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    ZenyatooZenyatoo Registered User regular
    Lord Dave wrote: »
    Zenyatoo wrote: »
    This continues to bother me.
    Someone is either controlling this market. Or every alchemist out there is refusing to make tons of money.

    Armor potion cost: 170g per 20
    Cost per 1: 8.5g
    Materials used per 1: 3 frostweed
    Cost per 1 frostweed: 2g or less depending on buyer
    Cost of frostweed per potion: 6g

    Alchemists can apparently produce infinite money by buying frostweed and making armor potions. We're talking 2.5g per 3 frostweed you buy according to these prices.

    Somebody isnt taking advantage of this. The invisible hand is not passing off benefits to me the consumer! Where are my governmental regulations!

    Somebody IS taking advantage of it.
    The one guy who puts up 200 potions on Tuesday for lazy raiders to buy.
    Next few people to jump in eat a relist fee.

    So what you're saying is I need to buy frostweed on sundays, force one of our alchemists to make me a ton of potions. And then undercut on tuesday.

    Thanks for the advice. Money cap here I come.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Zenyatoo wrote: »
    This continues to bother me.
    Someone is either controlling this market. Or every alchemist out there is refusing to make tons of money.

    Armor potion cost: 170g per 20
    Cost per 1: 8.5g
    Materials used per 1: 3 frostweed
    Cost per 1 frostweed: 2g or less depending on buyer
    Cost of frostweed per potion: 6g

    Alchemists can apparently produce infinite money by buying frostweed and making armor potions. We're talking 2.5g per 3 frostweed you buy according to these prices.

    Somebody isnt taking advantage of this. The invisible hand is not passing off benefits to me the consumer! Where are my governmental regulations!

    So it's a 2.5g markup for one and a 50g markup for 20?

    That sounds fair.

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    JavenJaven Registered User regular
    Yeah that's, kind of the point of professions, right? In previous expansions trade skills were bullshit because the reagents were often more expensive than the finished product

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    AngryAngry The glory I had witnessed was just a sleight of handRegistered User regular
    Did anyone else play around with all the ilevels on that mrrobot link for Gruul?

    Ilvl 630 = 33k for Survival
    Ilvl 647 = 39k for feral
    Ilvl 660 = 29k WW
    Ilvl 670 = 32k Feral

    It must be taking every single pull, 30s wipes and 10 minute kills.

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    ZenyatooZenyatoo Registered User regular
    Ive decided to try empowered seals tonight.
    Seal twisting can suck it though. Im going to camp the permanent bloodlust seal and nobody can stop me.

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    Kai_SanKai_San Commonly known as Klineshrike! Registered User regular
    Seal twisting is.... a pretty huge buff though and the only reason that talent is valid.

    Besides, dps wise you only need to do 2 of them, the others are not going to increase damage.

    It cannot be that hard to keep 2 buffs up right?

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    DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    Zenyatoo wrote: »
    This continues to bother me.
    Someone is either controlling this market. Or every alchemist out there is refusing to make tons of money.

    Armor potion cost: 170g per 20
    Cost per 1: 8.5g
    Materials used per 1: 3 frostweed
    Cost per 1 frostweed: 2g or less depending on buyer
    Cost of frostweed per potion: 6g

    Alchemists can apparently produce infinite money by buying frostweed and making armor potions. We're talking 2.5g per 3 frostweed you buy according to these prices.

    Somebody isnt taking advantage of this. The invisible hand is not passing off benefits to me the consumer! Where are my governmental regulations!

    50g per 20 potions seems pretty damn low, given how little 50g buys these days and how relatively few armor potions are being consumed on a weekly basis.

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    Kai_SanKai_San Commonly known as Klineshrike! Registered User regular
    Yeah I think when it comes to things like this you need to realize not just profit margin, but the total amount of profit you can make.

    While they get used weekly, those things are not going to sell out enough that you are going to make serious cash on 50g profits for 20. And one person is prolly only buying 2 stacks of 20 a week?

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    ZenyatooZenyatoo Registered User regular
    Kai_San wrote: »
    Seal twisting is.... a pretty huge buff though and the only reason that talent is valid.

    Besides, dps wise you only need to do 2 of them, the others are not going to increase damage.

    It cannot be that hard to keep 2 buffs up right?

    Prot only has 2 seals. They removed seal of truth because blizzard cannot into balance design.
    The other seal is a 2% hp regen effect.
    Over 3 seconds.
    If our fight lasts 9 minutes and I have 100% uptime i'd have healed myself for a million and a bit.
    Hunterb heals himself for over 7million in that same time period.
    I'd have also needed to use 50ish GCD's on maintaining this buff.

    The effect isnt strong enough to be worth using in any siginificant fashion. None of the damage I take will be mitigated by an 8k heal every 3 seconds. There has in fact never been a situation where i've slowly bled out. Every death I have is because things hit you for 120k to the face multiple times over the span of 8 seconds and woops there goes all your health. The extra 16k hp will never save me ever.

    It's in fact probably more efficient to just sit there and use all those GCD's you use on seal twisting to do anything else.

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    DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited March 2015
    When people refer to seal twisting as Prot, they usually mean twisting to SoR to apply the haste buff, but otherwise sitting in Insight for the additional self healing. The Insight buff isn't much healing, but Insight autoattacks add up to a fair amount, and the two together is decent.

    If you prefer to sit in SoR for the DPS, then yeah, seal twisting to judge Insight isn't really worth it.

    Dhalphir on
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    Cilla BlackCilla Black Priscilla!!! Registered User regular
    @zay u wowing 2 nite?

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    ZenyatooZenyatoo Registered User regular
    Dhalphir wrote: »

    If you prefer to sit in SoR for the DPS

    Yup. That's me.

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    Kai_SanKai_San Commonly known as Klineshrike! Registered User regular
    Thats.... not how you look at passive mitigation as a tank, but you really like your dps so it prolly doesn't matter.

    But not accounting for overhealing, 1 million health healed is good to help healer mana if its an issue ever. Which from the sound of things in this dungeon its not.... again. So I thought healing was supposed to go back to where mana efficiency was a thing and not how to survive 101 big damage hits and thats it. But that seems to be the case so tank mitigation + efficient healing are out the window.

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    Cilla BlackCilla Black Priscilla!!! Registered User regular
    i'll be sticking near the computer if you guys end up needing me, just throw a post in the thread.

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    ZenyatooZenyatoo Registered User regular
    Kai_San wrote: »
    Thats.... not how you look at passive mitigation as a tank, but you really like your dps so it prolly doesn't matter.

    But not accounting for overhealing, 1 million health healed is good to help healer mana if its an issue ever. Which from the sound of things in this dungeon its not.... again. So I thought healing was supposed to go back to where mana efficiency was a thing and not how to survive 101 big damage hits and thats it. But that seems to be the case so tank mitigation + efficient healing are out the window.

    yeah unfortunately none of the fights are at any period where saving healer mana or the mild healing done is important.

    The two longest fights are maidens, wherein healing is meh until the last 20% and blast furnace. I'd argue the healing on blast furnace is the only use for it in all of BRF. but at the same time, you might as well just roll holy shield for Blast furnace anyway.

    paladin talents are dumb sometimes. And Blizzard keeps making them dumber.

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    ZayZay yes i am zay Registered User regular
    @zay u wowing 2 nite?

    yeh

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    Lord DaveLord Dave Grief Causer Bitch Free ZoneRegistered User regular
    Where oh where could my hunter B

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    The Cow KingThe Cow King a island Registered User regular
    sorry for wasting an hour of everyones time because I am complete garbo trash at maidens as I died many times on many attempts

    considering I died last week to poor killing spree usage and eating bloods like and idiot I should have picked it up this week

    I feel terrible and yeah sorry

    I want to blame maidens for being a terrible 8 minute snooze fest followed by 2 minute nonsense but I died during the snoozearino's

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    Rock Lobster!Rock Lobster! Registered User regular
    Geth revels in your shame, apparently.

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    WaltWalt Waller Arcane Enchanted Frozen ElectrifiedRegistered User regular
    I closed my eyes for a second on one of the later attempts during the bombs going off part for whatever reason

    my death was swift and just

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    Rock Lobster!Rock Lobster! Registered User regular
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    TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    Walt wrote: »
    I closed my eyes for a second on one of the later attempts during the bombs going off part for whatever reason

    my death was swift and just

    that's like the first rule of dodging bombs

    rule 1: Be awake
    rule 2: dodge bombs

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    ZenyatooZenyatoo Registered User regular
    Empowered seals is weird, but I do like it.
    As far as damage dealt/damage received i'll have to have a closer look at the logs. But my rankings were quite similar for damage. I think they may have been better for tanking, but im not 100% certain. I dont place a lot of stock in the tank rankings anyway.

    it's just really weird and inconvenient for gearing up, as im already over the haste limit for raiding, so I have to swap specs to eat food, and in fact would be better off dropping some haste for mastery. Which I dont think I can do easily.

    Also it's way more hectic in terms of pushing buttons. Which I like to some degree, but it feels like Ive got to be 120apm+ to play it properly.

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    AngryAngry The glory I had witnessed was just a sleight of handRegistered User regular
    Hm, aside from thorgar where my procless damage fell off a cliff my BM parses are 60+. I was really disappointed with my damage but I guess I'm about average. We'll see if the 4 piece makes that much of a difference.

    Darmak was really bad, but with only 3 people doing any damage to spears it was tough to keep up.

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    Lord DaveLord Dave Grief Causer Bitch Free ZoneRegistered User regular
    edited March 2015
    Walt wrote: »
    I closed my eyes for a second on one of the later attempts during the bombs going off part for whatever reason

    my death was swift and just

    I turned my head for literally 1/3 of a second because I though my dog might be barfin', and it threw me off so badly that I somehow ate like 5 bombs and died.
    Gotta be focused like a laser beam to bomb dance, apparently.

    Lord Dave on
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    AdusAdus Registered User regular
    maybe it was something in the air. i just felt super unfocused in general.

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    Lord DaveLord Dave Grief Causer Bitch Free ZoneRegistered User regular
    I think we were all just mad they canceled iLvl Christmas

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    Seattle ThreadSeattle Thread Registered User regular
    Lord Dave wrote: »
    I think we were all just mad they canceled iLvl Christmas



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    FyndirFyndir Registered User regular
    Lord Dave wrote: »
    I think we were all just mad they canceled iLvl Christmas

    10:

    20: wait

    30: goto 10

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    Seattle ThreadSeattle Thread Registered User regular
    That started a mini-shitstorm on Twitter (of course), but he further suggested Wednesday afternoon.

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    WaltWalt Waller Arcane Enchanted Frozen ElectrifiedRegistered User regular
    Iron Maidens would be a cool fight if it was just the last 4 minutes

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    30% on thorgar. 30%. please to have make button that reads "do not compare me to people who save all their cooldowns for the first train of shitty adds"

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    WaltWalt Waller Arcane Enchanted Frozen ElectrifiedRegistered User regular
    been bon(er)ing up on some mythic mistweaver strats and I have not been respecting the usefulness of chi explosion, fistweaving or spinning crane kick

    the HPS is massive with chi explosion and on fights that have cluster healing or low healing phases (kromog, flamebender, first 90% of maidens)

    also apparently all the pro mistweavers always stand in the melee pile so they can rushing jade wind all the time

    of course with our druids/disc heal sniping my numbers are never gonna look hyooj but it could be nice pushing out an extra 17k or whatever dps while having high throughput when it matters

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    Walt wrote: »
    been bon(er)ing up on some mythic mistweaver strats and I have not been respecting the usefulness of chi explosion, fistweaving or spinning crane kick

    the HPS is massive with chi explosion and on fights that have cluster healing or low healing phases (kromog, flamebender, first 90% of maidens)

    also apparently all the pro mistweavers always stand in the melee pile so they can rushing jade wind all the time

    of course with our druids/disc heal sniping my numbers are never gonna look hyooj but it could be nice pushing out an extra 17k or whatever dps while having high throughput when it matters

    i have a serious question. i see orbs on the ground. i know monks leave them. What decides where they end up appearing on the ground?

    For example, on Kromog, there were probably 20-30 orbs just hanging out in the no-mands-land between where the melee stands and where the ranged stand. so i was able to get them when I was running to my rune... but really if those things were popping up on the melee pile, that would be tens of thousands of healing all the time, especially useful during the stone breaths

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    AdusAdus Registered User regular
    the healing spheres are mistweaver monk's mastery. they have a percentage change to leave the sphere 'near' an injured ally when healing. a lot of them kinda get left out to nowhere due to people being in one spot then later having to move.

    there's a monk ability that forces all the spheres to explode to heal people in a radius but i don't know how viable it is to use since i believe it costs a chunk of mana.

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    WaltWalt Waller Arcane Enchanted Frozen ElectrifiedRegistered User regular
    edited March 2015
    Detonate Chi is fine if you are using Chi Explosion in the melee group a lot. Monk mastery is basically useless, it's kind of the stat equivalent of priests stacking a hypothetical +Lightwell item (when you had to click it)

    It's so bad that it's worth dropping 25 ilvls to get rid of it, even

    Also I really wanna roll on tank gear and be a Brewmaster for F Troops or whatever, I don't like WW but I love BrM

    Walt on
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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    Walt wrote: »
    Detonate Chi is fine if you are using Chi Explosion in the melee group a lot. Monk mastery is basically useless, it's kind of the stat equivalent of priests stacking a hypothetical +Lightwell item (when you had to click it)

    It's so bad that it's worth dropping 25 ilvls to get rid of it, even

    Also I really wanna roll on tank gear and be a Brewmaster for F Troops or whatever, I don't like WW but I love BrM

    please god by all means. then I could go back to fury and put up real numbers. i have two 680 weapons waiting for it

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    ZenyatooZenyatoo Registered User regular
    Walt wrote: »

    Also I really wanna roll on tank gear and be a Brewmaster for F Troops or whatever, I don't like WW but I love BrM

    Do it.

    If you wanna do Highmaul heroics too, id be more than happy to plow through them with you.

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    sorry I wasnt on last night bros

    my buddy dragged me to a magic draft and then I got a stomach bug

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    Kai_SanKai_San Commonly known as Klineshrike! Registered User regular
    The healing spheres do heal people when they expire as well, so they are never wasted. It decides the closest damaged ally when they expire.

    Its really not a BAD mastery its just kind of hard to judge it. In 5 mans its great because its the best small aoe healing you can get. Except you need to spam the shit out of other, expensive heals to generate them.

    If I ever get to go to your off raids I can tank too, my BrM was at least 655.

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