It just says that a police officer or attorney for the commonwealth can apply for a protective order if a person poses “substantial risk to themselves or others”. I don’t see any specific litmus test or advisory regarding previous convictions or anything. If approved, police come and take their guns for a while and they aren’t allowed to have guns until the order is rescinded or completed. Looks like it maxes out at 180 days.
This piece puts a lot of my feelings about the gun rally stuff into well-written words. (we've also gone over some of this ground ourselves here) It's a good read, check it out! Or don't, if you don't want to!
Gets into some of the broader topics:
But even with the Base threat—which was thoroughly ignored by right-wing media—neutralized, it seems myopic at best to describe the Monday event as “peaceful.” There was, it was true, an absence of immediate bloodshed; but what abounded, in that armed and insurrectionist sea of humanity, was the promise that bloodshed might happen at any time, should the will of the mob be thwarted. America’s exceptional tolerance towards armed white gunmen—its brooking of gun-toting militias around the country, and the po-faced seriousness with which the media takes claims of “freedom” when it comes to the right to own weapons of mass slaughter—is entirely restricted to this demographic.
The rally was, as one attendee put it to Vice reporter Tess Owen, intended to be “a show of force.” Not the force of popular will, nor the force of solidarity, but the kind of force that comes packed into magazines, with barrels cocked, effigies hung in nooses, white skulls etched on black masks. It was a force that silenced others who sought to raise their voices, and was meant to. Monday was a day of a clenched fist raised in menace; rather than be lulled by the temporary absence of bloodshed, Americans would do better to be poised for the inevitable falling of the blow.
as well as the local effects
The effects on locals amounted to a sweeping petrification. Due to Monday’s event, Richmond natives closed their businesses downtown—from a 7-11 near the Capitol to a barbershop to the entirety of Virginia Commonwealth University, which suspended all activities for the day, including internships and clinical placements; a university statement made clear that this was in response to the threat, not the federal holiday. NBC reported that some residents of Jackson Ward, a historically black neighborhood in the city, left town entirely for the day—which was Martin Luther King Jr. Day.
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The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, a group that had hosted a Martin Luther King Jr. Day event in Richmond for 28 years, canceled its vigil. “Advocates have faced armed individuals trying to intimidate us each year,” wrote the group’s president, Lori Haas, in a press release. “But this year is different; we have received information that heavily armed white supremacists will be seeking to incite violence, and our organization has decided that the safety of our volunteers, advocates, and staff, many of whom are survivors of gun violence, must be our top priority.”
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Senate passed SB240 establishing the ability to remove firearms from those posing a substantial risk of harm to themselves or others
Can we establish that anyone who says "You can take my guns from my cold dead hands!" Is a substantial risk?
I'd rather just say "Ok."
In the words of the Bug from Men In Black
Your proposal is acceptable.
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"I think it’s crazy, and I think Virginia is crazy," the president said. "They want to take away the guns in Virginia. You have a governor that’s -- I just can’t believe it -- but Virginia’s very much in play. I think we’re going to win the state of Virginia."
"They want to take everyone’s gun away in Virginia. You can’t do it. You can’t do it," he said. "People need that for safety. They need it for hunting and other -- but many people need it for safety. They need it for security."
"They’re playing with our Second Amendment," Trump continued. "Frankly, they’d get rid of it. I watched [Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam] on an interview. He would get rid of the Second Amendment if it was up to him, and you have many Democrats saying the same thing."
"They’re saying it quietly, but if they win these elections, they’re going to try and get rid of the Second Amendment. It will never happen as long as I’m here," he added.
"I think it’s crazy, and I think Virginia is crazy," the president said. "They want to take away the guns in Virginia. You have a governor that’s -- I just can’t believe it -- but Virginia’s very much in play. I think we’re going to win the state of Virginia."
"They want to take everyone’s gun away in Virginia. You can’t do it. You can’t do it," he said. "People need that for safety. They need it for hunting and other -- but many people need it for safety. They need it for security."
"They’re playing with our Second Amendment," Trump continued. "Frankly, they’d get rid of it. I watched [Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam] on an interview. He would get rid of the Second Amendment if it was up to him, and you have many Democrats saying the same thing."
"They’re saying it quietly, but if they win these elections, they’re going to try and get rid of the Second Amendment. It will never happen as long as I’m here," he added.
Of all the things Trump is completely unqualified to comment on, gun control feels like it's at the top. That he's been willing to TWICE throw them under the bus, only to be talked off the ledge once, and Pelosi telling him to go fuck himself with regard impeachment, another.
Unlike most things he bleats on, this is purely a bargaining chip for him. He would absolutely repeal the 2nd Amendment without a second thought himself if he thought it'd guarantee a win in November.
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I hate how gun ownership culture is one rooted in fear.
“I like taking the guns early, like in this crazy man’s case that just took place in Florida ... to go to court would have taken a long time,” Trump said at a meeting with lawmakers on school safety and gun violence.
“Take the guns first, go through due process second,” Trump said
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To be fair, expecting Trump to be consistent on an issue is like expecting your $1 lotto ticket to be a $1B winning ticket. You're only gonna get there via grandiose delusion
"I think it’s crazy, and I think Virginia is crazy," the president said. "They want to take away the guns in Virginia. You have a governor that’s -- I just can’t believe it -- but Virginia’s very much in play. I think we’re going to win the state of Virginia."
"They want to take everyone’s gun away in Virginia. You can’t do it. You can’t do it," he said. "People need that for safety. They need it for hunting and other -- but many people need it for safety. They need it for security."
"They’re playing with our Second Amendment," Trump continued. "Frankly, they’d get rid of it. I watched [Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam] on an interview. He would get rid of the Second Amendment if it was up to him, and you have many Democrats saying the same thing."
"They’re saying it quietly, but if they win these elections, they’re going to try and get rid of the Second Amendment. It will never happen as long as I’m here," he added.
I hate how gun ownership culture is one rooted in fear.
I mean, that's basically the only argument gun advocates have for opposing gun control. Fear of the government or fear of the boogyman. Otherwise we'd have a licensing and registration system like most other first world countries.
"I think it’s crazy, and I think Virginia is crazy," the president said. "They want to take away the guns in Virginia. You have a governor that’s -- I just can’t believe it -- but Virginia’s very much in play. I think we’re going to win the state of Virginia."
"They want to take everyone’s gun away in Virginia. You can’t do it. You can’t do it," he said. "People need that for safety. They need it for hunting and other -- but many people need it for safety. They need it for security."
"They’re playing with our Second Amendment," Trump continued. "Frankly, they’d get rid of it. I watched [Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam] on an interview. He would get rid of the Second Amendment if it was up to him, and you have many Democrats saying the same thing."
"They’re saying it quietly, but if they win these elections, they’re going to try and get rid of the Second Amendment. It will never happen as long as I’m here," he added.
Apropos of nothing, WND (formerly WorldNetDaily) is probably not one of the best places to get news from. You probably want to filter them out of whatever feeds you use:
"I think it’s crazy, and I think Virginia is crazy," the president said. "They want to take away the guns in Virginia. You have a governor that’s -- I just can’t believe it -- but Virginia’s very much in play. I think we’re going to win the state of Virginia."
"They want to take everyone’s gun away in Virginia. You can’t do it. You can’t do it," he said. "People need that for safety. They need it for hunting and other -- but many people need it for safety. They need it for security."
"They’re playing with our Second Amendment," Trump continued. "Frankly, they’d get rid of it. I watched [Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam] on an interview. He would get rid of the Second Amendment if it was up to him, and you have many Democrats saying the same thing."
"They’re saying it quietly, but if they win these elections, they’re going to try and get rid of the Second Amendment. It will never happen as long as I’m here," he added.
Apropos of nothing, WND (formerly WorldNetDaily) is probably not one of the best places to get news from. You probably want to filter them out of whatever feeds you use:
"I think it’s crazy, and I think Virginia is crazy," the president said. "They want to take away the guns in Virginia. You have a governor that’s -- I just can’t believe it -- but Virginia’s very much in play. I think we’re going to win the state of Virginia."
"They want to take everyone’s gun away in Virginia. You can’t do it. You can’t do it," he said. "People need that for safety. They need it for hunting and other -- but many people need it for safety. They need it for security."
"They’re playing with our Second Amendment," Trump continued. "Frankly, they’d get rid of it. I watched [Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam] on an interview. He would get rid of the Second Amendment if it was up to him, and you have many Democrats saying the same thing."
"They’re saying it quietly, but if they win these elections, they’re going to try and get rid of the Second Amendment. It will never happen as long as I’m here," he added.
Apropos of nothing, WND (formerly WorldNetDaily) is probably not one of the best places to get news from. You probably want to filter them out of whatever feeds you use:
It is probably one of the better places to get a feel for what the people on the conservative spectrum are reporting, without being completely lies.
Also, it was kinda under reported on regular news media (which kinda surprises me given how much the protest blew up) so took the link that looked less like a blog ran by Alex Jones.
"I think it’s crazy, and I think Virginia is crazy," the president said. "They want to take away the guns in Virginia. You have a governor that’s -- I just can’t believe it -- but Virginia’s very much in play. I think we’re going to win the state of Virginia."
"They want to take everyone’s gun away in Virginia. You can’t do it. You can’t do it," he said. "People need that for safety. They need it for hunting and other -- but many people need it for safety. They need it for security."
"They’re playing with our Second Amendment," Trump continued. "Frankly, they’d get rid of it. I watched [Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam] on an interview. He would get rid of the Second Amendment if it was up to him, and you have many Democrats saying the same thing."
"They’re saying it quietly, but if they win these elections, they’re going to try and get rid of the Second Amendment. It will never happen as long as I’m here," he added.
Apropos of nothing, WND (formerly WorldNetDaily) is probably not one of the best places to get news from. You probably want to filter them out of whatever feeds you use:
It is probably one of the better places to get a feel for what the people on the conservative spectrum are reporting, without being completely lies.
Also, it was kinda under reported on regular news media (which kinda surprises me given how much the protest blew up) so took the link that looked less like a blog ran by Alex Jones.
WND is basically Alex Jones, content wise.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
"I think it’s crazy, and I think Virginia is crazy," the president said. "They want to take away the guns in Virginia. You have a governor that’s -- I just can’t believe it -- but Virginia’s very much in play. I think we’re going to win the state of Virginia."
"They want to take everyone’s gun away in Virginia. You can’t do it. You can’t do it," he said. "People need that for safety. They need it for hunting and other -- but many people need it for safety. They need it for security."
"They’re playing with our Second Amendment," Trump continued. "Frankly, they’d get rid of it. I watched [Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam] on an interview. He would get rid of the Second Amendment if it was up to him, and you have many Democrats saying the same thing."
"They’re saying it quietly, but if they win these elections, they’re going to try and get rid of the Second Amendment. It will never happen as long as I’m here," he added.
Apropos of nothing, WND (formerly WorldNetDaily) is probably not one of the best places to get news from. You probably want to filter them out of whatever feeds you use:
It is probably one of the better places to get a feel for what the people on the conservative spectrum are reporting, without being completely lies.
Also, it was kinda under reported on regular news media (which kinda surprises me given how much the protest blew up) so took the link that looked less like a blog ran by Alex Jones.
WND is basically Alex Jones, content wise.
Write "less bad" instead, there's a link to the full interview on Fox Business video in the article.
They know democrats will be pointing to trump and the republicans gutting social security and healthcare if they win in 2020, so this will be the scare tactic. Hey we might be taking away your healthcare and gutting benefits in order to give tax breaks to the rich, but the democrats are trying to take your guns!
Good news is hopefully in Virginia we can see democrats ignore this bullshit. Because they will say democrats are coming for your guns no matter what you do. They spent all of Obama’s term saying he was a step away from your gun locker. So fuck em. Pass the bills and watch how they cry wolf with nowhere to go because when you say the sky is falling there’s kind of nowhere to go rhetorically
Though because it's always about the grift, a large if not the largest portion of these threats come from Northam's budget proposal which would block state tuition grants from online students. Liberty University primarily rolls in dough due to its enormous online student base.
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Do they just not...see the irony?
I could care less if they get the fuck out as long as it's not into a 51st state for the extra senators.
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It would be a darn shame if an evolving Virginia convinced the Junior Falwell to pack up his university and move out of state for redder pastures. A darn shame. *the barest hint of crocodile tears*
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Though because it's always about the grift, a large if not the largest portion of these threats come from Northam's budget proposal which would block state tuition grants from online students. Liberty University primarily rolls in dough due to its enormous online student base.
Yeah, this is actually a shitty move by Northam. Yes, Liberty may be abusing those grants, but online education is vital for non-traditional college students.
It would be a darn shame if an evolving Virginia convinced the Junior Falwell to pack up his university and move out of state for redder pastures. A darn shame. *the barest hint of crocodile tears*
Mixed up BJU with Liberty
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Liberty University, Falwell's fiefdom, is in Lynchburg, Virginia, though it's not like there's much ideological difference between them and Bob Jones University in Greenville, South Carolina.
Looks like a lot of wrangling but it seems the base goal is try to get to a $15 minimum wage in Virginia by 2025 though the road to get there is bumpy. The other part is setting up a fund where both employers and employees pay a small amount of their salary that allows for up to 12 weeks of paid leave at 80% of ones salary for all workers. Which is a good start and would help a ton of folks.
Other important bills also going through the legislature are expanding abortion rights and repealing a bunch of the crap put in place to limit access to family planning care.
Democratic lawmakers in Virginia are targeting abortion restrictions established by Republicans over the last decade, pushing forward legislation that seeks to roll back those restrictions and expand access to the procedure in the state.
Democrats, who now control both legislative chambers and the governor's mansion for the first time in nearly three decades, expect to be able to strike numerous abortion restrictions, including the requirement for an ultrasound and a 24-hour waiting period before a woman can have the procedure.
Lawmakers in both the House of Delegates and state Senate have advanced parallel bills that would allow nurses and physician's assistants to perform abortions (currently, only physicians can perform abortions in Virginia). The legislation also would remove a mandate that clinics performing more than a few abortions per month meet hospital standards for their facilities.
Once again I am rather happy with this legislature and I am glad I voted for them and helped get them into office.
Though because it's always about the grift, a large if not the largest portion of these threats come from Northam's budget proposal which would block state tuition grants from online students. Liberty University primarily rolls in dough due to its enormous online student base.
“If you’re not truly happy where you are, we stand with open arms to take you from Virginia or anywhere you may be,” Gov. Jim Justice said.
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And Justice, who treated the press conference as a long infomercial for his state, said at one point that the offer to join West Virginia “extends to Maryland, it extends to California, it extends to anywhere and everywhere!”
Wonder if they're happy to take in, say, people fleeing violence from cartels.
I could care less if they get the fuck out as long as it's not into a 51st state for the extra senators.
Neither Virginia nor West Virginia would agree to it, so it isn't happening.
West Virginia is actually probably okay with it - I think both houses of their legislature passed something saying they're good with it, and the governor was involved with the talk.
They're trying to argue that the statute which was passed during the Civil War didn't have an expiration period, so any county that wants to leave is still totes allowed. My guess is that any judiciary would require that the federal govt okay it (which they did during the civil war for obvious reasons, but right now they wouldn't, but if the Republicans take over the House again who the fuck even knows at this point).
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i dunno and i'm at work so can't read it but
https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+sum+SB240
It just says that a police officer or attorney for the commonwealth can apply for a protective order if a person poses “substantial risk to themselves or others”. I don’t see any specific litmus test or advisory regarding previous convictions or anything. If approved, police come and take their guns for a while and they aren’t allowed to have guns until the order is rescinded or completed. Looks like it maxes out at 180 days.
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This is the red flag law, so it's more an emergency short term removal procedure.
Can we establish that anyone who says "You can take my guns from my cold dead hands!" Is a substantial risk?
I'd rather just say "Ok."
This piece puts a lot of my feelings about the gun rally stuff into well-written words. (we've also gone over some of this ground ourselves here) It's a good read, check it out! Or don't, if you don't want to!
Gets into some of the broader topics:
as well as the local effects
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Link, since that's probably an obscure SCP reference that will only make sense to me.
http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-330
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Of all the things Trump is completely unqualified to comment on, gun control feels like it's at the top. That he's been willing to TWICE throw them under the bus, only to be talked off the ledge once, and Pelosi telling him to go fuck himself with regard impeachment, another.
Unlike most things he bleats on, this is purely a bargaining chip for him. He would absolutely repeal the 2nd Amendment without a second thought himself if he thought it'd guarantee a win in November.
You LITERALLY just lost the state of Virginia.
3 months ago.
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I mean, that's basically the only argument gun advocates have for opposing gun control. Fear of the government or fear of the boogyman. Otherwise we'd have a licensing and registration system like most other first world countries.
Apropos of nothing, WND (formerly WorldNetDaily) is probably not one of the best places to get news from. You probably want to filter them out of whatever feeds you use:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/world-net-daily-wnd/
It is probably one of the better places to get a feel for what the people on the conservative spectrum are reporting, without being completely lies.
Also, it was kinda under reported on regular news media (which kinda surprises me given how much the protest blew up) so took the link that looked less like a blog ran by Alex Jones.
WND is basically Alex Jones, content wise.
Write "less bad" instead, there's a link to the full interview on Fox Business video in the article.
Good news is hopefully in Virginia we can see democrats ignore this bullshit. Because they will say democrats are coming for your guns no matter what you do. They spent all of Obama’s term saying he was a step away from your gun locker. So fuck em. Pass the bills and watch how they cry wolf with nowhere to go because when you say the sky is falling there’s kind of nowhere to go rhetorically
That's what Jerry Falwell Jr. is doing, anyway. He can't get his way with the Virginia legislature anymore so he wants rural Virginia counties to leave and join West Virginia.
Though because it's always about the grift, a large if not the largest portion of these threats come from Northam's budget proposal which would block state tuition grants from online students. Liberty University primarily rolls in dough due to its enormous online student base.
I could care less if they get the fuck out as long as it's not into a 51st state for the extra senators.
Neither Virginia nor West Virginia would agree to it, so it isn't happening.
virginia invests a lot of money in its western and southwestern rural areas
do they imagine that will just keep happening?
Farms in Leave-voting areas of the UK asked if it would affect their EU subsidies.
Do not presume the consequences are fully comprehended until they actually happen, if even then.
I'm aware they're not leaving, but I wouldn't care if they did.
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Yeah, this is actually a shitty move by Northam. Yes, Liberty may be abusing those grants, but online education is vital for non-traditional college students.
Mixed up BJU with Liberty
Looks like a lot of wrangling but it seems the base goal is try to get to a $15 minimum wage in Virginia by 2025 though the road to get there is bumpy. The other part is setting up a fund where both employers and employees pay a small amount of their salary that allows for up to 12 weeks of paid leave at 80% of ones salary for all workers. Which is a good start and would help a ton of folks.
Virginia Democrats Advance Bills To Expand Abortion Access
Once again I am rather happy with this legislature and I am glad I voted for them and helped get them into office.
Wonder if they're happy to take in, say, people fleeing violence from cartels.
It's much easier to take them from their dead hands before they get cold and rigor sets in, just sayin'
West Virginia is actually probably okay with it - I think both houses of their legislature passed something saying they're good with it, and the governor was involved with the talk.
They're trying to argue that the statute which was passed during the Civil War didn't have an expiration period, so any county that wants to leave is still totes allowed. My guess is that any judiciary would require that the federal govt okay it (which they did during the civil war for obvious reasons, but right now they wouldn't, but if the Republicans take over the House again who the fuck even knows at this point).