Am I the only person in the world that considers metal a subset of rock?
Nah, if you go to a record store, you've got Pop, Rock, Hip-Hop, Jazz, Classical, Country, Vocal, New Age, and World Music and that's pretty much it.
See the thing about how record stores organize music, imo, is that it's so general. If you can find Slayer in the same section as you find the Goo Goo Dolls... theres something wrong. They definitely are not in the same genre of music.
Am I the only person in the world that considers metal a subset of rock?
Nah, if you go to a record store, you've got Pop, Rock, Hip-Hop, Jazz, Classical, Country, Vocal, New Age, and World Music and that's pretty much it.
See the thing about how record stores organize music, imo, is that it's so general. If you can find Slayer in the same section as you find the Goo Goo Dolls... theres something wrong. They definitely are not in the same genre of music.
Not really. The purpose is to make stuff easier to find, not to be categorize everything endlessly.
Am I the only person in the world that considers metal a subset of rock?
Nah, if you go to a record store, you've got Pop, Rock, Hip-Hop, Jazz, Classical, Country, Vocal, New Age, and World Music and that's pretty much it.
See the thing about how record stores organize music, imo, is that it's so general. If you can find Slayer in the same section as you find the Goo Goo Dolls... theres something wrong. They definitely are not in the same genre of music.
Not really. The purpose is to make stuff easier to find, not to be categorize everything endlessly.
I was relating how a record store (while easily organizing music) isn't a great way to categorize music, a la "Hey, the record store has it under rock: therefore, it's genre is rock."
there's a discussion about genres in the "so: is this music" thread.
the correct term for a pinch harmonic is "metal squeal," but if you want to know what new places coheed and cambria have taken rock, look in your toilet bowl.
I don't ever recall Stairway to Heaven being an anthem. In fact it's quite overplayed nowadays (for a Zep song) and I don't really find it enjoyable anymore.
Also the new bands of rock (for better or worse) have progressed beyond the larger-than-life sex/drugs/rockNroll style. Sure some new bands try to emmulate it, but you can tell it's deliberate and isn't the same. Avenged Sevenfold is a pretty good example. Get rid of the tattoos and "lol we're sooo badassss" and you have a bunch of rich white boys from Orange County. Hardly rock and roll if you ask me.
My diagnosis? Severe lack of widespread heroin use - damn health conscious society.
It used to be live fast, die young! Now it's drink green tea and rock till your 65 for the established acts, and as far as our generation goes, they're just foregoing the whole generation defining music thing all together apparently.
Stairway to Heaven was an anthem for a whole generation.
We seriously need a Wyld Stallyns.
Someone who rocks so hard over the Internet that the whole world changes.
But seriously, since there are now so many subgenres of rock, it will probably be impossible to have a "next evolution" of it. Sure, there can be subgenres of the different subgenres, but lots of stuff is so far apart that it's silly to consider it the same genre (Example: The Hold Steady and Mastodon are pretty much opposite sides of the spectrum, one being more pop-oriented and the other being just loud.)
Am I the only person in the world that considers metal a subset of rock?
Nah, if you go to a record store, you've got Pop, Rock, Hip-Hop, Jazz, Classical, Country, Vocal, New Age, and World Music and that's pretty much it.
See the thing about how record stores organize music, imo, is that it's so general. If you can find Slayer in the same section as you find the Goo Goo Dolls... theres something wrong. They definitely are not in the same genre of music.
Not really. The purpose is to make stuff easier to find, not to be categorize everything endlessly.
I was relating how a record store (while easily organizing music) isn't a great way to categorize music, a la "Hey, the record store has it under rock: therefore, it's genre is rock."
Broadly speaking, I think it's fair to call them both rock. Rock is a really broad genre. I, personally, wouldn't care to categorize them more specifically than that in my collection. How specifically you categorize bands is pretty much a matter of choice.
Ugh, the whole point of punk was to be a response to the pretentiousness of the Rock Gods who created a wall between themselves and the audience and to create something that was down and dirty and "real" as opposed to the overblown grandiosity that 70s rock became.
I don't ever recall Stairway to Heaven being an anthem. In fact it's quite overplayed nowadays (for a Zep song) and I don't really find it enjoyable anymore.
Also the new bands of rock (for better or worse) have progressed beyond the larger-than-life sex/drugs/rockNroll style. Sure some new bands try to emmulate it, but you can tell it's deliberate and isn't the same. Avenged Sevenfold is a pretty good example. Get rid of the tattoos and "lol we're sooo badassss" and you have a bunch of rich white boys from Orange County. Hardly rock and roll if you ask me.
It's funny because Avenged Sevenfold was exactly who I was envisioning when you were talking about people trying too hard to be rock gods. They were a much more enjoyable level of ridiculous before they started to think it was okay to be Guns n' Roses 2.
Ugh, the whole point of punk was to be a response to the pretentiousness of the Rock Gods who created a wall between themselves and the audience and to create something that was down and dirty and "real" as opposed to the overblown grandiosity that 70s rock became.
We don't need rock gods anymore. We've moved on.
These were pretty much my thoughts exactly on people saying we need rock gods again. I forgot about the whole punk aspect though. It's cool and all to look back on the guitar heroes and such when rock was becoming the "big thing" but nowadays we don't need it.
Punk may have been a response to 70s rock excess, but then so was grunge to 80s rock excess. I'd argue that's its cyclical if anything - ratchet it up, bring it back down to earth, retool it and make it unique and ratchet it up again! So bring on the 21st century rock gods!!!!!!
When today's examples are bands like Avenged Sevenfold (and bands like Green Day if you want to stretch it), and people worshiping musicians post-humously like Kurt Cobain, Bradley Nowell and Dimebag Darell who may have been good while alive but are given ridiculous treatment now (not to disrespect the dead however), I think it's time to move on.
I don't think we need today's rock musicians to "ratchet it up" again. I'm quite fine with bands who just play really awesome shit, and don't need to act like pretentious "omg im just so amazing" "gods."
Mind you this doesn't mean I don't enjoy listening to "larger-than-life" bands of yore, but I honestly don't think we need it today.
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Not at all. The problem is that people have created so many fucking subgenres for rock that it borders on ridiculous.
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Nah, if you go to a record store, you've got Pop, Rock, Hip-Hop, Jazz, Classical, Country, Vocal, New Age, and World Music and that's pretty much it.
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See the thing about how record stores organize music, imo, is that it's so general. If you can find Slayer in the same section as you find the Goo Goo Dolls... theres something wrong. They definitely are not in the same genre of music.
End of Story for me anyways..
I was relating how a record store (while easily organizing music) isn't a great way to categorize music, a la "Hey, the record store has it under rock: therefore, it's genre is rock."
the correct term for a pinch harmonic is "metal squeal," but if you want to know what new places coheed and cambria have taken rock, look in your toilet bowl.
I'm not sure where its going, but i hope it steers away from Nickleback/Daughtry/Buckcherry pop(cock)rock sound.
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I saw them last year with Fear Before the March of Flames. That was an awesome show.
What happened to the Rock Gods?
Stairway to Heaven was an anthem for a whole generation.
We seriously need a Wyld Stallyns.
Someone who rocks so hard over the Internet that the whole world changes.
Also the new bands of rock (for better or worse) have progressed beyond the larger-than-life sex/drugs/rockNroll style. Sure some new bands try to emmulate it, but you can tell it's deliberate and isn't the same. Avenged Sevenfold is a pretty good example. Get rid of the tattoos and "lol we're sooo badassss" and you have a bunch of rich white boys from Orange County. Hardly rock and roll if you ask me.
It used to be live fast, die young! Now it's drink green tea and rock till your 65 for the established acts, and as far as our generation goes, they're just foregoing the whole generation defining music thing all together apparently.
Larger than Life characters.
"Power, Mystery and the Hammer of the Gods." ala Jimmy Page kind of deal.
But seriously, since there are now so many subgenres of rock, it will probably be impossible to have a "next evolution" of it. Sure, there can be subgenres of the different subgenres, but lots of stuff is so far apart that it's silly to consider it the same genre (Example: The Hold Steady and Mastodon are pretty much opposite sides of the spectrum, one being more pop-oriented and the other being just loud.)
We don't need rock gods anymore. We've moved on.
These were pretty much my thoughts exactly on people saying we need rock gods again. I forgot about the whole punk aspect though. It's cool and all to look back on the guitar heroes and such when rock was becoming the "big thing" but nowadays we don't need it.
Hence why I brought up Avenged Sevenfold.
To what??
Punk may have been a response to 70s rock excess, but then so was grunge to 80s rock excess. I'd argue that's its cyclical if anything - ratchet it up, bring it back down to earth, retool it and make it unique and ratchet it up again! So bring on the 21st century rock gods!!!!!!
I don't think we need today's rock musicians to "ratchet it up" again. I'm quite fine with bands who just play really awesome shit, and don't need to act like pretentious "omg im just so amazing" "gods."
Mind you this doesn't mean I don't enjoy listening to "larger-than-life" bands of yore, but I honestly don't think we need it today.