If his dad was one of the first guys killed Prometheus would have had 4 years to train before this season.
Remember his dad was killed when Oliver was still in his murder spree the Hood role.
And unlike Oliver who lucked into his training, he spent the entire time actively training on how to take vengeance on Oliver specifically. 4 years of being trained by Talia and watching the Arrows every move. His monomania makes him formidable.
The sky was full of stars, every star an exploding ship. One of ours.
If his dad was one of the first guys killed Prometheus would have had 4 years to train before this season.
Remember his dad was killed when Oliver was still in his murder spree the Hood role.
And unlike Oliver who lucked into his training, he spent the entire time actively training on how to take vengeance on Oliver specifically. 4 years of being trained by Talia and watching the Arrows every move. His monomania makes him formidable.
He stalked Oliver for three years, and then found Talia after Ra's died. She started teaching him then for vengeance. One year.
Who is not to say that he didn't train in the preceding 3 years?
It might not be assassins training, but probably was intense.
Also know your enemy is rule one and a pretty hefty advantage. Look at all the problems Team Arrow has just figuring out who Prometheus is and then what his current identity is. That is 1/2 of the Season right there.
The sky was full of stars, every star an exploding ship. One of ours.
He likely developed his obsession over the course of the first season, and by the start of season 2 was actively stalking/tracking the Arrow, and probably self-training. By the end of season 3 I'm sure he realized it was Oliver, and began training even more, as well as following and stalking both Oliver and the Arrow. By season 4 he's probably working in Star City's legal offices, likely positioning himself for the resources to turn the city against the Arrow. Oliver actually becoming mayor was probably not something he immediately expected, and he likely maneuvered to get so close to the mayor's office over the course of the events of season 4. By the start of season 5, when he literally has Oliver within arms' length, he decides to spring his trap.
Obviously the training with Talia was probably a happy coincidence, she probably only accepted his offer because it served her own ends.
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Not me, I'm loving that we have a villain that has all contingencies planned for. Personally Prometheus is up there with the best villains in the Arrowverse.
Where's Artemis during all this? Did they realize that she makes absolutely no sense and that she's a terrible character. She betrayed Oliver because he's a murder which I guess on it's own is fine. Even though he killed bad guys, someone might not like that and believe they are taking a moral high ground. But she betrays him for Prometheus who was not only murdering people, he was murdering innocent people with some connection to the bad people Oliver killed. Maybe she thought it was the only way to stop Oliver and once Prometheus did so he would stop killing people. Now there was a plan by Prometheus to kill everyone in the city (a more heinous version of a plan by the guy who was originally killed and set this whole thing off) and I guess she's going along with it?
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I just had a crazy thought after tonight's episode.
Reason as to why we haven't seen Vigilante again after his confrontation with Prometheus
Crazy speculative spoilers
It's actually a double twist, we thought chase was vigilante, turns out he was actually Prometheous. The finale will end on Vigilante reveal that he is actually Tommy Merlyn.
Green Arrow, Merlyn, Deathstroke, Nyssa, and [REDACTED] versus Prometheus, Talia, Black Siren, and Evelyn Sharp.
I feel bad for the bad guys. Almost.
I love how Ollie's answer to his
team being taken
is to
recruit a bunch of villains, some not even reformed.
I mean, it's not like he has The Flash, Supergirl, and the Legends on speed dial or anything.
It does have the happy side effect that if any of the villains on his team get killed, it's not the most tragic outcome.
Though I'd like a scene with him calling all of them and getting quick reasons why they can't help.
"Barry? Could you help me with- oh shit, she died? Okay yeah, you should deal with that. Good luck with the revenge, run Barry run and all that, and please try not to change history again. *click, beep beep beep* Kara? It's Oliver from Earth-1, any chance you- another alien invasion? No, I get it, you take care of that. *click,
beep beep* Sara? Your dad's been taken hostage, could you pencil in a fly-by teleport extraction next time you're passing through the 21st century? What?
You're foiling the third gunman at the Kennedy assassination? Well, could you just come to this time when- okay okay, no time travel when it's convenient for us, I get it. *click* Man, this time of year everyone gets occupied with their own thing, don't they?"
Green Arrow, Merlyn, Deathstroke, Nyssa, and [REDACTED] versus Prometheus, Talia, Black Siren, and Evelyn Sharp.
I feel bad for the bad guys. Almost.
Hopefully in the mix is Deathstroke vs. Evelyn. Yeah I really don't like her
That'll be Thea's fight. Anything else would be way too much of a massacre.
I mean, Evelyn fighting Thea should be one-sided as hell too, but they'll have Thea hold back, or Evelyn will have gotten some lessons from,
Talia or something to bring her up a bit.
Green Arrow, Merlyn, Deathstroke, Nyssa, and [REDACTED] versus Prometheus, Talia, Black Siren, and Evelyn Sharp.
I feel bad for the bad guys. Almost.
Hopefully in the mix is Deathstroke vs. Evelyn. Yeah I really don't like her
That'll be Thea's fight. Anything else would be way too much of a massacre.
I mean, Evelyn fighting Thea should be one-sided as hell too, but they'll have Thea hold back, or Evelyn will have gotten some lessons from,
Talia or something to bring her up a bit.
If Oliver frees his team, Prometheus and friends are outnumbered
Unfounded Speculation
Likely matchups:
-Nyssa vs. Talia
-Drake Canary vs. Black Siren
-Green Arrow vs. Prometheus
Possible:
-Wild Dog vs. Artemis (loyalist recruit vs. the traitor recuit)
Unlikely but makes some sense:
-Hack battle between Felicity (with Curtis?) and Helix girl
-Spartan vs. Vigilante
-Deathstroke vs. Malcolm (would betray Oliver to keep Thea alive)
-If not the above, both re-create the Hospital fight from Hardboiled to save Oliver's kid from Talia's mook army
GONG-00 on
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Green Arrow, Merlyn, Deathstroke, Nyssa, and [REDACTED] versus Prometheus, Talia, Black Siren, and Evelyn Sharp.
I feel bad for the bad guys. Almost.
I love how Ollie's answer to his
team being taken
is to
recruit a bunch of villains, some not even reformed.
I mean, it's not like he has The Flash, Supergirl, and the Legends on speed dial or anything.
Team Flash, yeah - everyone else are unreachable to him.
I thought they had a way to contact the Legends? How did they call them for the invasion crossover?
And I think Cisco gave Kara a magic doohicky so they could communicate, so if he can contact Team Flash, they could get a message to Supergirl.
Green Arrow, Merlyn, Deathstroke, Nyssa, and [REDACTED] versus Prometheus, Talia, Black Siren, and Evelyn Sharp.
I feel bad for the bad guys. Almost.
I love how Ollie's answer to his
team being taken
is to
recruit a bunch of villains, some not even reformed.
I mean, it's not like he has The Flash, Supergirl, and the Legends on speed dial or anything.
Team Flash, yeah - everyone else are unreachable to him.
I thought they had a way to contact the Legends? How did they call them for the invasion crossover?
And I think Cisco gave Kara a magic doohicky so they could communicate, so if he can contact Team Flash, they could get a message to Supergirl.
Welp. The writers really should have thought about those implications.
So I'm just going to lay out my season review here:
This season got real tiring real fast with the Prometheus storyline. The show has reached into the "Oliver doubts himself" barrel too often, and this was it's most annoying and bizarrely themed adventure with it.
The problem was essentially the central premise - when your villain murders a fuckton of people on screen, then having him pontificate continuously about how Oliver is a killer just isn't that interesting. And what's more, makes Oliver not just fucking killing him, at the numerous points he could have done so, really god damn stupid.
But that's your theme, it's not a bad theme for a superhero show, and it's kind of necessary. But if you're going to run with it, then you need to actually have it validated - there's needs to be a catharsis where it's actually justified. The finale set it up pretty well actually - Oliver declaring he absolutely wasn't going to kill Chase worked in the context of the dead man's switch where Oliver didn't know about it yet - since then the hero's morality has a point (and a decent one - you can't take the murder back).
But then they go and undermine it, as they have done repeatedly this season, by not having that have any advantage whatsoever to the hero (and also, again, powering that primarily with stupidity - how the fuck does Chase have a gun still?). So in the finale of the season, you totally undermine your primary theme.
And all of this becomes a real problem when you have villain's who won't shut the fuck up, but don't really feel like they earn their victories. If you're not going to have a give and take in fortunes in the plot, then the villain better have something interesting to say or the heroes better be a lot more willing to call him on his BS.
EDIT: Basically, the whole season said "Oliver is a killer" while making a really good argument that Oliver should just kill everyone, or let Slade do it.
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Remember his dad was killed when Oliver was still in his murder spree the Hood role.
And unlike Oliver who lucked into his training, he spent the entire time actively training on how to take vengeance on Oliver specifically. 4 years of being trained by Talia and watching the Arrows every move. His monomania makes him formidable.
He stalked Oliver for three years, and then found Talia after Ra's died. She started teaching him then for vengeance. One year.
It might not be assassins training, but probably was intense.
Also know your enemy is rule one and a pretty hefty advantage. Look at all the problems Team Arrow has just figuring out who Prometheus is and then what his current identity is. That is 1/2 of the Season right there.
Obviously the training with Talia was probably a happy coincidence, she probably only accepted his offer because it served her own ends.
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2. Thawn
3. Deathstroke
4. Merlyn
5. Prometheus
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1,000,000. Vandal Savage
That order.
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I wouldn't say I have a badguy. I'm fighting a few different people.
I like to fight around.
I'm a little commitment-phobic. I don't like the idea that a particular villain can count on me to foil schemes.
The real Vigilante was the friends we made along the way!
Reason as to why we haven't seen Vigilante again after his confrontation with Prometheus
Crazy speculative spoilers
Some shit is about to happen
I feel bad for the bad guys. Almost.
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I love how Ollie's answer to his
I mean, it's not like he has The Flash, Supergirl, and the Legends on speed dial or anything.
So his solution should work.
Though I'd like a scene with him calling all of them and getting quick reasons why they can't help.
"Barry? Could you help me with- oh shit, she died? Okay yeah, you should deal with that. Good luck with the revenge, run Barry run and all that, and please try not to change history again. *click, beep beep beep* Kara? It's Oliver from Earth-1, any chance you- another alien invasion? No, I get it, you take care of that. *click,
beep beep* Sara? Your dad's been taken hostage, could you pencil in a fly-by teleport extraction next time you're passing through the 21st century? What?
You're foiling the third gunman at the Kennedy assassination? Well, could you just come to this time when- okay okay, no time travel when it's convenient for us, I get it. *click* Man, this time of year everyone gets occupied with their own thing, don't they?"
I mean, Evelyn fighting Thea should be one-sided as hell too, but they'll have Thea hold back, or Evelyn will have gotten some lessons from,
Talia or something to bring her up a bit.
Unfounded Speculation
-Nyssa vs. Talia
-Drake Canary vs. Black Siren
-Green Arrow vs. Prometheus
Possible:
-Wild Dog vs. Artemis (loyalist recruit vs. the traitor recuit)
Unlikely but makes some sense:
-Hack battle between Felicity (with Curtis?) and Helix girl
-Spartan vs. Vigilante
-Deathstroke vs. Malcolm (would betray Oliver to keep Thea alive)
-If not the above, both re-create the Hospital fight from Hardboiled to save Oliver's kid from Talia's mook army
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Law and Order ≠ Justice
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And I think Cisco gave Kara a magic doohicky so they could communicate, so if he can contact Team Flash, they could get a message to Supergirl.
My money is on
Brutal right?
The problem was essentially the central premise - when your villain murders a fuckton of people on screen, then having him pontificate continuously about how Oliver is a killer just isn't that interesting. And what's more, makes Oliver not just fucking killing him, at the numerous points he could have done so, really god damn stupid.
But that's your theme, it's not a bad theme for a superhero show, and it's kind of necessary. But if you're going to run with it, then you need to actually have it validated - there's needs to be a catharsis where it's actually justified. The finale set it up pretty well actually - Oliver declaring he absolutely wasn't going to kill Chase worked in the context of the dead man's switch where Oliver didn't know about it yet - since then the hero's morality has a point (and a decent one - you can't take the murder back).
But then they go and undermine it, as they have done repeatedly this season, by not having that have any advantage whatsoever to the hero (and also, again, powering that primarily with stupidity - how the fuck does Chase have a gun still?). So in the finale of the season, you totally undermine your primary theme.
And all of this becomes a real problem when you have villain's who won't shut the fuck up, but don't really feel like they earn their victories. If you're not going to have a give and take in fortunes in the plot, then the villain better have something interesting to say or the heroes better be a lot more willing to call him on his BS.
EDIT: Basically, the whole season said "Oliver is a killer" while making a really good argument that Oliver should just kill everyone, or let Slade do it.
Now let's see if they can get Caity Lotz on there.