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[Fuck The NCAA]-Aiding The Homeless Ruled Improper Benefits Edition

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    I Zimbra wrote: »
    The NCAA has blinked



    I'm curious to see how they manage to screw this up.

    50% of all earned income must be..donated...to the NCAA.

    Perpetual committee s so nothing changes.

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  • BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    From the press release.

    They can earn money "in a manner consistent with the collegiate model"

    aka, they can't earn money.

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  • PhillisherePhillishere Registered User regular
    Burtletoy wrote: »
    From the press release.

    They can earn money "in a manner consistent with the collegiate model"

    aka, they can't earn money.

    They are trying to head off future state legislation by creating a managed solution. Since those solutions don't overwrite state laws, we'll see what happens when recruiters have to compete with colleges in states where athletes can just license their likenesses.

    Give it a couple seasons of "Wow, California sure has a lot of teams in the NCAA tournament" and "Damn, why are all our best players transferring?"

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  • I ZimbraI Zimbra Registered User regular
    Burtletoy wrote: »
    From the press release.

    They can earn money "in a manner consistent with the collegiate model"

    aka, they can't earn money.

    Ah, well, nevertheless.

  • tinwhiskerstinwhiskers Registered User regular
    They threw in the towel on the "this is unconstitutional" challenge that fucking quickly.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    They were always bluffing. This was made obvious by their ridiculously over the top threats.

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  • lwt1973lwt1973 King of Thieves SyndicationRegistered User regular
    They were always bluffing. This was made obvious by their ridiculously over the top threats.

    They're still not all in of course:
    However, Smith said Tuesday that the NCAA's new rules would not follow the "California model" of a virtually unrestricted market. He said the working group would remain involved in sorting out the details of how to implement new rules and that the NCAA would likely stay involved as the group in charge of regulating future endorsement deals.

    I'm guessing it'll be that the endorsement has to jump through hoops at the NCAA so that it will still be in charge. If the NCAA wanted agents to have a college degree in order to be approved, who knows what barriers the NCAA will put up for endorsers.

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  • BronzeKoopaBronzeKoopa Registered User regular
    Saw in the headline scroll on my local news channel about a NC legislator already wanting to do a bill to tax ncaa players for making endorsement money.

  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    Saw in the headline scroll on my local news channel about a NC legislator already wanting to do a bill to tax ncaa players for making endorsement money.

    Wouldn't Income Tax cover that already?

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  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    Saw in the headline scroll on my local news channel about a NC legislator already wanting to do a bill to tax ncaa players for making endorsement money.

    Wouldn't Income Tax cover that already?

    Not regressive enough.

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  • lwt1973lwt1973 King of Thieves SyndicationRegistered User regular
    Saw in the headline scroll on my local news channel about a NC legislator already wanting to do a bill to tax ncaa players for making endorsement money.

    Wouldn't Income Tax cover that already?

    He wants to actually tax scholarships from students who take endorsements.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    lwt1973 wrote: »
    They were always bluffing. This was made obvious by their ridiculously over the top threats.

    They're still not all in of course:
    However, Smith said Tuesday that the NCAA's new rules would not follow the "California model" of a virtually unrestricted market. He said the working group would remain involved in sorting out the details of how to implement new rules and that the NCAA would likely stay involved as the group in charge of regulating future endorsement deals.

    I'm guessing it'll be that the endorsement has to jump through hoops at the NCAA so that it will still be in charge. If the NCAA wanted agents to have a college degree in order to be approved, who knows what barriers the NCAA will put up for endorsers.

    Which doesn't solve the problem, because SB 206 is law now, and will be in effect come 1/1/2021.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    lwt1973 wrote: »
    Saw in the headline scroll on my local news channel about a NC legislator already wanting to do a bill to tax ncaa players for making endorsement money.

    Wouldn't Income Tax cover that already?

    He wants to actually tax scholarships from students who take endorsements.


    As the comments point out, Burr (unsurprisingly) did not think this through. Not only would such a law be litigated into the ground (why are you taxing an athlete's scholarship, and not, say, some Instagram influencer's - it's the same thing), the NCAA would be horrified by such a law because it would mark the athlete/school relationship as that of employer/employee.

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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    edited October 30
    lwt1973 wrote: »
    Saw in the headline scroll on my local news channel about a NC legislator already wanting to do a bill to tax ncaa players for making endorsement money.

    Wouldn't Income Tax cover that already?

    He wants to actually tax scholarships from students who take endorsements.


    How is it ok to do that to if getting an endorsement but not all scholarships

    Or non-athletes with scholarships who make money being social media influencers or streamers...

    This is legit just a racist uncle hot take

    Edit: he probably wants to do this for all scholarships to change college back to rich people only again

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  • lwt1973lwt1973 King of Thieves SyndicationRegistered User regular
    lwt1973 wrote: »
    They were always bluffing. This was made obvious by their ridiculously over the top threats.

    They're still not all in of course:
    However, Smith said Tuesday that the NCAA's new rules would not follow the "California model" of a virtually unrestricted market. He said the working group would remain involved in sorting out the details of how to implement new rules and that the NCAA would likely stay involved as the group in charge of regulating future endorsement deals.

    I'm guessing it'll be that the endorsement has to jump through hoops at the NCAA so that it will still be in charge. If the NCAA wanted agents to have a college degree in order to be approved, who knows what barriers the NCAA will put up for endorsers.

    Which doesn't solve the problem, because SB 206 is law now, and will be in effect come 1/1/2021.

    2023 which is why the NCAA is rushing to try and create something so that they can ask California to revoke their law and say they have a great solution.

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  • Trajan45Trajan45 Registered User regular
    lwt1973 wrote: »
    They were always bluffing. This was made obvious by their ridiculously over the top threats.

    They're still not all in of course:
    However, Smith said Tuesday that the NCAA's new rules would not follow the "California model" of a virtually unrestricted market. He said the working group would remain involved in sorting out the details of how to implement new rules and that the NCAA would likely stay involved as the group in charge of regulating future endorsement deals.

    I'm guessing it'll be that the endorsement has to jump through hoops at the NCAA so that it will still be in charge. If the NCAA wanted agents to have a college degree in order to be approved, who knows what barriers the NCAA will put up for endorsers.

    It makes sense from their perspective. Imagine if a student athlete got an endorsement deal for the local medical marijuana dispensary or what G. Minshew had offered from a cam website? A bunch of stuffy old people might have a heart attack thinking about how that reflects upon their prestigious university (or how it would effect parents looking to enroll their kids there). The university would then have to make a decision about keeping that student athlete in their program. If the NCAA can setup who/what you can endorse, it saves all those university admins the decision since they'll just ban drugs, sex, politics, and anything else that might cause headlines around their university.

    I hope legislators keep moving forward with their bills; because #1 fuck the NCAA, but also I really want to see a university try and spin their top recruit's endorsement from Pornhub.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Trajan45 wrote: »
    lwt1973 wrote: »
    They were always bluffing. This was made obvious by their ridiculously over the top threats.

    They're still not all in of course:
    However, Smith said Tuesday that the NCAA's new rules would not follow the "California model" of a virtually unrestricted market. He said the working group would remain involved in sorting out the details of how to implement new rules and that the NCAA would likely stay involved as the group in charge of regulating future endorsement deals.

    I'm guessing it'll be that the endorsement has to jump through hoops at the NCAA so that it will still be in charge. If the NCAA wanted agents to have a college degree in order to be approved, who knows what barriers the NCAA will put up for endorsers.

    It makes sense from their perspective. Imagine if a student athlete got an endorsement deal for the local medical marijuana dispensary or what G. Minshew had offered from a cam website? A bunch of stuffy old people might have a heart attack thinking about how that reflects upon their prestigious university (or how it would effect parents looking to enroll their kids there). The university would then have to make a decision about keeping that student athlete in their program. If the NCAA can setup who/what you can endorse, it saves all those university admins the decision since they'll just ban drugs, sex, politics, and anything else that might cause headlines around their university.

    I hope legislators keep moving forward with their bills; because #1 fuck the NCAA, but also I really want to see a university try and spin their top recruit's endorsement from Pornhub.

    This is a nonsense argument, made even more so by the fact that the CA bill also allows players to retain agents. Players are aware of their public image, and are unlikely to damage it with a problematic endorsement.

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  • lwt1973lwt1973 King of Thieves SyndicationRegistered User regular
    Trajan45 wrote: »
    lwt1973 wrote: »
    They were always bluffing. This was made obvious by their ridiculously over the top threats.

    They're still not all in of course:
    However, Smith said Tuesday that the NCAA's new rules would not follow the "California model" of a virtually unrestricted market. He said the working group would remain involved in sorting out the details of how to implement new rules and that the NCAA would likely stay involved as the group in charge of regulating future endorsement deals.

    I'm guessing it'll be that the endorsement has to jump through hoops at the NCAA so that it will still be in charge. If the NCAA wanted agents to have a college degree in order to be approved, who knows what barriers the NCAA will put up for endorsers.

    It makes sense from their perspective. Imagine if a student athlete got an endorsement deal for the local medical marijuana dispensary or what G. Minshew had offered from a cam website? A bunch of stuffy old people might have a heart attack thinking about how that reflects upon their prestigious university (or how it would effect parents looking to enroll their kids there). The university would then have to make a decision about keeping that student athlete in their program. If the NCAA can setup who/what you can endorse, it saves all those university admins the decision since they'll just ban drugs, sex, politics, and anything else that might cause headlines around their university.

    I hope legislators keep moving forward with their bills; because #1 fuck the NCAA, but also I really want to see a university try and spin their top recruit's endorsement from Pornhub.

    This is a nonsense argument, made even more so by the fact that the CA bill also allows players to retain agents. Players are aware of their public image, and are unlikely to damage it with a problematic endorsement.

    Yep, which is why the NCAA is going to use it to push for their regulations.

    "Won't you think of these innocent children being swindled into taking money from Porn/Drugs/Whatever because they don't know any better? Our system would eliminate that and save those students from making a terrible terrible mistake."

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Jemele Hill lays it out bluntly - the NCAA is doing this because it doesn't have a choice:
    Before anyone gives the NCAA Board of Governors any credit for letting college athletes profit from their name, image, and likeness, people should understand this: If the NCAA is bending slightly to the popular opinion that athletes should be able to cash in, it isn’t because the organization suddenly caught a case of common sense.

    It’s because the NCAA didn’t have a choice.

    The Board of Governors of the NCAA, which oversees college sports, announced yesterday that it had voted unanimously to adjust rules that prohibited players from generating money from their own fame. But the move came only after lawmakers in several states had begun proposing or enacting legislation that gives college athletes the right to profit off their name and likeness. Last month, California Governor Gavin Newsom signed the Fair Pay to Play Act, giving college athletes the ability to earn income from endorsements and sponsorships starting in 2023. More than a dozen states reportedly are considering legislation similar to California’s.

    She also points to Katelyn Ohashi's excellent commentary about how the NCAA prevented her from being able to capitalize on her viral moment.

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  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    lwt1973 wrote: »
    lwt1973 wrote: »
    They were always bluffing. This was made obvious by their ridiculously over the top threats.

    They're still not all in of course:
    However, Smith said Tuesday that the NCAA's new rules would not follow the "California model" of a virtually unrestricted market. He said the working group would remain involved in sorting out the details of how to implement new rules and that the NCAA would likely stay involved as the group in charge of regulating future endorsement deals.

    I'm guessing it'll be that the endorsement has to jump through hoops at the NCAA so that it will still be in charge. If the NCAA wanted agents to have a college degree in order to be approved, who knows what barriers the NCAA will put up for endorsers.

    Which doesn't solve the problem, because SB 206 is law now, and will be in effect come 1/1/2021.

    2023 which is why the NCAA is rushing to try and create something so that they can ask California to revoke their law and say they have a great solution.

    There is no chance California repeals the law just because the NCAA stumbles blindly into the dim light.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    One of Ohio State's top players is benched for the crime of...borrowing money from a family friend:
    Ohio State Buckeyes defensive end Chase Young, a Heisman Trophy contender who has been the most dominant defensive player in the FBS this season, is being held out because of a potential undisclosed violation of NCAA rules, the university announced Friday.

    Young, a junior from Hyattsville, Maryland, will not play for the No. 1 Buckeyes in Saturday's game against Maryland "due to a possible NCAA issue from 2018 that the Department of Athletics is looking into," the school said in a release.

    Young tweeted Friday that he accepted a loan from a family friend and is in the process of working with Ohio State and the NCAA to be able to play again.

    It is unclear if Young will miss additional games beyond the Maryland contest. The Buckeyes have four games remaining in the regular season.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    One of Ohio State's top players is benched for the crime of...borrowing money from a family friend:
    Ohio State Buckeyes defensive end Chase Young, a Heisman Trophy contender who has been the most dominant defensive player in the FBS this season, is being held out because of a potential undisclosed violation of NCAA rules, the university announced Friday.

    Young, a junior from Hyattsville, Maryland, will not play for the No. 1 Buckeyes in Saturday's game against Maryland "due to a possible NCAA issue from 2018 that the Department of Athletics is looking into," the school said in a release.

    Young tweeted Friday that he accepted a loan from a family friend and is in the process of working with Ohio State and the NCAA to be able to play again.

    It is unclear if Young will miss additional games beyond the Maryland contest. The Buckeyes have four games remaining in the regular season.

    "Family friend" = agent.

    Not that I'd agree with the suspension if he weren't the best player in the country and on Ohio State so I would very much like him suspended for the month, thank you very much. Not on principle but on I would like to beat Ohio State again someday.

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    The NCAA is really on a roll this week.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited November 9
    I mean, if he's that good, NBA would presumably still draft him

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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    Yeah these suspensions are good for these guys

  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    There would be 'character issues' if it was footbaw.

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  • HappylilElfHappylilElf Registered User regular
    There would be 'character issues' if it was footbaw.

    Probably not if he's good enough. If he's good enough "character issues" isn't a stopping point, it's a negotiating point.

  • ElvenshaeElvenshae Registered User regular
    There would be 'character issues' if it was footbaw.

    ... points criminally at Jamie’s Winston.

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  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    QBs are treated differently anyway. Every other position is open season, though.

  • lwt1973lwt1973 King of Thieves SyndicationRegistered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    I mean, if he's that good, NBA would presumably still draft him

    A judge just temporarily put that suspension on hold for now so he played. The NCAA is a little mad over that.

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  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    If it's the same one I heard about, a booster paid for his family to move. I presume to be closer to the school.

  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    Well the NFL will love Chase Young cause he’s from a family of cops and his post-playing plan (if need be) is to be a LEO

  • Dark_SideDark_Side Registered User regular
    edited November 9
    If it's the same one I heard about, a booster paid for his family to move. I presume to be closer to the school.

    I actually feel a little bit sorry for the NCAA on this one, because it seems pretty likely there were shenanigans afoot from Hardaway, even though the NCAA calling him a booster is on shaky ground. $11.5k to move from Nashville to Memphis is pretty exorbitant. Especially since it was a move to play for traveling teams Hardaway coached. Also kind of messed up Hardaway still played him in a game the team was going to win anyway. I know it's currently en vogue to thumb your nose at the NCAA, but they could come down on the whole team over this.

    But then the NCAA goes and releases a mafia line like this one publicly:
    "The University of Memphis was notified that James Wiseman is likely ineligible. The university chose to play him and ultimately is responsible for ensuring its student-athletes are eligible to play."

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  • lwt1973lwt1973 King of Thieves SyndicationRegistered User regular
    Dark_Side wrote: »
    If it's the same one I heard about, a booster paid for his family to move. I presume to be closer to the school.

    I actually feel a little bit sorry for the NCAA on this one, because it seems pretty likely there were shenanigans afoot from Hardaway, even though the NCAA calling him a booster is on shaky ground. $11.5k to move from Nashville to Memphis is pretty exorbitant. Especially since it was a move to play for traveling teams Hardaway coached. Also kind of messed up Hardaway still played him in a game the team was going to win anyway. I know it's currently en vogue to thumb your nose at the NCAA, but they could come down on the whole team over this.

    But then the NCAA goes and releases a mafia line like this one publicly:
    "The University of Memphis was notified that James Wiseman is likely ineligible. The university chose to play him and ultimately is responsible for ensuring its student-athletes are eligible to play."

    It’s nuts. Penny donated money way back in 2007 to the school. After that he gave money in 2017 to Wiseman’s family to move as this was before Penny became coach and Wiseman was in high school. So Wiseman asked about eligibility when looking at Memphis. NCAA said in May that it was fine. Fast forward to October 31st and the NCAA changed their mind and he’s not.

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  • GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    10k to move a family isn't that ridiculous. Moving is expensive

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  • BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    Goumindong wrote: »
    10k to move a family isn't that ridiculous. Moving is expensive

    I've never used a moving company, but it cost me ~$7000 to move from Kansas City to Seattle, which is approximately 10x further than Memphis to Nashville. But that's also a two bedroom and two people, instead of a family

  • MonwynMonwyn Registered User regular
    Goumindong wrote: »
    10k to move a family isn't that ridiculous. Moving is expensive

    Memphis is a three and a half hour drive from Nashville

    Like I don't know how big the family is but that's just not 11.5k of expenses unless you're paying off the remainder of a lease you're breaking or something

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  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    Monwyn wrote: »
    Goumindong wrote: »
    10k to move a family isn't that ridiculous. Moving is expensive

    Memphis is a three and a half hour drive from Nashville

    Like I don't know how big the family is but that's just not 11.5k of expenses unless you're paying off the remainder of a lease you're breaking or something

    They probably had marble countertops and cellular telephones, too!

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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    He’s good enough to be making several times that this year but...

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