Hnnngghh Sylvanas is FANTASTIC. Everything I hoped for and more. I build her like an Assassin:
Level 1- I grab increased range on Q. I tried lower cooldown on W, but found that I was really missing the range increase on my Q too much.
Level 4- Envenom all day erry day.
Level 7- Really, really liking the heal on W. Toss it out in a team fight or on a minion wave and watch the healing come in. There might be merit to taking Follow Through given how her Q works, but idk.
Level 10- Wailing Arrow all day erry day again.
Level 13- Not sure on this one yet. Trait slowing enemy Heroes seems decent, but 2nd Q shot is probably better. Especially in team fights.
Level 16- Torn between Blood for Blood and 25% damage amp on her W. BfB is great burst, everyone knows it's good. But her W will spread 25% damage amp to everyone in the team fight, as well as mercs and minion waves. Range decrease kind of sucks, but the benefits far outweigh it.
Level 20- Bolt if you really need the mobility, otherwise upgrade Wailing Arrow.
God, she's good. Her W is nuts.
She seems like she's very versatile. Her Q recharging shots on its own as opposed to only doing so with kills like it sounded like at times mitigates one of the concerns I had. And her trait combos very well with her high attack speed.
Sylvanas bundle is only $13.18 because her skin isn't a ten-dollar one (which I guess is fair since it's basically a color swap with the post effects from her voice work removed)
Though the changes aren't major, there's definitely quite a lot more going on there than just a color swap.
And even still, the TLV bundle was also $13.18 because the Pajama Party skin is also not a $10 skin. Just a color swap, too?
Yes, this. And to compensate for her Q not costing mana, her W and E are pretty expensive (75ish?).
More dicking around with Sylv today, I DEFINITELY like damage amp on her W and double Q. Open with W in a team fight, spam Q, watch two targets get chunked for half their health.
Also the Sylvanas mirror is funny. Much like the Valla mirror, whoever uses their E first loses.
So let's talk Team League. I've been playing a ton lately and don't mind paying up for a Specialist team. (I'd also like to play on a normal team, but someone else should make that one!)
From what I've seen, we've got:
Myself
MMMig
So It Goes
SeGaTai
Invictus
Cirira
I have a few of you on my friends list already, but those of you who don't can just add me (Veritas#1169), and I can invite you as well.
Let's get with the sieging and shenanigans! I don't think this should be very serious. I guess if there are way more than 9 people wanting to play, we'll just have to limit it to whoever is around the most.
I would enjoy an all-specialist team, but if it's full that's fine. I would definitely like to be part of another normal PA team, though. There was a group at one point getting arranged, don't remember what happened to it...
I imagine we'll need several PA teams, to be honest :P
Tyrande changes push her towards the CDR Battle Mastery build, so keep that in mind when playing her now
What build is this?
I ask as I'm not an avid Tyrande player.
Utilizes the CD reduction on hitting owl and Battle Momentum to rapidly spit out heals and stuns
Empower at 1 and Battle Momentum at 7 are the only build keystones, especially because the talent rejigger makes a lot of desirable talents compete against each other
Is there any news on when this is coming out of Beta? It sounds like it could be a blast, but I don't want to play it until its done/ watch all progress get wiped.
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Yeah, getting to drain two ammo with high attack speed and the ability to paralyze towers is pretty solid, or at least it actually does what you'd expect demolitionist to do (run out the ammo), when most specialists will kill the tower before demolitionist matters. Since she can just burn the ammo at level 1, she just needs to consistently push hard after that, which is probably where she's weakest.
I would enjoy an all-specialist team, but if it's full that's fine. I would definitely like to be part of another normal PA team, though. There was a group at one point getting arranged, don't remember what happened to it...
I imagine we'll need several PA teams, to be honest :P
Should I just go ahead and start a normal team? Or does somebody else want to? If nobody else volunteers by tonight I'll do it, just don't want to spend the gold and have nobody join.
Is there any news on when this is coming out of Beta? It sounds like it could be a blast, but I don't want to play it until its done/ watch all progress get wiped.
Is there any news on when this is coming out of Beta? It sounds like it could be a blast, but I don't want to play it until its done/ watch all progress get wiped.
No information on when Heroes comes out of Beta, or even goes into Open Beta.
BUT.
There are no account wipes happening in the future. There was one final account wipe back in Tech Alpha, at which point they said no more would be happening. If you want to start playing it, start now. You'll get a leg up on those who start in Open Beta or even Launch.
Also the game itself is pretty much done already, as far as playing it goes. There's a lot of like, under the hood stuff that's being improved from patch to patch, optimization/stability/UI crap and what not. But the game itself is pretty much what it'll be when it launches.
zagara can do this already and hammer/azmo can just blow them up in similar amounts of time if you leave them alone, so it's not super surprising.
I was thinking of poking around with an overflowing light tyrande build, it can get to be really high values of heal on a pretty short cooldown now. have to give up sprint, but if the other team doesn't have a ton of pursuit, it seems much easier to keep active and makes her heal really big now. like near-holy light levels.
Is there any news on when this is coming out of Beta? It sounds like it could be a blast, but I don't want to play it until its done/ watch all progress get wiped.
It's in beta the same way everything is in beta now: it's just released early while the UI is still shitty and there are still enough bugs or features missing they'd feel likely to get slammed for calling it a full release. No wipes will occur.
zagara can do this already and hammer/azmo can just blow them up in similar amounts of time if you leave them alone, so it's not super surprising.
I was thinking of poking around with an overflowing light tyrande build, it can get to be really high values of heal on a pretty short cooldown now. have to give up sprint, but if the other team doesn't have a ton of pursuit, it seems much easier to keep active and makes her heal really big now. like near-holy light levels.
Nobody can do that; nobody can reliably and instantly eat up all tower ammo at any time for no cost. Zagara destroying tower ammo is much slower, even if you take demolitionist, and she can still be targeted by the towers and reduces ammo slower (since both her and the tower fire slower than Sylvanas's two per hit).
I don't know if it actually matters much, because tower ammo isn't a huge deal except for stopping AFK/wave based pushers (maybe run Sylvanas as a rotating hero in the all specialist team?), but she's certainly head and shoulders above anybody else in terms of destroying tower ammo, especially because she's perfectly safe when doing it, since she has the longest ranged escape in the game and the towers won't actually hit her.
EDIT: Also, I think there's either a display bug or an actual bug; I just played a match and gained two account levels, to reach level three, and was gold I got 1000 gold. I'm also still level 40. Interesting.
I would enjoy an all-specialist team, but if it's full that's fine. I would definitely like to be part of another normal PA team, though. There was a group at one point getting arranged, don't remember what happened to it...
I imagine we'll need several PA teams, to be honest :P
Should I just go ahead and start a normal team? Or does somebody else want to? If nobody else volunteers by tonight I'll do it, just don't want to spend the gold and have nobody join.
1) Although I definitely want to join a team, I can't actually play any Team League this week. I have a friend in who's only level ~30
2) I expect you don't have to worry about people joining. We probably have enough interest for 3 or so teams eventually? I'd join yours!
3) Just as a personal note.... Although the PA community on HotS is generally very good, no community has perfect members. But I really have no interest in being part of a team where negativity is at all common. I hope everyone understands that
So let's talk Team League. I've been playing a ton lately and don't mind paying up for a Specialist team. (I'd also like to play on a normal team, but someone else should make that one!)
From what I've seen, we've got:
Myself
MMMig
So It Goes
SeGaTai
Invictus
Cirira
I have a few of you on my friends list already, but those of you who don't can just add me (Veritas#1169), and I can invite you as well.
Let's get with the sieging and shenanigans! I don't think this should be very serious. I guess if there are way more than 9 people wanting to play, we'll just have to limit it to whoever is around the most.
The game needs to fill a lot of holes in the roster first (Diablo support, Starcraft Warrior, and maybe more than just one of these so they won't be living in the free rotation)
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The game needs to fill a lot of holes in the roster first (Diablo support, Starcraft Warrior, and maybe more than just one of these so they won't be living in the free rotation)
I'm surprised they don't have a StarCraft Warrior yet. Seems like a bunch of Protoss could fit that role, but they have focused on the squishy ones thus far (high/dark templar). Maybe they'll add someone from Legacy of the Void. Or just do Fenix in the Dragoon :P
IIRC, I thought blizzard said they didn't care about filling the holes in the roster for double daily options.
I thought it was the opposite - not that it was a priority or anything, but an acknowledgement that those holes exist and they should try to fill them.
I'm betting they're waiting for Legacy of the Void. Seems like they could have some pre-order tie ins. Games company's love that stuff.
God I wish I were remotely capable of playing and thus enjoying Starcraft. I can tell it's very well done but I just can't cope with RTS games. Even on easy, I fail missions repeatedly.
Sylvanas might be OP might be the first hero where none of their talents are duds. There might eventually be "one best" build, but I'm not seeing anything glaringly useless like every other hero.
Sylvanas might be OP might be the first hero where none of their talents are duds. There might eventually be "one best" build, but I'm not seeing anything glaringly useless like every other hero.
I thought Jaina was ok, and some of the revamps like Li Li have been much better. Thrall is still a trainwreck though, and TLV seem to have one build with a few tweaks.
TBH Jaina would have a really good talent tree if she wasn't forced into 2 defensive talents just to not instantly immolate when imitated on in fights.
They need to buff other talents, nerf the fuck out of their skills and make them baseline with talent restoring original functionality. They really really aren't fun if you try going for a skill-less build.
They need to buff other talents, nerf the fuck out of their skills and make them baseline with talent restoring original functionality. They really really aren't fun if you try going for a skill-less build.
Yeah, TLV have... I guess Tier 1 has a couple options? Everything else is honestly pretty static.
Illidan is pretty rigid as well, except that you've got dealers pick of ults, level 20 talents, and you can make an argument for Stoneskin if their highest HP hero is Malfurion.
Sylvanas seems pretty strong at present, but I can't really get a great feel for her damage, except that she's really annoying in lane.
EDIT: Also, I don't think there's really a way to make TLV not massively overpowered if they had their skills default, at least not without nerfing the hell out of their survivability or giving them metagame tweaks like making them count as a full hero death each (or half, or three quarters).
I'm betting they're waiting for Legacy of the Void. Seems like they could have some pre-order tie ins. Games company's love that stuff.
God I wish I were remotely capable of playing and thus enjoying Starcraft. I can tell it's very well done but I just can't cope with RTS games. Even on easy, I fail missions repeatedly.
And then you see people like Artosis playing and your soul is just ended.
Illidan is pretty rigid as well, except that you've got dealers pick of ults, level 20 talents, and you can make an argument for Stoneskin if their highest HP hero is Malfurion.
Nah, Illidan is more fluid comparatively. Sure, there are a bunch of crap talents but IMO, there's definitely a choice depending on the enemy team comp: Lvl 1(shadow shield vs seasoned marksman), Lvl 13(Giant Killer vs Sixth Sense), Lvl 16(BfB or Stone Shield), Lvl 20. Both his ults are viable too.
Its hard to even make that kind of choice for the majority of the other heroes. I've only really strayed from one build on a small number of heroes and most of them are support
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She seems like she's very versatile. Her Q recharging shots on its own as opposed to only doing so with kills like it sounded like at times mitigates one of the concerns I had. And her trait combos very well with her high attack speed.
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Though the changes aren't major, there's definitely quite a lot more going on there than just a color swap.
And even still, the TLV bundle was also $13.18 because the Pajama Party skin is also not a $10 skin. Just a color swap, too?
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She does, but only for her W and E.
Yes, this. And to compensate for her Q not costing mana, her W and E are pretty expensive (75ish?).
More dicking around with Sylv today, I DEFINITELY like damage amp on her W and double Q. Open with W in a team fight, spam Q, watch two targets get chunked for half their health.
Also the Sylvanas mirror is funny. Much like the Valla mirror, whoever uses their E first loses.
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Can anyone ingame post pictures of the other two sylvanus main skin tints? just curious.
Also me (BLUDGEON).
What build is this?
I ask as I'm not an avid Tyrande player.
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I imagine we'll need several PA teams, to be honest :P
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you have to select it from the mount options
Utilizes the CD reduction on hitting owl and Battle Momentum to rapidly spit out heals and stuns
Empower at 1 and Battle Momentum at 7 are the only build keystones, especially because the talent rejigger makes a lot of desirable talents compete against each other
wow.
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Should I just go ahead and start a normal team? Or does somebody else want to? If nobody else volunteers by tonight I'll do it, just don't want to spend the gold and have nobody join.
There are no more account wipes coming.
That's been confirmed.
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No information on when Heroes comes out of Beta, or even goes into Open Beta.
BUT.
There are no account wipes happening in the future. There was one final account wipe back in Tech Alpha, at which point they said no more would be happening. If you want to start playing it, start now. You'll get a leg up on those who start in Open Beta or even Launch.
Also the game itself is pretty much done already, as far as playing it goes. There's a lot of like, under the hood stuff that's being improved from patch to patch, optimization/stability/UI crap and what not. But the game itself is pretty much what it'll be when it launches.
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zagara can do this already and hammer/azmo can just blow them up in similar amounts of time if you leave them alone, so it's not super surprising.
I was thinking of poking around with an overflowing light tyrande build, it can get to be really high values of heal on a pretty short cooldown now. have to give up sprint, but if the other team doesn't have a ton of pursuit, it seems much easier to keep active and makes her heal really big now. like near-holy light levels.
It's in beta the same way everything is in beta now: it's just released early while the UI is still shitty and there are still enough bugs or features missing they'd feel likely to get slammed for calling it a full release. No wipes will occur.
Nobody can do that; nobody can reliably and instantly eat up all tower ammo at any time for no cost. Zagara destroying tower ammo is much slower, even if you take demolitionist, and she can still be targeted by the towers and reduces ammo slower (since both her and the tower fire slower than Sylvanas's two per hit).
I don't know if it actually matters much, because tower ammo isn't a huge deal except for stopping AFK/wave based pushers (maybe run Sylvanas as a rotating hero in the all specialist team?), but she's certainly head and shoulders above anybody else in terms of destroying tower ammo, especially because she's perfectly safe when doing it, since she has the longest ranged escape in the game and the towers won't actually hit her.
EDIT: Also, I think there's either a display bug or an actual bug; I just played a match and gained two account levels, to reach level three, and was gold I got 1000 gold. I'm also still level 40. Interesting.
1) Although I definitely want to join a team, I can't actually play any Team League this week. I have a friend in who's only level ~30
2) I expect you don't have to worry about people joining. We probably have enough interest for 3 or so teams eventually? I'd join yours!
3) Just as a personal note.... Although the PA community on HotS is generally very good, no community has perfect members. But I really have no interest in being part of a team where negativity is at all common. I hope everyone understands that
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This (BLUDGEON) and I are down down as well.
I'm surprised they don't have a StarCraft Warrior yet. Seems like a bunch of Protoss could fit that role, but they have focused on the squishy ones thus far (high/dark templar). Maybe they'll add someone from Legacy of the Void. Or just do Fenix in the Dragoon :P
I thought it was the opposite - not that it was a priority or anything, but an acknowledgement that those holes exist and they should try to fill them.
God I wish I were remotely capable of playing and thus enjoying Starcraft. I can tell it's very well done but I just can't cope with RTS games. Even on easy, I fail missions repeatedly.
I thought Jaina was ok, and some of the revamps like Li Li have been much better. Thrall is still a trainwreck though, and TLV seem to have one build with a few tweaks.
TBH Jaina would have a really good talent tree if she wasn't forced into 2 defensive talents just to not instantly immolate when imitated on in fights.
They need to buff other talents, nerf the fuck out of their skills and make them baseline with talent restoring original functionality. They really really aren't fun if you try going for a skill-less build.
Yeah, TLV have... I guess Tier 1 has a couple options? Everything else is honestly pretty static.
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Sylvanas seems pretty strong at present, but I can't really get a great feel for her damage, except that she's really annoying in lane.
EDIT: Also, I don't think there's really a way to make TLV not massively overpowered if they had their skills default, at least not without nerfing the hell out of their survivability or giving them metagame tweaks like making them count as a full hero death each (or half, or three quarters).
yikes
And then you see people like Artosis playing and your soul is just ended.
Nah, Illidan is more fluid comparatively. Sure, there are a bunch of crap talents but IMO, there's definitely a choice depending on the enemy team comp: Lvl 1(shadow shield vs seasoned marksman), Lvl 13(Giant Killer vs Sixth Sense), Lvl 16(BfB or Stone Shield), Lvl 20. Both his ults are viable too.
Its hard to even make that kind of choice for the majority of the other heroes. I've only really strayed from one build on a small number of heroes and most of them are support
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