The new forums will be named Coin Return (based on the most recent vote)! You can check on the status and timeline of the transition to the new forums here.
The Guiding Principles and New Rules document is now in effect.
Ah yes. Research is good to do. But TVs aren't computer parts. Some people like to helicopter over contrast ratios and how black a black pixel is. At this point a TV is a TV unless you have laser vision. I'm not willing to spend 80% more for a 20% better picture that I would probably hardly notice.
true as that may be, the (i think) imaginary screenio brand has some real-life analogues that would deliver a viewing experience less than optimal even by your standards.
I put a decent amount of thought into my computers since I've built my last two from parts.
With TVs, I at least know what everything means so I can avoid getting something truly crappy. However, I also avoid the super expensive TVs because I don't feel what they offer is worth the kind of money they ask. With TVs it seems like you're damned if you do and damned if you don't nowadays, my first flat screen was a 720p because I didn't know as much about the stats back then. Everything looked nice enough for me to be satisfied, but when it died, I upgraded to 1080p. Now I will admit that the blu-rays look much better, but now many of my older DVDs look like crap. Just can't win....except maybe if you buy the super expensive TVs.
I do hate comparison shopping in most things though. I never do the "shop around" thing. I may not buy the cheapest item/service available (in fact, I probably wouldn't), but I do usually just buy it at the first place I decide to go.
"It's just as I've always said. We are being digested by an amoral universe."
Since this is a Black Friday comic, I think it's safe to say that yes, companies like Wal-Mart, Best Buy, and other electronics retailers put some really shitty TVs on sale on this day. Brands you've never heard of, until the moment the super cheap price tag is staring you in the face. It's because these TVs really are that bad. Either they will have a poor image, which has already been discussed. Or more likely, they have a very high fail chance. Screen goes out entirely, or you develop "dead pixel" or it stops turning on, or you get lines on the screen, or whatever.
Things are cheap for a reason. It's because they use shitty parts and are expected to fail.
I bought a 40 inch TV from Wal-Mart two years ago on Black Friday. I have had to replace a part in it twice. But a $30 part is still cheaper than a new TV. But yeah cheap things are made of cheap parts.
It's interesting. For some people, the computer parts absolutely don't matter because they just go online and do whatever, while the TV is hooked to the home theater, and to their video game consoles, and they want the best fucking picture out there. Meanwhile, some people think that the TV is just like any other TV and if it works it works, they might not be huge movie fans, and they do their gaming on PC primarily, which is why they'll shop around and get the absolute nicest machine at a good price.
But both people are absolutely convinced the other one is an idiot.
Seeing as they've never heard of the brand, I can only assume it's a shit TV, as any good quality machinery is usually developed by well known companies with billions of dollars at their disposal. And even then, that's still an iffy bet to go off of.
Ah yes. Research is good to do. But TVs aren't computer parts. Some people like to helicopter over contrast ratios and how black a black pixel is. At this point a TV is a TV unless you have laser vision. I'm not willing to spend 80% more for a 20% better picture that I would probably hardly notice.
That's a good philosophy if you want a crappy TV with dying pixels, shitty resolution, and really long response time.
Personally I like a good picture and minimal input lag, so the quality of the monitor is actually pretty important.
As somebody with a "Viore" TV can confirm... after buying an XB1 I found out that my screen overscans and there's no way to change that on this TV. So, unless the game lets me change my display scale/size I am SOL (since the XB1 doesn't let you do that either.) Whooooops.
This holiday season it seems like I am seeing the "Changhong" TV's from China everywhere advertised for extremely low prices. Wouldn't take the chance personally, although apparently they make their own panels (which I guess could be either good or bad) and I suspect they're the ones actually making a lot of the off-brand TV's like the "Insignias" at Best Buy.
This holiday season it seems like I am seeing the "Changhong" TV's from China everywhere advertised for extremely low prices. Wouldn't take the chance personally, although apparently they make their own panels (which I guess could be either good or bad) and I suspect they're the ones actually making a lot of the off-brand TV's like the "Insignias" at Best Buy.
As someone who actually works selling TV's inside best buy I can tell you Insignia which is best buys brand is manufactured by LG and Vizios are made by Sony. I will also let you guys know the reason those black friday tvs are so cheap is not that there is necessarily anything defective with them but rather that they skimp on one or more features. For example the Samsung 4k tv they had going for about $800 is only a 60hz refresh rate screen which is god awful for anything with any degree of motion.
This holiday season it seems like I am seeing the "Changhong" TV's from China everywhere advertised for extremely low prices. Wouldn't take the chance personally, although apparently they make their own panels (which I guess could be either good or bad) and I suspect they're the ones actually making a lot of the off-brand TV's like the "Insignias" at Best Buy.
As someone who actually works selling TV's inside best buy I can tell you Insignia which is best buys brand is manufactured by LG and Vizios are made by Sony. I will also let you guys know the reason those black friday tvs are so cheap is not that there is necessarily anything defective with them but rather that they skimp on one or more features. For example the Samsung 4k tv they had going for about $800 is only a 60hz refresh rate screen which is god awful for anything with any degree of motion.
Good to know who makes Insignia and Vizio (and reinforces my hunch that Vizio is my best bang for the buck when I buy a TV for my new place in a month or two). But I think you'll find that here again not everybody is as particular about some of these technical things as you are; they literally just cannot "see" the difference. I am typing this on a 60hz monitor that I use for all my gaming, had a 60hz TV purchased in early 2013 that my and my roommates were always quite pleased with, etc. Looking at the selection of TV's on BestBuy.com right now, it looks like 60hz TV's make up about half of the entire selection, and I hardly think everybody who buys them is just using them to look at still photos from their last vacation. You spend your entire day working with TV's and you doubtlessly become more aware of all of the subtle differences in picture quality. For the average person this is not the case.
Seeing as they've never heard of the brand, I can only assume it's a shit TV, as any good quality machinery is usually developed by well known companies with billions of dollars at their disposal. And even then, that's still an iffy bet to go off of.
This.
The specs don't tell the whole story. The brand isn't everything, but it's an indicator that someone with a reputation to lose made the set. Reviews are vitally important, and they're hard to come by on the kind of holiday-specific SKUs that tend to show up for the annual run on cheap inches.
The way TV prices have fallen, you're not spending much extra to step up from the low-end to something respectable for gaming. I've seen the difference it makes when refresh rate is high and input lag is low.
Zoku Gojira on
"Because things are the way they are, things will not stay the way they are." - Bertolt Brecht
Seeing as they've never heard of the brand, I can only assume it's a shit TV, as any good quality machinery is usually developed by well known companies with billions of dollars at their disposal. And even then, that's still an iffy bet to go off of.
The TV I mentioned above is an Emerson, a "cheap" brand. However when I opened it up, the parts have philips-magnavox on them. Make of that what you will. I assume Emerson is a cheaper parted off shoot.
A bad TV can cut off large portions of the screen edges while offering you no way to fix it.
The worst TV that I have cuts off a bit of the peripheral vision, something like... IDK, maybe 3,5% of the vertical screen? That's an old-timey cathode TV 4:3, with curved screen. Wouldn't the worst a bad flat-screen LCD TV can do is offer abnormal resolution thus making the screen squished?
No, it "overscans" and the effect is basically that it "zooms in" on the center of the picture, so you lose stuff at every edge.
it's not even a matter of whether the difference is noticeable, it's a matter of how much the user actually cares. You'll easily notice the difference between low and high-end LCDs when playing games and watching action movies or sports, but is the difference large enough that it matters to you? Is it worth potentially hundreds of dollars to get the better version?
hold your head high soldier, it ain't over yet
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
This holiday season it seems like I am seeing the "Changhong" TV's from China everywhere advertised for extremely low prices. Wouldn't take the chance personally, although apparently they make their own panels (which I guess could be either good or bad) and I suspect they're the ones actually making a lot of the off-brand TV's like the "Insignias" at Best Buy.
As someone who actually works selling TV's inside best buy I can tell you Insignia which is best buys brand is manufactured by LG and Vizios are made by Sony. I will also let you guys know the reason those black friday tvs are so cheap is not that there is necessarily anything defective with them but rather that they skimp on one or more features. For example the Samsung 4k tv they had going for about $800 is only a 60hz refresh rate screen which is god awful for anything with any degree of motion.
Not sure where this rumor started but Sony has nothing to do with Vizio. I have a lot of customers that think that too. They even had a patent suit not long ago. Agree with everything else though.
Worked great until the day it tried to beat up your stereo.
[Muffled sounds of gorilla violence]
0
Monkey Ball WarriorA collection of mediocre hatsSeattle, WARegistered Userregular
The comic is amusing because I have never felt that there was a real difference between monitors and TV's, except in their intended purpose. Monitors used to be higher resolution, now it is more that they are high pixel density. TVs come in bigger sizes than monitor do, with monitors rarely come with remotes.. And monitors and TV's tend to support different inputs. But that's about the end of the differences.
My monitor currently is a small 1080p TV. I bought it ~4 years ago. I am going to replace it sometime later next year when 1) 4k Adaptive Sync monitors start coming out, and 2) Skylake CPUs and hopefully a new generation of GPUs come out, at which point I will build a box capable of driving a 4k monitor.
Which makes me wonder if someday there will be game consoles and TVs that support adaptive sync as well.
"I resent the entire notion of a body as an ante and then raise you a generalized dissatisfaction with physicality itself" -- Tycho
I used to think along the same lines as Tycho with regard to TVs, but when it was time to buy my own I figured I would at least do a little research so I wouldn't get completely screwed. After reading some glowing bang-for-buck reviews about the now out-of-production Panasonic ST-series plasmas, I brought a 50" one home. It was more money than I was planning to spend, but it looked damned good in my apartment and I was pretty happy with it.
Fast forward 2 years, my in-laws just picked up a massive 65" Visio on Friday for 2/3 the price of my Panasonic. So we sat down to watch Captain America and the quality difference was stunning. The most egregious problem was bright white bars running up each side of the TV from the LED backlighting, but dark scenes in general looked like crap because the best the TV could manage was a sort of dark grey.
This holiday season it seems like I am seeing the "Changhong" TV's from China everywhere advertised for extremely low prices. Wouldn't take the chance personally, although apparently they make their own panels (which I guess could be either good or bad) and I suspect they're the ones actually making a lot of the off-brand TV's like the "Insignias" at Best Buy.
As someone who actually works selling TV's inside best buy I can tell you Insignia which is best buys brand is manufactured by LG and Vizios are made by Sony. I will also let you guys know the reason those black friday tvs are so cheap is not that there is necessarily anything defective with them but rather that they skimp on one or more features. For example the Samsung 4k tv they had going for about $800 is only a 60hz refresh rate screen which is god awful for anything with any degree of motion.
The last TV I bought (about 5 years ago I think; shows you how much I update my technology) was actually an Insignia. I needed a TV "now" and didn't want to spend too much, so I went to Best Buy and got one. It's not a horrible TV, but it does have some weird issues. If LG makes them, they must be half-assing it on the quality compared to their own brand.
forty on
0
Donovan PuppyfuckerA dagger in the dark isworth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered Userregular
Posts
It actually makes a lot of difference if you play very dark games like Amnesia, Alien or Dark Souls.
With TVs, I at least know what everything means so I can avoid getting something truly crappy. However, I also avoid the super expensive TVs because I don't feel what they offer is worth the kind of money they ask. With TVs it seems like you're damned if you do and damned if you don't nowadays, my first flat screen was a 720p because I didn't know as much about the stats back then. Everything looked nice enough for me to be satisfied, but when it died, I upgraded to 1080p. Now I will admit that the blu-rays look much better, but now many of my older DVDs look like crap. Just can't win....except maybe if you buy the super expensive TVs.
I do hate comparison shopping in most things though. I never do the "shop around" thing. I may not buy the cheapest item/service available (in fact, I probably wouldn't), but I do usually just buy it at the first place I decide to go.
-Tycho Brahe
Things are cheap for a reason. It's because they use shitty parts and are expected to fail.
But both people are absolutely convinced the other one is an idiot.
That's a good philosophy if you want a crappy TV with dying pixels, shitty resolution, and really long response time.
Personally I like a good picture and minimal input lag, so the quality of the monitor is actually pretty important.
A bad TV can cut off large portions of the screen edges while offering you no way to fix it.
This right here is the problem I encountered the one time I bought a TV that was a Black Friday deal.
As someone who actually works selling TV's inside best buy I can tell you Insignia which is best buys brand is manufactured by LG and Vizios are made by Sony. I will also let you guys know the reason those black friday tvs are so cheap is not that there is necessarily anything defective with them but rather that they skimp on one or more features. For example the Samsung 4k tv they had going for about $800 is only a 60hz refresh rate screen which is god awful for anything with any degree of motion.
Good to know who makes Insignia and Vizio (and reinforces my hunch that Vizio is my best bang for the buck when I buy a TV for my new place in a month or two). But I think you'll find that here again not everybody is as particular about some of these technical things as you are; they literally just cannot "see" the difference. I am typing this on a 60hz monitor that I use for all my gaming, had a 60hz TV purchased in early 2013 that my and my roommates were always quite pleased with, etc. Looking at the selection of TV's on BestBuy.com right now, it looks like 60hz TV's make up about half of the entire selection, and I hardly think everybody who buys them is just using them to look at still photos from their last vacation. You spend your entire day working with TV's and you doubtlessly become more aware of all of the subtle differences in picture quality. For the average person this is not the case.
This.
The specs don't tell the whole story. The brand isn't everything, but it's an indicator that someone with a reputation to lose made the set. Reviews are vitally important, and they're hard to come by on the kind of holiday-specific SKUs that tend to show up for the annual run on cheap inches.
The way TV prices have fallen, you're not spending much extra to step up from the low-end to something respectable for gaming. I've seen the difference it makes when refresh rate is high and input lag is low.
The TV I mentioned above is an Emerson, a "cheap" brand. However when I opened it up, the parts have philips-magnavox on them. Make of that what you will. I assume Emerson is a cheaper parted off shoot.
Only a mere 136 pins to go!
Now a SORNY offers real quality at a discount price.
No, it "overscans" and the effect is basically that it "zooms in" on the center of the picture, so you lose stuff at every edge.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
Not sure where this rumor started but Sony has nothing to do with Vizio. I have a lot of customers that think that too. They even had a patent suit not long ago. Agree with everything else though.
Pfft, nothing beats "The Carnivale..."
-Tycho Brahe
Worked great until the day it tried to beat up your stereo.
My monitor currently is a small 1080p TV. I bought it ~4 years ago. I am going to replace it sometime later next year when 1) 4k Adaptive Sync monitors start coming out, and 2) Skylake CPUs and hopefully a new generation of GPUs come out, at which point I will build a box capable of driving a 4k monitor.
Which makes me wonder if someday there will be game consoles and TVs that support adaptive sync as well.
Fast forward 2 years, my in-laws just picked up a massive 65" Visio on Friday for 2/3 the price of my Panasonic. So we sat down to watch Captain America and the quality difference was stunning. The most egregious problem was bright white bars running up each side of the TV from the LED backlighting, but dark scenes in general looked like crap because the best the TV could manage was a sort of dark grey.
You can't give someone a pirate ship in one game, and then take it back in the next game. It's rude.
Ahhh, the good ol' Grundig Decepticon. Named Megatron to latch on to the popularity of Sony's Trinitron sets.
Every time you turn it on, it says, "I am Megatron!"
-Tycho Brahe