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    TrippyJingTrippyJing Moses supposes his toeses are roses. But Moses supposes erroneously.Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    The oceans 12 example is extra awful because WHY DOES IT ONLY APPLY TO JULIA ROBERS AND NOT THE OTHER 11 FAMOUS PEOPLE

    You know someone said just make it a universe where these actors don't exist?

    Well, what's wrong with making a universe where these actors don't exist other than Julia Roberts?

    I'm fairly certain pretending to be a real celebrity is/was a real con.
    Because it is really dumb to go "Okay well Julia Roberts exists but George Clooney, Matt Damon, Brad Pitt, Don Cheadle, Andy Garcia, Bernie Mac and The Rest do not exist"

    Why? Does Julia Roberts need those other actors to prevent the collapse of her own existence?

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    Okay so shortly after the invention of the video camera, they also invented the technology that created dimensional portals. The original plan was to try to use these portals for teleportation, or even to potentially colonize the other dimension, but it proved inhospitable, a dimension inhabited by strange, demonic creatures. Early explorers of the dimension brought video cameras with them to try to record footage of these creatures, as nobody believed in their existence. Many of these explorers were ripped to shreds in the process, but a lucky few made it back, cameras full of documentary footage of the creatures.

    Only the creatures didn't look inhuman at all anymore. The explorers were dismayed to discover that they just looked like ordinary people. Laughed out of the scientific community, they continued to hunt for a way to record these creatures.

    Many new types of camera were invented in the hope of being able to capture an image of the demons they had seen. Recorded sound turned back into human speech, rather than the guttural groaning and echoing whispers of the other dimension. Color film didn't do anything to improve things either. The explorers began running out of money, and turned to selling the recordings that they'd made for distribution.

    This brought two shocks to the industry. One, the recordings were immensely popular, enough to fund decades of further exploration and camera innovation. Two, people started noticing similarities between the humans that were sighted on film. While the explorers swore up and down that they were observing entirely different groups of the creatures, the similarities were striking. Thus began the origins of the term actor, and, shortly following it, director.

    Directors still explore this hell-dimension to this day, although many question their motives. There are still some true believers who are trying to capture the terrors they've seen on film, but for every one of those there's a dozen of men who've realized that they could just make a quick buck by selling recordings of these monsters, even transformed into human form.

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    Like, it sounds like if Ocean's 12 was a book or a comic and there were only written or drawn depictions of the characters, you'd be okay with the Julia Roberts angle.
    It would be better, yes

    Because she isn't actually being played by Julia Roberts in that case

    Like the Ocean's movies are pretty blatantly an excuse for a bunch of actors who are buddies to have a bunch of fun and film a big dumb popcorn film together and that's fine

    But the Julia Roberts thing crosses the line into super smug self-referential territory and is also super dumb and needlessly complicated since she isn't the only movie star in the thing

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    Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    Straightzi wrote: »
    Okay so shortly after the invention of the video camera, they also invented the technology that created dimensional portals. The original plan was to try to use these portals for teleportation, or even to potentially colonize the other dimension, but it proved inhospitable, a dimension inhabited by strange, demonic creatures. Early explorers of the dimension brought video cameras with them to try to record footage of these creatures, as nobody believed in their existence. Many of these explorers were ripped to shreds in the process, but a lucky few made it back, cameras full of documentary footage of the creatures.

    Only the creatures didn't look inhuman at all anymore. The explorers were dismayed to discover that they just looked like ordinary people. Laughed out of the scientific community, they continued to hunt for a way to record these creatures.

    Many new types of camera were invented in the hope of being able to capture an image of the demons they had seen. Recorded sound turned back into human speech, rather than the guttural groaning and echoing whispers of the other dimension. Color film didn't do anything to improve things either. The explorers began running out of money, and turned to selling the recordings that they'd made for distribution.

    This brought two shocks to the industry. One, the recordings were immensely popular, enough to fund decades of further exploration and camera innovation. Two, people started noticing similarities between the humans that were sighted on film. While the explorers swore up and down that they were observing entirely different groups of the creatures, the similarities were striking. Thus began the origins of the term actor, and, shortly following it, director.

    Directors still explore this hell-dimension to this day, although many question their motives. There are still some true believers who are trying to capture the terrors they've seen on film, but for every one of those there's a dozen of men who've realized that they could just make a quick buck by selling recordings of these monsters, even transformed into human form.

    Most people believe Stanley Kubrick is dead

    Few know the truth

    That he ascended to become the protector of Movierealm

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    ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    Like, it sounds like if Ocean's 12 was a book or a comic and there were only written or drawn depictions of the characters, you'd be okay with the Julia Roberts angle.

    I'd probably even be ok with it if it was like

    dean morgan pretending to be javiar bardem

    but having julia roberts pretend to be julia roberts is just stupid

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    The oceans 12 example is extra awful because WHY DOES IT ONLY APPLY TO JULIA ROBERS AND NOT THE OTHER 11 FAMOUS PEOPLE

    You know someone said just make it a universe where these actors don't exist?

    Well, what's wrong with making a universe where these actors don't exist other than Julia Roberts?

    I'm fairly certain pretending to be a real celebrity is/was a real con.
    Because it is really dumb to go "Okay well Julia Roberts exists but George Clooney, Matt Damon, Brad Pitt, Don Cheadle, Andy Garcia, Bernie Mac and The Rest do not exist"

    Why? Does Julia Roberts need those other actors to prevent the collapse of her own existence?
    Because it is stupid

    Like I don't know what answer you're wanting here cause there isn't an objective explanation

    I just find it incredibly dumb to have a KEY plot point built around how Julia Roberts is playing a character that looks like Julia Roberts so she impersonates Julia Roberts but is then foiled when Actual Julia Roberts calls someone despite the character being played by Actual Julia Roberts in real life, and doubly so when she is constantly surrounded by some of the biggest stars on the planet and no one bats an eye at Clooney, Pitt or Damon.

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    ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    The oceans 12 example is extra awful because WHY DOES IT ONLY APPLY TO JULIA ROBERS AND NOT THE OTHER 11 FAMOUS PEOPLE

    You know someone said just make it a universe where these actors don't exist?

    Well, what's wrong with making a universe where these actors don't exist other than Julia Roberts?

    I'm fairly certain pretending to be a real celebrity is/was a real con.
    Because it is really dumb to go "Okay well Julia Roberts exists but George Clooney, Matt Damon, Brad Pitt, Don Cheadle, Andy Garcia, Bernie Mac and The Rest do not exist"

    Why? Does Julia Roberts need those other actors to prevent the collapse of her own existence?
    Because it is stupid

    Like I don't know what answer you're wanting here cause there isn't an objective explanation

    I just find it incredibly dumb to have a KEY plot point built around how Julia Roberts is playing a character that looks like Julia Roberts so she impersonates Julia Roberts but is then foiled when Actual Julia Roberts calls someone despite the character being played by Actual Julia Roberts in real life, and doubly so when she is constantly surrounded by some of the biggest stars on the planet and no one bats an eye at Clooney, Pitt or Damon.

    Oh my god I didn't even know that part holy shit

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    Some innovative directors began bringing in specialists in order to attempt to capture what they were seeing. These specialists were artists that would keep notes of what they saw in the hellscape with their naked eye, and then try to convert it back into a scope that could be mass broadcast using computer generated images. While crude at first, these specialists have gotten better and better over time. Unfortunately, they now struggle with a phenomenon called the Uncanny Valley, where if they manage to too closely replicate the creature in question, it will shift into a human or mostly human form, frequently assuming similar characteristics to a known actor.

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    Librarian's ghostLibrarian's ghost Librarian, Ghostbuster, and TimSpork Registered User regular
    You people are crazy, the Julia Roberts part was fun. Especially when Bruce Willis shows up and they all freak out.

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    ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    I mean like I dunno what you want

    It just basically screams THIS IS ALL FAKE BULLSHIT at top volume

    Even if its a 'joke' it makes me completely disregard the rest of the movie because who cares now, they could pull any bullshit they want now, the walls are down, the rules of storytelling dissolved

    One of them could shoot lightning from their hands at badguys now if they wanted to I guess

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    TrippyJingTrippyJing Moses supposes his toeses are roses. But Moses supposes erroneously.Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    The oceans 12 example is extra awful because WHY DOES IT ONLY APPLY TO JULIA ROBERS AND NOT THE OTHER 11 FAMOUS PEOPLE

    You know someone said just make it a universe where these actors don't exist?

    Well, what's wrong with making a universe where these actors don't exist other than Julia Roberts?

    I'm fairly certain pretending to be a real celebrity is/was a real con.
    Because it is really dumb to go "Okay well Julia Roberts exists but George Clooney, Matt Damon, Brad Pitt, Don Cheadle, Andy Garcia, Bernie Mac and The Rest do not exist"

    Why? Does Julia Roberts need those other actors to prevent the collapse of her own existence?
    Because it is stupid

    Like I don't know what answer you're wanting here cause there isn't an objective explanation

    I just find it incredibly dumb to have a KEY plot point built around how Julia Roberts is playing a character that looks like Julia Roberts so she impersonates Julia Roberts but is then foiled when Actual Julia Roberts calls someone despite the character being played by Actual Julia Roberts in real life, and doubly so when she is constantly surrounded by some of the biggest stars on the planet and no one bats an eye at Clooney, Pitt or Damon.

    Real famous people exist in fiction only when the fiction points them out. Ocean's 12 does not point out anyone in the cast other than Julia Roberts, so as far as we are concerned, they don't exist.

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    Some directors, believing the cameras to be the problem, recorded only sound on their visits to the other dimension.

    They were, of course, wrong, and the expensive audio recordings that they made were refashioned into animated films. Some of these attempt to depict the horrors of the world, but very frequently the recordings are not in themselves horrific once translated into a human tongue, and not much can be done with them.

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    ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    The oceans 12 example is extra awful because WHY DOES IT ONLY APPLY TO JULIA ROBERS AND NOT THE OTHER 11 FAMOUS PEOPLE

    You know someone said just make it a universe where these actors don't exist?

    Well, what's wrong with making a universe where these actors don't exist other than Julia Roberts?

    I'm fairly certain pretending to be a real celebrity is/was a real con.
    Because it is really dumb to go "Okay well Julia Roberts exists but George Clooney, Matt Damon, Brad Pitt, Don Cheadle, Andy Garcia, Bernie Mac and The Rest do not exist"

    Why? Does Julia Roberts need those other actors to prevent the collapse of her own existence?
    Because it is stupid

    Like I don't know what answer you're wanting here cause there isn't an objective explanation

    I just find it incredibly dumb to have a KEY plot point built around how Julia Roberts is playing a character that looks like Julia Roberts so she impersonates Julia Roberts but is then foiled when Actual Julia Roberts calls someone despite the character being played by Actual Julia Roberts in real life, and doubly so when she is constantly surrounded by some of the biggest stars on the planet and no one bats an eye at Clooney, Pitt or Damon.

    Real famous people exist in fiction only when the fiction points them out. Ocean's 12 does not point out anyone in the cast other than Julia Roberts, so as far as we are concerned, they don't exist.

    and all of this forces you think about how nothing thats happening is real, and pulls you out of the story

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    ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    You people are crazy, the Julia Roberts part was fun. Especially when Bruce Willis shows up and they all freak out.

    it is the dumbest thing I have seen in a hollywood film

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    KwoaruKwoaru Confident Smirk Flawless Golden PecsRegistered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »

    I just find it incredibly dumb to have a KEY plot point built around how Julia Roberts is playing a character that looks like Julia Roberts so she impersonates Julia Roberts but is then foiled when Actual Julia Roberts calls someone despite the character being played by Actual Julia Roberts in real life, and doubly so when she is constantly surrounded by some of the biggest stars on the planet and no one bats an eye at Clooney, Pitt or Damon.

    Actually I think this would be really cool if they had gone and gotten a Julia Roberts look alike to play "real" Julia Roberts

    it would have made me laugh anyway

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    UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    One of my favorite deflections of this is actually on Scrubs

    There's an episode where JD is watching The Fugitive and notices that the transit cop that tells Harrison Ford to put his hands up looks exactly like the Janitor, and ends up confronting him about it

    At the end of the episode, the Janitor confirms that he was indeed the actor in that scene

    So in the fiction of that universe, the Janitor was a bit actor that ended up not succeeding and became a janitor

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    David_TDavid_T A fashion yes-man is no good to me. Copenhagen, DenmarkRegistered User regular
    They should just have had Actual Julia Roberts be played by someone else.

    Like Gary Oldman. Bet he could pull it off.

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    TrippyJingTrippyJing Moses supposes his toeses are roses. But Moses supposes erroneously.Registered User regular
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    The oceans 12 example is extra awful because WHY DOES IT ONLY APPLY TO JULIA ROBERS AND NOT THE OTHER 11 FAMOUS PEOPLE

    You know someone said just make it a universe where these actors don't exist?

    Well, what's wrong with making a universe where these actors don't exist other than Julia Roberts?

    I'm fairly certain pretending to be a real celebrity is/was a real con.
    Because it is really dumb to go "Okay well Julia Roberts exists but George Clooney, Matt Damon, Brad Pitt, Don Cheadle, Andy Garcia, Bernie Mac and The Rest do not exist"

    Why? Does Julia Roberts need those other actors to prevent the collapse of her own existence?
    Because it is stupid

    Like I don't know what answer you're wanting here cause there isn't an objective explanation

    I just find it incredibly dumb to have a KEY plot point built around how Julia Roberts is playing a character that looks like Julia Roberts so she impersonates Julia Roberts but is then foiled when Actual Julia Roberts calls someone despite the character being played by Actual Julia Roberts in real life, and doubly so when she is constantly surrounded by some of the biggest stars on the planet and no one bats an eye at Clooney, Pitt or Damon.

    Real famous people exist in fiction only when the fiction points them out. Ocean's 12 does not point out anyone in the cast other than Julia Roberts, so as far as we are concerned, they don't exist.

    and all of this forces you think about how nothing thats happening is real, and pulls you out of the story

    For some people, yes. For others, no. For them, it could be dumb science. Super inaccurate depictions of computer technology. Poor trigger discipline. Explosions for no reason.

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    ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    The oceans 12 example is extra awful because WHY DOES IT ONLY APPLY TO JULIA ROBERS AND NOT THE OTHER 11 FAMOUS PEOPLE

    You know someone said just make it a universe where these actors don't exist?

    Well, what's wrong with making a universe where these actors don't exist other than Julia Roberts?

    I'm fairly certain pretending to be a real celebrity is/was a real con.
    Because it is really dumb to go "Okay well Julia Roberts exists but George Clooney, Matt Damon, Brad Pitt, Don Cheadle, Andy Garcia, Bernie Mac and The Rest do not exist"

    Why? Does Julia Roberts need those other actors to prevent the collapse of her own existence?
    Because it is stupid

    Like I don't know what answer you're wanting here cause there isn't an objective explanation

    I just find it incredibly dumb to have a KEY plot point built around how Julia Roberts is playing a character that looks like Julia Roberts so she impersonates Julia Roberts but is then foiled when Actual Julia Roberts calls someone despite the character being played by Actual Julia Roberts in real life, and doubly so when she is constantly surrounded by some of the biggest stars on the planet and no one bats an eye at Clooney, Pitt or Damon.

    Real famous people exist in fiction only when the fiction points them out. Ocean's 12 does not point out anyone in the cast other than Julia Roberts, so as far as we are concerned, they don't exist.

    and all of this forces you think about how nothing thats happening is real, and pulls you out of the story

    For some people, yes. For others, no. For them, it could be dumb science. Super inaccurate depictions of computer technology. Poor trigger discipline. Explosions for no reason.

    ....then why were you asking what was wrong with the scene

    we explained

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    I can't decide if I should have directors/other people who have been to the hell dimension still able to see the monsters even when viewing the tape

    I'm leaning towards yes?

    So the director still sees all of the monsters even when editing the film and trying to put something together for other people to understand

    And that's why you need producers, as they weren't there and can watch the movie as normal human beings would see a movie

    Also directors can never enjoy a movie like a normal person once they've been on the other side, because all they see are the horrifying monsters

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Goatmon wrote: »
    Mr. G wrote: »
    The Babadook just went up on Netflix

    EVERYONE NEEDS TO WATCH THIS SO I CAN TALK ABOUT IT WITH YOU

    I saw it months ago.

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    KwoaruKwoaru Confident Smirk Flawless Golden PecsRegistered User regular
    David_T wrote: »
    They should just have had Actual Julia Roberts be played by someone else.

    Like Gary Oldman. Bet he could pull it off.

    "I bet gary oldman could do it" is like

    the safest of bets

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    UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    Have Gary Oldman play a character that's recognized as Gary Oldman

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    One of my favorite deflections of this is actually on Scrubs

    There's an episode where JD is watching The Fugitive and notices that the transit cop that tells Harrison Ford to put his hands up looks exactly like the Janitor, and ends up confronting him about it

    At the end of the episode, the Janitor confirms that he was indeed the actor in that scene

    So in the fiction of that universe, the Janitor was a bit actor that ended up not succeeding and became a janitor

    And that's how we know the Janitors real name is Neil Flynn

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    TrippyJingTrippyJing Moses supposes his toeses are roses. But Moses supposes erroneously.Registered User regular
    Because going

    Yup, nothing in this movie matters now, I'm out.

    Is extreme for any of those, much less Julia Roberts, since that could at least be given a convincing explanation.

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    AtomicTofuAtomicTofu She's a straight-up supervillain, yo Registered User regular
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    AtomicTofuAtomicTofu She's a straight-up supervillain, yo Registered User regular
    That trailer is for Vow

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    Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    To be honest, I thought the thread would just lock itself after I posted that

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    ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    edited April 2015
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    Because going

    Yup, nothing in this movie matters now, I'm out.

    Is extreme for any of those, much less Julia Roberts, since that could at least be given a convincing explanation.

    I mean no

    to me once you do that the entire artifice of the film is null

    you may not agree, and thats fine, but yeah it completely destroyed it for me

    edit: like those other things dont defy the rules of how movies work

    Once you, out of nowhere, decide that your character looks like her acctress, without ever having acknowledged it previously, specifically so they can do something that only a celebrity would have access to

    Oh hey did you know brad pitt was a lightning god

    yeah we never brought it up before but we needed a power surge in this tranformer so he can do that now

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    OH HEY VOW

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    UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    Yeah

    Those trailers continue to do nothing for me

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    KwoaruKwoaru Confident Smirk Flawless Golden PecsRegistered User regular
    AtomicTofu wrote: »
    now recut all of this so old movie stuff is replaced with borderlands stuff

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    UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    Kwoaru wrote: »
    AtomicTofu wrote: »
    now recut all of this so old movie stuff is replaced with borderlands stuff

    Too late, they did it already

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    TrippyJingTrippyJing Moses supposes his toeses are roses. But Moses supposes erroneously.Registered User regular
    edited April 2015
    Eh, for me the rule of Ocean's movies is basically to use named cons from some nonexistent con playbook.

    Impersonating a celebrity sounds like something out of it, while gaining magic powers does not.

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