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So I just learned that one of my cousins (born male) is transgendered and transitioning to female. From what I gather most of the family is being very supportive. Her father is a little upset about it and so is mine (though he has no reason to be in my mind) and it's being kept from the rest of the family that lives out of country. In any case I want to be supportive and would like to know a bit more about it. My cousin and I haven't been very close, mostly because we just grew up too far away from one another, but we have WoW and other video games in common, and she'll be over for Christmas. The advice I'm looking for where I can go to learn more about the process of transitioning (is that even what it's called?) and maybe some sites that talk a little more about what's common for transgendered girls as far as what sorts of common experiences (good and bad) they go through. I'd like to do more for her than just a hug and saying "I'm here for you."
As I understand it one of the best things you can do is use her chosen name and gender consistently, and correct those (who she is already out to) that don't.
I am not going to try and summon/remember every trans person on the forums, so first three that pop into my head.
@Psykoma, @Dubh, and @Metalbourne who has made some helpful threads on this very forum where some things have been discussed / explained.
One thing to do is start saying "transgender" rather than "transgendered," for the same reason you say "gay," "white," "straight," "black," "man," "woman," etc. instead of "gayed," "whited," "straighted," "blacked," "manned," "wommaned," etc.
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MetalbourneInside a cluster b personalityRegistered Userregular
I'll be happy to answer any questions you have. You can pm me if you like.
And yes, you can check through my profile for trans threads I've made, although they're SE threads so they're mostly about butts
When a work colleague transitioned, she said the thing people did that helped the most was just go 'ok' and carry on exactly as normal with her new name and personal pronouns like it was no big thing.
My cousin did the same thing. I think treating her the same way you would prior to any change is the best way to do it. Use the correct pronouns and name and just hang out like nothing has changed (because in reality nothing really has).
Having that gaming connection and playing WoW together or something may mean way more to her than you can imagine.
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Nova_CI have the needThe need for speedRegistered Userregular
Just remember that her gender doesn't define her, nor her relationships. Nothing is fundamentally different, she is the same person she was yesterday, and the day before that.
Something I didn't think about, though, until I befriended someone who is transgender, is don't ask too many questions. A lot of people are curious about transitioning, but the questions can be extremely personal. If she wants to talk about it, support her and listen, but if she doesn't, then don't ask anything you wouldn't otherwise.
Thanks again for the replies. I read through the guides on the GLAAD website, and it was very big picture very general sort of information with a lot of "don'ts" but not really a lot of "do's". Carrying on normally seemed like the right reaction, but I've been in the military a while and we tend to directly address new developments when they arise (as in me saying to her," I heard that you're transgender and I want you to know I'm here to support you"). So I kind of had to competing ideas on how to handle this. I'm not sure what transitioning step she's taking right now, or if she's starting on hormones or anything else that has a large monetary cost. She does live in California which I've learned has legislation that allows for medical insurance to pay for transitioning, but in case it doesn't I'm in a position to help her out with a few thousand dollars. I'm not really sure how to broach the subject but it sounds like I should just wait and see if it comes up naturally. So thanks again for the advice. When I get home I'm going to hit her up on Facebook and see what server she's playing on.
Just remember that her gender doesn't define her, nor her relationships. Nothing is fundamentally different, she is the same person she was yesterday, and the day before that.
Treating her like any other girl will likely be one of the most helpful things.
These two go hand in hand. It's generally good to realize that the person is the same, just a girl now. Or, truthfully, they're just expressing that now but internally, that's the person they've been.
Thanks again for the replies. I read through the guides on the GLAAD website, and it was very big picture very general sort of information with a lot of "don'ts" but not really a lot of "do's". Carrying on normally seemed like the right reaction, but I've been in the military a while and we tend to directly address new developments when they arise (as in me saying to her," I heard that you're transgender and I want you to know I'm here to support you"). So I kind of had to competing ideas on how to handle this. I'm not sure what transitioning step she's taking right now, or if she's starting on hormones or anything else that has a large monetary cost. She does live in California which I've learned has legislation that allows for medical insurance to pay for transitioning, but in case it doesn't I'm in a position to help her out with a few thousand dollars. I'm not really sure how to broach the subject but it sounds like I should just wait and see if it comes up naturally. So thanks again for the advice. When I get home I'm going to hit her up on Facebook and see what server she's playing on.
I get where you are coming from to some extent, but I think you are framing the situation incorrectly. You want her to know you love and support her? Then just treat her normally. That will convey everything right there that you want. Using the right name and pronouns, while carrying on as normal sends the message of support while also stating that you know she transitioned. The implied acceptance means a hell of a lot more than anything verbal.
Anything she wants help with she will ask for help with. You are trying to be proactive and frontline and that is great! Really I love how awesome you seem to be here. However you are getting into some deeply personal issues. Would you want someone to offer to help you pay for Viagra because older men sometimes have performance issues? Presumptuous, and shows no respect for personal boundaries right? Same thing here really. When she is ready to talk about it then listen. Listen some more. After a shit on of listening then offer it if she seems open to the offer. Where she goes with this, and on what timeline is entirely on her. Being ok with that can be frustrating to family members in my experience, but it really is important.
So we got to chatting a bit on Facebook. She's still playing WoW (but Horde, blech) and we chatted up some about Avatar which is one of the other things I love. It took me a while to actually find her: I thought she had edited her old profile but instead she made a new one. Easy enough once I found it. What bothers me though is that no one else in our family other than her brother has friended her. I talked to my parents and showed them the transgender 101 guides from GLAAD. I listened to them voice their concerns and then reminded (guilted) them that this wasn't about them but about her in what is likely going to be a really difficult time if not the most difficult time for her. Eventually I just started correcting their pronoun and name usage because it seemed like they just didn't want to accept it. We'll practice a bit more before Christmas: this is going to be one of the first times she's going to be herself in front of everyone.
Even though it looks like my family is slow to support her, one nice thing is that she does have a great support network from her friends at school. Thanks again for all the advice. I'm trying to convince her to roll an Alliance alt, but I may have to cave in and finally make that hunter.
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MichaelLCIn what furnace was thy brain?ChicagoRegistered Userregular
edited December 2014
Now this is just my opinion coming from no personal experience, but sounds like you're trying to be her champion or something.
Which is awesome, but maybe check with her to see what she thinks. Like having a different race boyfriend come for the holidays, it's OK if they only serve him white rice. And that will make everyone friends according to Hollywood.
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EncA Fool with CompassionPronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered Userregular
edited December 2014
Maybe just accept them for who they are and do't make a big thing out of it unless they want/ask/give strong signals that they want the transition to be a big thing.
Some people I know who have transitioned want it to be the focal point of every conversation they are in, and that's cool! Finally getting to the point of living openly is a really huge thing in their lives, not unlike other major milestones like marriage or childbirth. A lot of folks want to talk about it and share a lot!
That said, most folks I know just want to be treated like they were always their transitioned gender and to move on as if everything else in the universe were unchanged. Depending on how your cousin is, you'll have to figure out what is appropriate in this instance.
Important bit is just to be supportive, accepting, and make sure you don't white knight unless specifically asked.
Well for now I just want to be a family member that shows some support. She's coming over for the holidays, so I want to make this as normal as I can for her.
So we got to chatting a bit on Facebook. She's still playing WoW (but Horde, blech) and we chatted up some about Avatar which is one of the other things I love. It took me a while to actually find her: I thought she had edited her old profile but instead she made a new one. Easy enough once I found it. What bothers me though is that no one else in our family other than her brother has friended her. I talked to my parents and showed them the transgender 101 guides from GLAAD. I listened to them voice their concerns and then reminded (guilted) them that this wasn't about them but about her in what is likely going to be a really difficult time if not the most difficult time for her. Eventually I just started correcting their pronoun and name usage because it seemed like they just didn't want to accept it. We'll practice a bit more before Christmas: this is going to be one of the first times she's going to be herself in front of everyone.
Even though it looks like my family is slow to support her, one nice thing is that she does have a great support network from her friends at school. Thanks again for all the advice. I'm trying to convince her to roll an Alliance alt, but I may have to cave in and finally make that hunter.
Just as you have accepted her gender, you must accept her allegiance to the Horde.
So we got to chatting a bit on Facebook. She's still playing WoW (but Horde, blech) and we chatted up some about Avatar which is one of the other things I love. It took me a while to actually find her: I thought she had edited her old profile but instead she made a new one. Easy enough once I found it. What bothers me though is that no one else in our family other than her brother has friended her. I talked to my parents and showed them the transgender 101 guides from GLAAD. I listened to them voice their concerns and then reminded (guilted) them that this wasn't about them but about her in what is likely going to be a really difficult time if not the most difficult time for her. Eventually I just started correcting their pronoun and name usage because it seemed like they just didn't want to accept it. We'll practice a bit more before Christmas: this is going to be one of the first times she's going to be herself in front of everyone.
Even though it looks like my family is slow to support her, one nice thing is that she does have a great support network from her friends at school. Thanks again for all the advice. I'm trying to convince her to roll an Alliance alt, but I may have to cave in and finally make that hunter.
Just as you have accepted her gender, you must accept her allegiance to the Horde.
Lok'tar ogar! Victory or death - it is these words that bind me to the Horde. For they are the most sacred and fundamental of truths to any warrior of the Horde.
I give my flesh and blood freely to the Warchief. I am the instrument of my Warchief's desire. I am a weapon of my Warchief's command.
From this moment until the end of days I live and die - For the Horde!
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JohnnyCacheStarting DefensePlace at the tableRegistered Userregular
So we got to chatting a bit on Facebook. She's still playing WoW (but Horde, blech) and we chatted up some about Avatar which is one of the other things I love. It took me a while to actually find her: I thought she had edited her old profile but instead she made a new one. Easy enough once I found it. What bothers me though is that no one else in our family other than her brother has friended her. I talked to my parents and showed them the transgender 101 guides from GLAAD. I listened to them voice their concerns and then reminded (guilted) them that this wasn't about them but about her in what is likely going to be a really difficult time if not the most difficult time for her. Eventually I just started correcting their pronoun and name usage because it seemed like they just didn't want to accept it. We'll practice a bit more before Christmas: this is going to be one of the first times she's going to be herself in front of everyone.
Even though it looks like my family is slow to support her, one nice thing is that she does have a great support network from her friends at school. Thanks again for all the advice. I'm trying to convince her to roll an Alliance alt, but I may have to cave in and finally make that hunter.
like someone said above, some trans folk REALLY like to talk about it. Some others REALLY don't.
If your family gets "asky" or shitty about it at xmas gatherings, you can be a bit of a lightning rod, in the literal sense of you can ground out some of the BS, and that can at times be just as useful or moreso than other options. If someone's backing her into a corner, either with clumsy well-intentioned shit or negativity, just entering the situation and the conversation innocuously and being there so that horrible shit has to be said in front of a third party and awkward topics have the option of being changed can be a good and appreciated "rescue"
This is just my observation, but most people are good. And most people are better with their family and friends than they might be about some abstract member of a group on the news or fiction.
There's a reaction spectrum that will run between being totally cool with it, with maybe ignorance and a shocky adjustment period after a big announcement in the middle, to carved in stone Fred Phelps style bigotry. Some older people need more time with stuff like this, and others will sort of mourn not out of bigotry but because of a perception that a loved one is going to have a harder life.
Just being adult and cool about it and providing the example of honoring requests re naming and pronouns, just that specific thing, may be way more helpful than you think.
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I am not going to try and summon/remember every trans person on the forums, so first three that pop into my head.
@Psykoma, @Dubh, and @Metalbourne who has made some helpful threads on this very forum where some things have been discussed / explained.
And yes, you can check through my profile for trans threads I've made, although they're SE threads so they're mostly about butts
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my biggest advice would be to listen
even allies have a hard time doing that
keep your ears open when she is talking about transition, and don't make doubting her your first reaction
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Having that gaming connection and playing WoW together or something may mean way more to her than you can imagine.
Something I didn't think about, though, until I befriended someone who is transgender, is don't ask too many questions. A lot of people are curious about transitioning, but the questions can be extremely personal. If she wants to talk about it, support her and listen, but if she doesn't, then don't ask anything you wouldn't otherwise.
These two go hand in hand. It's generally good to realize that the person is the same, just a girl now. Or, truthfully, they're just expressing that now but internally, that's the person they've been.
I get where you are coming from to some extent, but I think you are framing the situation incorrectly. You want her to know you love and support her? Then just treat her normally. That will convey everything right there that you want. Using the right name and pronouns, while carrying on as normal sends the message of support while also stating that you know she transitioned. The implied acceptance means a hell of a lot more than anything verbal.
Anything she wants help with she will ask for help with. You are trying to be proactive and frontline and that is great! Really I love how awesome you seem to be here. However you are getting into some deeply personal issues. Would you want someone to offer to help you pay for Viagra because older men sometimes have performance issues? Presumptuous, and shows no respect for personal boundaries right? Same thing here really. When she is ready to talk about it then listen. Listen some more. After a shit on of listening then offer it if she seems open to the offer. Where she goes with this, and on what timeline is entirely on her. Being ok with that can be frustrating to family members in my experience, but it really is important.
Even though it looks like my family is slow to support her, one nice thing is that she does have a great support network from her friends at school. Thanks again for all the advice. I'm trying to convince her to roll an Alliance alt, but I may have to cave in and finally make that hunter.
Which is awesome, but maybe check with her to see what she thinks. Like having a different race boyfriend come for the holidays, it's OK if they only serve him white rice. And that will make everyone friends according to Hollywood.
Some people I know who have transitioned want it to be the focal point of every conversation they are in, and that's cool! Finally getting to the point of living openly is a really huge thing in their lives, not unlike other major milestones like marriage or childbirth. A lot of folks want to talk about it and share a lot!
That said, most folks I know just want to be treated like they were always their transitioned gender and to move on as if everything else in the universe were unchanged. Depending on how your cousin is, you'll have to figure out what is appropriate in this instance.
Important bit is just to be supportive, accepting, and make sure you don't white knight unless specifically asked.
Just as you have accepted her gender, you must accept her allegiance to the Horde.
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Lok'tar ogar! Victory or death - it is these words that bind me to the Horde. For they are the most sacred and fundamental of truths to any warrior of the Horde.
I give my flesh and blood freely to the Warchief. I am the instrument of my Warchief's desire. I am a weapon of my Warchief's command.
From this moment until the end of days I live and die - For the Horde!
like someone said above, some trans folk REALLY like to talk about it. Some others REALLY don't.
If your family gets "asky" or shitty about it at xmas gatherings, you can be a bit of a lightning rod, in the literal sense of you can ground out some of the BS, and that can at times be just as useful or moreso than other options. If someone's backing her into a corner, either with clumsy well-intentioned shit or negativity, just entering the situation and the conversation innocuously and being there so that horrible shit has to be said in front of a third party and awkward topics have the option of being changed can be a good and appreciated "rescue"
This is just my observation, but most people are good. And most people are better with their family and friends than they might be about some abstract member of a group on the news or fiction.
There's a reaction spectrum that will run between being totally cool with it, with maybe ignorance and a shocky adjustment period after a big announcement in the middle, to carved in stone Fred Phelps style bigotry. Some older people need more time with stuff like this, and others will sort of mourn not out of bigotry but because of a perception that a loved one is going to have a harder life.
Just being adult and cool about it and providing the example of honoring requests re naming and pronouns, just that specific thing, may be way more helpful than you think.
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