I let the chargers die, because it was obviously the right thing to do. Bummer though. Is that the end of Iron Bull's plot pretty much?
This god damn decision. I knew it was the right thing to do. An alliance with the Qunari is huge
But nope can't do it. Can't let the charges die. God I hate to think of what the dialogue with Bull would even be after that
for me it was more that I just don't trust the Qunari. Not just because they're a bunch of religious fanatics with an eye for world domination, but that's a big part of it. Being unsure of when they would decide that a lone thief stealing something was grounds for occupying and ultimately sacking a city is another.
Now that I have the arcane warrior thing I'm finding the combat a lot more enjoyable. You have to pick the right skills, not just the blasts. Using the ice teleport thing and the spirit sword make everything feel more dynamic.
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Now that I have the arcane warrior thing I'm finding the combat a lot more enjoyable. You have to pick the right skills, not just the blasts. Using the ice teleport thing and the spirit sword make everything feel more dynamic.
There's a rogue ability that lets you throw a rope and hook and latch on to guys and go flying towards them. It can be upgraded so that it has no cooldown or stamina use and then it is a blast to go zipping around the battlefield.
Post-Adamant, minor spoilers for a conversation with Solas
He's really upset about the Grey Wardens' plan, but not for the reasons I would have expected
He entirely writes off the whole demon army as a non-issue but he's really mad that they even tried to circumvent future Blights
He says a Blight "is not something to be smugly outwitted"
That... seems like an odd attitude to have, Solas
Blights are an awful thing but they always happen so it's best to just... let it happen and deal with it in a reactive way?
The Wardens did awful dumb stupid things because they're morons but I don't think the idea of trying to find a way around Blights is bad at its core, and I'm a little worried that your stance on it is kinda fatalistic and not what this Inquisition stands for
Post-Adamant, minor spoilers for a conversation with Solas
He's really upset about the Grey Wardens' plan, but not for the reasons I would have expected
He entirely writes off the whole demon army as a non-issue but he's really mad that they even tried to circumvent future Blights
He says a Blight "is not something to be smugly outwitted"
That... seems like an odd attitude to have, Solas
Blights are an awful thing but they always happen so it's best to just... let it happen and deal with it in a reactive way?
The Wardens did awful dumb stupid things because they're morons but I don't think the idea of trying to find a way around Blights is bad at its core, and I'm a little worried that your stance on it is kinda fatalistic and not what this Inquisition stands for
well solas wouldn't know about this but
there was a guy who tried to outwit the blight before called the architect and he just ended up causing one prematurely
if the grey wardens tried to assault sleeping old gods it's just as likely something would go bad in that manner and the sixth blight would appear before the world is ready for it
Post-Adamant, minor spoilers for a conversation with Solas
He's really upset about the Grey Wardens' plan, but not for the reasons I would have expected
He entirely writes off the whole demon army as a non-issue but he's really mad that they even tried to circumvent future Blights
He says a Blight "is not something to be smugly outwitted"
That... seems like an odd attitude to have, Solas
Blights are an awful thing but they always happen so it's best to just... let it happen and deal with it in a reactive way?
The Wardens did awful dumb stupid things because they're morons but I don't think the idea of trying to find a way around Blights is bad at its core, and I'm a little worried that your stance on it is kinda fatalistic and not what this Inquisition stands for
On some level he's not wrong
The Wardens kind of do work in methods that they don't seem to entirely understand
Like, they can kill an Archdemon because they are tainted by the blight
Post-Adamant, minor spoilers for a conversation with Solas
He's really upset about the Grey Wardens' plan, but not for the reasons I would have expected
He entirely writes off the whole demon army as a non-issue but he's really mad that they even tried to circumvent future Blights
He says a Blight "is not something to be smugly outwitted"
That... seems like an odd attitude to have, Solas
Blights are an awful thing but they always happen so it's best to just... let it happen and deal with it in a reactive way?
The Wardens did awful dumb stupid things because they're morons but I don't think the idea of trying to find a way around Blights is bad at its core, and I'm a little worried that your stance on it is kinda fatalistic and not what this Inquisition stands for
well solas wouldn't know about this but
there was a guy who tried to outwit the blight before called the architect and he just ended up causing one prematurely
if the grey wardens tried to assault sleeping old gods it's just as likely something would go bad in that manner and the sixth blight would appear before the world is ready for it
Huh!
I didn't know about this Architect guy
that's interesting
that's very interesting
Post-Adamant, minor spoilers for a conversation with Solas
He's really upset about the Grey Wardens' plan, but not for the reasons I would have expected
He entirely writes off the whole demon army as a non-issue but he's really mad that they even tried to circumvent future Blights
He says a Blight "is not something to be smugly outwitted"
That... seems like an odd attitude to have, Solas
Blights are an awful thing but they always happen so it's best to just... let it happen and deal with it in a reactive way?
The Wardens did awful dumb stupid things because they're morons but I don't think the idea of trying to find a way around Blights is bad at its core, and I'm a little worried that your stance on it is kinda fatalistic and not what this Inquisition stands for
well solas wouldn't know about this but
there was a guy who tried to outwit the blight before called the architect and he just ended up causing one prematurely
if the grey wardens tried to assault sleeping old gods it's just as likely something would go bad in that manner and the sixth blight would appear before the world is ready for it
Finding Archdemons while they sleep is not a new idea. There is a mine in the Western Approach with an ancient Grey Warden journal mentioning how they got close enough to feel a sleeping Old God where the song reverberated through the walls and lyrium, but the earth was too unstable to continue digging.
Post-Adamant, minor spoilers for a conversation with Solas
He's really upset about the Grey Wardens' plan, but not for the reasons I would have expected
He entirely writes off the whole demon army as a non-issue but he's really mad that they even tried to circumvent future Blights
He says a Blight "is not something to be smugly outwitted"
That... seems like an odd attitude to have, Solas
Blights are an awful thing but they always happen so it's best to just... let it happen and deal with it in a reactive way?
The Wardens did awful dumb stupid things because they're morons but I don't think the idea of trying to find a way around Blights is bad at its core, and I'm a little worried that your stance on it is kinda fatalistic and not what this Inquisition stands for
well solas wouldn't know about this but
there was a guy who tried to outwit the blight before called the architect and he just ended up causing one prematurely
if the grey wardens tried to assault sleeping old gods it's just as likely something would go bad in that manner and the sixth blight would appear before the world is ready for it
Finding Archdemons while they sleep is not a new idea. There is a mine in the Western Approach with an ancient Grey Warden journal mentioning how they got close enough to feel a sleeping Old God where the song reverberated through the walls and lyrium, but the earth was too unstable to continue digging.
I'm pretty sure it's been mentioned before that the Wardens actually have known where all the remaining Archdemons are for awhile. It's just impossible to get to them through the endless hordes of Darkspawn underground
Regarding the look of DA2, it's a bit weird. I think all the people look pretty great, so much better than Origins*. But the environments are weirdly blocky and flat and actually worse than Origins. It's odd.
*With the exception of Sandal, who, what the hell happened to your face, Sandal.
It's not really odd, it's just what happens when a game is super rushed.
DA2 was made in less than a year, and I'm pretty sure that was (at least in part) due to EA pushing the game out too quickly.
So basically they didn't have time to have everything the game really should have had, and ended up only really developing the characters and ended up throwing environments together and having to reuse the hell out of them.
Going into DA2 with expectations set by DA:O is a doomed venture, and is a big reason why so many people hated it so much.
But, on its own, it's a pretty great game.
Also, while I do LOVE the character designs in 2, the look of characters that are meant to look like origin characters generally look rather poor.
Like, Alistair and Zevran especially look bad.
Thankfully very little from DA:O carries over into 2, so it's not a big issue.
Regarding the look of DA2, it's a bit weird. I think all the people look pretty great, so much better than Origins*. But the environments are weirdly blocky and flat and actually worse than Origins. It's odd.
*With the exception of Sandal, who, what the hell happened to your face, Sandal.
It's not really odd, it's just what happens when a game is super rushed.
DA2 was made in less than a year, and I'm pretty sure that was (at least in part) due to EA pushing the game out too quickly.
So basically they didn't have time to have everything the game really should have had, and ended up only really developing the characters and ended up throwing environments together and having to reuse the hell out of them.
Going into DA2 with expectations set by DA:O is a doomed venture, and is a big reason why so many people hated it so much.
But, on its own, it's a pretty great game.
I can vouch for this
I enjoyed it much more the second time knowing the parts I was going to hate and focusing on the good ones
I am Vashoth. The Inquisitor. I will bring order out of chaos.
Let the qunari know me, and know fear; outside of the qun, I do not need it. Outside of the qunari, I do not need them. I never have.
I am sorry, Iron Bull. I am going to take you from your people, now. I hope that the lives of your family will be enough recompense.
...I suppose it was.
We have lost nothing. Leliana's people and Iron Bull's knowledge will allow us to bring in the new Ben-Hassrath agents whether they want to pass on their information or not.
This Inquisition will not have the qunari's aid, but we would not have had it anyway, not in truth. We do not have their troops; we would not have anyway. We do not have supplies; we would not have anyway. We will keep their information.
One dreadnought for the loyalty of a fighter who loves his men? It is a fair trade.
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I am Vashoth. The Inquisitor. I will bring order out of chaos.
Let the qunari know me, and know fear; outside of the qun, I do not need it. Outside of the qunari, I do not need them. I never have.
I am sorry, Iron Bull. I am going to take you from your people, now. I hope that the lives of your family will be enough recompense.
...I suppose it was.
We have lost nothing. Leliana's people and Iron Bull's knowledge will allow us to bring in the new Ben-Hassrath agents whether they want to pass on their information or not.
This Inquisition will not have the qunari's aid, but we would not have had it anyway, not in truth. We do not have their troops; we would not have anyway. We do not have supplies; we would not have anyway. We will keep their information.
One dreadnought for the loyalty of a fighter who loves his men? It is a fair trade.
specifically, one dreadnought full of people we've never met, for the loyalty of a fighter who loves his men.
I am Vashoth. The Inquisitor. I will bring order out of chaos.
Let the qunari know me, and know fear; outside of the qun, I do not need it. Outside of the qunari, I do not need them. I never have.
I am sorry, Iron Bull. I am going to take you from your people, now. I hope that the lives of your family will be enough recompense.
...I suppose it was.
We have lost nothing. Leliana's people and Iron Bull's knowledge will allow us to bring in the new Ben-Hassrath agents whether they want to pass on their information or not.
This Inquisition will not have the qunari's aid, but we would not have had it anyway, not in truth. We do not have their troops; we would not have anyway. We do not have supplies; we would not have anyway. We will keep their information.
One dreadnought for the loyalty of a fighter who loves his men? It is a fair trade.
How is this handled?
CHOOSE YOUR PEOPLE OR YOUR FAMILY sounds like it could be kinda hackey
I am Vashoth. The Inquisitor. I will bring order out of chaos.
Let the qunari know me, and know fear; outside of the qun, I do not need it. Outside of the qunari, I do not need them. I never have.
I am sorry, Iron Bull. I am going to take you from your people, now. I hope that the lives of your family will be enough recompense.
...I suppose it was.
We have lost nothing. Leliana's people and Iron Bull's knowledge will allow us to bring in the new Ben-Hassrath agents whether they want to pass on their information or not.
This Inquisition will not have the qunari's aid, but we would not have had it anyway, not in truth. We do not have their troops; we would not have anyway. We do not have supplies; we would not have anyway. We will keep their information.
One dreadnought for the loyalty of a fighter who loves his men? It is a fair trade.
How is this handled?
CHOOSE YOUR PEOPLE OR YOUR FAMILY sounds like it could be kinda hackey
I am coloring it in the description, as I do a lot of things.
You need to complete a mission that will secure an alliance with the qunari - the entire nation. It will keep red lyrium out of Minrathous, which is enormous.
But completing the mission means that the Chargers will die holding a hill.
I am Vashoth. The Inquisitor. I will bring order out of chaos.
Let the qunari know me, and know fear; outside of the qun, I do not need it. Outside of the qunari, I do not need them. I never have.
I am sorry, Iron Bull. I am going to take you from your people, now. I hope that the lives of your family will be enough recompense.
...I suppose it was.
We have lost nothing. Leliana's people and Iron Bull's knowledge will allow us to bring in the new Ben-Hassrath agents whether they want to pass on their information or not.
This Inquisition will not have the qunari's aid, but we would not have had it anyway, not in truth. We do not have their troops; we would not have anyway. We do not have supplies; we would not have anyway. We will keep their information.
One dreadnought for the loyalty of a fighter who loves his men? It is a fair trade.
How is this handled?
CHOOSE YOUR PEOPLE OR YOUR FAMILY sounds like it could be kinda hackey
I am coloring it in the description, as I do a lot of things.
You need to complete a mission that will secure an alliance with the qunari - the entire nation. It will keep red lyrium out of Minrathous, which is enormous.
But completing the mission means that the Chargers will die holding a hill.
I guess I mean does that decision feel like it has weight
Cause without seeing the scenes that lead up to it it seems like I'd only ever pick one of those
I am Vashoth. The Inquisitor. I will bring order out of chaos.
Let the qunari know me, and know fear; outside of the qun, I do not need it. Outside of the qunari, I do not need them. I never have.
I am sorry, Iron Bull. I am going to take you from your people, now. I hope that the lives of your family will be enough recompense.
...I suppose it was.
We have lost nothing. Leliana's people and Iron Bull's knowledge will allow us to bring in the new Ben-Hassrath agents whether they want to pass on their information or not.
This Inquisition will not have the qunari's aid, but we would not have had it anyway, not in truth. We do not have their troops; we would not have anyway. We do not have supplies; we would not have anyway. We will keep their information.
One dreadnought for the loyalty of a fighter who loves his men? It is a fair trade.
How is this handled?
CHOOSE YOUR PEOPLE OR YOUR FAMILY sounds like it could be kinda hackey
I thought it was handled pretty hamfistedly. Granted, I may have missed something, but I only met or interacted with the Chargers once, when Iron Bull is going through their introductions. They didn't seemed to be anything beyond the standard wacky misfit mercenary group. Likewise, you don't meet any of the Qunari aboard the dreadnaught, they're just a faceless group to you. It was basically the most distilled version of a video game Sophie's Choice: KILL THIS GROUP OR THIS OTHER GROUP.
And honestly? Lacking any sort of attachment to either group? It was real hard for me to justify saving the five or so Chargers. Saving them means you kill an entire ship of Qunari, you don't get any more military, tactical, or political power (and specifically lose out on some missions and items), and you let more Red Lyrium into Thedas, which is real bad news.
I am Vashoth. The Inquisitor. I will bring order out of chaos.
Let the qunari know me, and know fear; outside of the qun, I do not need it. Outside of the qunari, I do not need them. I never have.
I am sorry, Iron Bull. I am going to take you from your people, now. I hope that the lives of your family will be enough recompense.
...I suppose it was.
We have lost nothing. Leliana's people and Iron Bull's knowledge will allow us to bring in the new Ben-Hassrath agents whether they want to pass on their information or not.
This Inquisition will not have the qunari's aid, but we would not have had it anyway, not in truth. We do not have their troops; we would not have anyway. We do not have supplies; we would not have anyway. We will keep their information.
One dreadnought for the loyalty of a fighter who loves his men? It is a fair trade.
How is this handled?
CHOOSE YOUR PEOPLE OR YOUR FAMILY sounds like it could be kinda hackey
I am coloring it in the description, as I do a lot of things.
You need to complete a mission that will secure an alliance with the qunari - the entire nation. It will keep red lyrium out of Minrathous, which is enormous.
But completing the mission means that the Chargers will die holding a hill.
I guess I mean does that decision feel like it has weight
Cause without seeing the scenes that lead up to it it seems like I'd only ever pick one of those
If you read into situations, yes.
If you spend a lot of time talking ot Krem, like I did, then hell yes.
I am Vashoth. The Inquisitor. I will bring order out of chaos.
Let the qunari know me, and know fear; outside of the qun, I do not need it. Outside of the qunari, I do not need them. I never have.
I am sorry, Iron Bull. I am going to take you from your people, now. I hope that the lives of your family will be enough recompense.
...I suppose it was.
We have lost nothing. Leliana's people and Iron Bull's knowledge will allow us to bring in the new Ben-Hassrath agents whether they want to pass on their information or not.
This Inquisition will not have the qunari's aid, but we would not have had it anyway, not in truth. We do not have their troops; we would not have anyway. We do not have supplies; we would not have anyway. We will keep their information.
One dreadnought for the loyalty of a fighter who loves his men? It is a fair trade.
How is this handled?
CHOOSE YOUR PEOPLE OR YOUR FAMILY sounds like it could be kinda hackey
I am coloring it in the description, as I do a lot of things.
You need to complete a mission that will secure an alliance with the qunari - the entire nation. It will keep red lyrium out of Minrathous, which is enormous.
But completing the mission means that the Chargers will die holding a hill.
I guess I mean does that decision feel like it has weight
Cause without seeing the scenes that lead up to it it seems like I'd only ever pick one of those
If you read into situations, yes.
If you spend a lot of time talking ot Krem, like I did, then hell yes.
I think that Chincy might be suggesting that's the only choice he'd ever make
I know it's the only choice I'd ever make
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Could you guys maybe label your spoilers a little better? Like with quest names at least? Its like a fucking minefield in here and I'm pretty far along in the game but had an Iron Bull thing spoiled for me by poor labeling (just said Iron Bull spoilers and I'm pretty far along with him, too)
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Toss another one on the pile of bugged mage skills.
I asked vsove if she was holding him up by the hips
It's also possible he's wearing stilts
Gathering Storm seems non-functional, it's supposed to reduce spell cooldowns by 0.5s whenever you attack with a staff.
Immolate won't detonate combos.
Walking Bomb only seems to do 200% damage on the final explosion. Just does the same damage as the rest of the damage ticks.
Mind Blast's upgrade doesn't give you any barrier upon hitting enemies.
If you toggle Blizzard on and run out of mana, it will occasionally stop working entirely so you can't recast it.
Unfortunately a few of those apply to my Necromancer in multi.
There's a rogue ability that lets you throw a rope and hook and latch on to guys and go flying towards them. It can be upgraded so that it has no cooldown or stamina use and then it is a blast to go zipping around the battlefield.
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He entirely writes off the whole demon army as a non-issue but he's really mad that they even tried to circumvent future Blights
He says a Blight "is not something to be smugly outwitted"
That... seems like an odd attitude to have, Solas
Blights are an awful thing but they always happen so it's best to just... let it happen and deal with it in a reactive way?
The Wardens did awful dumb stupid things because they're morons but I don't think the idea of trying to find a way around Blights is bad at its core, and I'm a little worried that your stance on it is kinda fatalistic and not what this Inquisition stands for
there was a guy who tried to outwit the blight before called the architect and he just ended up causing one prematurely
if the grey wardens tried to assault sleeping old gods it's just as likely something would go bad in that manner and the sixth blight would appear before the world is ready for it
The Wardens kind of do work in methods that they don't seem to entirely understand
Like, they can kill an Archdemon because they are tainted by the blight
But shit man, why does that work?
Huh!
that's interesting
that's very interesting
The Crestwood dragon had like 180k health. That's some Final Fantasy levels of damage absorption. And on-demand guard generation to boot!
Tough piece of garbage, it were
Oh Christ
Oh no
It's not really odd, it's just what happens when a game is super rushed.
DA2 was made in less than a year, and I'm pretty sure that was (at least in part) due to EA pushing the game out too quickly.
So basically they didn't have time to have everything the game really should have had, and ended up only really developing the characters and ended up throwing environments together and having to reuse the hell out of them.
Going into DA2 with expectations set by DA:O is a doomed venture, and is a big reason why so many people hated it so much.
But, on its own, it's a pretty great game.
Also, while I do LOVE the character designs in 2, the look of characters that are meant to look like origin characters generally look rather poor.
Like, Alistair and Zevran especially look bad.
Thankfully very little from DA:O carries over into 2, so it's not a big issue.
I can vouch for this
I enjoyed it much more the second time knowing the parts I was going to hate and focusing on the good ones
I am sorry, Iron Bull. I am going to take you from your people, now. I hope that the lives of your family will be enough recompense.
PSN- AHermano
PSN- AHermano
...I suppose it was.
This Inquisition will not have the qunari's aid, but we would not have had it anyway, not in truth. We do not have their troops; we would not have anyway. We do not have supplies; we would not have anyway. We will keep their information.
One dreadnought for the loyalty of a fighter who loves his men? It is a fair trade.
That
That's actually kind of touching, Bull
I don't think so, they just seem to be a sure fire way to get approval up for that character
PSN- AHermano
How is this handled?
not as far as I could tell, though Blackwall and Solas have so far refused to give me their actual missions
I am coloring it in the description, as I do a lot of things.
But completing the mission means that the Chargers will die holding a hill.
I guess I mean does that decision feel like it has weight
Cause without seeing the scenes that lead up to it it seems like I'd only ever pick one of those
just blackwall for me
I know what his deal is even, just never going to see it (although I wonder if there was something I missed...)
And honestly? Lacking any sort of attachment to either group? It was real hard for me to justify saving the five or so Chargers. Saving them means you kill an entire ship of Qunari, you don't get any more military, tactical, or political power (and specifically lose out on some missions and items), and you let more Red Lyrium into Thedas, which is real bad news.
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If you read into situations, yes.
DAMMIT YOU SWARTHY MAN
"Of course you can kill an archdemon by stabbing it to death" eh
"OF COURSE I DON'T HEAR THE CALLING" EH
I know it's the only choice I'd ever make
I'll make sure to keep using quest names in the future