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    SkulloSkullo Registered User regular
    Parallel Quest 19 solo is some bullshit.

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    MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    At least Tien won some fights.

    What the hell is Yamcha going to teach you? How to lose to make other characters look better?

    He's a total jobber.

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    GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    There's only one master to train under. Roshi. The fucking creeper. (But his fight with Goku was real cool though.)

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    MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    Oh hey, first time running PQ16 (I hadn't bothered yet because I'm not playing a Saiyan)

    Got Super Vegeta.

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    BucketmanBucketman Call me SkraggRegistered User regular
    I do every PQ for high ranks and XP.

    Dark Hercule is kicking my ass badly.

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    T4CTT4CT BAFTA-NOMINATED NAFTA-APPROVEDRegistered User regular
    Is there a trick to getting burter to spawn in PQ 10, it happened the very first time but hasn't since and it's making it hard to farm for blue hurricane

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    WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    All that shit is random

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    THESPOOKYTHESPOOKY papa! Registered User regular
    Some things have specific conditions beyond the RNG

    I'm not sure about that PQ

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    MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    T4CT wrote: »
    Is there a trick to getting burter to spawn in PQ 10, it happened the very first time but hasn't since and it's making it hard to farm for blue hurricane

    That's the wrong PQ, you want PQ12

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    T4CTT4CT BAFTA-NOMINATED NAFTA-APPROVEDRegistered User regular
    Maddoc wrote: »
    T4CT wrote: »
    Is there a trick to getting burter to spawn in PQ 10, it happened the very first time but hasn't since and it's making it hard to farm for blue hurricane

    That's the wrong PQ, you want PQ12

    I'm definitely staring at multiple guides that say 10, maybe you just have to fight burter in general

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    MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    T4CT wrote: »
    Maddoc wrote: »
    T4CT wrote: »
    Is there a trick to getting burter to spawn in PQ 10, it happened the very first time but hasn't since and it's making it hard to farm for blue hurricane

    That's the wrong PQ, you want PQ12

    I'm definitely staring at multiple guides that say 10, maybe you just have to fight burter in general

    If you go to that PQ in the menu, and hit left or right you can see what drops from that PQ

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    T4CTT4CT BAFTA-NOMINATED NAFTA-APPROVEDRegistered User regular
    And PQ10 definitely drops blue hurricane

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    T4CTT4CT BAFTA-NOMINATED NAFTA-APPROVEDRegistered User regular
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    THESPOOKYTHESPOOKY papa! Registered User regular
    10 is definitely where you get Blue Hurricane

    The only hidden requirements are "Finish in <10 Minutes" and "Defeat Ginyu, Burter, and Jeice"

    So if Burter isn't showing up, yeah, that's strictly down to the randomness of some PQ situations

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    MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    Huh, yeah you're right, I could have sworn I got it from 12

    Anyway, the only requirement is to beat all the mooks in under ten minutes, but then it's slightly random as to whether you get the ultimate finish unfortunately, it's real dumb

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    THESPOOKYTHESPOOKY papa! Registered User regular
    edited March 2015
    The RNG in quests is a real pisser, but it's only ever REALLY screwed me on Super Vegeta

    I still don't have that shit, but no other PQ has taken me more than 3 runs to get the good stuff from.

    The thing is that all the items on a PQ's "drop list" are ACTUAL MMO DROPS, in the sense that they come from defeating a specific character. For Blue Hurricane, specifically, if you beat Burter and don't immediately get a YOU GOT A SKILL popup, you can just restart it. Another big one is getting "I...I'm OK!" from PQ 43(?) for Gohan/Videl's mentor program--you can actually just start over if defeating VIDEL doesn't give it to you, rather than going allllll the way through

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    MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    Likewise, any Z-Soul that corresponds to a line said during battle.

    Once the character says that line, if you got the item you'll get it right then, if not you can retry.

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    THESPOOKYTHESPOOKY papa! Registered User regular
    It's stuff that kind of makes sense but is never explicitly told or even implied

    Like, for Legendary Super Saiyan, the game could easily wink-nudge you in the direction of "Hey, maaaaybe these Z-Fighters should lose in canonical order, with Krillin being defeated in front of Frieza"

    instead it just tells you

    DEFEAT GOKU
    ????
    ????

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    BucketmanBucketman Call me SkraggRegistered User regular
    THESPOOKY wrote: »
    It's stuff that kind of makes sense but is never explicitly told or even implied

    Like, for Legendary Super Saiyan, the game could easily wink-nudge you in the direction of "Hey, maaaaybe these Z-Fighters should lose in canonical order, with Krillin being defeated in front of Frieza"

    instead it just tells you

    DEFEAT GOKU
    ????
    ????

    Wait...FUCK that makes so much sense. So its like Vegeta, Piccolo, Gohan, then finally Krillin? Then of course Goku.

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    DocshiftyDocshifty Registered User regular
    Bucketman wrote: »
    THESPOOKY wrote: »
    It's stuff that kind of makes sense but is never explicitly told or even implied

    Like, for Legendary Super Saiyan, the game could easily wink-nudge you in the direction of "Hey, maaaaybe these Z-Fighters should lose in canonical order, with Krillin being defeated in front of Frieza"

    instead it just tells you

    DEFEAT GOKU
    ????
    ????

    Wait...FUCK that makes so much sense. So its like Vegeta, Piccolo, Gohan, then finally Krillin? Then of course Goku.

    No, the only one that matters is Krillin before Goku.

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    THESPOOKYTHESPOOKY papa! Registered User regular
    edited March 2015
    Bucketman wrote: »
    THESPOOKY wrote: »
    It's stuff that kind of makes sense but is never explicitly told or even implied

    Like, for Legendary Super Saiyan, the game could easily wink-nudge you in the direction of "Hey, maaaaybe these Z-Fighters should lose in canonical order, with Krillin being defeated in front of Frieza"

    instead it just tells you

    DEFEAT GOKU
    ????
    ????

    Wait...FUCK that makes so much sense. So its like Vegeta, Piccolo, Gohan, then finally Krillin? Then of course Goku.

    I just beat them in the order they came out, then killed Krillin while he was near Frieza

    Got the SSJ pop every time

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    T4CTT4CT BAFTA-NOMINATED NAFTA-APPROVEDRegistered User regular
    ANY DAY YOU WANNA SPAWN CELL, PQ 28

    ANY DAY

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    SkulloSkullo Registered User regular
    Okay, so I successfully soloed PQ 19.

    Now I have to do Goten's version: PQ 32.

    Any tips on surviving these kinds of PQs when you're forced to solo them for the unlock? So far they're the only part of the game I'm not enjoying.

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    DocshiftyDocshifty Registered User regular
    Skullo wrote: »
    Okay, so I successfully soloed PQ 19.

    Now I have to do Goten's version: PQ 32.

    Any tips on surviving these kinds of PQs when you're forced to solo them for the unlock? So far they're the only part of the game I'm not enjoying.

    Energy capsules, Vacation Delete/Blue Hurricane. Judicial use of aura dash. Potentially just level and come back.

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    PlatyPlaty Registered User regular
    Items are absolutely essential

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    THESPOOKYTHESPOOKY papa! Registered User regular
    Where are you getting that you have to do them solo?

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    DocshiftyDocshifty Registered User regular
    THESPOOKY wrote: »
    Where are you getting that you have to do them solo?


    When a character offers you a pq out in Tokitoki, you have to do it solo first before it goes in the pq list and you can take others along with you.

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    TransporterTransporter Registered User regular
    THESPOOKY wrote: »
    Where are you getting that you have to do them solo?

    When you first get the "quest" for the PQ, you indeed have to complete it solo.

    Also I strongly recommend, even if you don't want to play it, a ki based Saiyan, preferably female, for just those situations.

    Cell Mentorship and Perfect Kamehameha if you want to go for that EXTRA OP.

    Perfect Kamehameha spam is the light.

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    THESPOOKYTHESPOOKY papa! Registered User regular
    Docshifty wrote: »
    THESPOOKY wrote: »
    Where are you getting that you have to do them solo?


    When a character offers you a pq out in Tokitoki, you have to do it solo first before it goes in the pq list and you can take others along with you.

    Ohhh, right

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    SkulloSkullo Registered User regular
    edited March 2015
    Thanks for the tips.

    Yeah, items definitely help, when you're not being juggled/stun locked, etc.

    And I'm a "Frieza Race" (they really don't have a name for this?), and likely very poorly built. Not sure if I want to waste a wish on a respec though when I'd rather prioritize getting characters unlocked for multi with them. Maybe I will though.

    Currently rolling with piccolo's Z-soul that reduces damage taken, and spamming special beam cannon since it's unblockable. Thinking that played a huge part in getting me through PQ 19.

    Game is fun as hell HFIL despite these hangups. I can usually get through the story easily, only had to grind up at a few points, so I was thrown off by how hard these PQs were.

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    Yknow

    I know why the vast majority of Dragonball games are fighters/brawlers

    It makes sense on one level

    But on another level I can't help but think the series makes more sense as a JRPG

    They spend a large part of the Saiyan and android sagas grinding! They spam healing items! They spend turns charging attacks and applying self-buffs!

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    SkulloSkullo Registered User regular
    I would play the shit out of a Dragon Ball/DBZ RPG that had some level of interaction with the moves, like mashing buttons to power up a Kamehameha or timing an instant transmission.

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    PlatyPlaty Registered User regular
    Skullo wrote: »
    Yeah, items definitely help, when you're not being juggled/stun locked, etc

    The AI is really bad at this, do you run out of stamina? You might wanna try a different ultimate, there's much better supers and ultimates if enemies are ganging up on you

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    THESPOOKYTHESPOOKY papa! Registered User regular
    It's really hard to deal with multiple foes as a Striker, but I find that Sauzer blade is good at giving yourself some breathing room

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    PlatyPlaty Registered User regular
    Special Beam Cannon is mostly good at "sniping" a single target from a distance, like when they fight with another character

    It has a fast travel time and long range, but it only hits one target in most situation and doesn't throw characters away from you (because of its "piercing" effect)

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    SkulloSkullo Registered User regular
    Skullo wrote: »
    Yeah, items definitely help, when you're not being juggled/stun locked, etc

    The AI is really bad at this, do you run out of stamina? You might wanna try a different ultimate, there's much better supers and ultimates if enemies are ganging up on you

    Yeah, I probably haven't invested enough to stamina or just spend it too quickly teleporting out of combos.

    It's really only been an issue on these two PQs- when fighting multiple Super Saiyans at once I find myself getting thrown really far, and by the time I'm up they hit me with another Kamehameha or are on top of me again with a beat down ready.
    THESPOOKY wrote: »
    It's really hard to deal with multiple foes as a Striker, but I find that Sauzer blade is good at giving yourself some breathing room

    Cool. I am a striker, so I'll take that into account. I don't have this one yet so I'll see I have the PQ to unlock it.
    Special Beam Cannon is mostly good at "sniping" a single target from a distance, like when they fight with another character

    It has a fast travel time and long range, but it only hits one target in most situation and doesn't throw characters away from you (because of its "piercing" effect)

    Yeah, I started using it because I could run away and blast off a few while they caught up.

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    MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    Skullo wrote: »
    I would play the shit out of a Dragon Ball/DBZ RPG that had some level of interaction with the moves, like mashing buttons to power up a Kamehameha or timing an instant transmission.

    Button mashing as a game mechanic is design crime and should be punished appropriately.

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    SkulloSkullo Registered User regular
    Maddoc wrote: »
    Skullo wrote: »
    I would play the shit out of a Dragon Ball/DBZ RPG that had some level of interaction with the moves, like mashing buttons to power up a Kamehameha or timing an instant transmission.

    Button mashing as a game mechanic is design crime and should be punished appropriately.

    I'm not saying like, Metal Gear torture levels of mashing. More like getting in a few quick taps at the right time to get a damage boost.

    From what I've seen when my brother plays, I think the mario and Luigi rpg have a system similar to what I'm suggesting. You can select an attack and will go off, but doing some times input triggers Crits or some bonus effect.

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    MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    Anyway there is actually already a good DBZ RPG, it's on DS, it's called Attack of the Saiyans

    It's a real fucking shame that it apparently never got any sequels, as it only goes through the end of the Saiyan Saga and even hints at the Frieza Saga in the end of the game

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    WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    Maddoc wrote: »
    Anyway there is actually already a good DBZ RPG, it's on DS, it's called Attack of the Saiyans

    It's a real fucking shame that it apparently never got any sequels, as it only goes through the end of the Saiyan Saga and even hints at the Frieza Saga in the end of the game

    one of my favorite parts about that game is that your tutorialparty, the weakass characters who train you to play the game

    are tien, yamcha, and krillin

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