He walks out, says you sent me Mr. Rory, if you get on that ship you all die. I'm Rex Tyler, Justice Society of America. End.
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So the fact that
Hourman showed up out of nowhere and basically said "JSA for season 2 Yo!" has me so excited I can't even express it. This should immediately make for a better season 2.
S1 Iris was the worst on The Flash. S2 Iris probably isn't the worst, that's either Jay or Wally, but she's in the bottom half.
Nah, she's ok this season. Didn't give her enough to do, but she did great with what she had. Now if someone can do this for Caitlin in season 3 I'd appreciate it.
S1 Iris was the worst on The Flash. S2 Iris probably isn't the worst, that's either Jay or Wally, but she's in the bottom half.
Nah, she's ok this season. Didn't give her enough to do, but she did great with what she had. Now if someone can do this for Caitlin in season 3 I'd appreciate it.
Like the time she went off and tried to play gotcha journalism with that random thug for Wally!
Or the skeeviness with her boss?
Because that's all I really remember her doing this season outside the recent "I am the rock of your speedforce" or whatever crap.
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S1 Iris was the worst on The Flash. S2 Iris probably isn't the worst, that's either Jay or Wally, but she's in the bottom half.
Nah, she's ok this season. Didn't give her enough to do, but she did great with what she had. Now if someone can do this for Caitlin in season 3 I'd appreciate it.
Like the time she went off and tried to play gotcha journalism with that random thug for Wally!
Or the skeeviness with her boss?
Because that's all I really remember her doing this season outside the recent "I am the rock of your speedforce" or whatever crap.
#1 - Lois Lane pulls that stuff all the time, so that's nothing out of the ordinary.
#2 - It was a bad idea from the start, but it's a bad decision many make in the world, and unlike many of those, she thought better of it and stopped it before it started. So that was a rather human thing, and by no means makes her the worst.
S1 Iris was the worst on The Flash. S2 Iris probably isn't the worst, that's either Jay or Wally, but she's in the bottom half.
Nah, she's ok this season. Didn't give her enough to do, but she did great with what she had. Now if someone can do this for Caitlin in season 3 I'd appreciate it.
This is the same Iris that considered dating her boss and suddenly changed her feelings for Barry, right?
S1 Iris was the worst on The Flash. S2 Iris probably isn't the worst, that's either Jay or Wally, but she's in the bottom half.
Nah, she's ok this season. Didn't give her enough to do, but she did great with what she had. Now if someone can do this for Caitlin in season 3 I'd appreciate it.
This is the same Iris that considered dating her boss and suddenly changed her feelings for Barry, right?
I'd say it went titsier up at that point. But that was the pretty much unredeemable point, yeah.
I STILL don't understand why they (the writers and the characters) think Zoom and Jay have the same memories re: Snow.
Maybe I'm being really thick here, but why wouldn't Zoom and Jay have the same memories about literally everything? Dumb as it is, they're the same dude.
Because Jay was pulled out from a prior timeline. Unless those memories he makes just automatically download to Zoom's brain it's not something that would have ever actually happened to Zoom, and if his memories do just update with the new experiences that Jay has, it would stand to reason he would have ceased to exist the second he killed them.
That's my understanding of it anyway, in truth I hate all things time travel due to how complicated it always ends up making everything. I kinda really wish it wasn't one of Flash's abilities or have ever been introduced in this show.
Edit: I realize the irony of saying that in the Legends thread, but let's be real, they did nothing but fuck with the timeline and it had no negative repercussions.
We know the Jay he killed was a time-remnant-whatever, but that doesn't mean he was one for the entire time.
Far as I remember, that was the only time we saw them together, so it could have been him just changing costumes the rest of the time.
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We are dealing with time travel, alternate universes, AND the Speedforce.
There's at least 3 Barries in that room right and 4 next season.
Closet Barry from season 1
Mom saving Barry from season 2
Barry waving Closet Barry to not act
And Season 3 Barry stopping Season 2 Barry from saving his mom. Unless Season 3 Barry stops both S1 and S2 Barry.
There's at least 3 Barries in that room right and 4 next season.
Closet Barry from season 1
Mom saving Barry from season 2
Barry waving Closet Barry to not act
And Season 3 Barry stopping Season 2 Barry from saving his mom. Unless Season 3 Barry stops both S1 and S2 Barry.
Just 3
Closet Barry from season 1
Future Barry who saves his childhood self from RF and waves at closet Barry telling him not to interfere
Season 2 Barry who is mad as hell and isn't going to take this anymore.
There's at least 3 Barries in that room right and 4 next season.
Closet Barry from season 1
Mom saving Barry from season 2
Barry waving Closet Barry to not act
And Season 3 Barry stopping Season 2 Barry from saving his mom. Unless Season 3 Barry stops both S1 and S2 Barry.
Just 3
Closet Barry from season 1
Future Barry who saves his childhood self from RF and waves at closet Barry telling him not to interfere
Season 2 Barry who is mad as hell and isn't going to take this anymore.
I just wish:
Legends would make a reference to the Time Wraiths and why they appear or don't appear as it's so random right now. Barry grabs a Time Remnant and two appear. He stops his mother from dying and nothing.
"He's sulking in his tent like Achilles! It's the Iliad?...from Homer?! READ A BOOK!!" -Handy
There's at least 3 Barries in that room right and 4 next season.
Closet Barry from season 1
Mom saving Barry from season 2
Barry waving Closet Barry to not act
And Season 3 Barry stopping Season 2 Barry from saving his mom. Unless Season 3 Barry stops both S1 and S2 Barry.
Just 3
Closet Barry from season 1
Future Barry who saves his childhood self from RF and waves at closet Barry telling him not to interfere
Season 2 Barry who is mad as hell and isn't going to take this anymore.
I just wish:
Legends would make a reference to the Time Wraiths and why they appear or don't appear as it's so random right now. Barry grabs a Time Remnant and two appear. He stops his mother from dying and nothing.
Flash Finale spoiler
Zoom did call them something like "Speed Force's enforcers" and considering how they look, maybe they exclusively deal with speed force related time fuckery.
There's at least 3 Barries in that room right and 4 next season.
Closet Barry from season 1
Mom saving Barry from season 2
Barry waving Closet Barry to not act
And Season 3 Barry stopping Season 2 Barry from saving his mom. Unless Season 3 Barry stops both S1 and S2 Barry.
Just 3
Closet Barry from season 1
Future Barry who saves his childhood self from RF and waves at closet Barry telling him not to interfere
Season 2 Barry who is mad as hell and isn't going to take this anymore.
I just wish:
Legends would make a reference to the Time Wraiths and why they appear or don't appear as it's so random right now. Barry grabs a Time Remnant and two appear. He stops his mother from dying and nothing.
Flash Finale spoiler
Zoom did call them something like "Speed Force's enforcers" and considering how they look, maybe they exclusively deal with speed force related time fuckery.
Also
The Time Wraiths look like Flash-model Dementors, and Zoom was clearly turning zombie-ish when they grabbed him, so the implication is that speedsters become Time Wraiths when they are caught doing too much timefuckery. It would follow that they're only interested in grabbing new speedsters to join their ranks.
There's at least 3 Barries in that room right and 4 next season.
Closet Barry from season 1
Mom saving Barry from season 2
Barry waving Closet Barry to not act
And Season 3 Barry stopping Season 2 Barry from saving his mom. Unless Season 3 Barry stops both S1 and S2 Barry.
Just 3
Closet Barry from season 1
Future Barry who saves his childhood self from RF and waves at closet Barry telling him not to interfere
Season 2 Barry who is mad as hell and isn't going to take this anymore.
I just wish:
Legends would make a reference to the Time Wraiths and why they appear or don't appear as it's so random right now. Barry grabs a Time Remnant and two appear. He stops his mother from dying and nothing.
Flash Finale spoiler
Zoom did call them something like "Speed Force's enforcers" and considering how they look, maybe they exclusively deal with speed force related time fuckery.
Also
The Time Wraiths look like Flash-model Dementors, and Zoom was clearly turning zombie-ish when they grabbed him, so the implication is that speedsters become Time Wraiths when they are caught doing too much timefuckery. It would follow that they're only interested in grabbing new speedsters to join their ranks.
Flash S2 finale spoiles
Zoom's transformation makes him look like the Black Racer from the comics.
There's at least 3 Barries in that room right and 4 next season.
Closet Barry from season 1
Mom saving Barry from season 2
Barry waving Closet Barry to not act
And Season 3 Barry stopping Season 2 Barry from saving his mom. Unless Season 3 Barry stops both S1 and S2 Barry.
Just 3
Closet Barry from season 1
Future Barry who saves his childhood self from RF and waves at closet Barry telling him not to interfere
Season 2 Barry who is mad as hell and isn't going to take this anymore.
I just wish:
Legends would make a reference to the Time Wraiths and why they appear or don't appear as it's so random right now. Barry grabs a Time Remnant and two appear. He stops his mother from dying and nothing.
Flash Finale spoiler
Zoom did call them something like "Speed Force's enforcers" and considering how they look, maybe they exclusively deal with speed force related time fuckery.
Also
The Time Wraiths look like Flash-model Dementors, and Zoom was clearly turning zombie-ish when they grabbed him, so the implication is that speedsters become Time Wraiths when they are caught doing too much timefuckery. It would follow that they're only interested in grabbing new speedsters to join their ranks.
Flash S2 finale spoiles
Zoom's transformation makes him look like the Black Racer from the comics.
What do you think the repercussions of the finale will be, going into next season?
The palette is wide open. The thing they love to do at the end of the season is they introduce so many different elements that could go in so many different directions. For me, personally, as an actor, Henry Allen was rather closed-ended, he was there for a purpose, he served his purpose, it was time for him to die. The fact that I’m now getting to morph into an entirely different character that is so important to the Justice Society of America, which also bleeds into “Legends of Tomorrow,” he’s such an important character to this whole world – it just opens up enormous possibilities for me as an actor going forward, and the challenge for me, having played Henry, is that I now get to create an entirely different character going forward. And how that affects Barry – because Barry’s going to want to lean on this guy who looks just like his father but is not his father – that can create a whole bunch of psychological conflict too. I’m as excited as you are to see how all of this will play out.
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I actually skipped episode 14 and just read spoilers from this thread. I didn't even want to watch another episode wholly devoted to the team being stupid and accomplishing nothing. So I watched the last two episodes. It was pretty meh, all things considered. It's hard to feel sad about Snart dying because being on Legends is like some sort of slow torturous death and it feels like he got off lightly compared to the others. I'm glad they didn't try to lay heavy feels on the Hawks leaving because seriously who fucking cares. Buh-bye. The whole reveal that everything the team was doing was actually just what the Time Masters were manipulating them to do all along felt like pure post hoc justification. Like the writers suddenly realized that the heroes have been spinning their wheels and accomplishing absolutely jack shit for the entire season and decided to make that the bad guys super secret evil plan all along. At least Savage is dead.
The whole reveal that everything the team was doing was actually just what the Time Masters were manipulating them to do all along felt like pure post hoc justification. Like the writers suddenly realized that the heroes have been spinning their wheels and accomplishing absolutely jack shit for the entire season and decided to make that the bad guys super secret evil plan all along. At least Savage is dead. [/spoiler]
Nah, they knew what was going to happen, that's why they kept sending teams to their deaths, and trained a guy to be an elite Time Master soldier specifically to immediately betray the Time Masters. All in order to... get them to bring Savage to them so they could give him the technology he needs and let him go off and immediately blow up time, all so that they could save a specific timeline, that's about to be blown up.
Technically he didn't come up with his plan to blow up time until after the Oculus was destroyed and he found out he was unmoored from the Time Masters machinations. Up until that point he was actually planning to fight the future aliens.
However, the rest of what you said holds. If this was all actually the Time Masters plans all along, their plan kind of sucked ass.
What do you think the repercussions of the finale will be, going into next season?
The palette is wide open. The thing they love to do at the end of the season is they introduce so many different elements that could go in so many different directions. For me, personally, as an actor, Henry Allen was rather closed-ended, he was there for a purpose, he served his purpose, it was time for him to die. The fact that I’m now getting to morph into an entirely different character that is so important to the Justice Society of America, which also bleeds into “Legends of Tomorrow,” he’s such an important character to this whole world – it just opens up enormous possibilities for me as an actor going forward, and the challenge for me, having played Henry, is that I now get to create an entirely different character going forward. And how that affects Barry – because Barry’s going to want to lean on this guy who looks just like his father but is not his father – that can create a whole bunch of psychological conflict too. I’m as excited as you are to see how all of this will play out.
70/30 chance he's going to be secretly evil.
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New person added to cast:
Vixen. But not the Vixen from Arrow or the Animated Series.
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Vixen. But not the Vixen from Arrow or the Animated Series.
That is a cool idea.
I watched the first animated Vixen and it's pretty clear that the role is a hereditary title based on her family's village in Africa, so they can just pull another defender of the village from the timeline. Of course, they'll need Cisco to guest star to re-name her Vixen again.
I like that they're not just re-casting the role, so the original actress can show up again when time allows. Great that her career is taking off, too.
Malcolm Merlyn is going to be making all kinds of fresh mischief in all kinds of places (and times?), as the result of Arrow vet John Barrowman‘s new deal.
TVLine has learned exclusively that akin to the groundbreaking contract that Wentworth Miller segued into at the end of his single-season Legends of Tomorrow run, Barrowman will continue to appear on Arrow and maintain series regular status — but across all of the superhero shows executive-produced by Greg Berlanti, including The Flash and Legends.
“What it really emulates to us is the comic books themselves, where there really are a cast of characters,” Berlanti said in May, when Miller’s own deal was announced. “In success, we hope to continue with other characters finding their way across all the shows.”
Barrowman recurred on Arrow‘s first two seasons, including as Oliver’s primary Season 1 adversary, then was promoted to series regular starting with Season 3. During Season 4, he also appeared on The Flash (during the crossover that teed up the DC’s Legends of Tomorrow spinoff) and had a short arc on The CW’s Reign (as the Scottish clan leader Munro).
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My head canon has her written in as one of Darkseid's minion's that is undercover, destroying Barry's self-esteem.
thats right......come at me!
She is becoming better but the " No, I will be the Barry's Speedforce anchor" was a bit too much.
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Nah, she's ok this season. Didn't give her enough to do, but she did great with what she had. Now if someone can do this for Caitlin in season 3 I'd appreciate it.
Like the time she went off and tried to play gotcha journalism with that random thug for Wally!
Or the skeeviness with her boss?
Because that's all I really remember her doing this season outside the recent "I am the rock of your speedforce" or whatever crap.
#1 - Lois Lane pulls that stuff all the time, so that's nothing out of the ordinary.
#2 - It was a bad idea from the start, but it's a bad decision many make in the world, and unlike many of those, she thought better of it and stopped it before it started. So that was a rather human thing, and by no means makes her the worst.
Iris has been pretty good this season.
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I didn't think Jay was bad. I didn't think Zoom was bad.
It was when they decided to combine them that everything went tits up.
I STILL don't understand why they (the writers and the characters) think Zoom and Jay have the same memories re: Snow.
Maybe they were pulling The Prestige-style stuff.
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Which tells you how bad she was in season 1.
Maybe I'm being really thick here, but why wouldn't Zoom and Jay have the same memories about literally everything? Dumb as it is, they're the same dude.
That's my understanding of it anyway, in truth I hate all things time travel due to how complicated it always ends up making everything. I kinda really wish it wasn't one of Flash's abilities or have ever been introduced in this show.
Edit: I realize the irony of saying that in the Legends thread, but let's be real, they did nothing but fuck with the timeline and it had no negative repercussions.
Far as I remember, that was the only time we saw them together, so it could have been him just changing costumes the rest of the time.
None of this was ever going to make sense.
And if it doesn't make sense, you must acquit!
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Closet Barry from season 1
Mom saving Barry from season 2
Barry waving Closet Barry to not act
And Season 3 Barry stopping Season 2 Barry from saving his mom. Unless Season 3 Barry stops both S1 and S2 Barry.
Just 3
Future Barry who saves his childhood self from RF and waves at closet Barry telling him not to interfere
Season 2 Barry who is mad as hell and isn't going to take this anymore.
I just wish:
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Black Flash != Black Racer
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Black_Flash_(New_Earth)
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Black_Racer
The palette is wide open. The thing they love to do at the end of the season is they introduce so many different elements that could go in so many different directions. For me, personally, as an actor, Henry Allen was rather closed-ended, he was there for a purpose, he served his purpose, it was time for him to die. The fact that I’m now getting to morph into an entirely different character that is so important to the Justice Society of America, which also bleeds into “Legends of Tomorrow,” he’s such an important character to this whole world – it just opens up enormous possibilities for me as an actor going forward, and the challenge for me, having played Henry, is that I now get to create an entirely different character going forward. And how that affects Barry – because Barry’s going to want to lean on this guy who looks just like his father but is not his father – that can create a whole bunch of psychological conflict too. I’m as excited as you are to see how all of this will play out.
Nah, they knew what was going to happen, that's why they kept sending teams to their deaths, and trained a guy to be an elite Time Master soldier specifically to immediately betray the Time Masters. All in order to... get them to bring Savage to them so they could give him the technology he needs and let him go off and immediately blow up time, all so that they could save a specific timeline, that's about to be blown up.
It all makes perfect sense.
However, the rest of what you said holds. If this was all actually the Time Masters plans all along, their plan kind of sucked ass.
That is a cool idea.
I like that they're not just re-casting the role, so the original actress can show up again when time allows. Great that her career is taking off, too.
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