It's a week old but just saw this article, get fucked dude.
It's sad that they can only get five years.
Remember that (at least in theory) the penal system is for reform as well as punishment. Better to hope that the person will come out of this as a better, productive member of society than to wish ruin upon him and all his ilk for eternity.
It's a week old but just saw this article, get fucked dude.
It's sad that they can only get five years.
Remember that (at least in theory) the penal system is for reform as well as punishment. Better to hope that the person will come out of this as a better, productive member of society than to wish ruin upon him and all his ilk for eternity.
we will have to agree to disagree
You... don't think we should rehabilitate people?
You think if someone commits a crime they're irredeemable and should just go to jail forever?
It's a week old but just saw this article, get fucked dude.
It's sad that they can only get five years.
Remember that (at least in theory) the penal system is for reform as well as punishment. Better to hope that the person will come out of this as a better, productive member of society than to wish ruin upon him and all his ilk for eternity.
we will have to agree to disagree
You... don't think we should rehabilitate people?
You think if someone commits a crime they're irredeemable and should just go to jail forever?
I think rehabilitation in this particular circumstance is a waste of time
so yeah maybe jump back from the ridiculous conclusion you just fucking leapt to
It's a week old but just saw this article, get fucked dude.
It's sad that they can only get five years.
Remember that (at least in theory) the penal system is for reform as well as punishment. Better to hope that the person will come out of this as a better, productive member of society than to wish ruin upon him and all his ilk for eternity.
we will have to agree to disagree
You... don't think we should rehabilitate people?
You think if someone commits a crime they're irredeemable and should just go to jail forever?
I think rehabilitation in this particular circumstance is a waste of time
so yeah maybe jump back from the ridiculous conclusion you just fucking leapt to
You said you don't agree the penal system is for reform
I'm sorry if that's not what you meant but I didn't jump to a conclusion
I don't know if he mentions them in that video, but Peter Molyneux has some pretty solid critiques against kickstarter. There is definitely a pressure to promise more than you're capable of delivering to reach the goal. After all, you get absolutely nothing whatsoever if you're even a single dollar short.
It isn't really an excuse, but it makes sense as a criticism.
If only Peter Molyneux hadn't had an extremely long and well-documented history of promising more than he was capable of delivering before he ever tried crowdfunding, maybe it would ring less hollow.
It only rings hollow as an excuse. I think it's totally solid and believable as a criticism of the service, and measures up properly to what we've seen from a lot of funded kickstarters.
You might not be wrong
But Molyneux is the last person on the entire planet who should be making that observation because from his end, over promising and under delivering may as well be a problem of the traditional publishing model as well
That and I can't really think of any kickstarter games that really stand out as promising more than they could deliver, unless you consider release date to be part of that
Molyneux blaming his classic inability to properly scope a project on inexperience with crowdfunding, or crowdfunding itself, is actually pretty annoying to me. It's not hard to set realistic expectations. In fact, some amateurs have done it on Kickstarter and made games better than anything Molyneux has made in ten years, so maybe he should just actually take the blame instead of throwing shade on completely unrelated shit.
Molyneux blaming his classic inability to properly scope a project on inexperience with crowdfunding, or crowdfunding itself, is actually pretty annoying to me. It's not hard to set realistic expectations. In fact, some amateurs have done it on Kickstarter and made games better than anything Molyneux has made in ten years, so maybe he should just actually take the blame instead of throwing shade on completely unrelated shit.
Maybe like, triple-A development could be characterized as "unambitious and forgettable." But indie games have exactly the right kind of inspired, targeted ambition that I want to see. That sort of innovation Molyneux has never, ever provided. I think I might hate Molyneux.
Also; for fucking real, they couldn't do a fucking second take? Molyneux stumbles over his words like three times in that terrible green screen clip. Curiosity was such horseshit.
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I disagree with virtually every point asserted by that article.
It is important to note that particular quote, and article, is from 2013.
I just find it interesting that a lot of what Leigh discusses in there are still pertinent today. The quote is actually from another developer who was interviewed a bit about Curiosity.
I disagree with virtually every point asserted by that article.
Just like I can't fully bring myself to either like or dislike Molyneux, I cannot really find myself agreeing or disagreeing with the article.
They just sort of are. They're things and ideas that I can observe or consider but drawing conclusions on how I feel about either of them seems strangely intangible.
It's the Molyneux effect. Lots of ideas that you never get to reach.
I disagree with virtually every point asserted by that article.
I tend to disagree with most opinions Leigh Alexander holds about the industry
Other than the sexism stuff of course
I find myself rarely disagreeing with Leigh Alexander.
More often than not I don't find myself exactly agreeing either, though. But I probably agree more than disagree, regardless.
I think she's a very capable writer and extremely good at provoking thought from a reader, even if they don't agree with her. That's a bigger triumph than always being 'right' in my opinion.
I read the Eurogamer article and I genuinely believe Molyneux is incompetent when it comes to managing a studio.
When the writer pushes him on whether he can guarantee multiplayer will come to Godus, basically says "no, I can't". And then the writer asks "well what happens if you don't deliver multiplayer" and his response is "We haven't entertained that. We haven't thought about that because it's always been in the plan." It's literally your job, in managing the studio and its resources, to have contingencies, and it's obvious that you need one (by your own admission).
But...but, hope! Ambition! Eventual studio closure! Unemployment! The magic of Molyneux.
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He just, yeah, has this habit of coming up with big impractical ideas.
As someone who has not put money in a Molydeux product since the first Fable, I feel like I'm coming out on top.
Well, I didn't think Molydeux has released any products himself...
we will have to agree to disagree
You... don't think we should rehabilitate people?
You think if someone commits a crime they're irredeemable and should just go to jail forever?
I think rehabilitation in this particular circumstance is a waste of time
so yeah maybe jump back from the ridiculous conclusion you just fucking leapt to
You said you don't agree the penal system is for reform
I'm sorry if that's not what you meant but I didn't jump to a conclusion
maybe don't be quite so much of a goose?
Nah
because I have serious doubts it would be effective in any way
simply getting arrested for it will probably make the kid not do it again
then why are you sad he only got five years if the arrest is all that's needed to fix the problem
EVERYBODY WANTS TO SIT IN THE BIG CHAIR, MEG!
You might not be wrong
But Molyneux is the last person on the entire planet who should be making that observation because from his end, over promising and under delivering may as well be a problem of the traditional publishing model as well
That and I can't really think of any kickstarter games that really stand out as promising more than they could deliver, unless you consider release date to be part of that
yes exactly.
Shockingly, that hasn't turned out to be much of anything
This is the video that played for him when he won
Maybe like, triple-A development could be characterized as "unambitious and forgettable." But indie games have exactly the right kind of inspired, targeted ambition that I want to see. That sort of innovation Molyneux has never, ever provided. I think I might hate Molyneux.
Also; for fucking real, they couldn't do a fucking second take? Molyneux stumbles over his words like three times in that terrible green screen clip. Curiosity was such horseshit.
I just find it interesting that a lot of what Leigh discusses in there are still pertinent today. The quote is actually from another developer who was interviewed a bit about Curiosity.
Just like I can't fully bring myself to either like or dislike Molyneux, I cannot really find myself agreeing or disagreeing with the article.
They just sort of are. They're things and ideas that I can observe or consider but drawing conclusions on how I feel about either of them seems strangely intangible.
It's the Molyneux effect. Lots of ideas that you never get to reach.
I tend to disagree with most opinions Leigh Alexander holds about the industry
Other than the sexism stuff of course
it's like telling a 9 year old their drawing is shit
I mean
A 9 year old you have paid money on the promise of a product that he doesn't deliver
I find myself rarely disagreeing with Leigh Alexander.
More often than not I don't find myself exactly agreeing either, though. But I probably agree more than disagree, regardless.
I think she's a very capable writer and extremely good at provoking thought from a reader, even if they don't agree with her. That's a bigger triumph than always being 'right' in my opinion.
I can't be one of those people who only likes games on Desura or Itch.io or something
Because the rest of the games biz is so boring and unforgettable, obviously!
When the writer pushes him on whether he can guarantee multiplayer will come to Godus, basically says "no, I can't". And then the writer asks "well what happens if you don't deliver multiplayer" and his response is "We haven't entertained that. We haven't thought about that because it's always been in the plan." It's literally your job, in managing the studio and its resources, to have contingencies, and it's obvious that you need one (by your own admission).
But...but, hope! Ambition! Eventual studio closure! Unemployment! The magic of Molyneux.
This is kind of my thing
I'm tired of the narrative that big games don't produce cool interesting ideas
I don't see why a lot of writers feel the need to denigrate AAA games in order to elevate indie stuff