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[PA Comic] Monday, March 16, 2015 - The Judging Wood, Part Five

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image[PA Comic] Monday, March 16, 2015 - The Judging Wood, Part Five

The Judging Wood, Part Five

The Judging Wood, Part Five

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  • Kwisatz Haderach Kwisatz Haderach The power to destroy a thing is the absolute control over it. Registered User regular
    Ok, so this reminds me of the old "angel & devil sitting on your shoulders"-gig.

    Loving the expression on her face, nicely wrapped this up :)

  • CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    Beautiful.

    "excuse my French
    But fuck you — no, fuck y'all, that's as blunt as it gets"
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  • AlphieusAlphieus Registered User new member
    I feel as though I missed a page... I dunno.

  • Robotic DraconianRobotic Draconian Registered User regular
    I don't even know what the fuck is going on anymore.

  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited March 2015
    She let the boy go.
    The blue bird is the good conscience and is happy with this.
    The owl is all "He's just going to eat all my food you know"
    And she's negotiating.

    We don't need to see her actually letting the boy go because it isn't important. It's implied.

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  • nshurenshure Registered User new member
    edited March 2015
    Can't wait for a full graphic novel done in this universe, I bet it will top 10 whole pages. The best part will be that some of the implied shit will actually be shown to us graphically.

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  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    Not showing is the best way to keep something mysterious.

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  • IagolanIagolan Registered User new member
    Looks like she took his scarf, or he traded it for freedom. I don't remember seeing red on her before.

  • IsaIsa Registered User regular
    Alphieus wrote: »
    I feel as though I missed a page... I dunno.

    Yeah that's how I'm feeling, like a page or two is missing in this story. It's not an issue keeping things mysterious or vague; it's about the flow feeling off to me and the story seemingly skipping big chunks and not inferring the answers to some pretty big questions.

    I dunno. It's a beautiful comic and I'm always excited for more Daughters, but yeah.

  • milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    edited March 2015
    Not showing is the best way to keep something mysterious.

    Or to try to cram story into a few pages without sacrificing too much gag-a-day time. I'm almost never left wanting more from the forays into storyline comics; I'm just left wondering why they use the "don't show everything, don't give a clear resolution" trick almost every time. It's interesting as a hook, but with multiple story comics in multiple worlds using the same tactic, it just feels like I'm being shown the "NEXT TIME ON GOOSEBUMPS" chapter at the end of the book any time a story arc shows up.

    EDIT: For this specific instance, It's actually odd. There's more of a "resolution" than most of the stories (in that we have a muddy beginning, a middle, and a somewhat clear end), but with one-and-a-third stripes with the boy in focus and most of another strip with the treant (?) in focus, having neither of them actually present for the resolution makes the pacing feel pretty jarring.
    Iagolan wrote: »
    Looks like she took his scarf, or he traded it for freedom. I don't remember seeing red on her before.

    Implied, but they also very specifically don't show her wrist in any of the panels. For all we know, she could be wearing that wrist-scarf as a trophy from a different boy they actually did kill, though that's rather unlikely.

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  • milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    Also, I'm not sure if her horns/branches are supposed to be changing shape, or are off model, but her right/our left horn has a way steeper dip than in the other strips, and neither side has its secondary branch; while her right/our left horn could be blocking that one, the other horns branch should be in plain sight based on how it was drawn in the first and third strips.

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  • Darth WaiterDarth Waiter Elrond Hubbard Mordor XenuRegistered User regular
    Cowl reminds me of the owl Archimedes in Disney's old The Sword in the Stone cartoon, except more of a dick. He's got the whole pompous attitude down pat though, just being all judgemental and greedy about his rodent food supply.

  • darkmayodarkmayo Registered User regular
    I guess the other thing we learned today is that you have no say in your outcome when being judged by a daughter, or that Mike just wanted to draw the Daughter more than the lookout.

    Liking the art, not quite sure what I think about these blotches, whats up with the ones on her shoulder and stomach.

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  • GaslightGaslight Registered User regular
    So she let the boy live. And by let him live, we mean left him slumped in the dirt bleeding to death from his gaping abdominal wound.

  • EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    I can't get enough of her "dammit, Cowl, I've had enough of your shit." faces.

  • HearthsingerHearthsinger Actor/Writer NYCRegistered User regular
    edited March 2015
    It's almost as if her decision to let the boy go free and determine "justice" has matured her somewhat- like she seems very different in stature now and her branches are larger- more like the Mother from the Tithe. Perhaps each decision they make in protection of the Eyrewood causes them to grow closer to it. It's sort of like when Hanna heals the grove lion, the buds in her hair blossom.

    Also I am stuck on the word free. It appears that she has the Lookout's scarf. I suppose she left him to determine his own fate. Like if he could survive his grievous wound, he would deserve to live despite having taken something that wasn't his. Did he trade the scarf as some have suggested? At first I thought that perhaps that word implied that she had killed him, but I don't think so because they're implying he could return. I suppose "free" actually might mean free from her own will, since she could have healed or actively killed him. She is not dressed in her old village clothes though. Can we assume that for every person whose justice they decide for the Eyrewood, they take a trophy to create their new identity- atleast clothing wise. It makes me wonder where she got her bandages and the cloth around her hips and the bracelets on her other arm.

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  • YoungFreyYoungFrey Registered User regular
    edited March 2015
    I really didn't like the Daughter in this one. First, she seemed to have almost none of the connection to humanity the previous 2 did. I imagine a person who remembered being a human wouldn't spend a ton of time entertaining the whims of a bloodthirsty owl. She'd say "kid, get out. Mess with the forest again and you won't leave."

    Also, I really appreciated the practical outfits of the first 2 daughters. And this one? A bandage tubetop and diaphanous skirt? Bonus for art mishap in day 2, panel 3.

    Ok, so I'll step back to base assumptions. Jerry and Mike know what they are doing. Why tell this "pointless" story with an almost dumb seeming Daughter. My guess is they are telling the middle chapter of Daughter development. The "teenage years". I can't say it really jibes with what I've seen before. Hanna seemed pretty together at the end of The Call. And I've never been a teenage girl, so I won't speculate about what it's like. Still, I don't have a better guess. Maybe they are saying that the forest calls Daughters at random, and sometimes results vary. Maybe the process doesn't go smoothly for every Daughter, and this is what it's like when it is rough.

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  • NijhazerNijhazer Sunnyvale, CARegistered User regular
    I really didn't like this storyline. Everyone involved is an asshole. I don't know if that's intended to be a commentary on the role that the Daughters play in the Eyrewood, but that aspect of this storyline reminds me of the first two episodes of Penny Arcade Adventures, so maybe this is just how Jerry writes characters, in which case I'm no longer interested in his book.

  • DaimarDaimar A Million Feet Tall of Awesome Registered User regular
    The one thing I can't stop focusing on is those branches must make it an absolute pain in the ass to walk around the forest with. How many times has she clotheslined herself when walking between two trees that are just a tad too close together?

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  • GaslightGaslight Registered User regular
    The whole "angel and devil on her shoulders" thing would have worked much better if the bluebird had ever actually spoken up in the boy's defense. We're supposed to conclude he was in favor of showing the boy mercy based on his line today but damned if he ever actually did anything to convince Trill of his position. It's all just Trill and the bloodthirsty owl going back and forth.

    I consider my level of interest in the Lookouts setting "moderate." I'm not thrilled every time new stuff about it appears and I don't groan either. But this is the first time they've done a Lookouts-related comic series where I kind of feel like the whole thing was a waste of time. Nothing really happens in it at all; the central dilemma of the plot, such as it was, was meaningless since it looks like the kid is going to bleed out alone in the middle of the forest now anyway; and it didn't really tell us anything new about the setting or its lore or institutions.

  • ScudMuffinScudMuffin MarylandRegistered User regular
    I love the art and the world of Lookouts, but I'll be damned if I can figure out what is going on... where did the giant tree thing go? Did the boy die?

  • YoungFreyYoungFrey Registered User regular
    Daimar wrote: »
    The one thing I can't stop focusing on is those branches must make it an absolute pain in the ass to walk around the forest with. How many times has she clotheslined herself when walking between two trees that are just a tad too close together?
    If she can walk the forest with a top wound from a strip of fabric, and a skirt as thick as a veil with no belt, and not end up naked & covered in scratches, she can probably handle not snagging those horns on stuff.

  • armatur3armatur3 San DiegoRegistered User regular
    After reading this I had to go back one comic to see if I somehow missed part of the story between Friday and today... In comparison to all the previous stories, this one felt the most disjointed. I feel like I understood everything that happened but had I never read a previous comic, it's likely I'd have been completely lost. With that said though, I still love the world that has been created and want more than just these snippets.

  • BostonPoetBostonPoet Registered User new member
    I just think that 3 panels is the worst possible way to tell a dramatic story. It works beautifully for comedy. They really pack the jokes into 3 panels, but with drama its just too little information per update.

    Beautifully drawn and colored though.

  • CruxAustralisCruxAustralis Registered User new member
    I love the way the daughter looks. I think that the important character here is Cowl and I like the homicidal owl a lot as well.

  • glasshawkglasshawk Registered User new member
    All the creatures the owl listed are creatures that live in the ground. That doesn't look promising to me. Almost like the boy is taking a dirt-nap...

  • CalicaCalica Registered User regular
    Why is she asking if they're "mended"? Did she/they get hurt somewhere between strips? Or is she just asking in an obtuse way if the argument's over? Also, why is she so pissed off? It almost seems like she let the boy go, but he attacked her in the process, and now she's regretting the decision.

    When the birds started babbling about getting married, I thought maybe the Treant was interested in the boy because it wanted to bind him to the Daughter somehow, like an overzealous matchmaker. ("There's a BOY in the woods! Get married NAO!") But then it never came up again, so...

    Someone said everyone in this arc is an asshole, but I don't see how the boy is anything other than lost and in the wrong place at the wrong time. The only evidence we have that he did anything wrong is Cowl's accusation, and Cowl seems like the paranoid sort.

    The only thing I can come up with for this arc is that it's supposed to show what the Daughters are like from the perspective of the villagers - that is, weird shit that doesn't make any sense. Except the boy isn't the POV character, so that doesn't really work either.

    I really like the Eyrewood setting and usually look forward to those strips, but they usually make more sense than this.

  • CruxAustralisCruxAustralis Registered User new member
    Calica wrote: »
    Why is she asking if they're "mended"? Did she/they get hurt somewhere between strips? Or is she just asking in an obtuse way if the argument's over? Also, why is she so pissed off? It almost seems like she let the boy go, but he attacked her in the process, and now she's regretting the decision.

    I think she is just asking Cowl if they are cool again and I believe that she is pissed off at him because having that bloodthirsty owl on your ear all day must get old real fast.

  • WhelmedWhelmed Registered User regular
    Honestly this is way more of a wrap-up than I expected, which I appreciate, but it really makes me feel the waste of some of the middle panels. Why bring in the giant tree lion for a confusing cameo? That's space that could have been used to actually discuss the decision the daughter is making! Which seems to have been a very important decision, though whether the Lookout is free through living or dying is needlessly ambiguous.

    One job that this series did very well is to make me want to write my own stories about these people. The world is very interesting and vast, even if it's mostly disconnected and vague. Reading this felt sort of like going to an Eyrewood grocery store, where all of the individual ingredients are laid out sufficient for food creation. But, without your own intervention and time investment to take them home and mix them up in a new way, there's really no meal there.

  • RedthirstRedthirst Registered User regular
    As for scarf - she said that if he returns, she will know him by his scent. The scarf will provide this scent for her.

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  • GaslightGaslight Registered User regular
    glasshawk wrote: »
    All the creatures the owl listed are creatures that live in the ground. That doesn't look promising to me. Almost like the boy is taking a dirt-nap...

    They're all animals owls eat. Pretty sure most owl species only hunt ground-bound prey, they don't take birds on the wing like falcons or Accipiters.

  • WhelmedWhelmed Registered User regular
    It would be more interesting to me if she memorized his scent psychically instead of physically, so since we never saw her wrist before I choose to believe she already had whatever that red thing is and the kid is alive, growing into an adult villager who will one day face her wrath while hunting a rabbit. That is my interpretation forever.

  • PhotosaurusPhotosaurus Bay Area, CARegistered User regular
    The used of mended in this case is the Daughter making sure things are ok between her and Cowl following her decision to let the boy go. Think "And if we shadows have offended, think but this and be it mended, that you have only slumbered here, whilst these visions did appear."

    With regards to her being pissed, if we assume those spots are blood, it may be the case that she was also mending the Lookout's wounds while also having Cowl bitch about helping a human, and is now still dealing with Cowl being a bit of a dick.

    "If complete and utter chaos was lightning, then he'd be the sort to stand on a hilltop in a thunderstorm wearing wet copper armour and shouting 'All gods are bastards'."
  • RedthirstRedthirst Registered User regular
    Or maybe she's pissed because she doesn't like being a Daughter, and meeting the boy reminded her of her time as human.

    Either way, I feel like they will have to develop it a lot more, since now we know only a little bit about this world. And if they want to go with graphical novel, then they might have to make a background book.

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  • AncillasAncillas Registered User new member
    I think what everyone is missing here is that she did search his pockets and she did find that he had stolen eggs. However, since the law is not upon him, she let him free. However, she is quite sour about it, and has lost a bit of her innocence in the process. She got a taste of the "real world".

  • deanhtdeanht Registered User new member
    It just seems like it is missing a panel or two, the search of the boy or the boy booking it in the distance or something. Feels a little disjointed since the boy is no more after the second strip. No cause and effect on the boys part, he may not even know what he did according to what was shown? Don't get me wrong, love the art and the story telling of this series. Can't wait for more.

  • BrushwoodMuttBrushwoodMutt Registered User regular
    I think I might get it! Okay, I think the purpose of this was to explain how the Daughters, the Wood-WISE, grow. Wisdom comes from experience and in this case, making decisions about the Laws. The Laws might be about nature, which is about keeping a balance between all living things, and humans are part of that balance. The balance aspect might be symbolized by the scales imagery of her horns, but most already figured that out.

    First to point out something: In the first page we see Trill's arms and she lacks the red scarf, so she took it from the boy. And in the second page we see a semi-lively boy asking not to be killed, which seems to imply he is hurt but not at death's door, so he's probably alive. And the grove-lion was probably there to show how he got hurt, because he was scouting from the village and ran into the creature and got hurt, which means he may not have done anything to hurt the forest. Thus not being "ripe" or worthy of dying, because the Daughters protect the forest and humans are part of the forest. It might only be when they actively harm the balance that the Daughters wish to harm them.

    We assumed that the birds were there to act as the devil and angel on the shoulder and would both give counsel to her before she acted, by her mentioning the "conclave". But rather than give counsel, what if they are there to test her, but she doesn't know that? So in this case the reason we get an overt amount of "devil" is to test her about what she will do when fueled with anger or pressure to be a unforgiving act of nature? And the bird marriage bit was just to emphasize the "angel" wasn't trying to counter the "devil" and was instead being nonsensical, so the decision would solely rest on Trill's choice and not because someone else convinced her to be merciful. The final page implies she released the boy and as mentioned from the second panel he was not at death's door and is definitely alive; Trill most likely, having shown her influence over the grove-lion, did not let it kill the boy. The final page is to show how Trill grew wiser and by doing so is reflected in that by looking older. If you notice, she appears more adult, her features are sharper and less round, especially in the face, implying age, because a rounder face is associated with youth. Her horns appear longer and having greater dips in them. And she has more flowers in her hair. She grew WISER, being closer to the Wood-Wise, because she sparred him. And as mentioned, humans are part of the balance, he most likely got hurt by the grove-lion and not from him trying to hurt the forest, so he didn't deserve to die. Her overcoming the pressure of Cowl, the "devil," telling her to kill and without the "angel's" counsel of being merciful, she made the correct choice to keep balance by sparring him and thus became wiser from the experience. The final act of saying she will know if he returns and does harm, also shows wisdom because it means she has learned that people can do bad thing even if shown mercy or kindness and that she will enact it if she must. So she is wise enough to be forgiving, but to take precautions just in case.

  • ziddersroofurryziddersroofurry Registered User regular
    @BRUSHWOODMUTT <3<3<3<3 I'm pretty sure you win.

  • GabrielGabriel Registered User, ClubPA, Penny Arcade Staff, PAX Staff staff
    edited March 2015
    Brushwoodmutt, that was awesome. I was wondering how many people would notice that she took his bandanna. Love your interpretation:)

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  • KeroanKeroan Chicago, IllinoisRegistered User regular
    I think I might get it! Okay, I think the purpose of this was to explain how the Daughters, the Wood-WISE, grow. Wisdom comes from experience and in this case, making decisions about the Laws. The Laws might be about nature, which is about keeping a balance between all living things, and humans are part of that balance. The balance aspect might be symbolized by the scales imagery of her horns, but most already figured that out.

    First to point out something: In the first page we see Trill's arms and she lacks the red scarf, so she took it from the boy. And in the second page we see a semi-lively boy asking not to be killed, which seems to imply he is hurt but not at death's door, so he's probably alive. And the grove-lion was probably there to show how he got hurt, because he was scouting from the village and ran into the creature and got hurt, which means he may not have done anything to hurt the forest. Thus not being "ripe" or worthy of dying, because the Daughters protect the forest and humans are part of the forest. It might only be when they actively harm the balance that the Daughters wish to harm them.

    We assumed that the birds were there to act as the devil and angel on the shoulder and would both give counsel to her before she acted, by her mentioning the "conclave". But rather than give counsel, what if they are there to test her, but she doesn't know that? So in this case the reason we get an overt amount of "devil" is to test her about what she will do when fueled with anger or pressure to be a unforgiving act of nature? And the bird marriage bit was just to emphasize the "angel" wasn't trying to counter the "devil" and was instead being nonsensical, so the decision would solely rest on Trill's choice and not because someone else convinced her to be merciful. The final page implies she released the boy and as mentioned from the second panel he was not at death's door and is definitely alive; Trill most likely, having shown her influence over the grove-lion, did not let it kill the boy. The final page is to show how Trill grew wiser and by doing so is reflected in that by looking older. If you notice, she appears more adult, her features are sharper and less round, especially in the face, implying age, because a rounder face is associated with youth. Her horns appear longer and having greater dips in them. And she has more flowers in her hair. She grew WISER, being closer to the Wood-Wise, because she sparred him. And as mentioned, humans are part of the balance, he most likely got hurt by the grove-lion and not from him trying to hurt the forest, so he didn't deserve to die. Her overcoming the pressure of Cowl, the "devil," telling her to kill and without the "angel's" counsel of being merciful, she made the correct choice to keep balance by sparring him and thus became wiser from the experience. The final act of saying she will know if he returns and does harm, also shows wisdom because it means she has learned that people can do bad thing even if shown mercy or kindness and that she will enact it if she must. So she is wise enough to be forgiving, but to take precautions just in case.

    Awesome interpretation. I didn't visually see the change but I really love the idea now that I study it closer!!

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