Carter of [SHIELD] (Unmarked Spoilers for Aired Episodes Inside)
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NOTE FROM JACOBKOSH: per our successful experiments in other recent TV show threads, our spoiler policy with "Agent Carter" going forward is this:
1) put casting news, rumors, leaks, etc about future episodes in spoilers.
2) But aside from that, all aired episodes are fair game to discuss with unmarked spoilers.
If you're not caught up on the show, the absolute best policy to avoid spoilers is to not read the thread from the point after which the new one aired.
Hayley Atwell will return as Peggy Carter who will be aided by James D'Arcy as Edwin Jarvis, Howard Stark's butler. Chad Michael Murray, Enver GJokaj, and Shea Whigham will play members of SSR, working with and over the team.
Confirmed appearances by Howard Stark and Anton Vanko and of course Stan Lee in the first season.
Follow the adventure as Agent Carter battles the holdouts of the Nazi terror group HYDRA and probably some awesome Cold War shenanigans!
1) put casting news, rumors, leaks, etc about future episodes in spoilers.
2) But aside from that, all aired episodes are fair game to discuss with unmarked spoilers.
If you're not caught up on the show, the absolute best policy to avoid spoilers is to not read the thread from the point after which the new one aired.
Wiki wrote:Marvel's Agent Carter, or simply Agent Carter, is an upcoming American television series created for ABC by Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely, inspired by the films Captain America: The First Avenger and Captain America: The Winter Soldier, and the Marvel One-Shot short film of the same name. It is set in the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU), sharing continuity with the films of the franchise.
The series features the Marvel Comics character Peggy Carter, with Hayley Atwell reprising her role from the film series, as she must balance doing administrative work and going on secret missions for Howard Stark while trying to navigate life as a single woman in 1940s America. Several characters from Marvel Cinematic Universe films appear throughout the series. It is produced by ABC Studios and Marvel Television, with Tara Butters and Michele Fazekas serving as showrunners.
The series was officially ordered on May 8, 2014, and is scheduled to debut on January 6, 2015, during the season two mid-season break of Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
Hayley Atwell will return as Peggy Carter who will be aided by James D'Arcy as Edwin Jarvis, Howard Stark's butler. Chad Michael Murray, Enver GJokaj, and Shea Whigham will play members of SSR, working with and over the team.
Confirmed appearances by Howard Stark and Anton Vanko and of course Stan Lee in the first season.
Follow the adventure as Agent Carter battles the holdouts of the Nazi terror group HYDRA and probably some awesome Cold War shenanigans!
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I'm so hyped it's unreal!
Hoping for at least a Dum Dum Dugan cameo in one of the episodes.
You know, I would totally watch a modern Carmen Sandiego show.
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One thing this has going for it is it's much more budget friendly, and being in the past won't make it so secondary to the MCU.
How long ago did you give up on SHIELD?
Because you might want to rethink that decision.
Yeah I gave up on agents of shield, but the lead here is much more compelling.
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With Carter (and hopefully Daredevil) you've got a more procedural show that doesn't have to rely on winking to the audience about characters or things they really can't use because the top shelf liquor is reserved for the movies.
Ultimately, it's all your choice, and I suppose this isn't really the right thread for it, but if you find yourself with a bit of downtime, you might want to consider marathoning the series. It's one of the few shows I actually bother watching live at this point. It's gotten really good.
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FYI, AoS this season is basically driving the MCU. Like, it is joyriding around in the MCU and spinning donuts while making WHOOP WHOOP sounds.
It's just a different show now. Saying you don't want to watch it because of the first half of last season is like saying you have no interest in Star Wars Ep7 because of The Phantom Menace.
Anyway, on topic, I am pretty hyped for this. The commercials for it just ooze style and personality. Like, I was stoked for AoS before it came out because it was a Whedon project about Marvel stuff. I am stoked for Carter because it looks legitimately phenomenal.
I wonder how grounded it's going to be. Current Marvel projects are pretty crazy with the aliens and super tech and powers, and I wonder if Carter will play it more down to earth, or go for a "shit was always crazy, it was just kept hush hush" angle.
Agent Carter Marvel Xcom would be pretty great.
Also AoS S2e10 spoilers
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Shit went down in the mid season finale. They were there at the center of it.
As for real heroes, well...again, watch the show.
It would also be nice if they actually established and developed SHIELD's role in the world.
As for the technology, I really hope they don't just gloss over extremely advanced tech like they do on AoS. The way they give some extremely advanced tech the weight they deserve but then kind of ignore other extremely advanced tech in AoS is really weird.
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now I do too
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Accidentally made immortal in the last episode...
Unfortunately, she's a bit... dead for the role.
11 years too dead, if we're being more precise.
Why I fear the ocean.
Time Travel bro. Carmen could do it, so can you!
in addition to being the best thing on tv at this moment (yes I think AOS is currently better than Flash or Arrow, though both of those are good too)
Also the worst characters from the start of shield, Skye and Ward, are arguably the best characters by the second season's mid-season break
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why does the show need to provide 'awesome revelations'?
geth, ban words: reveal, revelations
It needs to tie into AoS at least and probably should provide insight into the greater MCU. Why? It's a shared universe dude.
Iron Man references Captain America, Incredible Hulk references Iron Man, Thor references Captain America, Iron Man 3 references the Avengers, Captain America: Winter Soldier also references Avengers and Iron Man, Agents of Shield references CA:WS, etc, etc.
To put out a piece of fiction that does nothing but sit quietly by itself in the corner is, at the very least, a wasted opportunity to do more.
I will gladly reveal these revelations to you.
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This is going to dovetail back into AoS when it comes back on the air seamlessly. Questions will be answered and new ones asked.
Basically, a miniseries-long Agents of Shield flashback is what we are getting here.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
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Yep. That's exactly the distinction I was going for: referencing is not the same as providing 'awesome revelations'. Asking (or hoping) for 'awesome revelations' means no chance for the MCU to breathe, to set things up, or to use other narrative tools. A constant parade of revelations strips each of meaning.
It doesn't need to tie into Agents of Shield "at least" ... or at all. Placing restrictions on the piece of fiction -- 'it must do x or else it's wasted / bad' -- is exactly the sort of mismanagement of expectations that I find extremely frustrating. There are perfectly valid stories to be told that never touch on SHIELD proper or what some kids 70 years from 'now' are doing.
It's already tied into the MCU. Agents of Shield has shown Agent Carter running around doing things. The SSR has been talked about in Captain America, The Winter Soldier, and AoS. Howard Stark's been named in the Iron Man films and Captain America. Jarvis is J.A.R.V.I.S. The MCU already references Agent Carter, and by extension, everything in Agent Carter is referencing the rest of the MCU. Do you really need something more explicit?
The show is in a unique position, compared to basically any other MCU property. Having the show itself exist just to feed / expand on AoS plot points (as your spoiler suggests) is just as limiting as 'having it sit quietly in a corner'. I'd rather the writers take full advantage of the show's position and not feel compelled to just tick boxes.
Shared universe doesn't mean they're all the parts of the same puzzle- just means that you can get away with a little less exposition as we already know about Hydra's connection to WW2 and the sort of stuff going on at the time.
Whole point of Hydra is kind of that there isn't just one plan, but a ton of different operations going on independently.
It's a shared universe, but not a shared story. Though honestly if this was just a spin off flash back from Shield to fill in this mid season gap I'd be happy with that - especially if that becomes the norm and your mid season breaks constantly jump around to show some other future or past story tying in to the main plot but are different each time.
Probably not what you'd want from a dedicated Agent Carter series though, but it'd certainly be fun to write and probably be a useful tool for the Shield writers.
The last 10 episodes of AoS have been great, exactly because it has done a wonderful job of setting up mysteries, making us care, building them up, then revealing them. The first 10 of the series waffled around quite a bit, setting stuff up for later but never really forming its own coherent arc.
Ignore these lessons at their own peril.
It's taking AoS' time slot. It's a miniseries about a woman that helped to found SHIELD. It's rife with opportunities to tie in, reference, or explore ideas related to the parent series.
Furthermore, the next big MCU movie is Avengers: Age of Ultron, which
I think there's an expectation that Agent Carter will tell a story relevant to the greater MCU, yes.
I disagree. In a limited run series, you want to draw from existing properties so you don't have to do a lot of world building and instead can focus on the characters and plot of the show.
I think the fact that you characterize leveraging existing properties to help kickstart a new one as "just ticking boxes" is pretty telling. You can have a rich, interconnected world without being rote and boring.
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I'd agree except for the fact that Agent Carter starts at the same time the other fall/spring shows come back in early January. Arrow and Flash both start then, whereas AoS is delayed into March because of Agent Carter
That's a bad comparison: half a film is going to feel less coherent than a full film. There's a pretty clear, 22-episode long, arc in the first season.
Agents of SHIELD had a build-up to the events of season 2, episode 11. I would much prefer that Agent Carter have a similar build-up to whatever their climax is, and not just focus on
Confusingly, Agent Carter is the parent series. Excepting The First Avenger, all properties descend from it chronologically ... if not narratively. Narratively, it seems, you want it to solely be a prequel to AoS, based on the fact that it's in the AoS timeslot.
I'd like it to be a bit more than that.
And you're right. There's no shortage of opportunities to tell interesting stories ... so why do you want to limit the show to one (recently interesting) plot?
Do you really want the events of Ultron to be seeded by things that happened in the mid-40s?
A story can be relevant without being revelatory. And because you snipped away the actual point of that paragraph, allow me to rephrase: literally any story Agent Carter tells will be relevant to the greater MCU. By default.
The 'unique position' I referred to is the fact that the show is both completely supported by existing properties and takes place in the setting's past. No other property has enjoyed that particular position. Even Avengers only had half of it.
Having the show exist just to feed / expand on AoS plot points is limiting. I have emphasized these words because you apparently didn't read them. Everything the MCU has done has 'leveraged existing properties to help kickstart a new one'. If I had a problem with that, I probably wouldn't be here.
Your speculation / hope for Agent Carter is the definition of "ticking boxes". You're excited by the events of AoS and, naturally, you want more information. And since this is coming up next, you latch onto it and hope / expect it to give that development.
Do I have any problem with a AoS flashback that shows Carter dealing with
I would like Agent Carter to be more than that. To feed multiple properties.