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State of the Union 2015: Address to an Ungrateful Nation

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    GOP response stream starting soon.

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  • Romanian My EscutcheonRomanian My Escutcheon Two of Forks Registered User regular
    Would've liked to hear more about White House action on Ferguson/police abridgement of civil liberties, and how exactly we plan to shut down Gitmo, but overall I'm feeling confident about the next two years of the Obama administration.

    Also, damn, it's about time he got to throw some shade on the GOP. Fuckers have earned that ten times over with all of their partisan "We're the victims" bullshit.

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    GOP response up

    Or non-response since she specifically states she's not responding to anything Obama said.

    Off to a good start

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    She's literally talking about how as a girl she had to put bread bags over her shoes during the rain

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  • BarcardiBarcardi All the Wizards Under A Rock: AfganistanRegistered User regular
    Is there a recording up for Obamas speech yet? I cannot seem to find one thats not some rambling commentary.

  • The Otaku SuppositoryThe Otaku Suppository Bawstan New EnglandRegistered User regular
    There isn't a recording, but they released his address to the press and lifted the embargo on it early if you care to read it.

  • BarcardiBarcardi All the Wizards Under A Rock: AfganistanRegistered User regular
    I hope this lady runs for president.

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  • The Otaku SuppositoryThe Otaku Suppository Bawstan New EnglandRegistered User regular
    edited January 2015
    Also, my god why did they give the response to Joni Ernst? Nothing says support our agenda instead like having the rebuttal delivered by the senator who wants to eliminate the IRS, the EPA, and the Dept. of Education.

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  • Romanian My EscutcheonRomanian My Escutcheon Two of Forks Registered User regular
    edited January 2015
    The GOP responses to the State of the Union seem more and more like a Mad Libs page filled out at the last minute every year.

    We think AMERICA is good and PRESIDENT OBAMA is bad, and A NUCLEAR IRAN is something to be avoided, followed by CYBER ATTACKS.

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  • MugginsMuggins Registered User regular
    Sawant's Socialist Response is starting soon!

    GLORY TO THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF SEATTLE

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  • BarcardiBarcardi All the Wizards Under A Rock: AfganistanRegistered User regular
    There isn't a recording, but they released his address to the press and lifted the embargo on it early if you care to read it.

    Odd, i would expect it to be on youtube

  • MugginsMuggins Registered User regular
    Barcardi wrote: »
    There isn't a recording, but they released his address to the press and lifted the embargo on it early if you care to read it.

    Odd, i would expect it to be on youtube
    It was streamed live on youtube

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  • BarcardiBarcardi All the Wizards Under A Rock: AfganistanRegistered User regular
    seeing it finally...

    man i wish i was 1/16th of a public speaker as Obama is. Guy straight up gives a great speech.

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  • Captain MarcusCaptain Marcus now arrives the hour of actionRegistered User regular
    cross-posting from the D&D SOTU thread, for your enlightenment

    Obama talked about trade deals and the trade deal "fast track"

    NO no no no no no no goddamnit

    the damned sonofagun with his goddamned Wall Street cronies*

    He's talking about the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the single worst piece of legislation/trade deal/what have you in the past ten years.

    You know NAFTA? The free-trade agreement with Canada and Mexico that hollowed out the U.S. manufacturing industry and shuttered hundred of factories back in the 90s? The TPP expands NAFTA to the Pacific Rim, and it provides incentives for offshoring. It will allow foreign companies to buy whatever pristine U.S. land they want without governmental review (even at the county level), it will allow them to ignore U.S. food safety laws when shipping food to the U.S. (rat meat anyone?) and ban country-of-origin labels for food. It will also allow foreign companies to sue the U.S. government for taxpayer dollars whenever they feel that an environmental, health, or safety law "threatens expected future profits". The U.S. government would have to give equal consideration to alien firms in its purchasing decisions. No more "Buy American".

    And, AND, it's got SOPA in there too. Because fuck you, that's why.

    "Fast Track" is another phrase for "allow Big Business to pull one over on the Senate by sending them the deal as a straight up or down vote with no vetoes or amendments a day before the vote". It's also not good, and the reason why they want it is because people hate the TPP.


    *the corrupt motherfucker in charge of the U.S. Office of Trade Representative is Michael Froman, who helped out with the NAFTA deal along with Robert Rubin (the former Goldman Sachs executive who repealed Glass-Steagall) and earned a cushy job for his efforts with Citigroup. He told his good pal from college Obama to bail out the banks and earned 7.4 million in 2008. He then got on board with the Obama administration and is now poised to give his buddies the banks and companies an even bigger payout. Elizabeth Warren was one of only 4 Senators to vote against his appointment.

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  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    You can watch the full SOTU here:

    http://youtu.be/P2nc53_sohs

  • MaximumMaximum Registered User regular
    She's literally talking about how as a girl she had to put bread bags over her shoes during the rain

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  • SkylarkSkylark o7 Vile Rat o7 o7 Photon Torpedo o7Registered User regular
    edited January 2015
    She's literally talking about how as a girl she had to put bread bags over her shoes during the rain

    Why bother discussing policy when you can go for some folksy sound bites. At least she's not talking about castrating pigs again.

    Also relevant:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo

    EDIT: Just noticed that the top comment on that video is "Reminds me of Joni Ernst last night".

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  • SkylarkSkylark o7 Vile Rat o7 o7 Photon Torpedo o7Registered User regular
    The GOP responses to the State of the Union seem more and more like a Mad Libs page filled out at the last minute every year.

    We think AMERICA is good and PRESIDENT OBAMA is bad, and A NUCLEAR IRAN is something to be avoided, followed by CYBER ATTACKS.

    Contrast the "bread bags on feet" bit with last year's response"
    I grew up working at my family’s orchard and fruit stand in Kettle Falls, a small town in Eastern Washington - getting up before dawn with my brother to pick apples.

    My dad drove a school bus and my mom worked as a part-time bookkeeper. They taught me to work hard, help others, and always, always dream for more. So, when I showed my 4H animals at the county fair, my parents used to say to me, “Cathy, you need to save this money so you can go to college one day!” So I did – I saved, I worked hard, and I became the first in my family to graduate from college.

    Apparently, that wasn't blunt enough, so bagged feet it is. I hope this trend continues, so that next year we can look forward to Ted Cruz telling us how he had to sleep in a shoebox and eat cold gravel (if he was lucky), only to put up with the indignity of having to be in a study group with people from the "Lesser Ivies" when he was at Harvard Law.

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  • Metzger MeisterMetzger Meister It Gets Worse before it gets any better.Registered User regular
    Can Kshama Sawant just be our empress for life already?

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  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    I'm not comfortable giving any sort of federal power to someone who actually thinks Edward Snowden is some sort of hero

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  • LabelLabel Registered User regular
    I'd rather have that in charge that someone who thinks the security establishment is a golden child who can do no wrong and never lies to their congressional overseer's faces about anything, certainly not how much they're spying on americans or whether their torturing program actually accomplishes anything.

    All the people who tried to blow a whistle through legitimate systems on the things Edward Snowden did got screwed anyway. I'd rather have Edward Snowden be considered a hero by a long shot.

  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    I really don't think those are our only two choices. I'd rather have someone who both recognizes that the US intelligence community is in need of reform and that delivering state espionage secrets to China and Russia is a justly prosecutable crime.

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  • PwnanObrienPwnanObrien He's right, life sucks. Registered User regular
    I'm not comfortable giving any sort of federal power to someone who actually thinks Edward Snowden is some sort of hero

    Yeah, damn dissenting whistle blowers telling us when the federal government is acting outside of the law. This is why only soldiers are allowed to breed, it keeps these unruly types out of society. It's like that damn Bradley Manning lady, sympathizing with the enemy. Me? I'm from Buenos Aries and I say kill 'em all.
    I've recently seen the Renegade Cut episode about Starship Troopers.

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  • Metzger MeisterMetzger Meister It Gets Worse before it gets any better.Registered User regular
    Chelsea Manning.

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  • PwnanObrienPwnanObrien He's right, life sucks. Registered User regular
    I know Metz, I was doing a thing.

    Actually if you want a movie reference about how I feel as a progressive who voted for Obama twice...

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    I'm not comfortable giving any sort of federal power to someone who actually thinks Edward Snowden is some sort of hero
    if that is the only flaw you can think of, then she is the closest thing to the world's perfect politician.

    I'm not saying Snowden's a saint, but to think he is would be a very minor flaw considering a sizable chunk of lawmakers advocate literal torture.

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  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    I'm not comfortable giving any sort of federal power to someone who actually thinks Edward Snowden is some sort of hero

    Yeah, damn dissenting whistle blowers telling us when the federal government is acting outside of the law.

    It is absolutely not against any laws to spy on China and Russia, or even Germany and the UK for that matter.

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  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue The studying beaver That beaver sure loves studying!Registered User regular
    I'm not comfortable giving any sort of federal power to someone who actually thinks Edward Snowden is some sort of hero

    Yeah, damn dissenting whistle blowers telling us when the federal government is acting outside of the law.

    It is absolutely not against any laws to spy on China and Russia, or even Germany and the UK for that matter.

    And if you think they're not equally spying on us, then....

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  • ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    I really don't think those are our only two choices. I'd rather have someone who both recognizes that the US intelligence community is in need of reform and that delivering state espionage secrets to China and Russia is a justly prosecutable crime.

    what state secrets did he deliver to china and russia?

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  • ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    I'm not comfortable giving any sort of federal power to someone who actually thinks Edward Snowden is some sort of hero

    Yeah, damn dissenting whistle blowers telling us when the federal government is acting outside of the law.

    It is absolutely not against any laws to spy on China and Russia, or even Germany and the UK for that matter.

    And if you think they're not equally spying on us, then....

    is the German government conducting industrial espionage and then handing their information to their defense contractors?

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  • Houk the NamebringerHouk the Namebringer Nipples The EchidnaRegistered User regular
    Shorty wrote: »
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    I'm not comfortable giving any sort of federal power to someone who actually thinks Edward Snowden is some sort of hero

    Yeah, damn dissenting whistle blowers telling us when the federal government is acting outside of the law.

    It is absolutely not against any laws to spy on China and Russia, or even Germany and the UK for that matter.

    And if you think they're not equally spying on us, then....

    is the German government conducting industrial espionage and then handing their information to their defense contractors?

    probably

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  • PwnanObrienPwnanObrien He's right, life sucks. Registered User regular
    Shorty wrote: »
    I really don't think those are our only two choices. I'd rather have someone who both recognizes that the US intelligence community is in need of reform and that delivering state espionage secrets to China and Russia is a justly prosecutable crime.

    what state secrets did he deliver to china and russia?

    The kind nobody seems to be able to specify.

    That's how secret they are.

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  • ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    Houk wrote: »
    Shorty wrote: »
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    I'm not comfortable giving any sort of federal power to someone who actually thinks Edward Snowden is some sort of hero

    Yeah, damn dissenting whistle blowers telling us when the federal government is acting outside of the law.

    It is absolutely not against any laws to spy on China and Russia, or even Germany and the UK for that matter.

    And if you think they're not equally spying on us, then....

    is the German government conducting industrial espionage and then handing their information to their defense contractors?

    probably

    you're going to have to do better than "they were probably stealing from us" to justify government-sponsored theft

    and all of this is kind of irrelevant because the fact that we were spying on our foreign allies isn't even the part that anyone outside of Europe is angry about (I don't know why that was even brought up), it's the fact that the NSA is collecting and analyzing correspondence of regular American citizens with the stated goal of total awareness of all citizens' internet communications

    why is this even an argument that has to be had? a guy reveals that our government is spying on us, completely indiscriminately, and you want to talk about whether he's a hero or a criminal?

    no, fuck that, don't waste anyone's time with this trifling bullshit

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  • JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    my favorite part of the Snowden thing has been john kerry getting on TV basically mocking Snowden and daring him to set foot in a country with extradition agreements in the smuggest possible way

    you go John Kerry, I knew you were cool

  • tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Really good read on the snowden thing (I think it's this article, turns out the LRB has had quite a few this year)

    http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n04/daniel-soar/incendiary-devices

  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    Shorty wrote: »
    I really don't think those are our only two choices. I'd rather have someone who both recognizes that the US intelligence community is in need of reform and that delivering state espionage secrets to China and Russia is a justly prosecutable crime.

    what state secrets did he deliver to china and russia?

    Well here's a few:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/22/edward-snowden-us-china
    Within hours of news breaking that the US had filed charges against Snowden, the South China Morning Post reported that the whistleblower had handed over a series of documents to the paper detailing how the US had targeted Chinese phone companies as part of a widespread attempt to get its hands on a mass of data.

    Text messaging is the most popular form of communication in mainland China where more than 900bn SMS messages were exchanged in 2012. Snowden reportedly told the paper: "The NSA does all kinds of things like hack Chinese cellphone companies to steal all of your SMS data."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/15/us/nsa-effort-pries-open-computers-not-connected-to-internet.html?hp&_r=0
    Among the most frequent targets of the N.S.A. and its Pentagon partner, United States Cyber Command, have been units of the Chinese Army, which the United States has accused of launching regular digital probes and attacks on American industrial and military targets, usually to steal secrets or intellectual property. But the program, code-named Quantum, has also been successful in inserting software into Russian military networks and systems used by the Mexican police and drug cartels, trade institutions inside the European Union, and sometime partners against terrorism like Saudi Arabia, India and Pakistan, according to officials and an N.S.A. map that indicates sites of what the agency calls “computer network exploitation.”

    Over the past two months, parts of the program have been disclosed in documents from the trove leaked by Edward J. Snowden, the former N.S.A. contractor.


    http://www.dagbladet.no/2013/12/17/nyheter/samfunn/politikk/utenriks/overvaking/30877258/
    A Top Secret document shows the extensive cooperation between the Norwegian Intelligence Service (NIS) and the US National Security Agency (NSA). It confirms and specifies that Norway is conducting surveillance on Russia and that the NIS is sharing intelligence information with the NSA.

    NSA is one of the largest intelligence services in the USA, and has global reach. Dagbladet has gained access to the document, leaked by the whistleblower Edward Snowden, and is today presenting parts of it´s content. This article is written in cooperation with journalist Glenn Greenwald, who is known worldwide because of his access to the many documents leaked by Snowden.

    http://www.svt.se/ug/fra-spying-on-energy-and-baltics-for-usa
    In documents drawn up for a meeting in April this year between the US intelligence agency NSA and the Swedish FRA show that Sweden is spying on Russian energy interests and the countries in “the Baltic region”. And that the information collected is passed on to the United States.

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  • PwnanObrienPwnanObrien He's right, life sucks. Registered User regular
    If anybody in the government is upset about those secrets being leaked to China or anybody else they're spying on I've got some simple advice:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c_I841J6_M

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  • GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    It's not illegal to spy on other countries, but it is impolite.

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