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[League of Legends] The Bard's Tale

BurnageBurnage Registered User regular
edited February 2015 in Games and Technology
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Figure 1. An accurate representation of jungling in season 5.

League of Legends (popularly known as LOL) is a Multiplayer Online Battle Arena (MOBA) game created by Riot Games.

You play as a summoner that controls a champion and looks forward to replays for half a decade. During games, your champion will level up, get gold for better equipment and hopefully destroy the enemy nexus. Outside of games, you will wait several months for new champions and your summoner level will rise. This will unlock new runes to enhance champion stats, bestow mastery points for further champion customization and goodies like avatars. At max level you can then compete in ranked matches, meaninglessly judge player behavior in what is called the Tribunal and weep over the lack of ranked Dominion.

Thread Layout
OP - The Basics - General LoL Tips and Tricks
2nd - PENTAKILL! - Come see who among us has recently scored a PENTABUTT
3rd - Currently Open Contests/One-Time Events
The Basics
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New Player Guide
1. Make an account: NA EU (West) EU (Nordic & East)

It's worth noting that referring new players has perks, so I would ask for a referral link in the thread rather than a vanilla account.

2. Download the client: Right here.

The official Mac client is in beta - download it today!

3. Play the tutorials and read the New User Guide!

The game can be a bit overwhelming, and I highly suggest you play the tutorials OR find someone willing to do a few vs. AI games with you.

4. Join the "Penny Arcade" Chat Channel to find helpful people and people to escape solo queue with!

Click the little double speech bubble looking thing at the bottom right of your screen. Click the + speech bubble right above it. Type in "Penny Arcade" and introduce yourself. Not everyone you see in the thread will be there, as not everyone plays on the same server. You can ask these people how to play champions, we pretty much have someone who plays each champion.

5. Play vs. People

Do it, damn you. The AI is not going to give you the legitimate LoL experience. You don't want to hit your 20s solely from bot matches. If you do use bot games, focus on practicing basic mechanics such as getting the last hit on minions for sweet, sweet gold.

6. Get yer free champs.

Subscribe to Riot's Youtube and get a free Alistar skin! You can also get a free Tristana skins if you're into the Facebook thing. Promo skins always include the champion if you've not already bought them, so this is an easy way to pick up two champions.
The Dos and Don'ts of LoL
1. Don't buy champions randomly!

LoL has two currencies: Riot Points (RP), which are bought with real money, and Influence Points (IP) which are earned solely by playing games. Champions can be bought with both, but every week there will be ten free champions to play with. Play these champs instead. Get a feel for each type of champion and see which you find more fun. It's far better to do this as opposed to buying a champ randomly and ultimately being unhappy with it. You can also get three refund opportunities for both IP and RP purchases.

2. Don't buy Tier 2 Runes.

They are pretty much a waste of IP. Buy Tier 1 and save up for Tier 3. Or, if you're baller like Hargaad, don't even buy Tier 1. Wait to hit level 30, then buy all the Tier 3 runes you need.

3. Do queue with friends.

Playing with randoms is a crapshoot, and playing with a friend or two can put the odds in your favor. Play complementary champs and request feedback on how you did in each game (even if you won). Likewise, you can offer advice to others you saw having trouble in a polite manner.

4. Do learn the champions.

When a new rotation occurs, it is wise to play a few games with each champ. Knowing what each champ is capable of will be useful even if you hate how they play and never intend on using them. For example, Karthus has a skill that does damage to every enemy champion, regardless of location! If you know this, then you can be a jerk and take Soraka (who has a skill that heals all allied champions).

5. Do read guides.

There are multiple ways to play a champion. This combination of skills, runes, masteries and items is called a "build" and are the general strategies for any champion. The recommended items in the game store are not always ideal, and the order you level skills can have a big impact on how the early stages of the game play out. Sites like LolKing and Solomid offer builds for just about every champion. It's cookie-cutter, but a great foundation for new players. Once you learn the ins and outs, you can tweak a build to better serve your playstyles or as a reaction to enemy or ally players.

6. Do be polite and do report.

Watch this first.



Sometimes people will suck or do shit wrong. It's a game, so try to keep that in mind when things get a little unhinged. If you insult or yell at people, even if they did do something wrong, you're likely going to get that person defensive and things will very quickly begin to break down. Instead of focusing on the game, you focus on hurling insults at each other. Stay calm, and politely offer advice when needed.

Sometimes, even with this in mind, people will still be jerks. It happens! Simply /mute them and quietly report them after the game. Taking their bait is probably what they want you to do. Do not give them the satisfaction! Keep your cool.

7. Buy skins.

Having a skin for a character is a great way to say "Hey I'm fucking awesome with this champion so get the fuck out of my way." If your team is using more skins than your enemy team, you basically have already won. Some skins do offer very minor alterations in the way that a champion plays - skins with sunglasses, for instance, take 1 less damage from the sun-based champion Leona's attacks.
Game Stuff
1. Do not be aggressive.

There will be a serious urge to want to kill enemy champs. Resist! Death is an all-around loss: your opponents get more cash and experience, you miss out on experience and your lane risks getting pushed. If you set-up a kill and fail, do not continue chasing. In many cases, you will just die to a tower or get ganked. While later on you will learn when to take risks, early in your career it's best to be less aggressive and just let the other guy get away.

2. Do not focus on KDR.

Your kill-death-ratio is not the end-all of your value. It is possible to lose despite having a serious kill advantage over the enemy team! Certain champions, once getting the right items, can be unstoppable murder machines. Even if you do kill them a lot, if they reach this threshold, it's possible for a dramatic reversal to occur. It is far more important to support your team's objectives: push towers, protect your own towers from being pushed and keep your team informed of enemy activity. It is far better to have a modest KDR and win, than be the team killer and lose.

3. Do watch the minimap and your enemy.

Enemy locations are important! In your low-level games you will likely have two champs tops lane, one mid and two bottom (in later level games, one from top will be off "jungling," so top will have just one champ). If a player in YOUR lane is missing, let the team know. The player might just be heading back to base to buy items, or they could be trying to jump your friend in another lane. And mention when they came back to your lane! But this doesn't mean you should rely wholly on team recon. Watch the minimap yourself for enemy locations in other lanes whenever you can. People aren't perfect, and sometimes that warning comes a bit too late. Another set of eyes is always useful.

4. Do buy wards.

Wards are items that grant you vision of an area for 180 seconds. They are, without a doubt, one of the best purchases you will make. You can plop them along the river and have advance warning of ganks. They'll grant you vision of the brush. They'll alert you of enemy attempts on big-reward neutral monsters like the dragon or baron. If you attack them in the middle of something like that, you could mob up their entire team. Or maybe you are aware of a gank attempt on you. You could alert a nearby friend, bait the ganker in and turn the tables. Buy wards. BUY. WARDS.

5. Do buy wards.

Wards are items that grant you vision of an area for 180 seconds. They are, without a doubt, one of the best purchases you will make. You can plop them along the river and have advance warning of ganks. They'll grant you vision of the brush. They'll alert you of enemy attempts on big reward neutral monsters like the dragon or baron. If you attack them in the middle of something like that, you could mob up their entire team. Or maybe you are aware of a gank attempt on you. You could alert a nearby friend, bait the ganker in and turn the tables. Buy wards. BUY. WARDS. Yes, I posted this twice. It is that important.

6. Do something.

So you just wiped the enemy team out. Hooray! But...what are you doing now? Did you just go back to your respective lanes and farm? Incorrect! You now have precious map control, and should be taking advantage of it. Gather up as a team and take out a tower. Head to the dragon and get a clean kill. Steal enemy creeps (especially their blue and red buffs). You can always check the status of both teams by pressing tab. If multiple enemies are waiting on respawn, then you need to press that advantage.

7. Don't just wait around all day when you're in a position to win.

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8. Do buy wards.

Seriously, kids. If Hargaad can do it, so can you. I know you have 75 gold just laying around sometimes. Don't feed us with your bullshit of, "But I need to save for x item!" No! Fuck you, and your high horse. If you don't buy wards, and you die a lot, nobody on your team is going to be able to save you from a beefed up (whatever) lane.

9. Learn to speak ping.

All you really need to communicate effectively in this game is to be able to use the pings it provides.
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To use these pings, hold down the Alt, Ctrl, G, or V keys while clicking to show the new ping overlay. Then, move your mouse in the direction of the ping you want to issue, and release. You can perform this action either on the terrain or the minimap for precision pinging.
It is unacceptable to blame players that aren't typing at all, or players that are not speaking in English.
Meet the Team
Like any group activity, stuff is usually broken down into roles. It's worth noting that champions don't always fit neatly in categories. A champion's role in the team may depend on what build has been chosen, and sometimes you may fill several roles depending on the group composition. When picking champions, it's a good idea to see what people are doing and fill in any holes.

1. The Marksman:
Examples include Caitlyn, Ezreal, Ashe and Vayne.

If your team is a car, then the marksman is the engine. It's what makes the team function. The marksman, when doing its job, will be able to easily destroy the whole team. But, just like an engine is useless without any other parts of your car, the marksman relies on its team to get the gold necessary to buy the items needed to kill swathes of enemies. Early on, however, marksmen tend to be more vulnerable and weaker than other champs.

2. The Tank:
Examples include Leona, Sejuani, Zac and Nautilus.

Following the car metaphor, the tank is your steering. It'll guide the team into battle, and in many cases will be the one starting the fights. Tanks are there to absorb damage and lock down the most dangerous champions on the enemy team so you can position yourselves to win the fight. Some tanks do this with CC, whereas other tanks have some damage and will soften up the enemy team instead. Tanks still tend to need the rest of their team to back them up.

3. The Support:
Examples include Soraka, Sona, Nami and Janna.

I guess support are your tires or something? Maybe the AC. Either way, supports help the team out with buffs and generally shields or healing. Supports tend to assist the marksman by allowing the marksman to stay in the lane longer. Unlike, well, just about everyone else, supports don't rely so much on gear and thus will purposefully AVOID getting last hits so that their lane partner can farm gold faster. Because of their reduced need of gold, support should also be buying and placing wards when needed. It's worth noting that EVERYONE should generally buy wards, but as a support you can afford to take the financial hit.


4. The Assassin:

Examples include Kha'zix, Talon, Zed and Evelynn.

If we're sticking with the car metaphor, the assassin is like your car having a button you can press which will make that other car's engine implode. Assassins generally specialise in high single-target damage and mobility, allowing them to quickly eliminate enemy marksmen and mages with ease. If you're playing as a squishy and vulnerable target, these guys are going to be your biggest threat - ask your team to try and keep them from harming you. Assassins also generally need to get kills early in order to stay competitive into the later stages of the game.

5. The Mage:
Examples include Brand, Syndra, Lux and Annie.

Mages are a broad category, with their defining feature being that they primarily deal damage at range through their abilities and not auto-attacks. Some, like Lissandra, focus less on dealing damage and more on being able to control the enemy team's movement. Others, like Brand or Ziggs, have relatively less utility and are instead capable of putting out high amounts of damage. Mages benefit strongly from their role's innate flexibility, and can have a huge impact on team fights.

6. The Fighter:
Examples include Garen, Renekton, Trundle and Vi.

Fighters are melee attackers with a mix of offensive and defensive capabilities. They're not as hard to kill as a tank, and not able to throw out as much damage as an assassin, but they can still prove to be fearsome opponents - especially if they stay alive and are allowed to deal their damage over time. Like mages, the fighter role is incredibly versatile, with each fighter having a different mixture of damage and utility.

7. The Jungler:
Examples include Warwick, Udyr, Xin Zhao and Jarvan IV.

Although not a label Riot applies to their champions, the jungler is a role that you'll begin to see at higher summoner levels. This is due to runes and masteries allowing for more efficient jungling. It is still possible during lower levels on a few champs, even at summoner level 1, but very uncommon. As the name implies, the jungler sits in the jungle (the parts of the map in between lanes) and kills neutral creeps (or "monsters"). This benefits your team by creating a second solo lane (top lane), resulting in more experience and gold for your team as a whole. Once the jungler hits a certain gear/level point, they look for opportunities to gank enemies. This is generally done via strong CC abilities, such as Warwick's ultimate or Nunu's slow coupled with his speed buff. Skills such as these will enable the jungler's teammate in that lane to easily assist with the kill. When not ganking, the jungler will return to the jungle regularly to keep up in terms of gold and experience. Due to their roaming, the jungler has plenty of opportunities to place wards for its teammates.

This is a very simple guide, and is only a rough outline of the basics! Roles can easily overlap, and a champion can fill more than one role! Ezreal is a marksman/mage, for instance, and Taric is a support/tank.
What's this I hear about different maps?
There are four different maps in League of Legends, each of which has a different style of gameplay. In some cases, different items will be available on each of them, and champions might be altered slightly.

1. Summoner's Rift.

This is the most well-known map, and what you'll probably be spending most of your time on. Featuring five players on each team, the goal is to destroy the enemy's team base (or nexus). Waves of friendly NPCs ("minions") will attempt to help you reach your objective, although standing in their way are increasingly strong sets of turrets (alongside the enemy team and their minions). In between the lanes which your minions will travel along are neutral monsters which you can destroy for more gold. There are also two very large monsters, the dragon and Baron Nashor, which can require your entire team attacking them to be taken down - but the rewards for doing so are great.

2. The Howling Abyss.

The simplest map, this is essentially a single lane version of Summoner's Rift. Five players on each team control a randomly chosen character, and aim to destroy the enemy team's nexus first. Things are made more complicated by the players being unable to buy items, unless it's the start of the game or they've recently died. This map also has creatures called Poros roaming it, making it the best map by default.

3. The Crystal Scar.

This is the only map for the game mode known as "Dominion". Again a 5v5 mode, the novelty here is that the map features control points that players must "capture" and hold onto in order to win. There are five control points, and the team that holds less of them slowly lose health from their nexus - until it reaches zero, and they lose. Dotted around the map are speed boosts and health packs. The basic strategy for Dominion involves sending four players to the top point, and one strong duelist or pusher to the bottom lane of the map. Tip; take Revive.

Dominion is never going to receive a ranked mode. It is also the best.

4. The Twisted Treeline.

The 3v3 gametype known as Twisted Treeline was fully launched in March 2010, but it was relaunched with an entirely new map in October 2012 because of some serious design flaws in the original map that Riot decided were unfixable. The new map is still in beta, but will be exiting beta Soon™. However, 3v3 still at least gets more support than Dominion. While still fundamentally the same gameplay, there are some key differences from Summoner's Rift to keep in mind - the lack of wards and altered objectives being the most important. Much more info here!

Useful LoL related websites
[email protected] - For all the latest LoL news and a sneak peak at any upcoming content on the Public Beta Environment.
http://www.solomid.net/ - A more advanced and polished version of Mobafire. Solomid offers intricate guides on champs that've been tried and tested by the community. Best for more advanced players of lvl 20+
http://www.lolking.net/ - A site useful for looking at skins, as their splash art can be quite different from their in-game appearance. It's also good for looking up summoners, statistics about the game, and guides for champions.
http://www.leagueoflegends.com - The standard LoL website! Info on the game can be found here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qggKB98It0Q - The basics of laning and last hitting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kxGQ3gWdrM - Shurelya's guide on zoning!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVtmV0FzW_0 SivHD's guide to never raging again.
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsVUL5xGFvg2vO787daxpJFAAcxpr5vE8 Saintvicious Jungle guides.
List of helpful LoL terminology.
Sign up for a LoL debit card to earn RP!

Stuff You Should Know
- Yes, a promo skin will unlock that champion for free.
- Some promo codes will work on multiple servers. Some will not. Yes, this is confusing.
- Map vision wins games - BUY WARDS.
- It is a team wide effort, everyone buys wards.
- When in doubt, take Ignite/Flash.

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  • BurnageBurnage Registered User regular
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    PENTAKILL!

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  • BurnageBurnage Registered User regular
    No contests at the moment!

    Saving this spot for contests in the future.

  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. 5386-8443-8937Registered User regular
    Though uh, CertainltyT. If you want a bullshit jungler to add to your design roster I hear Dawngate has this sweet over mobile jungler with a great make it or break it style ultimate.

    Just saying.

    Please.

    Had

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    This is why I'm encouraging whole sale cutting bits off of it to add to League.

    Yeah Dawngate had waaaaay too much going for it to get shit canned like that.

    Mostly the stats system honestly.

    Though obviously that'd never happen for League because it's too big a transition but dear god it struck a really nice balance between accessible and allowing deep, varied builds by getting rid of AD/AP and condensing a whole bunch of stats into one thing.

    Yeah my biggest complaint was the item design really. You look at an item in LoL and you get some general idea of what it does. Big sword, attack damage.

    Dawngate's items seemed mostly designed around ideas and had fairly obscure icons

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  • I needed a gnome to post.I needed a gnome to post. Registered User regular
    It seems super silly to me to try and say "oh here's the champions without mobility who are viable, and here's the champions with mobility who are viable". The entire conversation at the end of the last thread seemed HYPER-FOCUSED on mobility as though it were the means by which a champion became good, as opposed to a means. There are so many factors as to whether a champion is played and fixating on one is super silly. Ashe isn't bad because champions have dashes, Ashe is bad because she has a super-limited kit with no steroid. Ashe is bad because teams don't want her unique strengths.

    Every year people proclaim about how power creep is oh so bad and the old champions are being pushed aside and every year it's not true. Characters like Karthus and Nasus still get played, because characters and items get nerfed or buffed and this changes the scene and changes who is and isn't strong. Y'all silly billies should have a memory beyond the last match you played and keep in mind how diverse the game actually is, and how people complaining about a thing doesn't make it strong. I mean, no one hates a mechanic in LoL more than stealth, but if you listen to people bitch about it you might forget that Eve is a GARBAGE DUMP WHO CAN'T EVEN CLEAR WOLVES RIGHT NOW

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  • MiniwolfMiniwolf Registered User regular
    Though uh, CertainltyT. If you want a bullshit jungler to add to your design roster I hear Dawngate has this sweet over mobile jungler with a great make it or break it style ultimate.

    Just saying.

    Please.

    Had

    RIP

    This is why I'm encouraging whole sale cutting bits off of it to add to League.

    Yeah Dawngate had waaaaay too much going for it to get shit canned like that.

    Mostly the stats system honestly.

    Though obviously that'd never happen for League because it's too big a transition but dear god it struck a really nice balance between accessible and allowing deep, varied builds by getting rid of AD/AP and condensing a whole bunch of stats into one thing.

    Yeah my biggest complaint was the item design really. You look at an item in LoL and you get some general idea of what it does. Big sword, attack damage.

    Dawngate's items seemed mostly designed around ideas and had fairly obscure icons

    I would kill to have Dibs in League. The things @varega and I did as a dibs and Zalgus lane were warcrimes.

    Dibs is the most fun support style champion I have ever played, his ult also allowed to to do absolutely insane Solid snake stuff with spirit wells.

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  • BurnageBurnage Registered User regular
    I really, really don't think that this game actually is that diverse. You look at the top ten most popular characters, and each and every one of them appears in over a fifth of all games. Karthus or Eve, on the other hand, appear in less than one in fifty games.

    Anecdotally, a big reason that I got burned out frequently during season 4 was that so many of the games that I played were described perfectly by "Thresh and Lucian in bot lane, Lee Sin in the jungle and Ziggs in mid".

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  • CyrenicCyrenic Registered User regular
    Has anyone tried Cho Gath in the new jungle? I wonder if he's good again now with his sustain.

  • DehumanizedDehumanized Registered User regular
    It seems super silly to me to try and say "oh here's the champions without mobility who are viable, and here's the champions with mobility who are viable". The entire conversation at the end of the last thread seemed HYPER-FOCUSED on mobility as though it were the means by which a champion became good, as opposed to a means. There are so many factors as to whether a champion is played and fixating on one is super silly. Ashe isn't bad because champions have dashes, Ashe is bad because she has a super-limited kit with no steroid. Ashe is bad because teams don't want her unique strengths.

    Every year people proclaim about how power creep is oh so bad and the old champions are being pushed aside and every year it's not true. Characters like Karthus and Nasus still get played, because characters and items get nerfed or buffed and this changes the scene and changes who is and isn't strong. Y'all silly billies should have a memory beyond the last match you played and keep in mind how diverse the game actually is, and how people complaining about a thing doesn't make it strong. I mean, no one hates a mechanic in LoL more than stealth, but if you listen to people bitch about it you might forget that Eve is a GARBAGE DUMP WHO CAN'T EVEN CLEAR WOLVES RIGHT NOW

    Want to be clear that I only evaluated that list of dashless champions because the assertion was that they get left behind from the game. 2/3s of the champions without dashes are fine picks. Another 1/6th of them are probably fine but I don't know. Then maybe a dozen of them are left behind, and the reason isn't just because they're immobile, it's because their strengths are not valued by the meta enough that their weaknesses (of being kitable or getting jumped on or just generally being useless at certain stages of the game) can be overcome.

    I could certainly look at the other 63 champions that do have some sort of dash and probably find a dozen there that are bad picks too, just the same. Because maybe their numbers are terrible or their kit isn't valuable or they just have a stupid high skill cap to play at the same effectiveness as a far simpler champion that provides similar strengths.

  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    edited December 2014
    Yeah, part may just be FotM, but most positions have such clearly dominant picks.

    Top is the most diverse right now I think.

    Ziggs remains way too fucking safe for how far he can poke and waveclear and walk halfway into river to cleanup bot with his ult. Minefield and satchel are too much safety.

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. 5386-8443-8937Registered User regular
    Miniwolf wrote: »
    Though uh, CertainltyT. If you want a bullshit jungler to add to your design roster I hear Dawngate has this sweet over mobile jungler with a great make it or break it style ultimate.

    Just saying.

    Please.

    Had

    RIP

    This is why I'm encouraging whole sale cutting bits off of it to add to League.

    Yeah Dawngate had waaaaay too much going for it to get shit canned like that.

    Mostly the stats system honestly.

    Though obviously that'd never happen for League because it's too big a transition but dear god it struck a really nice balance between accessible and allowing deep, varied builds by getting rid of AD/AP and condensing a whole bunch of stats into one thing.

    Yeah my biggest complaint was the item design really. You look at an item in LoL and you get some general idea of what it does. Big sword, attack damage.

    Dawngate's items seemed mostly designed around ideas and had fairly obscure icons

    I would kill to have Dibs in League. The things @varega and I did as a dibs and Zalgus lane were warcrimes.

    Dibs is the most fun support style champion I have ever played, his ult also allowed to to do absolutely insane Solid snake stuff with spirit wells.

    I really loved King of Masks

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  • DehumanizedDehumanized Registered User regular
    edited December 2014
    Jungle's kinda diverse once you ban out the top 3-4 high sustain junglers that are currently the only great ones in the meta. Obviously a lot of balance work needs to be done there. Bot lane ADC is a bit bare right now (Lucian/Corki are just so good), but there's a lot of good support picks right now. Top is in a pretty good spot now that gnar/AD nidalee isn't bullying out all the melee champions.

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  • MiniwolfMiniwolf Registered User regular
    Polaritie wrote: »
    Yeah, part may just be FotM, but most positions have such clearly dominant picks.

    Top is the most diverse right now I think.

    Ziggs remains way too fucking safe for how far he can poke and waveclear and walk halfway into river to cleanup bot with his ult. Minefield and satchel are too much safety.

    Agreed top lane is Riven vs a lot of other champions :P


    Ziggs has a lot of counters and if you miss bombs in lane because you're playing against someone with equal range see syndra or a cc train see Lissandra or high mobility see kat/le blanc you're going to have a bad day.

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. 5386-8443-8937Registered User regular
    Hmm I've never felt like Syndra really gave me a run for my money on Ziggs

  • I needed a gnome to post.I needed a gnome to post. Registered User regular
    ziggs hasn't been the go-to mid pick for like half a year if not more

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  • AuralynxAuralynx Thirty-Seven Keys Registered User regular
    Hmm I've never felt like Syndra really gave me a run for my money on Ziggs

    Spam balls, never hold still, get mitigation, you're ok vs Ziggs.

    He'll probably still out-farm you, because basically that's his thing, but you're not nearly as boned as some other options there.

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  • AntinumericAntinumeric Registered User regular
    edited December 2014
    Why does Cassiopeias ult and Cho'Gaths W hit and damage vlad while he is pooled.

    No other ability seems to work like that.

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  • Joe KJoe K Registered User regular
    Why does Cassiopeias ult and Cho'Gaths W hit and damage vlad while he is pooled.

    No other ability seems to work like that.

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  • MiniwolfMiniwolf Registered User regular
    Miniwolf wrote: »
    Though uh, CertainltyT. If you want a bullshit jungler to add to your design roster I hear Dawngate has this sweet over mobile jungler with a great make it or break it style ultimate.

    Just saying.

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    This is why I'm encouraging whole sale cutting bits off of it to add to League.

    Yeah Dawngate had waaaaay too much going for it to get shit canned like that.

    Mostly the stats system honestly.

    Though obviously that'd never happen for League because it's too big a transition but dear god it struck a really nice balance between accessible and allowing deep, varied builds by getting rid of AD/AP and condensing a whole bunch of stats into one thing.

    Yeah my biggest complaint was the item design really. You look at an item in LoL and you get some general idea of what it does. Big sword, attack damage.

    Dawngate's items seemed mostly designed around ideas and had fairly obscure icons

    I would kill to have Dibs in League. The things @varega and I did as a dibs and Zalgus lane were warcrimes.

    Dibs is the most fun support style champion I have ever played, his ult also allowed to to do absolutely insane Solid snake stuff with spirit wells.

    I really loved King of Masks

    King of masks was basically a better designed ziggs.

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    Basically, I dont like that against a bad matchup Ziggs is "okay, I'll just farm from long range ml neener neener" and has very low risk since he never has to even get to halfway out to clear near your tower. Sure, he wont be gettingkills, but it feels like he can give up on killing you and automatically go even and you cant force kills on him without jungle.

    If he was just a safe farmer it would be one thing, but he also gets to be poking meanie with his passive and bombs against other champs.

    A bad matchup should not be a case of merely going even in lane with equal skill.

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  • TcheldorTcheldor Registered User regular
    Ziggs doesn't have the same type of impact in fights.

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  • Joe KJoe K Registered User regular
    Tcheldor wrote: »
    Ziggs doesn't have the same type of impact in fights.

    what? he has hard cc and a powerful slow that can be used to zone, everything has AOE on it and he's amazing at pushing towers down. I like the guy, but he doesn't seem to have a clear weakness.

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. 5386-8443-8937Registered User regular
    edited December 2014
    How are you defining hard cc here?

    His weakness is he has one ability to get away from assassins that is difficult to use predictably and even then won't always do the trick and that the majority of his damage can be avoided if the other player plays carefully.

    He's a siege champion, that's all.

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  • Sir LandsharkSir Landshark resting shark face Registered User regular
    Polaritie wrote: »
    Basically, I dont like that against a bad matchup Ziggs is "okay, I'll just farm from long range ml neener neener" and has very low risk since he never has to even get to halfway out to clear near your tower. Sure, he wont be gettingkills, but it feels like he can give up on killing you and automatically go even and you cant force kills on him without jungle.

    If he was just a safe farmer it would be one thing, but he also gets to be poking meanie with his passive and bombs against other champs.

    A bad matchup should not be a case of merely going even in lane with equal skill.

    I mostly play assassins mid lane and when I run into a Ziggs that just wants to farm it out he ends up severely down on CS because I freeze the lane at my tower and Ziggs can't waveclear with just Q early-mid game (the range on E is much shorter, I believe).

    Granted, I'm a low gold player so maybe this doesn't really hold at more skilled Elos.

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  • Joe KJoe K Registered User regular
    How are you defining hard cc here?

    His weakness is he has one ability to get away from assassins that is difficult to use predictably and even then won't always do the trick and that the majority of his damage can be avoided if the other player plays carefully.

    He's a siege champion, that's all.

    Hard CC is anything that stops a channel, so his satchel counts. Yes, it's a skill shot, and it is pretty predictable with a decent bit of practice.

  • RaslinRaslin Registered User regular
    Ziggs is da best

    Power farm, power push, high burst, high aoe damage, empowered AA.

    If you want to punk ziggs, go AP trist, lux if you play her well already, or any good roamer. Ziggs takes mid tower while you double kill bot and take bot turret/dragon. Ziggs might have 80cs at ten, but Ziggs can rarely hard carry, especially if other lanes are losing.

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  • VaregaVarega Registered User regular
    Miniwolf wrote: »
    Miniwolf wrote: »
    Though uh, CertainltyT. If you want a bullshit jungler to add to your design roster I hear Dawngate has this sweet over mobile jungler with a great make it or break it style ultimate.

    Just saying.

    Please.

    Had

    RIP

    This is why I'm encouraging whole sale cutting bits off of it to add to League.

    Yeah Dawngate had waaaaay too much going for it to get shit canned like that.

    Mostly the stats system honestly.

    Though obviously that'd never happen for League because it's too big a transition but dear god it struck a really nice balance between accessible and allowing deep, varied builds by getting rid of AD/AP and condensing a whole bunch of stats into one thing.

    Yeah my biggest complaint was the item design really. You look at an item in LoL and you get some general idea of what it does. Big sword, attack damage.

    Dawngate's items seemed mostly designed around ideas and had fairly obscure icons

    I would kill to have Dibs in League. The things @varega and I did as a dibs and Zalgus lane were warcrimes.

    Dibs is the most fun support style champion I have ever played, his ult also allowed to to do absolutely insane Solid snake stuff with spirit wells.

    I really loved King of Masks

    King of masks was basically a better designed ziggs.

    I remember when me and @miniwolf went against a Raina/Varion lane as Zalgus Dibs. My god, you'd think I was on the other team, those guys were raging so hard. They quit after 12 minutes. Fun times.

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  • RozRoz Boss of InternetRegistered User regular
    It seems super silly to me to try and say "oh here's the champions without mobility who are viable, and here's the champions with mobility who are viable". The entire conversation at the end of the last thread seemed HYPER-FOCUSED on mobility as though it were the means by which a champion became good, as opposed to a means. There are so many factors as to whether a champion is played and fixating on one is super silly. Ashe isn't bad because champions have dashes, Ashe is bad because she has a super-limited kit with no steroid. Ashe is bad because teams don't want her unique strengths.

    Every year people proclaim about how power creep is oh so bad and the old champions are being pushed aside and every year it's not true. Characters like Karthus and Nasus still get played, because characters and items get nerfed or buffed and this changes the scene and changes who is and isn't strong. Y'all silly billies should have a memory beyond the last match you played and keep in mind how diverse the game actually is, and how people complaining about a thing doesn't make it strong. I mean, no one hates a mechanic in LoL more than stealth, but if you listen to people bitch about it you might forget that Eve is a GARBAGE DUMP WHO CAN'T EVEN CLEAR WOLVES RIGHT NOW

    I'm totally cool with Eve stealth because you can temp ward for it, and you can see her coming and react. I don't like the stealth where the person unstealths physically on top of you and unloads a bunch of damage before you can react.

    I think Ryze is the poster boy for power with no mobility. He is pretty much always relevant due to the way itemization and his scaling interact, but that comes at the cost of no escapes and a tiny speed boost in his ult.

    I'm not really sure the game should have more Ryzes. I enjoy the playstyle from time to time, but it's not particular fun for anyone to watch a guy just farm farm farm to hit critical mass and then become a death dealing tank. I feel the game is way more enjoyable with the Ahri's, Braums, and Gnars of the world.

  • RozRoz Boss of InternetRegistered User regular
    Also, this game will forever be marred by the inability for volibear to hard engage teams. He's a bear tank, he needs to have something like Gnar's ult so he can flash and be a front line engage tool for his team. Otherwise, he just defaults to this stupidly tanky dueler and that's not his theme man! THAT'S NOT WHO HE IS!

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  • I needed a gnome to post.I needed a gnome to post. Registered User regular
    volibear needs a rework so that his kit, like....does things

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    volibear needs a rework so that his kit, like....does things

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  • TalithTalith 変態という名の紳士 Miami, FLRegistered User regular
    Maybe we can combine Ashe and Volibear so she can be mounted cavalry, solving her mobility and his not pushing any button issues.

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  • JAEFJAEF Unstoppably Bald Registered User regular
    Talith wrote: »
    Maybe we can combine Ashe and Volibear so she can be mounted cavalry, solving her mobility and his not pushing any button issues.
    Isn't that the lore behind Sejuani?

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  • MiniwolfMiniwolf Registered User regular
    edited December 2014
    Well Riot went full Hannah Montana:

    I am going to be perfectly honest, I didn't make it past 40 seconds. I skipped through it but that was the most awkward, cheesy thing since I sat through an episode of Hannah Montana while Babysitting with an ex girlfriend.

    Also is that a mounted poro head... yup thats a mounted poro head. I am going to assume this is aimed at the much younger player base, makes me wonder how many of league players are in that age group.

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  • TalithTalith 変態という名の紳士 Miami, FLRegistered User regular
    JAEF wrote: »
    Talith wrote: »
    Maybe we can combine Ashe and Volibear so she can be mounted cavalry, solving her mobility and his not pushing any button issues.
    Isn't that the lore behind Sejuani?
    Lore? Is that something they are adding this season?

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  • LilleDjevelLilleDjevel Registered User regular
    edited December 2014
    Raslin wrote: »
    Ziggs is da best

    Power farm, power push, high burst, high aoe damage, empowered AA.

    If you want to punk ziggs, go AP trist, lux if you play her well already, or any good roamer. Ziggs takes mid tower while you double kill bot and take bot turret/dragon. Ziggs might have 80cs at ten, but Ziggs can rarely hard carry, especially if other lanes are losing.

    You can actually crush Ziggs as longs as you can dodge his Qs. like I auto lock Veigar/Brand/Annie into him because I'm confident I can dodge him and out trade and kill him, and unless he is able to kite you for at least two Qs and a chunk of aas you should be able to out trade him.

    E: That said tho Ziggs is my default mid pick for matchups I don't like just because you can play safe and pick up gold from objectives later on and as long as you don't get stomped in lane you will still be relevant.

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    Raslin wrote: »
    Ziggs is da best

    Power farm, power push, high burst, high aoe damage, empowered AA.

    If you want to punk ziggs, go AP trist, lux if you play her well already, or any good roamer. Ziggs takes mid tower while you double kill bot and take bot turret/dragon. Ziggs might have 80cs at ten, but Ziggs can rarely hard carry, especially if other lanes are losing.

    You can actually crush Ziggs as longs as you can dodge his Qs. like I auto lock Veigar/Brand/Annie into him because I'm confident I can dodge him and out trade and kill him, and unless he is able to kite you for at least two Qs and a chunk of aas you should be able to out trade him.

    E: That said tho Ziggs is my default mid pick for matchups I don't like just because you can play safe and pick up gold from objectives later on and as long as you don't get stomped in lane you will still be relevant.

    Yep, it's just his ability to give up and basically not lose by default that gets to me.

    Annie is just fun for me, because I understand the "sit on 3 and hit E to prime stun" trick, then you just cycle all your cooldowns once to kill a wave, hit Q, and you're back to that nice spot. And the point-click stun on Q is SO NICE. Plus, it doesn't hurt to have the best last-hitting in the game thanks to free half cooldown Qs.

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  • credeikicredeiki Registered User regular
    Miniwolf wrote: »
    Well Riot went full Hannah Montana:

    I am going to be perfectly honest, I didn't make it past 40 seconds. I skipped through it but that was the most awkward, cheesy thing since I sat through an episode of Hannah Montana while Babysitting with an ex girlfriend.

    Also is that a mounted poro head... yup thats a mounted poro head. I am going to assume this is aimed at the much younger player base, makes me wonder how many of league players are in that age group.

    Wow, I also cannot watch that. Too bad, cause I really like cosplay and fan art and community stuff. Maybe I'll just mute it and skip through to the pictures? I just can't watch a show where the hosts are extremely perky and appear to be half my age (and I'm 26...)

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  • LilleDjevelLilleDjevel Registered User regular
    Polaritie wrote: »
    Raslin wrote: »
    Ziggs is da best

    Power farm, power push, high burst, high aoe damage, empowered AA.

    If you want to punk ziggs, go AP trist, lux if you play her well already, or any good roamer. Ziggs takes mid tower while you double kill bot and take bot turret/dragon. Ziggs might have 80cs at ten, but Ziggs can rarely hard carry, especially if other lanes are losing.

    You can actually crush Ziggs as longs as you can dodge his Qs. like I auto lock Veigar/Brand/Annie into him because I'm confident I can dodge him and out trade and kill him, and unless he is able to kite you for at least two Qs and a chunk of aas you should be able to out trade him.

    E: That said tho Ziggs is my default mid pick for matchups I don't like just because you can play safe and pick up gold from objectives later on and as long as you don't get stomped in lane you will still be relevant.

    Yep, it's just his ability to give up and basically not lose by default that gets to me.

    Annie is just fun for me, because I understand the "sit on 3 and hit E to prime stun" trick, then you just cycle all your cooldowns once to kill a wave, hit Q, and you're back to that nice spot. And the point-click stun on Q is SO NICE. Plus, it doesn't hurt to have the best last-hitting in the game thanks to free half cooldown Qs.

    Aye Annie is on of my old time favs and now days people tend to suck at playing against her makeing her even more fun.

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  • RozRoz Boss of InternetRegistered User regular
    Miniwolf wrote: »
    Well Riot went full Hannah Montana:

    I am going to be perfectly honest, I didn't make it past 40 seconds. I skipped through it but that was the most awkward, cheesy thing since I sat through an episode of Hannah Montana while Babysitting with an ex girlfriend.

    Also is that a mounted poro head... yup thats a mounted poro head. I am going to assume this is aimed at the much younger player base, makes me wonder how many of league players are in that age group.

    Riot

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    Here's how you do it in six words:

    League of Legends: The Animated Series.

    BOOM

    I just made you 300 million. It's good for kids, it's good for adults, it's not embarrassing! Win/Win/Win.

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