Well then, this episode was a surprising step in the right direction.
I seriously did not care about Diggle's DRUGS ARE BAD plotline. Like, at all. So I'm super happy that it's all but done now, since he not only has come out to his wife and the team, most-to-all the drugs are destroyed, AND Curtis offered to fix his arm. Still want Canary to take over the team though. Even if she still has a soft spot for Vigilante.
Dragon's intro wasn't bad, and The Slade and Oliver Fun Time Hour was entertaining, if a bit overwrought.
What was Canary holding in her hand at the end there?
Well then, this episode was a surprising step in the right direction.
I seriously did not care about Diggle's DRUGS ARE BAD plotline. Like, at all. So I'm super happy that it's all but done now, since he not only has come out to his wife and the team, most-to-all the drugs are destroyed, AND Curtis offered to fix his arm. Still want Canary to take over the team though. Even if she still has a soft spot for Vigilante.
Dragon's intro wasn't bad, and The Slade and Oliver Fun Time Hour was entertaining, if a bit overwrought.
What was Canary holding in her hand at the end there?
The matchbox thing that Vigilante left for her at the end of the previous episode. Because Dinah's arc this season is Diggle's in S4, I guess?
Colton Haynes is returning to Star City once again, reprising his role as Roy Harper — a.k.a. Arsenal — for an arc beginning with the sixth season’s 15th episode.
“We’re thrilled to announce that Colton Haynes will be reprising his role as Roy Harper for a short arc on ‘Arrow’ this year,” executive producers Marc Guggenheim and Wendy Mericle said in a statement, adding that the reason Roy returns when he does is to “help resolve an urgent matter with high stakes for the team.”
Although his visit will be “short,” it will turning into “something surprising when he reunites with Thea [Willa Holland] and sparks a change in both of their lives that will have long-lasting consequences.”
Haynes first appeared as a recurring star during “Arrow’s” debut season before becoming a series regular for Seasons 2 and 3, training under Oliver (Stephen Amell) to become the Red Arrow and later Arsenal. Roy took the fall as the Hood during the third season when Oliver was being outed as the vigilante — a storyline the show is covering again now in Season 6. He previously returned during the fourth season for a single episode.
Haynes has kept plenty busy since leaving Star City. He recently appeared in “American Horror Story: Cult” and returned to “Teen Wolf” during the show’s final season. His film career has also been growing. He starred opposite Scarlett Johansson and Kate McKinnon in “Rough Night” earlier this year.
“Arrow” returns to the CW on Jan. 18.
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I think the Angel comparisons are stretching just a tad. I love Black Driver but he falls far short of the greatness that is Wesley Wyndam Pryce. Same goes for Thea/Fred. Wild Dog/Gunnis a pretty good comparison though. As is William/Connor (hah)
Don’t get me started on Cordy/Felicity though. That one wont hold up in court.
Re the Roy news: he’s totally taking Thea with him isn’t he
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Holy shit is this version of Ragman bland and boring. You'd think someone who was at the heart of a nuclear fire that scorched to ash everyone he ever knew might be more complex.
Holy shit is this version of Ragman bland and boring. You'd think someone who was at the heart of a nuclear fire that scorched to ash everyone he ever knew might be more complex.
It's been said that he's only there to absolve Felicity of Havenrock, not actually meaningfully contribute to the story.
I started last year and I really liked the first two seasons, I loved how actually tortured Oliver was coming back from the Island. The later seasons have shit on a lot of that, showing how much time he spends off the island, the whole Bratva thing was really boring, as was the entire subplot involving finding (season 4)
Dharke's idol
on the island, the original concept of him having just survived on the island was more interesting, even throwing in the League of Shadows stuff.
And having just finished season 5 it's becoming a bit of a slog to get through with how often Oliver does actually fail the city. And the reveal of Prometheus' identity, (season 5)
was a huge letdown and what I've learned is Vigilante's identity sounds like a huge waste as well. The Prometheus thing in particular seems like a last minute thing because that baby picture sure looked African American and I'd swear that was Michael Dorn's voice for Prometheus in mask.
I started last year and I really liked the first two seasons, I loved how actually tortured Oliver was coming back from the Island. The later seasons have shit on a lot of that, showing how much time he spends off the island, the whole Bratva thing was really boring, as was the entire subplot involving finding (season 4)
Dharke's idol
on the island, the original concept of him having just survived on the island was more interesting, even throwing in the League of Shadows stuff.
And having just finished season 5 it's becoming a bit of a slog to get through with how often Oliver does actually fail the city. And the reveal of Prometheus' identity, (season 5)
was a huge letdown and what I've learned is Vigilante's identity sounds like a huge waste as well. The Prometheus thing in particular seems like a last minute thing because that baby picture sure looked African American and I'd swear that was Michael Dorn's voice for Prometheus in mask.
No one would have expected Worf, now Team Arrow has to find the Enterprise.
Holy shit is this version of Ragman bland and boring. You'd think someone who was at the heart of a nuclear fire that scorched to ash everyone he ever knew might be more complex.
It's been said that he's only there to absolve Felicity of Havenrock, not actually meaningfully contribute to the story.
Which is a shame cause he could've been far more.
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TBH I couldn't care less for any of the new characters. They don't seem to have any reason to exist except as a crutch for the writers' room to create random new story lines.
Canary is good when she’s not being an emo secret keeper, and remembers she has an attitude and stuff. For all their work on women empowerment in Arrowverse, she sure turned into a hot mess the moment her ex showed up.
Wild Dog is the best and if anyone talks down on Hoss I’ll fight them.
@Sorce pretty much bang on calling Curtis as Also Felicity, except she at least had two seasons of goodwill behind her before she got insufferable. Curtis came in during Arrow’s worst season and somehow wasn’t jettisoned with everything else that didn’t work in season 5.
"Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination."
Not gonna read the entire thread because I'm only on season 4 thus far. Been watching Flash/Arrow alternatively and Just finished Arrow's 11:59 episode and...
There is no way Laurel Lance stays dead. For one, nobody ever seems to stay dead long on this show. And two, there was that moment where Laurel said something to Oliver but we don't get to hear it. Next thing you know she's crashing. I don't think it was anything important though because there's no way Oliver should go along with a fake out death.
She'll come back for sure. Maybe not as the same person, but she'll be back. I'd be shocked if I'm wrong.
A Flash question as well...
In the scene where Oliver is at Laurel's grave, Barry shows up. When he leaves, he zips away at super speed. But in the episodes prior, he lost his speed and hadn't regained it. Continuity error or some weird timing difference between the shows? I always assume they run in the same time period.
I did find an online episode order guide and it's usually Flash/Arrow although there was a one-time swap around this point.
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Ugh. I knew it. Let’s see what silliness they use to explain this one. Hopefully it will be plausible.
Also, can we please put the hero trope of not telling your friends a secret to rest. It’s so pointless and dumb after a while. How many times can we have this conversation:
“Don’t keep secrets from us Oliver.”
“You’re right guys. I won’t.”
*withholds info in next episode*
Guess we’d have boring episodes though if everyone was open and honest about everything.
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Arrow and Flash both suffer from the secrets and lies silliness that plagued Smallville.
Arrow and Flash both suffer from the secrets and lies silliness that plagued Smallville.
Incidentally, I thought Legends might be coming down with a case of that based on the episode before last. But then, nope, next episode the beans are spilled and everyone involved just kind of shrugs and moves on. It was great.
Ah, it stinks, it sucks, it's anthropologically unjust
Arrow and Flash both suffer from the secrets and lies silliness that plagued Smallville.
Incidentally, I thought Legends might be coming down with a case of that based on the episode before last. But then, nope, next episode the beans are spilled and everyone involved just kind of shrugs and moves on. It was great.
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I loved how Sarah was all "Well, yeah, duh you should kill me. Also, you're gonna need some fucking help."
Arrow and Flash both suffer from the secrets and lies silliness that plagued Smallville.
Incidentally, I thought Legends might be coming down with a case of that based on the episode before last. But then, nope, next episode the beans are spilled and everyone involved just kind of shrugs and moves on. It was great.
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I loved how Sarah was all "Well, yeah, duh you should kill me. Also, you're gonna need some fucking help."
So, I think I am getting close to being done. The entire team vs team arc has been absurd, and this latest episode has just made it infuriating.
The JV squad knowingly caused the city to go bankrupt by refusing to be adults and make a lesser of two evils choice, started the fight in this last episode, then got angry when they lost.
"Oh no, Oliver hurt Rene. Oliver sucks! This is why we hate you!"
RENE WAS SWINGING A FUCKING AXE AT HIM. WITH INTENT.
He's lucky Oliver didn't just end him outright, at that point. Based on past examples.
This writing has gotten beyond terrible. I am really hoping they pull out of it, because if not I think the end may be near.
Btw, that bit about moving him out of the hospital? That's because it's about to shut down because of you idiots, and it won't be able to provide care to anyone. But let's self-involve on this here bench and not worry about it.
All of this is in complete contradiction with who these characters have been until someone decided team vs team was a good idea.
I enjoy Black Lightning, but I could do without every white person being a horribly racist character. The ASA agent can hate metas, but they specifically have him say he's going to put a hit on on his "black ass". Gambi isn't racist, but he's still underhanded.
I alternate watching Flash and Arrow during my elliptical workout. Started Flash s3 yesterday and Arrow s5 tomorrow. I’m ready for some off-the-wall shit to happen.
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I alternate watching Flash and Arrow during my elliptical workout. Started Flash s3 yesterday and Arrow s5 tomorrow. I’m ready for some off-the-wall shit to happen.
Flash season 3 is an experiment in misery. Bail if it gets to be too much.
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Make it Supernatural, but they hunt down Z-list DC villains and organized crime.
What was Canary holding in her hand at the end there?
Uhm Wild Dog is Gunn. Digg is Wesley.
...wait is Digg Cordy?
...Curtis is Lorne.
Entertainment Weekly did this comparison years ago
http://community.ew.com/2015/02/20/comparison-angel-versus-arrow/
It's outdated though since it only goes up to season 3 or 4.
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I was actually pretty surprised they managed to keep it in, so that's a great story.
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Don’t get me started on Cordy/Felicity though. That one wont hold up in court.
Re the Roy news: he’s totally taking Thea with him isn’t he
Arrow and Flash are what I wanted the DCCU to be.
And having just finished season 5 it's becoming a bit of a slog to get through with how often Oliver does actually fail the city. And the reveal of Prometheus' identity, (season 5)
(Arrow and Flash spoilers)
Well, assuming Felicity only stayed behind the computer desk, I guess.
Wild Dog is the best and if anyone talks down on Hoss I’ll fight them.
@Sorce pretty much bang on calling Curtis as Also Felicity, except she at least had two seasons of goodwill behind her before she got insufferable. Curtis came in during Arrow’s worst season and somehow wasn’t jettisoned with everything else that didn’t work in season 5.
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Yeah he came in pretty awful, but gets an A+ in the character development department.
She'll come back for sure. Maybe not as the same person, but she'll be back. I'd be shocked if I'm wrong.
A Flash question as well...
I did find an online episode order guide and it's usually Flash/Arrow although there was a one-time swap around this point.
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Also, can we please put the hero trope of not telling your friends a secret to rest. It’s so pointless and dumb after a while. How many times can we have this conversation:
“Don’t keep secrets from us Oliver.”
“You’re right guys. I won’t.”
*withholds info in next episode*
Guess we’d have boring episodes though if everyone was open and honest about everything.
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Incidentally, I thought Legends might be coming down with a case of that based on the episode before last. But then, nope, next episode the beans are spilled and everyone involved just kind of shrugs and moves on. It was great.
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Sarah is, objectively, The Best.
The JV squad knowingly caused the city to go bankrupt by refusing to be adults and make a lesser of two evils choice, started the fight in this last episode, then got angry when they lost.
"Oh no, Oliver hurt Rene. Oliver sucks! This is why we hate you!"
RENE WAS SWINGING A FUCKING AXE AT HIM. WITH INTENT.
He's lucky Oliver didn't just end him outright, at that point. Based on past examples.
This writing has gotten beyond terrible. I am really hoping they pull out of it, because if not I think the end may be near.
Btw, that bit about moving him out of the hospital? That's because it's about to shut down because of you idiots, and it won't be able to provide care to anyone. But let's self-involve on this here bench and not worry about it.
All of this is in complete contradiction with who these characters have been until someone decided team vs team was a good idea.
They just screwed the pooch about every way you can, apparently.
Not really an excuse for it, in a world where Young Justice exists.
I mean, I look like a bowling pin. But Colton Hayes was so facially thin even a few pounds and he looks like a different person.
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Flash season 3 is an experiment in misery. Bail if it gets to be too much.
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Season 4 (finally) has your back!