Yay... After weeks without any issues, crashes or otherwise, I ran into several glitches at Kodlak's farewell do - first the game wouldn't continue with the weenie roast, then it wouldn't give me the relevant quest tasks, so I had to resort to console jiggery pokery. Added to which, I've suddenly got intermittent freezes for a couple of seconds. Haven't yet restarted the game, so I'm hoping that those will be gone soon, or that they're linked to this quest and once it's over that's it, but it would definitely suck if this was a constant now. Meh.
"Nothing is gonna save us forever but a lot of things can save us today." - Night in the Woods
Yay... After weeks without any issues, crashes or otherwise, I ran into several glitches at Kodlak's farewell do - first the game wouldn't continue with the weenie roast, then it wouldn't give me the relevant quest tasks, so I had to resort to console jiggery pokery. Added to which, I've suddenly got intermittent freezes for a couple of seconds. Haven't yet restarted the game, so I'm hoping that those will be gone soon, or that they're linked to this quest and once it's over that's it, but it would definitely suck if this was a constant now. Meh.
That's strange, I'm assuming you're using the unofficial patch mod, which is supposed to fix the bug where
Kodlak's funeral
doesn't fire off.
I don't use it, so the funeral won't fire off for me. The workaround is to console resurrect
Skjor
when you come across his corpse in your first mission after becoming a
I'm indeed using the unofficial patch, so I don't know what's going on. I've forwarded to a later stage of the quest using the console, but it's mostly the weird freezing issue that worries me. I don't know if it's connected to the quest, or whether it was a weird hiccup this morning that will be magically resolved next time I start the game. Will have to see when I get home...
"Nothing is gonna save us forever but a lot of things can save us today." - Night in the Woods
It's possible - but the weird thing is that this never happened until this morning, and I haven't installed any new mods in a week or two. The game went from no freezes whatsoever to freezes lasting several seconds every couple of minutes.
"Nothing is gonna save us forever but a lot of things can save us today." - Night in the Woods
Yeah there is a mod for that. I've never tried it.
I've always had a hard time getting into content mods like that. Adding weapons and armor? Changing spells around? Awesome. But when they start building new areas I just can't shake the feeling of just reading fan fiction, even when they're heavily supported by the lore.
Yeah there is a mod for that. I've never tried it.
I've always had a hard time getting into content mods like that. Adding weapons and armor? Changing spells around? Awesome. But when they start building new areas I just can't shake the feeling of just reading fan fiction, even when they're heavily supported by the lore.
Yeah that's not the kind of mod I'm into. I prefer to stick with the content in the game as designed, and use mods to tweak nuts and bolts of the game.
It doesn't help that the vast majority of that stuff has poor writing and/or acting. Even a lot of the mods people say are good (looking at you, Moonpath to Elsweyr).
Yeah there is a mod for that. I've never tried it.
I've always had a hard time getting into content mods like that. Adding weapons and armor? Changing spells around? Awesome. But when they start building new areas I just can't shake the feeling of just reading fan fiction, even when they're heavily supported by the lore.
Yeah that's not the kind of mod I'm into. I prefer to stick with the content in the game as designed, and use mods to tweak nuts and bolts of the game.
You can say Moonpath to Elsweyr is crap, and I would not disagree. Trying it like once or twice myself.
Most fan-made stuff is crap, I agree.
However, saying that they're all crap is bunk.
Interesting NPCs, I argue, disproves that. So good. And very well written. And mostly well voice acted.
Interesting NPCs is legitimately better than any of the vanilla content. Helgen Reborn is pretty comparable to vanilla, outside of some poor voicing for minor characters. I actually enjoyed it.
Of what I've played or seen, those are the only two major quest mods I'd really defend, though, at least until I get around to trying The Wheels of Lull or Beyond Skyrim: Bruma comes out. Granted, my experience with quest mods is pretty limited. Moonpath has some wonderful design to the environments and nothing else. Falskaar is impressive to have been made almost entirely by one guy, but is otherwise not worth the time.
Now, if we're talking about pure city expansions? I'm going to be knee deep in those next playthrough, and I've got a list of 30 or so that look awesome and develop the world beyond the technical restrictions of the PS3 and 360 in ways that I'm very excited about.
Interesting NPCs is uneven, though. It badly needs an editing job, cutting the text down to half of what's there. Right now the quality suffers from the sheer quantity, making the Interesting characters less credible at times (too much logorrhea) and from the mod's tendency to go for hit-and-miss quirk.
Have you removed mods and kept playing the same save file? Sometimes it takes awhile for problems caused by that to become noticeable.
Nope, I haven't removed any mods in weeks - but there's one thing I changed just before the freezing problem started: I updated to the latest version of the Mod Organizer. I don't see how that could cause the problem, though, unless it changed something about how the game is launched. Possibly something to do with the Script Extender? The freezes happen fairly often, but it's not a complete freeze: the music continues, for instance. Auto-saves also seem to prompt the freezes, e.g. when I enter a city.
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"Nothing is gonna save us forever but a lot of things can save us today." - Night in the Woods
You can say Moonpath to Elsweyr is crap, and I would not disagree. Trying it like once or twice myself.
Most fan-made stuff is crap, I agree.
However, saying that they're all crap is bunk.
Interesting NPCs, I argue, disproves that. So good. And very well written. And mostly well voice acted.
Interesting NPCs is legitimately better than any of the vanilla content. Helgen Reborn is pretty comparable to vanilla, outside of some poor voicing for minor characters. I actually enjoyed it.
Of what I've played or seen, those are the only two major quest mods I'd really defend, though, at least until I get around to trying The Wheels of Lull or Beyond Skyrim: Bruma comes out. Granted, my experience with quest mods is pretty limited. Moonpath has some wonderful design to the environments and nothing else. Falskaar is impressive to have been made almost entirely by one guy, but is otherwise not worth the time.
Now, if we're talking about pure city expansions? I'm going to be knee deep in those next playthrough, and I've got a list of 30 or so that look awesome and develop the world beyond the technical restrictions of the PS3 and 360 in ways that I'm very excited about.
Are you talking about making the cities more beautiful, like Whiterun?
Remember my post about the sudden freezes? Well, the plot thickens: saving and loading take much longer - and here's the best bit: my recent savegames are all around 200-250MB. I have previous saves, but they're ancient, and they're around 5-10MB.
Is there any way I can find out what the problem is? Is there any point in deactivating and then reactivating all mods? What kind of problems might the latter cause? I'm kinda stuck here, since I want to finish the game, but in its current state it's more pain than fun.
"Nothing is gonna save us forever but a lot of things can save us today." - Night in the Woods
Remember my post about the sudden freezes? Well, the plot thickens: saving and loading take much longer - and here's the best bit: my recent savegames are all around 200-250MB. I have previous saves, but they're ancient, and they're around 5-10MB.
Is there any way I can find out what the problem is? Is there any point in deactivating and then reactivating all mods? What kind of problems might the latter cause? I'm kinda stuck here, since I want to finish the game, but in its current state it's more pain than fun.
Have you uninstalled any mods since you started playing? Do you still have autosave active?
The easiest thing to try is to go into a small interior space and wait for 30 days. If that doesn't work you may have to look into a save or script cleaner. I think SKSE has one built in but I've never used it.
I do have autosave active indeed; should I deactivate it? To be honest, I can't remember if I uninstalled any mods recently.
Will try the 30-day wait. If any of the people reading the thread have any tips, e.g. re: script/save cleaners, I'd much appreciate hearing them.
It's generally recommended that you should. I know it can cause problems in the long haul but you save files are pretty big; I don't think the autosave alone would cause it.
Especially since the whole thing literally happened overnight. I went from no issues whatsoever to regular freezes, ultra-long loading times and massive savegames for no apparent reason. :-/
Edit: Okay, some more info. I've just downloaded Save Game Cleaner, and in those saves I've got several 100'000s of references and active scripts linked to SneakToolsMaskSurroundingsScript. In between the game working normally and suddenly screwing up, I did join the Brotherhood and get the outfit, and when wearing the Brotherhood's mask/cowl I can't talk to people due to Sneak Tools. (That's a feature, not a bug.) I'm wondering, though, if it's the combo that's been screwing with my game, and that Sneak Tools keeps amassing scripts due to this.
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"Nothing is gonna save us forever but a lot of things can save us today." - Night in the Woods
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Dr. ChaosPost nuclear nuisanceRegistered Userregular
Anybody know of a good monocle mod?
Currently plotting to role play as a gentleman orc that tanks in noble clothing. Need some good eye wear to complete the look.
If any of the people reading the thread have any tips, e.g. re: script/save cleaners, I'd much appreciate hearing them.
I think this is the current savegame cleaner? I haven't messed around with it, but there really isn't any reason not to backup your save and try it. Nothing else helpful is coming to mind at the moment.
You can say Moonpath to Elsweyr is crap, and I would not disagree. Trying it like once or twice myself.
Most fan-made stuff is crap, I agree.
However, saying that they're all crap is bunk.
Interesting NPCs, I argue, disproves that. So good. And very well written. And mostly well voice acted.
Interesting NPCs is legitimately better than any of the vanilla content. Helgen Reborn is pretty comparable to vanilla, outside of some poor voicing for minor characters. I actually enjoyed it.
Of what I've played or seen, those are the only two major quest mods I'd really defend, though, at least until I get around to trying The Wheels of Lull or Beyond Skyrim: Bruma comes out. Granted, my experience with quest mods is pretty limited. Moonpath has some wonderful design to the environments and nothing else. Falskaar is impressive to have been made almost entirely by one guy, but is otherwise not worth the time.
Now, if we're talking about pure city expansions? I'm going to be knee deep in those next playthrough, and I've got a list of 30 or so that look awesome and develop the world beyond the technical restrictions of the PS3 and 360 in ways that I'm very excited about.
Are you talking about making the cities more beautiful, like Whiterun?
Plus some other minor stuff, some stuff I'm already using (Skyrim Bridges, No Snow Under The Roof), a bunch of shop interior overhauls that I haven't really sorted through, and some other things that I've probably got in a list of bookmarks somewhere and isn't coming to mind.
I think another part of the problem is that the vast majority of writers I know do not have the skill, time, or patience to make a mod.
Like, okay, me. I have a Master of Fine Arts degree in writing, I've actually written for Wired Magazine (also EnWorld and The Escapist before the latter started to suck). I don't consider myself TEH BEZT WRITR EVAR because I'm very slow and bad at self motivation but I'm not half bad.
I have TONS of ideas for interesting mods. But then you get to the actual... stuff... and it's a combination of "holy shit what am I doing, what are all these... words that aren't words I know, or rather, words being used in ways I don't get" and "oh my god I'm not an artist" and "fuck this I have a deadline" and then also "wait, uh, I'm good at like... environment description and shit, and, like, all that is kinda... in the art direction... and little character tics like, even if I were a screenwriter the fleshy actor would be doing it, I have to like... tell this weird puppet how to run his hands through his hair when he's nervous? AND still have him like, say stuff, that's cool? At appropriate times???" AND THEN you have to be able to find a VA who is willing to do this on like, zero dollars and GOOD FUCKING LUCK
(... I'm actually not a half-bad amateur VA but I'm pretty sure a mod where I voice everyone would not go over well)
so TL;DR -- writing compelling narrative FOR GAMES is a vastly different skill than writing FOR OTHER THINGS and also both these skills are hard to come by in the first place and PROGRAMMING IS HARD GUYS
There's also a huge difference between writing narrative and writing dialogues. Even professionally written games (especially RPGs) have a tendency to be overly verbose in dialogues, going for a style where everything is exposition, exposition, exposition, and characters you've just met are happy to talk at you for minutes. Gamers usually get into that sort of stuff (possibly because genre fiction can have the same problem - quantity is mistaken for quality), so mods sometimes do the same, just twice as much and three times as long.
As far as my savegame bloat and freezes are concerned: I think I'll return to a savegame from three weeks ago, and I'll deactivate Sneak Tools since it's the likely culprit. Still annoying, and I think I'll take this opportunity to take a break from Skyrim, since replaying missions that I'd finished over hte last couple of weeks would most likely make me burn out on the game. Maybe I'll burn out on GTA V instead...
"Nothing is gonna save us forever but a lot of things can save us today." - Night in the Woods
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That's a nice list, @Monger .
Last time I tried ET&C, it just crashed and crashed and crashed. Kinda like if I run with Open Cities.
I'll take a look, but I'm so far into my current game with my mods, I kinda don't want to change anything, as tempting as it is.
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WhiteZinfandelYour insidesLet me show you themRegistered Userregular
Any tips before I start this up? I was going to go with a Redguard lady in heavy armor who uses two-handed weapons
Depends. How obsessive are you about leveling your character up efficiently? If you're like me and you can't stand the thought of putting up with the system in place, this is a godsend.
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Dr. ChaosPost nuclear nuisanceRegistered Userregular
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I really enjoy the writing in Interesting NPCs but man do they go on and on.
Every time I run into one, feels like my characters need to find a chair to park themselves in since they're going to be there awhile.
Any tips before I start this up? I was going to go with a Redguard lady in heavy armor who uses two-handed weapons
Morrowind's leveling system is built around training. This combined with a fairly broken economy means it isn't long until you can pretty easily train any skill from useless to usable. So really building your character should be about minimizing the early game annoyances. So along with your weapon and armor skills, take a ranged attack (Marksman or Destruction magic) and Athletics. Mysticism is a good magic school to take as well because it has all the fast travel spells.
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And then it got sunk to the bottom of the sea because Bethesda ran out of time to develop cities mages or something.
All right, people. It is not a gerbil. It is not a hamster. It is not a guinea pig. It is a death rabbit. Death. Rabbit. Say it with me, now.
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"Nothing is gonna save us forever but a lot of things can save us today." - Night in the Woods
That's strange, I'm assuming you're using the unofficial patch mod, which is supposed to fix the bug where
I don't use it, so the funeral won't fire off for me. The workaround is to console resurrect
"Nothing is gonna save us forever but a lot of things can save us today." - Night in the Woods
"Nothing is gonna save us forever but a lot of things can save us today." - Night in the Woods
Steam: MightyPotatoKing
I've always had a hard time getting into content mods like that. Adding weapons and armor? Changing spells around? Awesome. But when they start building new areas I just can't shake the feeling of just reading fan fiction, even when they're heavily supported by the lore.
Yeah that's not the kind of mod I'm into. I prefer to stick with the content in the game as designed, and use mods to tweak nuts and bolts of the game.
To each their own.
Steam: MightyPotatoKing
Most fan-made stuff is crap, I agree.
However, saying that they're all crap is bunk.
Interesting NPCs, I argue, disproves that. So good. And very well written. And mostly well voice acted.
heh heh, nuts and bolts
Steam Support is the worst. Seriously, the worst
Of what I've played or seen, those are the only two major quest mods I'd really defend, though, at least until I get around to trying The Wheels of Lull or Beyond Skyrim: Bruma comes out. Granted, my experience with quest mods is pretty limited. Moonpath has some wonderful design to the environments and nothing else. Falskaar is impressive to have been made almost entirely by one guy, but is otherwise not worth the time.
Now, if we're talking about pure city expansions? I'm going to be knee deep in those next playthrough, and I've got a list of 30 or so that look awesome and develop the world beyond the technical restrictions of the PS3 and 360 in ways that I'm very excited about.
All right, people. It is not a gerbil. It is not a hamster. It is not a guinea pig. It is a death rabbit. Death. Rabbit. Say it with me, now.
Also: Nope, I haven't removed any mods in weeks - but there's one thing I changed just before the freezing problem started: I updated to the latest version of the Mod Organizer. I don't see how that could cause the problem, though, unless it changed something about how the game is launched. Possibly something to do with the Script Extender? The freezes happen fairly often, but it's not a complete freeze: the music continues, for instance. Auto-saves also seem to prompt the freezes, e.g. when I enter a city.
"Nothing is gonna save us forever but a lot of things can save us today." - Night in the Woods
Are you talking about making the cities more beautiful, like Whiterun?
Because, if so, I would highly recommend it.
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16534
Unless that sword.... CAN TALK
Steam Support is the worst. Seriously, the worst
Blackjack and bare knuckle brawling against bears. Now this is my kind of mod.
Is there any way I can find out what the problem is? Is there any point in deactivating and then reactivating all mods? What kind of problems might the latter cause? I'm kinda stuck here, since I want to finish the game, but in its current state it's more pain than fun.
"Nothing is gonna save us forever but a lot of things can save us today." - Night in the Woods
Have you uninstalled any mods since you started playing? Do you still have autosave active?
The easiest thing to try is to go into a small interior space and wait for 30 days. If that doesn't work you may have to look into a save or script cleaner. I think SKSE has one built in but I've never used it.
Will try the 30-day wait. If any of the people reading the thread have any tips, e.g. re: script/save cleaners, I'd much appreciate hearing them.
"Nothing is gonna save us forever but a lot of things can save us today." - Night in the Woods
It's generally recommended that you should. I know it can cause problems in the long haul but you save files are pretty big; I don't think the autosave alone would cause it.
Edit: Okay, some more info. I've just downloaded Save Game Cleaner, and in those saves I've got several 100'000s of references and active scripts linked to SneakToolsMaskSurroundingsScript. In between the game working normally and suddenly screwing up, I did join the Brotherhood and get the outfit, and when wearing the Brotherhood's mask/cowl I can't talk to people due to Sneak Tools. (That's a feature, not a bug.) I'm wondering, though, if it's the combo that's been screwing with my game, and that Sneak Tools keeps amassing scripts due to this.
"Nothing is gonna save us forever but a lot of things can save us today." - Night in the Woods
Currently plotting to role play as a gentleman orc that tanks in noble clothing. Need some good eye wear to complete the look.
Among other things, yes.
What I'm looking at, if you're interested, is:
Expanded Towns and Cities - Mostly, it's this one. Especially now that it's integrated the otherwise dead Immersive Settlements, which I loved the direction of. It's the most terrifyingly well-organized mod on the Nexus. Jenna has the best worst case of modding OCD I've ever seen.
Skyrim Sewers 4
Immersive Laundry - Yeah, that's right. Laundry. Bitch.
Immersive Stables
Immersive Stables - Vanilla Edition
Skyrim Better Roads
-New Settlements
Legendary Cities - TES Arena - Skyrim Frontier Fortress
Forgotten Settlements (maybe)
-Whiterun
JK's Whiterun
-Markarth
JK's Markarth
Markarth Reach Environment Upgrade
-Windhelm
Dawn of Windhelm
Windhelm Exterior Altered
Windhelm Bridge Overhaul
Windhelm Lighthouse
-Solitude
Solitude Reborn
JK's Solitude
Books of Skyrim
Legacy of the Dragonborn
My Own Solitude Outskirts Improvement
Solitude Docks District
-Riften
Riften - Thief Edition
-Falkreath
ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Cities - Falkreath
Plus some other minor stuff, some stuff I'm already using (Skyrim Bridges, No Snow Under The Roof), a bunch of shop interior overhauls that I haven't really sorted through, and some other things that I've probably got in a list of bookmarks somewhere and isn't coming to mind.
All right, people. It is not a gerbil. It is not a hamster. It is not a guinea pig. It is a death rabbit. Death. Rabbit. Say it with me, now.
Like, okay, me. I have a Master of Fine Arts degree in writing, I've actually written for Wired Magazine (also EnWorld and The Escapist before the latter started to suck). I don't consider myself TEH BEZT WRITR EVAR because I'm very slow and bad at self motivation but I'm not half bad.
I have TONS of ideas for interesting mods. But then you get to the actual... stuff... and it's a combination of "holy shit what am I doing, what are all these... words that aren't words I know, or rather, words being used in ways I don't get" and "oh my god I'm not an artist" and "fuck this I have a deadline" and then also "wait, uh, I'm good at like... environment description and shit, and, like, all that is kinda... in the art direction... and little character tics like, even if I were a screenwriter the fleshy actor would be doing it, I have to like... tell this weird puppet how to run his hands through his hair when he's nervous? AND still have him like, say stuff, that's cool? At appropriate times???" AND THEN you have to be able to find a VA who is willing to do this on like, zero dollars and GOOD FUCKING LUCK
(... I'm actually not a half-bad amateur VA but I'm pretty sure a mod where I voice everyone would not go over well)
so TL;DR -- writing compelling narrative FOR GAMES is a vastly different skill than writing FOR OTHER THINGS and also both these skills are hard to come by in the first place and PROGRAMMING IS HARD GUYS
https://podcast.tidalwavegames.com/
As far as my savegame bloat and freezes are concerned: I think I'll return to a savegame from three weeks ago, and I'll deactivate Sneak Tools since it's the likely culprit. Still annoying, and I think I'll take this opportunity to take a break from Skyrim, since replaying missions that I'd finished over hte last couple of weeks would most likely make me burn out on the game. Maybe I'll burn out on GTA V instead...
"Nothing is gonna save us forever but a lot of things can save us today." - Night in the Woods
Any tips before I start this up? I was going to go with a Redguard lady in heavy armor who uses two-handed weapons
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Last time I tried ET&C, it just crashed and crashed and crashed. Kinda like if I run with Open Cities.
I'll take a look, but I'm so far into my current game with my mods, I kinda don't want to change anything, as tempting as it is.
Depends. How obsessive are you about leveling your character up efficiently? If you're like me and you can't stand the thought of putting up with the system in place, this is a godsend.
Every time I run into one, feels like my characters need to find a chair to park themselves in since they're going to be there awhile.
Morrowind's leveling system is built around training. This combined with a fairly broken economy means it isn't long until you can pretty easily train any skill from useless to usable. So really building your character should be about minimizing the early game annoyances. So along with your weapon and armor skills, take a ranged attack (Marksman or Destruction magic) and Athletics. Mysticism is a good magic school to take as well because it has all the fast travel spells.
I knew I was forgetting something.
All right, people. It is not a gerbil. It is not a hamster. It is not a guinea pig. It is a death rabbit. Death. Rabbit. Say it with me, now.
Wow, that mod is a vowel away from tradgedy.
They'd melt and then you'd have nowhere to park your boat.
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
Unless you mean ducks. But someone already added those assholes.
All right, people. It is not a gerbil. It is not a hamster. It is not a guinea pig. It is a death rabbit. Death. Rabbit. Say it with me, now.