • davidsdurionsdavidsdurions Your Trusty Meatshield Panhandle NebraskaRegistered User regular
    edited November 2014
    I think it's a big fat dumb.
    Fuck DST. And while we're at it, fuck clocks. My body is well designed to wake and sleep on its own with the sun. My teenage insomniac self would have preferred a school schedule that didn't require me to function on less than four hours of sleep. My current parenting self would appreciate just being able to keep up with babby's sleep/wake schedule. Which, coindentally has followed the sun almost precisely the last coupe of months. Weird.

    Edit: mobile posting, yay!

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  • MayabirdMayabird Pecking at the keyboardRegistered User regular
    I think it's a big fat dumb.
    The only economic impact is that it kills people. There's an increase in heart attacks right after daylight savings time starts which does not have a corresponding decrease when our hour is given back without interest. There's an increase in the rate of fatal accidents in the spring and fall shifts. There are no benefits. Continuing daylight savings time is murder and it should be eliminated.

  • MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    I think it's a big fat dumb.
    Mayabird wrote: »
    The only economic impact is that it kills people. There's an increase in heart attacks right after daylight savings time starts which does not have a corresponding decrease when our hour is given back without interest.

    Guess their time was up.

    It's pretty stupid. A holdover from our pathetic dirt-scrambling past.

  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    I think it's a big fat dumb.
    Making it so it's dark the second get out of work?

    fuck that noise

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  • PLAPLA The process.Registered User regular
    I regard daylight savings positively.
    Chicago and New York should be on separate schedules.

  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    I think it's a big fat dumb.
    The whole point of mechanical clocks is to aid in coordination. Having a universally agreed upon time when 11:00 is 11:00 is 11:00 makes sense because it is universal. Having that change to a different time, the change itself occurring on different days, and going in different directions depending on being in the northern or summer hemisphere is the antithesis of the problem that clocks were invented to solve. And it isn't even universally applied anyway.

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  • The WolfmanThe Wolfman Registered User regular
    Get rid of the hour forward one, that's dumb.

    We can keep the hour back, it's ok.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    I think it's a big fat dumb.
    Somehow this is all Quid's fault

  • descdesc Goretexing to death Registered User regular
    I think it's a big fat dumb.
    It's all downside. You lose an hour of sleep in the spring and I've been lying awake in bed since 4:30 AM this morning waiting for yoga because the world is pushed back an hour.

    We live on a sphere that wobbles in circles around the sun. Let's just accept that and abolish daylight savings.

  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    I think it's a big fat dumb.
    Somehow this is all Quid's fault

    I missed the shot from the time machine.

  • CaptainPeacockCaptainPeacock Board Game Hoarder Top o' the LakeRegistered User regular
    I think it's a big fat dumb.
    I regard DST more or less like the Iron Sheikh's Twitter feed does most things: "FUCK THE DST DUMB SON OF BITCH RAISIN BALLS".

    Steal a precious hour from my life and give it back later in the year? Throw it on the trash heap, I say.

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  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    edited November 2014
    I think it's a big fat dumb.
    My state is considering giving it up this year in the legislature.

    Among the concerns cited:

    Does not measurably cut down on energy usage

    Causes a measurable increase in health problems, e.g. The rate of people dying of heart attacks in the few weeks after the time switch jumps by a statistically significant amount every year, "night people"have documented difficulty adjusting to the switch leading to reduced work output, it increases the number of tardy students in classrooms for a period of time after the switch, and kids have a particular difficulty adjusting.


    There's no longer any upside to this, and there is a lot of downside.

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  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator, Administrator admin
    I think it's a big fat dumb.
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  • MayabirdMayabird Pecking at the keyboardRegistered User regular
    I think it's a big fat dumb.
    What state and have you written your rep about it?

    Maybe I should write my rep about it here, send letters to the paper, but then Iowa is full of old farmers.

  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Let's get to twerk! The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    I think it's a big fat dumb.
    I read recently that it also had a lot to do with getting more work out of factory workers.

    So I'm not saying that you're a class traitor and a tool of the bourgeoise if you support DST but...

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  • davidsdurionsdavidsdurions Your Trusty Meatshield Panhandle NebraskaRegistered User regular
    I think it's a big fat dumb.
    I don't even buy the old timey reason for DST. My grandpa never cared what time it was, if the sun was coming up in an hour you had better be on your way to the field to get that day's work done before the sun was gone again. Didn't matter what your watch said.

  • JarsJars Registered User regular
    I regard daylight savings positively.
    having to wake up when it's still dark out is the absolute worst and it has never affected me in any way so

  • redxredx I(x)=2(x)+1 whole numbersRegistered User regular
    I think it's a big fat dumb.
    But... Like farmers don't even give a fuck cause, like, "Yup, the sun is up. Whoo boy, I better get outside and use all the available sunlight farming, like I do every fucking day, boy howdy."

    They moistly come out at night, moistly.
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