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    FawstFawst The road to awe.Registered User regular
    edited May 2016
    Yeah, I need to re-read these. It's been a couple years since I read ADwD.

    Ew, terrible TOTP.

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    PsykomaPsykoma Registered User regular
    Enc wrote: »
    Speaking of crazy book theories, I heard a new one last Sunday from a friend.
    Book stuff and speculations
    Meera and Jon are twins. At the ToJ Ned took Jon, and Howland took Meera.
    There's apparently some support for this in the book as Bran describes Meera as reminding him of Arya, who is herself described as the only Stark kid who looks like Lyanna.
    Also the Three Eyed Raven is Bryndan Rivers who has one of the two Targaryn Valyrian swords, so she could take that. Or something.

    The craziest theory I've heard so far is
    that Howland Reed has been talked up like crazy but has never made an appearance to support anyone or take part in the wars because he's off being the High Sparrow so he can destroy the Lannisters (and eventually King's Landing) for what they did to Ned and his children.

    Sadly that theory doesn't stand up when you examine it critically, but it's a shame as it would be a really kickass reveal.

    My favorite book theory (now disproven by the show):
    At the tower of joy Howland Reed perma-warged Arthur Dane to keep him from killing Ned Stark, but not before taking a mortal wound. He then hid himself and returned home, residing ins seclusion from the world (explaining the 3/4ths mysteries of the tower of joy scene:
    1) How Ned beat Arthur Dayne (and impossible task)
    2) Why Howland hasn't been seen by anyone but his children since.
    3) Why no body/sword of Arthur Dane was ever recovered.

    The fourth is fairly obvious, that Jon is Layassa and Rhaegar's child, is still likely to be confirmed, but I really liked the warg theory on that battle.

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    Not really disproving your theory, but Ned returned Dawn to Starfall; it's said to still be there waiting for a Dayne worthy of it.

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    Goose!Goose! That's me, honey Show me the way home, honeyRegistered User regular
    Psykoma wrote: »
    Enc wrote: »
    Speaking of crazy book theories, I heard a new one last Sunday from a friend.
    Book stuff and speculations
    Meera and Jon are twins. At the ToJ Ned took Jon, and Howland took Meera.
    There's apparently some support for this in the book as Bran describes Meera as reminding him of Arya, who is herself described as the only Stark kid who looks like Lyanna.
    Also the Three Eyed Raven is Bryndan Rivers who has one of the two Targaryn Valyrian swords, so she could take that. Or something.

    The craziest theory I've heard so far is
    that Howland Reed has been talked up like crazy but has never made an appearance to support anyone or take part in the wars because he's off being the High Sparrow so he can destroy the Lannisters (and eventually King's Landing) for what they did to Ned and his children.

    Sadly that theory doesn't stand up when you examine it critically, but it's a shame as it would be a really kickass reveal.

    My favorite book theory (now disproven by the show):
    At the tower of joy Howland Reed perma-warged Arthur Dane to keep him from killing Ned Stark, but not before taking a mortal wound. He then hid himself and returned home, residing ins seclusion from the world (explaining the 3/4ths mysteries of the tower of joy scene:
    1) How Ned beat Arthur Dayne (and impossible task)
    2) Why Howland hasn't been seen by anyone but his children since.
    3) Why no body/sword of Arthur Dane was ever recovered.

    The fourth is fairly obvious, that Jon is Layassa and Rhaegar's child, is still likely to be confirmed, but I really liked the warg theory on that battle.

    Book
    Not really disproving your theory, but Ned returned Dawn to Starfall; it's said to still be there waiting for a Dayne worthy of it.
    A Great Dayne

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    Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    edited May 2016
    Oh this is cool, I knew about the similarities with the War of the roses, but I didn't really think about the rest of it.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj9fn4L4Njk

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I am guessing that video mentions Hardin's wall?

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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    Desktop HippieDesktop Hippie Registered User regular
    That video is fantastic. I'd completely forgotten that England was divided into seven kingdoms at one point.

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    LiiyaLiiya Registered User regular
    Whiiiteee roooooosseee, whiite roooooseee.

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    UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    Speaking of crazy book theories, I heard a new one last Sunday from a friend.
    Book stuff and speculations
    Meera and Jon are twins. At the ToJ Ned took Jon, and Howland took Meera.
    There's apparently some support for this in the book as Bran describes Meera as reminding him of Arya, who is herself described as the only Stark kid who looks like Lyanna.
    Also the Three Eyed Raven is Bryndan Rivers who has one of the two Targaryn Valyrian swords, so she could take that. Or something.

    ...huh.
    Well, she's the right age, she and Jon were both born the same year, and as with Jon, that does raise the question of how Howland had time to father a child while he was off to war

    That would add some layers to the scene where she tells Bran the story of the Knight of the Laughing Tree (who was totally Lyanna Stark). If the theory is true, then she's telling a story about her own mother, and it makes sense that Howland would make sure she knew the story as it would be the only way he could really tell her about her mother without giving away the secret.

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    A Dayne to Kill For

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    Goose!Goose! That's me, honey Show me the way home, honeyRegistered User regular
    edited May 2016
    Wow I am dumb. NVM

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    DarricDarric Santa MonicaRegistered User regular
    edited May 2016
    I am guessing that video mentions Hardin's wall?

    Hadrian's wall is definitely the inspiration.

    Incidentally, there's a fantastic featurette on the Season 5 Blurays about the historical inspirations for a lot of the book's characters. I recommend that.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I never quite get that name right.

    GRRM has outright said that Hadrian's wall was his inspiration for The Wall, however I did not know that it also had people serving life sentences there.

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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    TefTef Registered User regular
    I never quite get that name right.

    GRRM has outright said that Hadrian's wall was his inspiration for The Wall, however I did not know that it also had people serving life sentences there.
    Yeah! I think I first heard that in Mike Duncan's History of Rome podcast. Serving on Hadrian's wall was seen as a punishment posting

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    HobnailHobnail Registered User regular
    Hence all the "Hadrian is a wanker" style graffiti

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    MuddypawsMuddypaws Lactodorum, UKRegistered User regular
    edited May 2016
    I love all the letters we've found, such as an officer requesting socks and a thick cloak because of the horrid weather. Britain was a stereotype even back then!

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    GRRM's inspirations are clearly somewhat varied but there's definitely the wars of the roses, imperial rome, renaissance italy, he's clearly a guy who appreciates the bloodier political conflicts of european history and wants to incorporate that into his setting and story. Which is cool, and certainly was one of the advantages of the earlier books in that it was clearly a departure from the heroic fantasy American writers were making at the time, whose inspirations are far more romanticised (not that this is a bad thing just that it's one of the reasons Martin's books feel rather different).

    Unfortunately Martin imitators seem to draw inspiration from him rather than his source material and I think that's why a lot of them fall much flatter.

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    darleysamdarleysam On my way to UKRegistered User regular
    Solar wrote: »
    GRRM's inspirations are clearly somewhat varied but there's definitely the wars of the roses, imperial rome, renaissance italy, he's clearly a guy who appreciates the bloodier political conflicts of european history and wants to incorporate that into his setting and story. Which is cool, and certainly was one of the advantages of the earlier books in that it was clearly a departure from the heroic fantasy American writers were making at the time, whose inspirations are far more romanticised (not that this is a bad thing just that it's one of the reasons Martin's books feel rather different).

    Unfortunately Martin imitators seem to draw inspiration from him rather than his source material and I think that's why a lot of them fall much flatter.

    That so often seems to be the way in... well anything, sadly. Someone will do a tonne of legwork and research to present a significantly different approach to a story, succeed because of it, then everyone else goes and copies the end product, rather than the work that brought it about.

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    CenoCeno pizza time Registered User regular
    Sooooon.

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    jkylefultonjkylefulton Squid...or Kid? NNID - majpellRegistered User regular
    IT'S FINALLY HAPPENING

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    BucketmanBucketman Call me SkraggRegistered User regular
    Ugh UGH (tonights episode)
    Sam stop being dumb.

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    BucketmanBucketman Call me SkraggRegistered User regular
    GOD DAMN IT
    ARYA WHAT ARE YOU DOING FUCKING FUCK

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    SproutSprout Registered User regular
    Bucketman wrote: »
    GOD DAMN IT
    ARYA WHAT ARE YOU DOING FUCKING FUCK
    Training montage time is over. Arya's destiny is to go full-on Black Widow. Shit is DOPE.

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    wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    OH SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

    I'M NOT FINISHED WITH YOU!!!
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    jkylefultonjkylefulton Squid...or Kid? NNID - majpellRegistered User regular
    This episode needs to be about three hours longer.

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    SproutSprout Registered User regular
    I am enjoying Dany balling out of control. I hope this trend continues!

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    wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    Oh man only 4 episodes left.

    I'M NOT FINISHED WITH YOU!!!
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    Sweeney TomSweeney Tom Registered User regular
    Phenomenal episode, and awesome ending

    So much plot advancement finally happening and it's wonderful

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    CenoCeno pizza time Registered User regular
    WHERE'S COLDHANDS THEY SAID

    HERE HE IS

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    Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    Episode 6
    hahaha oh my god are we finally getting fucking Coldhands?

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    captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    Episode 6
    hahaha oh my god are we finally getting fucking Coldhands?
    Yeah they said so on the after the episode bits. I was not 100% sure since they don't say Coldhands during the episode. And his hands don't look very black.

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    SproutSprout Registered User regular
    captaink wrote: »
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    Episode 6
    hahaha oh my god are we finally getting fucking Coldhands?
    Yeah they said so on the after the episode bits. I was not 100% sure since they don't say Coldhands during the episode. And his hands don't look very black.
    We don't get a great look at them, but they look pretty dark from the knuckles down when he's juicing that rabbit. And if they're not going to make any effort to obscure his identity, there's no need for the medieval superhero code name.

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    Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    This episode vs. Books
    didn't Martin say Coldhands in the book ISN'T Benjen?
    It was like a note to his editor on DwD

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    captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    This episode vs. Books
    didn't Martin say Coldhands in the book ISN'T Benjen?
    It was like a note to his editor on DwD

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    captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    Danaerys
    Not that I'm complaining, but that seemed like an odd time for a rousing speech. Things were pretty chill, and they're just riding back to Mereen for a week or more.

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    cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    captaink wrote: »
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    This episode vs. Books
    didn't Martin say Coldhands in the book ISN'T Benjen?
    It was like a note to his editor on DwD
    You mean, like, the twentieth point.

    Did not expect to see The Mad King. That was surreal. Major foreshadowing about the Trial By Combat. Oh sure, she can't lose. Riiiiight.


    Damn glad that Sam manned up, if not how I expected.

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    captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    Sam
    I'm kind of mad that he stole Heartsbane. Like, how does he figure he deserves it? And what's he going to do with it anyways? It's just going to make his dad come after him, when he would have left him alone.

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    cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    captaink wrote: »
    Sam
    I'm kind of mad that he stole Heartsbane. Like, how does he figure he deserves it? And what's he going to do with it anyways? It's just going to make his dad come after him, when he would have left him alone.
    Because he knows how to use it. In more ways than one.

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    Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    captaink wrote: »
    Sam
    I'm kind of mad that he stole Heartsbane. Like, how does he figure he deserves it? And what's he going to do with it anyways? It's just going to make his dad come after him, when he would have left him alone.

    https://youtu.be/OuvEJ-U1UDc

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    PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    How did a videogame character get into Game of Thrones

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    PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    Oh shit, I just enjoyed a Sam scene

    I never thought I'd see the day

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