Lannisters Shit Gold. Which would just be a chocolate cake shot, only in a tumbler, with a chocolate gold coin in the bottom. Yes, still in the wrapper. You think shitting gold is easy?
lots of book changes/spoilers in the trailer aswell
SANSA IN WINTERFELL?! REPLACING fArya?! TAKING OVER MANDERLY ROLE???
WAHTAPPENING
I will fucking riot if Wyman isn't in this.
its been all but confirmed that a "merman" is in, but no Wyman. Little birds say Littlefinger takes over the role (lolwat he started the war and deliberately set Cat and family to doom) cause he didnt want Cat to die at RW. Sansa and LF go to Winterfell, as do Arryn soldiers. Looks like Harry the heir is out, and Sansa as Stark heir is being highlighted
lots of book changes/spoilers in the trailer aswell
SANSA IN WINTERFELL?! REPLACING fArya?! TAKING OVER MANDERLY ROLE???
WAHTAPPENING
I will fucking riot if Wyman isn't in this.
its been all but confirmed that a "merman" is in, but no Wyman. Little birds say Littlefinger takes over the role (lolwat he started the war and deliberately set Cat and family to doom) cause he didnt want Cat to die at RW. Sansa and LF go to Winterfell, as do Arryn soldiers. Looks like Harry the heir is out, and Sansa as Stark heir is being highlighted
riotriotriot
I really don't care what their justifications are, not including Wyman Manderly and the most famous scene of all of DwD is flat out stupidity of the highest order. The "audiences can't follow too many characters" excuse doesn't hold water at this point. The way the show has progressively made things dumber and more obvious has put me off so much, the atmosphere of the books nearly evaporated at the end of Season 4.
Cersei in general is a much better character in the show than the books, so are a lot of the female characters in fact. While the show has huge problems with boobs for boobs sake and all that, it has a lot more interesting and fleshed out female characters, whether that's just due to the objective approach of the show vs the books I don't know.
And say what you will about unnecessary boobs, the shit Martin describes in some of his sex scenes makes the show tame and on point in comparison
0
Options
Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Cersei slaps Joff in the show.
Cersei would kill people for touching her kid in the book.
Really, Cersei was super unlikable in the books. And here she at least has redeemable moments.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
her whole character is she thinks she's smarter than everyone when she isn't, then gets buried by hubris in an enjoyable way.
Jars on
0
Options
Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Oh no, I hate Cersei. She is horrible. Just terrible.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
0
Options
Goose!That's me, honeyShow me the way home, honeyRegistered Userregular
I guess the Harry Potter movies set me up to not get annoyed at changes made in media translation. I just can't get too mad over it. The series is a different entity. Derived from the books, but different.
Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
As long as they hit the same basic broad strokes and make GRRM a lot of money, I don't really mind.
The show got me interested in the books, so I can't really get mad at it.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
Inquisitor772 x Penny Arcade Fight Club ChampionA fixed point in space and timeRegistered Userregular
Objectively, I try incredibly hard to separate the show from the books. But I can't say I would be incredibly disappointed if they didn't try to include the Manderley plot, and the Winterfell scenes in particular.
One thing I will say is that, for all the talk about subtlety and intrigue, the show for the most part hasn't done as well at conveying the kind of small-scale dramatic tension that would be required for the Ghost in Winterfell to work. That kind of thing can quickly turn into a B-grade horror movie or, like their handling of the Purple Wedding, a low-key affair until the big hit comes out of nowhere, and is so disjointed that even a scene-by-scene examination of every moment doesn't allow you to see what actually happened. So if they can't do it well, I'd rather they not do it at all.
This is probably the biggest thing that lets me separate the show from the books. George R. R. Martin's biggest strengths are in his ability to foreshadow larger events with consistent, but small, bits of metaphor and characterization. The books are allowed to have big, epic moments because they dynamically build up to that point, much like a Beethoven symphony. The show, for the most part, seems to just revel in being always on, all the time. Even the tiny character moments turn into big, gladiatorial set pieces, such as where Cersei and Robert are duking it out. A lot of this is inherent to the medium, but some of it is just choices in direction/production. The best example I can think of, off the top of my head, is the peach scene when Renly and Stannis first meet. It's a great little moment that wouldn't have taken any extra time and really fleshed out the characterization, and yet was thrown away because of? More angry glaring from Stannis?
cersei's PoV chapters were pretty great at revealing how she can consistently think she's in charge when she's being completely manipulated
I haven't read DWD yet but
The part in the previous book when
she gives the church of the seven the right to raise their own armies? I chuckled at that one because I know that is going to bite her in her ass really bad
0
Options
Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Oh no, I hate Cersei. She is horrible. Just terrible.
why is it better that the show makes her a little redeemable
I don't think she should be. she is a Bad Person and that's fine.
Oh, it's not necessarily better. It's better for the character, not being quite as irredeemable as she should, but it isn't necessarily a better plot device.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
The peach scene was actually dropped because they forgot that northern Ireland doesn't really do "fruit".
It's the kind of thing where for a movie they could delay the scene for a day and sends some intern off to civilization for one, but with their crazy filming schedule they simply couldn't get one in time. So they dropped the peach from the scene.
It's not surprising that they'll also try to combine lots of individual character arcs, because even they simply can't have whole big sets built for one-off scenes for one relatively minor character. It kinda sucks sometimes, but that doesn't mean the people making it are idiots, just that they're still bound by the realities of schedules and budgets.
A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
I can't see a good reason to be upset about a character getting more depth. At the very least it's no worse, and arguably it's an improvement. You'll enjoy the show more if you don't automatically see every book change as being a Bad Thing.
The peach scene was actually dropped because they forgot that northern Ireland doesn't really do "fruit".
It's the kind of thing where for a movie they could delay the scene for a day and sends some intern off to civilization for one, but with their crazy filming schedule they simply couldn't get one in time. So they dropped the peach from the scene.
Yeah, I saw that explanation, too. They could've literally used any other fruit, and it would've worked. Apples, for example, are available everywhere, all year. It's one of those things that gets chalked up to poor planning, but to me, planning indicates preference. If they felt it was important to the scene, they would've made sure to get it or have some sort of backup in place (given the sheer amount of logistical shit they have to truck through, something that is clearly indicated on a page of the script should not be lost in the shuffle). I'm not gonna get all conspiracy theory ridiculous - just pointing out that the decision not to include it, even if it's poor planning, indicates something.
Posts
NO
TYRI-GIN AND PODRICK.
It's 440 am and I can't sleep guys help.
Satans..... hints.....
I will fucking riot if Wyman isn't in this.
Eh, there were the scenes leading up to it, too.
I'm not sure what to call it other than a small storyline.
riotriotriot
I really don't care what their justifications are, not including Wyman Manderly and the most famous scene of all of DwD is flat out stupidity of the highest order. The "audiences can't follow too many characters" excuse doesn't hold water at this point. The way the show has progressively made things dumber and more obvious has put me off so much, the atmosphere of the books nearly evaporated at the end of Season 4.
But I would be hugely disappointed if Wyman "The Man" Manderly doesn't make it into the show.
Which certainly ain't nothing, but also isn't a super long list
yeah
which says something heavy about their book relationship
And say what you will about unnecessary boobs, the shit Martin describes in some of his sex scenes makes the show tame and on point in comparison
Cersei would kill people for touching her kid in the book.
Really, Cersei was super unlikable in the books. And here she at least has redeemable moments.
Equal parts vodka, fruit punch (red), and orange juice (gold.)
Viola! You, my friend have just whipped up a sweet, sweet batch of "Imp Juice."
The show got me interested in the books, so I can't really get mad at it.
One thing I will say is that, for all the talk about subtlety and intrigue, the show for the most part hasn't done as well at conveying the kind of small-scale dramatic tension that would be required for the Ghost in Winterfell to work. That kind of thing can quickly turn into a B-grade horror movie or, like their handling of the Purple Wedding, a low-key affair until the big hit comes out of nowhere, and is so disjointed that even a scene-by-scene examination of every moment doesn't allow you to see what actually happened. So if they can't do it well, I'd rather they not do it at all.
This is probably the biggest thing that lets me separate the show from the books. George R. R. Martin's biggest strengths are in his ability to foreshadow larger events with consistent, but small, bits of metaphor and characterization. The books are allowed to have big, epic moments because they dynamically build up to that point, much like a Beethoven symphony. The show, for the most part, seems to just revel in being always on, all the time. Even the tiny character moments turn into big, gladiatorial set pieces, such as where Cersei and Robert are duking it out. A lot of this is inherent to the medium, but some of it is just choices in direction/production. The best example I can think of, off the top of my head, is the peach scene when Renly and Stannis first meet. It's a great little moment that wouldn't have taken any extra time and really fleshed out the characterization, and yet was thrown away because of? More angry glaring from Stannis?
why is it better that the show makes her a little redeemable
I don't think she should be. she is a Bad Person and that's fine.
Because if she were like the book version it would be kind of cartoony.
Well, I don't know if I believe anyone is 100% a dick...
PSN- AHermano
I haven't read DWD yet but
The part in the previous book when
Oh, it's not necessarily better. It's better for the character, not being quite as irredeemable as she should, but it isn't necessarily a better plot device.
It's the kind of thing where for a movie they could delay the scene for a day and sends some intern off to civilization for one, but with their crazy filming schedule they simply couldn't get one in time. So they dropped the peach from the scene.
It's not surprising that they'll also try to combine lots of individual character arcs, because even they simply can't have whole big sets built for one-off scenes for one relatively minor character. It kinda sucks sometimes, but that doesn't mean the people making it are idiots, just that they're still bound by the realities of schedules and budgets.
Yeah, I saw that explanation, too. They could've literally used any other fruit, and it would've worked. Apples, for example, are available everywhere, all year. It's one of those things that gets chalked up to poor planning, but to me, planning indicates preference. If they felt it was important to the scene, they would've made sure to get it or have some sort of backup in place (given the sheer amount of logistical shit they have to truck through, something that is clearly indicated on a page of the script should not be lost in the shuffle). I'm not gonna get all conspiracy theory ridiculous - just pointing out that the decision not to include it, even if it's poor planning, indicates something.
George R.R. Martin Will Forgo San Diego Comic-Con so He Can Finish Winds of Winter for You White Walkers
Yay for ambiguity!