I would 100% rather have Damian Wayne back versus letting any pathos percolating
His death was duuuuuumb
I thought Batman Inc. was significantly better than the average New 52 story. And like they stretched it out a bit too much with the dumb steps of grief bit but the one issue with zero dialogue right after he died was really, really good.
Well Batman Inc. Wasn't a New 52 story, it was an old DCU story that they shoved into the New 52 even though it made no sense.
Personally I didn't like it very much. I really liked the first series where it was just Batman travelling around the world deputizing various Batmen but once it got into the whole megaplot with Tahlia and shit I lost all interest
And I fuckin loved Morrison's Batman and Robin
Well the thing about Batman and the New 52 is that it didn't reboot shit. The alleged "reboot" was basically just Sinestro is good now and Lois doesn't exist okay bye.
Oh yeah and Mr. Freeze got character assassinated somewhere in there too.
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AtomicTofuShe's a straight-up supervillain, yoRegistered Userregular
It Rebooted Some Shit and Other Shit Got Left Alone and It's Basically a Mess: The New 52 Story
I would 100% rather have Damian Wayne back versus letting any pathos percolating
His death was duuuuuumb
I thought Batman Inc. was significantly better than the average New 52 story. And like they stretched it out a bit too much with the dumb steps of grief bit but the one issue with zero dialogue right after he died was really, really good.
Well Batman Inc. Wasn't a New 52 story, it was an old DCU story that they shoved into the New 52 even though it made no sense.
Personally I didn't like it very much. I really liked the first series where it was just Batman travelling around the world deputizing various Batmen but once it got into the whole megaplot with Tahlia and shit I lost all interest
And I fuckin loved Morrison's Batman and Robin
Well the thing about Batman and the New 52 is that it didn't reboot shit. The alleged "reboot" was basically just Sinestro is good now and Lois doesn't exist okay bye.
Oh yeah and Mr. Freeze got character assassinated somewhere in there too.
Nah it did a lot more than that, most of which was covered in the years following the initial reboot
And the Sinestro thing is actually one of the biggest things they DIDNT reboot
The big culprits were the Batman and Green Lantern franchises which were the only two successful once pre-reboot so they left them wholly intact even if they didn't make sense in the new timeline
The version I heard is that there were some Good People at DC that wanted this reboot to mean something but then key execs were like BUT NOT BATMAN OKAY, BATMAN IS IMPORTANT LET'S LEAVE HIM ALONE, and then some Green Lantern gatekeepers went OKAY THEN NOT GREEN LANTERN EITHER and at that point it's just basically not even close to a reboot anymore because you just decided that 50% of the DC Universe shouldn't be touched.
The version I heard is that there were some Good People at DC that wanted this reboot to mean something but then key execs were like BUT NOT BATMAN OKAY, BATMAN IS IMPORTANT LET'S LEAVE HIM ALONE, and then some Green Lantern gatekeepers went OKAY THEN NOT GREEN LANTERN EITHER and at that point it's just basically not even close to a reboot anymore because you just decided that 50% of the DC Universe shouldn't be touched.
Nah, the whole thing was a giant cluster fuck with different executives giving different answers
The most likely explanation is that the thing was super risky and they wanted to hedge their bets so they kept the two cash cows they had at the time intact
I know we give DC alot of shit. A lot of shit they deserve. But we have to remember at times that the entire comics division is basically fighting for their lives constantly in order to not get just shut down by WB.
It dosen't excuse the stupid. It dosen't justify it.
Sounds more like drug-dealering than body horror-ing.
I want you to imagine that you have body dysmorphia
That, through a fluke of genetics/engineering/god, you were placed in the wrong body
You have never felt at home in your own skin your whole life
and then someone says you can click a button and all your problems will be solved
You will be the ideal of what you have always wanted to be
And then, after a month, you change back, with no warning, and are told to pay a fee you can in no way afford to get it back
Usually surgery/body modification doesn't actually solve body dismorphic disorder.
Surgery cannot actually alter your biological makeup
this can
Yeah, but in BDD the object of obsession is a symptom not the cause. It doesn't matter what changes, the obsession is still there. It's in the obsession compulsion spectrum of disorders, and actually changing the physical characteristic that's the current object of obsession can be counterproductive.
Also, worth pointing out that BDD is not related to transexualism, before someone gets the wrong idea.
The one thing the New 52 did right is that by resetting everything to #1 and at least ADVERTISING it as a reboot, it gave the impression that newcomers could and should jump in now because this is a new ground floor.
It kind of is, kinda was. I mean that's basically what I did. But then you start reading Batman Inc. and they're literally picking up from a storyline from before that needs a fair amount of setup and it turns out to be the storyline that affects Batman & Robin, one of the best books DC has, to a staggering degree.
The main reason they can't compete with Marvel though is because Marvel is trojan horsing an entire new generation onto their side with the movies and DC hasn't managed to do that since Dark Knight and that only got people onto Batman. Now DC is trying to catch up with their own movies but they're doing it both too slow and too fast at the same time, and if their efforts so far are any indication, nowhere near as well.
Sounds more like drug-dealering than body horror-ing.
I want you to imagine that you have body dysmorphia
That, through a fluke of genetics/engineering/god, you were placed in the wrong body
You have never felt at home in your own skin your whole life
and then someone says you can click a button and all your problems will be solved
You will be the ideal of what you have always wanted to be
And then, after a month, you change back, with no warning, and are told to pay a fee you can in no way afford to get it back
Usually surgery/body modification doesn't actually solve body dismorphic disorder.
Surgery cannot actually alter your biological makeup
this can
Yeah, but in BDD the object of obsession is a symptom not the cause. It doesn't matter what changes, the obsession is still there. It's in the obsession compulsion spectrum of disorders, and actually changing the physical characteristic that's the current object of obsession can be counterproductive.
Also, worth pointing out that BDD is not related to transexualism, before someone gets the wrong idea.
Then I used the incorrect term to begin with
My point is Tony gave to millions of people the means to solve previously unsolvable mental and physical health issues
I tried getting into Batman comics after Arkham City came out but all the recent ones did not grab me at all
Overall it feels like with Marvel you should be reading modern stuff cause they're the best they've ever been, and DC just read the classics cause their glory days are long gone
Not sure about GL, but Batman has been retconned/rebooted since the actual line wide reboot.
Mostly anything dealing with Robins and ages.
A bit of age-lifting isn't exactly what I'd call a reboot. At the ground floor of New 52, Damian was Robin, Dick was Nightwing, Tim was Red Robin and Jason was Red Hood. That's literally the status quo.
Of course since then Dick's stopped being Nightwing and argh what are you doing why.
I tried getting into Batman comics after Arkham City came out but all the recent ones did not grab me at all
Overall it feels like with Marvel you should be reading modern stuff cause they're the best they've ever been, and DC just read the classics cause their glory days are long gone
Batman is actually doing really well
Zero Year is my favorite Batman story, full stop
And Batman and Robin has been one of the most consistently good books of the whole reboot
I tried getting into Batman comics after Arkham City came out but all the recent ones did not grab me at all
Overall it feels like with Marvel you should be reading modern stuff cause they're the best they've ever been, and DC just read the classics cause their glory days are long gone
Vanilla Batman and B&R are great on New 52 and I for one liked Batman Inc.
Just don't even touch Dark Knight or Detective Comics.
I tried getting into Batman comics after Arkham City came out but all the recent ones did not grab me at all
Overall it feels like with Marvel you should be reading modern stuff cause they're the best they've ever been, and DC just read the classics cause their glory days are long gone
Batman is actually doing really well
Zero Year is my favorite Batman story, full stop
And Batman and Robin has been one of the most consistently good books of the whole reboot
Zero Year is by far the greatest thing they've ever done with the Riddler.
The version I heard is that there were some Good People at DC that wanted this reboot to mean something but then key execs were like BUT NOT BATMAN OKAY, BATMAN IS IMPORTANT LET'S LEAVE HIM ALONE, and then some Green Lantern gatekeepers went OKAY THEN NOT GREEN LANTERN EITHER and at that point it's just basically not even close to a reboot anymore because you just decided that 50% of the DC Universe shouldn't be touched.
Nah, the whole thing was a giant cluster fuck with different executives giving different answers
The most likely explanation is that the thing was super risky and they wanted to hedge their bets so they kept the two cash cows they had at the time intact
the explanation is that Bob Harras and Dan Didio are idiots who should never have been put in charge of a major comics company
Hey Google riddle me this: how come I can't find that one panel where duct tape Batman ramps a fucking custom dirtbike over a crowd to confront the Riddler.
I tried getting into Batman comics after Arkham City came out but all the recent ones did not grab me at all
Overall it feels like with Marvel you should be reading modern stuff cause they're the best they've ever been, and DC just read the classics cause their glory days are long gone
Batman is actually doing really well
Zero Year is my favorite Batman story, full stop
And Batman and Robin has been one of the most consistently good books of the whole reboot
Zero Year is by far the greatest thing they've ever done with the Riddler.
I keep hearing this and I am so excited to read Zero Year because of it
Riddler is probably my favorite Batman villain
The only competition he has is Deadshot, who I don't really consider a Batman villain, anymore
Not sure about GL, but Batman has been retconned/rebooted since the actual line wide reboot.
Mostly anything dealing with Robins and ages.
A bit of age-lifting isn't exactly what I'd call a reboot. At the ground floor of New 52, Damian was Robin, Dick was Nightwing, Tim was Red Robin and Jason was Red Hood. That's literally the status quo.
Of course since then Dick's stopped being Nightwing and argh what are you doing why.
They also totally fucked with Batgirl. Putting Babs back in the role when she's way cooler as Oracle, erasing the BoP from history along with Cassie and Steph.
Not sure about GL, but Batman has been retconned/rebooted since the actual line wide reboot.
Mostly anything dealing with Robins and ages.
A bit of age-lifting isn't exactly what I'd call a reboot. At the ground floor of New 52, Damian was Robin, Dick was Nightwing, Tim was Red Robin and Jason was Red Hood. That's literally the status quo.
Of course since then Dick's stopped being Nightwing and argh what are you doing why.
They also totally fucked with Batgirl. Putting Babs back in the role when she's way cooler as Oracle, erasing the BoP from history along with Cassie and Steph.
They messed with Huntress, too.
Oh yeah, forgot about Batgirl. That was one of the very selective reboots, yeah.
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AtomicTofuShe's a straight-up supervillain, yoRegistered Userregular
Sounds more like drug-dealering than body horror-ing.
I want you to imagine that you have body dysmorphia
That, through a fluke of genetics/engineering/god, you were placed in the wrong body
You have never felt at home in your own skin your whole life
and then someone says you can click a button and all your problems will be solved
You will be the ideal of what you have always wanted to be
And then, after a month, you change back, with no warning, and are told to pay a fee you can in no way afford to get it back
Usually surgery/body modification doesn't actually solve body dismorphic disorder.
Surgery cannot actually alter your biological makeup
this can
Yeah, but in BDD the object of obsession is a symptom not the cause. It doesn't matter what changes, the obsession is still there. It's in the obsession compulsion spectrum of disorders, and actually changing the physical characteristic that's the current object of obsession can be counterproductive.
Also, worth pointing out that BDD is not related to transexualism, before someone gets the wrong idea.
Then I used the incorrect term to begin with
My point is Tony gave to millions of people the means to solve previously unsolvable mental and physical health issues
and then took it away
I can see that.
Of course the true horror with the situation is when someone figures out that, "Oh shit! The brain is a mass of tissue and chemicals too!"
Not sure about GL, but Batman has been retconned/rebooted since the actual line wide reboot.
Mostly anything dealing with Robins and ages.
A bit of age-lifting isn't exactly what I'd call a reboot. At the ground floor of New 52, Damian was Robin, Dick was Nightwing, Tim was Red Robin and Jason was Red Hood. That's literally the status quo.
Of course since then Dick's stopped being Nightwing and argh what are you doing why.
They also totally fucked with Batgirl. Putting Babs back in the role when she's way cooler as Oracle, erasing the BoP from history along with Cassie and Steph.
They messed with Huntress, too.
God, I miss Babs and Dinah. And it makes me angry that DC never got the guts to say "yes, they are in love and a couple". Another wasted opportunity, same as always.
Not sure about GL, but Batman has been retconned/rebooted since the actual line wide reboot.
Mostly anything dealing with Robins and ages.
A bit of age-lifting isn't exactly what I'd call a reboot. At the ground floor of New 52, Damian was Robin, Dick was Nightwing, Tim was Red Robin and Jason was Red Hood. That's literally the status quo.
Of course since then Dick's stopped being Nightwing and argh what are you doing why.
They also totally fucked with Batgirl. Putting Babs back in the role when she's way cooler as Oracle, erasing the BoP from history along with Cassie and Steph.
They messed with Huntress, too.
Oh yeah, forgot about Batgirl. That was one of the very selective reboots, yeah.
Not sure about GL, but Batman has been retconned/rebooted since the actual line wide reboot.
Mostly anything dealing with Robins and ages.
A bit of age-lifting isn't exactly what I'd call a reboot. At the ground floor of New 52, Damian was Robin, Dick was Nightwing, Tim was Red Robin and Jason was Red Hood. That's literally the status quo.
Of course since then Dick's stopped being Nightwing and argh what are you doing why.
They also totally fucked with Batgirl. Putting Babs back in the role when she's way cooler as Oracle, erasing the BoP from history along with Cassie and Steph.
They messed with Huntress, too.
Oh yeah, forgot about Batgirl. That was one of the very selective reboots, yeah.
Is it just me mobile browsing, or is the second age of Hail Hydra at an end?
They're gone here too, on my desktop.
Realizing lately that I don't really trust or respect basically any of the moderators here. So, good luck with life, friends! Hit me up on Twitter @DesertLeviathan
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HawkstoneDon't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things. Somewhere outside of BarstowRegistered Userregular
Not sure about GL, but Batman has been retconned/rebooted since the actual line wide reboot.
Mostly anything dealing with Robins and ages.
A bit of age-lifting isn't exactly what I'd call a reboot. At the ground floor of New 52, Damian was Robin, Dick was Nightwing, Tim was Red Robin and Jason was Red Hood. That's literally the status quo.
Of course since then Dick's stopped being Nightwing and argh what are you doing why.
They also totally fucked with Batgirl. Putting Babs back in the role when she's way cooler as Oracle, erasing the BoP from history along with Cassie and Steph.
They messed with Huntress, too.
Oh yeah, forgot about Batgirl. That was one of the very selective reboots, yeah.
Tim was never Robin either.
Huuuhhhhh?
how does
what
He basically became his own superhero straight after meeting Batman.
Not sure about GL, but Batman has been retconned/rebooted since the actual line wide reboot.
Mostly anything dealing with Robins and ages.
A bit of age-lifting isn't exactly what I'd call a reboot. At the ground floor of New 52, Damian was Robin, Dick was Nightwing, Tim was Red Robin and Jason was Red Hood. That's literally the status quo.
Of course since then Dick's stopped being Nightwing and argh what are you doing why.
They also totally fucked with Batgirl. Putting Babs back in the role when she's way cooler as Oracle, erasing the BoP from history along with Cassie and Steph.
They messed with Huntress, too.
Oh yeah, forgot about Batgirl. That was one of the very selective reboots, yeah.
Tim was never Robin either.
Huuuhhhhh?
how does
what
He basically became his own superhero straight after meeting Batman.
Red Robin.
DC!
Super powered endless fries basket?
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StraightziHere we may reign secure, and in my choice,To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered Userregular
Ugh, I started thinking about how cool the Batman universe could have been if DC hadn't done the reboot
Dick Grayson remains the Batman of Gotham City, with Bruce Wayne serving as the head of Batman Inc, as well as the Batman of the Justice League
Damian Wayne gets to remain Robin, either appearing in Batman & Robin with Dick, Batman & Son with Bruce, or both
Jason Todd secretly joins Batman Inc, a secret unknown to everyone but Bruce, who he performs black ops missions and double agent work for
Not sure about GL, but Batman has been retconned/rebooted since the actual line wide reboot.
Mostly anything dealing with Robins and ages.
A bit of age-lifting isn't exactly what I'd call a reboot. At the ground floor of New 52, Damian was Robin, Dick was Nightwing, Tim was Red Robin and Jason was Red Hood. That's literally the status quo.
Of course since then Dick's stopped being Nightwing and argh what are you doing why.
They also totally fucked with Batgirl. Putting Babs back in the role when she's way cooler as Oracle, erasing the BoP from history along with Cassie and Steph.
They messed with Huntress, too.
Oh yeah, forgot about Batgirl. That was one of the very selective reboots, yeah.
Tim was never Robin either.
Huuuhhhhh?
how does
what
He basically became his own superhero straight after meeting Batman.
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Surgery cannot actually alter your biological makeup
this can
but I think 'body horror' is a totally accurate description of what tony did
Well the thing about Batman and the New 52 is that it didn't reboot shit. The alleged "reboot" was basically just Sinestro is good now and Lois doesn't exist okay bye.
Oh yeah and Mr. Freeze got character assassinated somewhere in there too.
Steam
And the Sinestro thing is actually one of the biggest things they DIDNT reboot
The big culprits were the Batman and Green Lantern franchises which were the only two successful once pre-reboot so they left them wholly intact even if they didn't make sense in the new timeline
The most likely explanation is that the thing was super risky and they wanted to hedge their bets so they kept the two cash cows they had at the time intact
It dosen't excuse the stupid. It dosen't justify it.
But it at least gives it reason.
Yeah, but in BDD the object of obsession is a symptom not the cause. It doesn't matter what changes, the obsession is still there. It's in the obsession compulsion spectrum of disorders, and actually changing the physical characteristic that's the current object of obsession can be counterproductive.
Also, worth pointing out that BDD is not related to transexualism, before someone gets the wrong idea.
Mostly anything dealing with Robins and ages.
It kind of is, kinda was. I mean that's basically what I did. But then you start reading Batman Inc. and they're literally picking up from a storyline from before that needs a fair amount of setup and it turns out to be the storyline that affects Batman & Robin, one of the best books DC has, to a staggering degree.
The main reason they can't compete with Marvel though is because Marvel is trojan horsing an entire new generation onto their side with the movies and DC hasn't managed to do that since Dark Knight and that only got people onto Batman. Now DC is trying to catch up with their own movies but they're doing it both too slow and too fast at the same time, and if their efforts so far are any indication, nowhere near as well.
But this has been discussed to death.
Then I used the incorrect term to begin with
My point is Tony gave to millions of people the means to solve previously unsolvable mental and physical health issues
and then took it away
Overall it feels like with Marvel you should be reading modern stuff cause they're the best they've ever been, and DC just read the classics cause their glory days are long gone
A bit of age-lifting isn't exactly what I'd call a reboot. At the ground floor of New 52, Damian was Robin, Dick was Nightwing, Tim was Red Robin and Jason was Red Hood. That's literally the status quo.
Of course since then Dick's stopped being Nightwing and argh what are you doing why.
Zero Year is my favorite Batman story, full stop
And Batman and Robin has been one of the most consistently good books of the whole reboot
Vanilla Batman and B&R are great on New 52 and I for one liked Batman Inc.
Just don't even touch Dark Knight or Detective Comics.
Zero Year is by far the greatest thing they've ever done with the Riddler.
the explanation is that Bob Harras and Dan Didio are idiots who should never have been put in charge of a major comics company
Steam
Small, though.
I keep hearing this and I am so excited to read Zero Year because of it
Riddler is probably my favorite Batman villain
The only competition he has is Deadshot, who I don't really consider a Batman villain, anymore
They also totally fucked with Batgirl. Putting Babs back in the role when she's way cooler as Oracle, erasing the BoP from history along with Cassie and Steph.
They messed with Huntress, too.
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Oh yeah, forgot about Batgirl. That was one of the very selective reboots, yeah.
Steam
I can see that.
Of course the true horror with the situation is when someone figures out that, "Oh shit! The brain is a mass of tissue and chemicals too!"
God, I miss Babs and Dinah. And it makes me angry that DC never got the guts to say "yes, they are in love and a couple". Another wasted opportunity, same as always.
Tim was never Robin either.
Huuuhhhhh?
how does
what
They're gone here too, on my desktop.
Tony has for the most part always been Dr. Doom with people skills in my opinion.
He basically became his own superhero straight after meeting Batman.
Red Robin.
DC!
Super powered endless fries basket?
Dick Grayson remains the Batman of Gotham City, with Bruce Wayne serving as the head of Batman Inc, as well as the Batman of the Justice League
Damian Wayne gets to remain Robin, either appearing in Batman & Robin with Dick, Batman & Son with Bruce, or both
Jason Todd secretly joins Batman Inc, a secret unknown to everyone but Bruce, who he performs black ops missions and double agent work for
Guuuhhh.