So some cool people I met on dota decided to group up. Two of them wanted to try the Lifestealer-Spirit Breaker Infest gank combo. Another took Tiny because hey, why not push towers with a big old tree. I decided I'd try out KotL for the first time, and see how that recall thing fit into the mix. Our whole team picked first. The other team decided that counterpicking was for losers and went for Broodmother and Lycan.
Not a fan. I'd rather play Slark, any day. Not that I'm necessarily better with Slark, but he's just way more fun to play.
To be fair, I didn't have the best setup. All Random, I got Io, and I reflexively rejected the pick (I think I'd play a suck-ass Io) to get Riki. So we had no support on our team, and I ended up filling the role to an extent, so that hurt me. In retrospect, I should have just used the game as an opportunity to learn Io.
Not a fan. I'd rather play Slark, any day. Not that I'm necessarily better with Slark, but he's just way more fun to play.
To be fair, I didn't have the best setup. All Random, I got Io, and I reflexively rejected the pick (I think I'd play a suck-ass Io) to get Riki. So we had no support on our team, and I ended up filling the role to an extent, so that hurt me. In retrospect, I should have just used the game as an opportunity to learn Io.
Yeah I think Slark is a cooler version of what people want when they pick Riki. Even though I suck at Slark, he's so fun.
Not a fan. I'd rather play Slark, any day. Not that I'm necessarily better with Slark, but he's just way more fun to play.
To be fair, I didn't have the best setup. All Random, I got Io, and I reflexively rejected the pick (I think I'd play a suck-ass Io) to get Riki. So we had no support on our team, and I ended up filling the role to an extent, so that hurt me. In retrospect, I should have just used the game as an opportunity to learn Io.
Yeah I think Slark is a cooler version of what people want when they pick Riki. Even though I suck at Slark, he's so fun.
Riki needs some level's and items to start being a threat. He is more of an initiator/ganker these days then a pure carry.
Not a fan. I'd rather play Slark, any day. Not that I'm necessarily better with Slark, but he's just way more fun to play.
To be fair, I didn't have the best setup. All Random, I got Io, and I reflexively rejected the pick (I think I'd play a suck-ass Io) to get Riki. So we had no support on our team, and I ended up filling the role to an extent, so that hurt me. In retrospect, I should have just used the game as an opportunity to learn Io.
Yeah I think Slark is a cooler version of what people want when they pick Riki. Even though I suck at Slark, he's so fun.
They're pretty different. Slark doesn't need any regen post 6, has great starting base damage and animation, all his spells give him escape options, and he's the king of extended manfights. He's a straight bruiser.
Riki is a paper thin ganker that relies on catching people out of position. And he's super reliant on snowballing.
Not a fan. I'd rather play Slark, any day. Not that I'm necessarily better with Slark, but he's just way more fun to play.
To be fair, I didn't have the best setup. All Random, I got Io, and I reflexively rejected the pick (I think I'd play a suck-ass Io) to get Riki. So we had no support on our team, and I ended up filling the role to an extent, so that hurt me. In retrospect, I should have just used the game as an opportunity to learn Io.
Yeah I think Slark is a cooler version of what people want when they pick Riki. Even though I suck at Slark, he's so fun.
They're pretty different. Slark doesn't need any regen post 6, has great starting base damage and animation, all his spells give him escape options, and he's the king of extended manfights. He's a straight bruiser.
Riki is a paper thin ganker that relies on catching people out of position. And he's super reliant on snowballing.
I think ultimately my dislike for Riki comes down to his Ult. It seems silly overpowered, but the charge counting is a complete pain in the ass. I don't really want to kill one guy and walk away from a teamfight, I'd rather be relevant for the whole thing.
Because I struggled for so long during that game (I was feeding pretty hard for a while), I never really felt comfortable going 1-on-1 on split-pushers in the late game, and maybe that experience would have turned it around for me a little. I just really like participating and controlling teamfights, though. It's probably why I have played Warlock more than anyone, and still have a lot of success with him.
Not a fan. I'd rather play Slark, any day. Not that I'm necessarily better with Slark, but he's just way more fun to play.
To be fair, I didn't have the best setup. All Random, I got Io, and I reflexively rejected the pick (I think I'd play a suck-ass Io) to get Riki. So we had no support on our team, and I ended up filling the role to an extent, so that hurt me. In retrospect, I should have just used the game as an opportunity to learn Io.
Yeah I think Slark is a cooler version of what people want when they pick Riki. Even though I suck at Slark, he's so fun.
They're pretty different. Slark doesn't need any regen post 6, has great starting base damage and animation, all his spells give him escape options, and he's the king of extended manfights. He's a straight bruiser.
Riki is a paper thin ganker that relies on catching people out of position. And he's super reliant on snowballing.
I think ultimately my dislike for Riki comes down to his Ult. It seems silly overpowered, but the charge counting is a complete pain in the ass. I don't really want to kill one guy and walk away from a teamfight, I'd rather be relevant for the whole thing.
Because I struggled for so long during that game (I was feeding pretty hard for a while), I never really felt comfortable going 1-on-1 on split-pushers in the late game, and maybe that experience would have turned it around for me a little. I just really like participating and controlling teamfights, though. It's probably why I have played Warlock more than anyone, and still have a lot of success with him.
Riki's smoke is one of the best teamfight abilities fyi. Silence, attack speed slow, movement slow and a 70% miss chance in a AOE. You can destroy a team with bad positioning with that. Also, his ult is all about giving you mobility. Don't see it as an ability that will secure you kills in a teamfight but as an initiation/escape or to nail a straggle. Go Wand or aquila/treads + diffusal and you will melt faces and get a basher to make you a roaming gank squad. You can use diffusal blades ability to purge smoke and it does not break invisibility! Or, use it as a a slow to lock down a solo kill.
On that note, you can use any item ability while invisible so you can go plant wards to your hearts content (and should) while roaming the enemy jungle looking for solo kills.
Thanks for all the advice; all very useful. I didn't realize that casting spells didn't trigger minion aggro; that's really good to know. And yeah, the attack-moving/stutter-stepping/orb-walking/whatever that I'm familiar with in LoL feels different cause I mostly play as cowardly glass cannon autoattackers who mostly move around to kite and stay safe rather than to chase. I was really unprepared for the turn-time in DotA2; all my instincts about kiting are totally wrong because by the time I've managed to actually turn around (like 5 million seconds after I click) and actually take a step back, my opponent's already on me.
Might play some more this week and, if so, I'm sure I'll report back with more questions!
Necro is my favorite my whole team is playing carries and I don't trust them so I'll be "kinda support" guy. My brain yells "sit down!" Every time that ult hits eeeeeee
So I understood in theory why smoke ganks are so effective. Obviously popping up out of nowhere and ganking is great.
But then I tried it. I got the whole team to organise and follow me while we went looking for kills. Hot damn. Hot. Damn. The first time we completely wiped them at the rosh pit. The next time we got 3 and then pillaged the mid rax for a gg. I think I'm becoming a smoker.
I think the "got the whole team to organize" is the hardest part about smoking in pubs. Jesus, you can't even get them to stop for 0.1 seconds so you can be in range to heal the carry, and trigger Arcane Boots. You get yelled at for stacking and blocking instead of babysitting a carry who's being too ballsy and autopushing the lane.
The one thing I am definitely trying to be better about is inviting people to be friends, when I have a good team. I'm not on long enough to invite people to a party or anything, but if my friends list was deep enough with good and (more importantly) friendly players, that wouldn't be an issue.
honestly at least with pubs, if you step up and start leading i would say the majority will follow you assuming it makes sense.
granted it won't always happen but if you are not being a dick and things work out you can become the leader
Game is for 8th/9th effectively, so it does matter a bit.
It's a bit long, so maybe start from 60:00 or so.
The ending is fantastic.
man. that was great
Pretty fantastic. Had no idea you could buy things in the enemy shop.
you can pick up your stash there.
I'm very much not on the EE bandwagon. But ..... to have the presence of mind to realize, during the middle of a base-race which will ultimately be decided by like 5s, that he should to buy a deso to take throne faster is pretty sick. I would not come up with that shit.
Game is for 8th/9th effectively, so it does matter a bit.
It's a bit long, so maybe start from 60:00 or so.
The ending is fantastic.
man. that was great
Pretty fantastic. Had no idea you could buy things in the enemy shop.
you can pick up your stash there.
I'm very much not on the EE bandwagon. But ..... to have the presence of mind to realize, during the middle of a base-race which will ultimately be decided by like 5s, that he should to buy a deso to take throne faster is pretty sick. I would not come up with that shit.
reddit did the math, I think they concluded he was better off just autoattacking through it. did he go buy it while they were glyphing? if not thats valuable autoattack time wasted. plus he had mom going so the deso effect wasnt applied (and he didnt drop/pick it up properly): http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/2uigp9/and_the_final_team_in_the_top_8_is/co8rlw5
I'm pretty sure he went during the glyph because they were talking about it slowing him down, then panned back to him coming out of the Radiant shop with the deso.
EE's kind of a jerk, but he definitely knows the math of Dota.
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honestly at least with pubs, if you step up and start leading i would say the majority will follow you assuming it makes sense.
granted it won't always happen but if you are not being a dick and things work out you can become the leader
I know this to be true with TF2, but with TF2 I feel a looot more confident about what I'm asking of people, and more importantly, I can assist them in what I ask of them. DotA...I'm still not sure half the time if what I'm suggesting is even a good idea. And while I certainly have good moves and good plays, I'm still the inconsistent jackass who just fed 4 times to PA.
Nobody wants to listen to the inconsistent jackass who just fed 4 times to PA.
honestly at least with pubs, if you step up and start leading i would say the majority will follow you assuming it makes sense.
granted it won't always happen but if you are not being a dick and things work out you can become the leader
I know this to be true with TF2, but with TF2 I feel a looot more confident about what I'm asking of people, and more importantly, I can assist them in what I ask of them. DotA...I'm still not sure half the time if what I'm suggesting is even a good idea. And while I certainly have good moves and good plays, I'm still the inconsistent jackass who just fed 4 times to PA.
Nobody wants to listen to the inconsistent jackass who just fed 4 times to PA.
Yeah f that guy. There is a really awesome dynamic of getting peeps on board with a plan in the dotas.
So far as I am concerned it's ten times more painful to watch a team back off of a push with a solid opening than it is to have one guy continuously solo stupid rush or feed. So my only rally call is usually "4 of them are dead please push with me"
I love Treant Protector against a team with bad push and/or with a team that defends well. You can utterly shut down the enemy's gold supply from ganks and towers, and force them to rely on passive farm.
Burning has done that with Dusa like 5 times this tournament. They had it, until they lost too many on the retreat. I couldn't see how low the radiant throne got?
I love Treant Protector against a team with bad push and/or with a team that defends well. You can utterly shut down the enemy's gold supply from ganks and towers, and force them to rely on passive farm.
Last night- All Random- Chen
Never played Chen before, but I decided that since I ran away from Io and it burned me last time, I'd stick it out. Told my teammates what a millstone I was going to be, but they gave advice and helped me out. At one point, the Tidebringer I'm laning with says, "Pretty good Chen for a first-timer". I'm having fun, using some stuns from Neutrals to facilitate some ganks, jungle farm, etc. Things are looking up.
Then Treant gets Aghs, wards the shit out of my jungle, and I went from being "Pretty good Chen for a first-timer" to a waste of space. I felt so bad. VS and I went and killed trees, but it went on so long and they were pushing the adjacent lane so hard that the damage had been done for too long. If Chen has to play defense and has no persuaded creeps, it's a bad day.
I learned a lot about Chen, though, and now I'm kinda itching to play him again. I didn't do a very good job of farming, and now that I know what Aghs does for him, that will change.
I love Treant Protector against a team with bad push and/or with a team that defends well. You can utterly shut down the enemy's gold supply from ganks and towers, and force them to rely on passive farm.
Last night- All Random- Chen
Never played Chen before, but I decided that since I ran away from Io and it burned me last time, I'd stick it out. Told my teammates what a millstone I was going to be, but they gave advice and helped me out. At one point, the Tidebringer I'm laning with says, "Pretty good Chen for a first-timer". I'm having fun, using some stuns from Neutrals to facilitate some ganks, jungle farm, etc. Things are looking up.
Then Treant gets Aghs, wards the shit out of my jungle, and I went from being "Pretty good Chen for a first-timer" to a waste of space. I felt so bad. VS and I went and killed trees, but it went on so long and they were pushing the adjacent lane so hard that the damage had been done for too long. If Chen has to play defense and has no persuaded creeps, it's a bad day.
I learned a lot about Chen, though, and now I'm kinda itching to play him again. I didn't do a very good job of farming, and now that I know what Aghs does for him, that will change.
Hehe, that's the Treant dream game. I guarantee that player was having a great time. Sorry you were on the other end.
Honestly, Treant is such a relaxing way to play dota. His invis is there for a light ward-stroll into the enemy jungle, and if there's no other invis heroes most of the players in my bracket don't really bother to detect a random treant who never invis ganks them anyway. You can be wherever on the map, see some action, tree armour them, then go back to what you were doing. And that deep, deep tree voice.
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Not a fan. I'd rather play Slark, any day. Not that I'm necessarily better with Slark, but he's just way more fun to play.
To be fair, I didn't have the best setup. All Random, I got Io, and I reflexively rejected the pick (I think I'd play a suck-ass Io) to get Riki. So we had no support on our team, and I ended up filling the role to an extent, so that hurt me. In retrospect, I should have just used the game as an opportunity to learn Io.
Yeah I think Slark is a cooler version of what people want when they pick Riki. Even though I suck at Slark, he's so fun.
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man. that was great
Riki needs some level's and items to start being a threat. He is more of an initiator/ganker these days then a pure carry.
They're pretty different. Slark doesn't need any regen post 6, has great starting base damage and animation, all his spells give him escape options, and he's the king of extended manfights. He's a straight bruiser.
Riki is a paper thin ganker that relies on catching people out of position. And he's super reliant on snowballing.
Super great.
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I think ultimately my dislike for Riki comes down to his Ult. It seems silly overpowered, but the charge counting is a complete pain in the ass. I don't really want to kill one guy and walk away from a teamfight, I'd rather be relevant for the whole thing.
Because I struggled for so long during that game (I was feeding pretty hard for a while), I never really felt comfortable going 1-on-1 on split-pushers in the late game, and maybe that experience would have turned it around for me a little. I just really like participating and controlling teamfights, though. It's probably why I have played Warlock more than anyone, and still have a lot of success with him.
Riki's smoke is one of the best teamfight abilities fyi. Silence, attack speed slow, movement slow and a 70% miss chance in a AOE. You can destroy a team with bad positioning with that. Also, his ult is all about giving you mobility. Don't see it as an ability that will secure you kills in a teamfight but as an initiation/escape or to nail a straggle. Go Wand or aquila/treads + diffusal and you will melt faces and get a basher to make you a roaming gank squad. You can use diffusal blades ability to purge smoke and it does not break invisibility! Or, use it as a a slow to lock down a solo kill.
On that note, you can use any item ability while invisible so you can go plant wards to your hearts content (and should) while roaming the enemy jungle looking for solo kills.
Pretty fantastic. Had no idea you could buy things in the enemy shop.
Might play some more this week and, if so, I'm sure I'll report back with more questions!
you can pick up your stash there.
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But then I tried it. I got the whole team to organise and follow me while we went looking for kills. Hot damn. Hot. Damn. The first time we completely wiped them at the rosh pit. The next time we got 3 and then pillaged the mid rax for a gg. I think I'm becoming a smoker.
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The one thing I am definitely trying to be better about is inviting people to be friends, when I have a good team. I'm not on long enough to invite people to a party or anything, but if my friends list was deep enough with good and (more importantly) friendly players, that wouldn't be an issue.
granted it won't always happen but if you are not being a dick and things work out you can become the leader
Feel the rhythm.
I'm very much not on the EE bandwagon. But ..... to have the presence of mind to realize, during the middle of a base-race which will ultimately be decided by like 5s, that he should to buy a deso to take throne faster is pretty sick. I would not come up with that shit.
reddit did the math, I think they concluded he was better off just autoattacking through it. did he go buy it while they were glyphing? if not thats valuable autoattack time wasted. plus he had mom going so the deso effect wasnt applied (and he didnt drop/pick it up properly): http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/2uigp9/and_the_final_team_in_the_top_8_is/co8rlw5
EE's kind of a jerk, but he definitely knows the math of Dota.
I know this to be true with TF2, but with TF2 I feel a looot more confident about what I'm asking of people, and more importantly, I can assist them in what I ask of them. DotA...I'm still not sure half the time if what I'm suggesting is even a good idea. And while I certainly have good moves and good plays, I'm still the inconsistent jackass who just fed 4 times to PA.
Nobody wants to listen to the inconsistent jackass who just fed 4 times to PA.
Yeah f that guy. There is a really awesome dynamic of getting peeps on board with a plan in the dotas.
So far as I am concerned it's ten times more painful to watch a team back off of a push with a solid opening than it is to have one guy continuously solo stupid rush or feed. So my only rally call is usually "4 of them are dead please push with me"
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The other throne was about 1k hp.
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Last night- All Random- Chen
Never played Chen before, but I decided that since I ran away from Io and it burned me last time, I'd stick it out. Told my teammates what a millstone I was going to be, but they gave advice and helped me out. At one point, the Tidebringer I'm laning with says, "Pretty good Chen for a first-timer". I'm having fun, using some stuns from Neutrals to facilitate some ganks, jungle farm, etc. Things are looking up.
Then Treant gets Aghs, wards the shit out of my jungle, and I went from being "Pretty good Chen for a first-timer" to a waste of space. I felt so bad. VS and I went and killed trees, but it went on so long and they were pushing the adjacent lane so hard that the damage had been done for too long. If Chen has to play defense and has no persuaded creeps, it's a bad day.
I learned a lot about Chen, though, and now I'm kinda itching to play him again. I didn't do a very good job of farming, and now that I know what Aghs does for him, that will change.
Hehe, that's the Treant dream game. I guarantee that player was having a great time. Sorry you were on the other end.
Honestly, Treant is such a relaxing way to play dota. His invis is there for a light ward-stroll into the enemy jungle, and if there's no other invis heroes most of the players in my bracket don't really bother to detect a random treant who never invis ganks them anyway. You can be wherever on the map, see some action, tree armour them, then go back to what you were doing. And that deep, deep tree voice.
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I thought we had all agreed in this thread to not bother with spoilers since it utterly kills discussion during big tourneys.
Tonight's schedule:
Secret vs VG.cn
EG vs Big God
iG. vs LG
Cloud9 vs EHOME
Na`Vi vs HGT
HR.Dota2 vs Rave
Matches are all best of 3 and approximately 3 hours apart, subject to delays.
EDIT: Geth apparently loves the doters