Is there a good guide to the (new) Tal Rasha set somewhere? I'm a bit confused on what procs what - I mean, summoning a hydra seems to proc the arcane skill +damage bonus at least, but the meteors proc from hydra's attack, not from summoning it. Mirror Images don't seem to proc anything, though it is hard to be sure with the visual chaos that ensues when you have 4 of them up. Can Familiar proc anything? And so on and on.
anything that does damage will proc the buff & meteor, cept hydra which just counts for the buff (I think mammoth might do both). familar bolts count for meteors but dunno about the buff.
I believe slow time can count for buff/meteor as well.
a lot of the ptr builds I saw did like shock orb for lightning (in conjunction with bastions of will), slow time or energy twister (w/ranslors) or familiar/arcanot(meteor only) for arcane, frost nova or blizzard for cold, and meteor swarm or hydra for fire.
Is there a good guide to the (new) Tal Rasha set somewhere? I'm a bit confused on what procs what - I mean, summoning a hydra seems to proc the arcane skill +damage bonus at least, but the meteors proc from hydra's attack, not from summoning it. Mirror Images don't seem to proc anything, though it is hard to be sure with the visual chaos that ensues when you have 4 of them up. Can Familiar proc anything? And so on and on.
I'm still learning myself. But, from what I can tell - passive damage sources (like magic weapon, or familiar) will proc the meteors but not the damage buff. I'm not sure about mirror images, I haven't tried those - I'd be interested in knowing that too.
basically looks like any damage type you do will proc the corresponding meteor. However the damage buffs only proc on you actually using a corresponding damage skill - like actually hitting a button and casting the spell.
basically active skills will proc both buff/meteor, passive stuff will only proc buff on activation and when they do damage meteor, not both passively.
so you're gonna need four skills to rotate for all of the above, leaving you two spots for magic weapon/shield/teleport or w/e. you could use teleport/calamity for arcane too.
@rwextreme I hope you find a good SMK soon. Honestly, I was floored that mine rolled ancient. I think Jay Wilson took pity on me when I was around paragon 700 with only one 2k dps SMK. I was perfectly fine with my 2k SMK for support since it's hands down the best party buff weapon.
For an alternative: Farts build is very, very strong now so finding a Dagger of Darts is feasible. I think Farts is on par with SMK (or possibly better in the ideal conditions) in 2.2 It does require a bit more fishing to find a perfect greater rift but the damage potential so amazing.
This was actually brought up by Deadset during the 2.2 Tavern Talk, asking why Denial can't roll CDR/Skill Damage/RCR. The answer was "you're right that's weird, we'll look into that"
And then nothing happened. WELP.
ARGH! They even mentioned in Tavern Talk. This makes me more furious! HULK SMASH!
The more and more that I think about this patch I realize it's just not finished at ALL. Patch 2.2 is more like 2.1.3.
Is there a good guide to the (new) Tal Rasha set somewhere? I'm a bit confused on what procs what - I mean, summoning a hydra seems to proc the arcane skill +damage bonus at least, but the meteors proc from hydra's attack, not from summoning it. Mirror Images don't seem to proc anything, though it is hard to be sure with the visual chaos that ensues when you have 4 of them up. Can Familiar proc anything? And so on and on.
It only procs from skills that are explicitly attacks. Hydra, Black Hole, Signature Spells, the Frost Nova - Frozen Mist, AP spenders. No buffs like familiar or buff damage count, and no CCs that don't primarily do damage count.
The common setup is Black Hole or Twister with seasonal bracer, Magic Missle, Hydra, and Meteor, but there are of course insane melee variations and such.
@rwextreme I hope you find a good SMK soon. Honestly, I was floored that mine rolled ancient. I think Jay Wilson took pity on me when I was around paragon 700 with only one 2k dps SMK. I was perfectly fine with my 2k SMK for support since it's hands down the best party buff weapon.
I kick myself every now and then for my decision back towards the end of S1. The SMK I have now with the low damage roll was my first ever and I gambled it from Kadala. It wasn't more than a half hour later in the same game that we were running grifts and a friend who would run zDPS when I wanted to play DH was in the game on their DH. We finished an upper 40's grift and I looted my second SMK and it rolled very well - nice damage, 35% crit. It would have been a very solid (by non ancient standards) SMK to roll % dmg on. They too hadn't found a SMK all season and were relying on Last Breath when running zDPS so I gave it to them. Apparently RNGesus also understands that no good deed goes unpunished.
Oh well, I was able to gamble zuni gloves and ancient zuni pants last night. Now I'll have something to look forward to when I get home tonight and try out some new builds.
I tried out the new Roland's. It's a huge step up over what I was using before. I'm just sad my Ancient Golden Flense still has the old, crappy roll of 4 wrath per hit. I really like On the Wings of Angels because it's +50% move speed for the party and you can keep it up basically all the time.
Wings of Angels is a great law. Sometimes I sport Condemn or Pet Sader builds with it. I wish I could cram it in more builds without sacrificing the slot for a DPS law or defensive law instead. Maybe the new set in 2.3 will give the effect of all base laws like Innas because that's some OP stuff right there.
My season 2 was alright, but I never did find the SMK I had hoped to. I dreamed of finding a nice ancient one but alas I'm still left with only a dream and spend a few moments each time I login pretending the ancient SMK that @SkyAndPie looted is really mine.
I was so sure that I was going to find an SMK for you. My crusader found a Rhen'Ho Flayer, a Ukhapian Serpent, a Thing of the Deep, a Shukrani's Triumph, a Tall Man's Finger, a Carnevil...
Yeah, the entire point of the story of RoS was keeping Diablo (the Lord of Terror) relevant in his own game series. RoS gave them yet another opportunity to bring Diablo back again.
I have to imagine we'll get one more xpac. Otherwise the ending of RoS is the most underwhelming thing ever.
You think that another expansion wouldn't end with a big fat "Oops, you didn't actually defeat Evil after all" button?
I mean, I'd love to see our nephalim kick heaven's ass and hell's ass in an expansion, then end by telling both sides to get the fuck off of sanctuary.
But I'm guessing that Blizzard loves their hats made of money too much to just shut down one of their 3 IPs like that.
I don't think they'll retcon it. But I do think at some point, whether it's in expansion#2, or in a future Diablo game, there will be a quest/storyline to restore Tyrael's angelic status.
Edit: Malthael was the Archangel of Wisdom. In his absence, I would say Tyrael was the "next wisest" dude around.
So, uh... New Orlash is fucking god awful bullshit. Jesus christ, I think he's now the worst RG. Especially because Bloodmaw was nerfed.
In attempting to "nerf" Orlash, they made him WORSE. He doesn't vanish and summon adds anymore. His melee attacks don't apply the healing debuff anymore. But instead he casts Lightning Breath. And that shit HURTS. You either have to outrange it (AND BOY DOES IT REACH FAR) or awkwardly pivot around him. He also casts Mirror Images, BUT THEY AREN'T ATTACKABLE. Which means that a set like Raekor's won't work on them. And those Mirror Images ALSO CAST LIGHTNING BREATH. He still teleports to you. His melee attacks still hit really fucking hard.
They took a non-interactive boss and made him slightly more interactive, but also non-interactive at the same time (Mirror Images = RUN THE FUCK AWAY). And also made him worse.
Goddamn.
Edit: Old Orlash wasn't even like, bad, I mean. He was annoying, and it's important to realize the difference. He had fixed aggro on you (couldn't be tanked by pets/follower), he'd disappear constantly (which was AWFUL for Firebird Wizards since the infinite dot reset everytime)... Yeah sure, often it meant auto fail for certain classes, but overall he was simply time-consuming and a hindrance. New Orlash is a completely different beast.
Double Edit: I forgot that New Orlash ALSO HAS WALLER FUCK EVERYTHING
Anyone for chaining some grifts tonight? Wanna start working on my tal rasha's build tonight, but I'll just be rolling standard firebird until I get a couple more pieces. Could use some people to roll with. Farming solo is a lot less palatable these days. Probably around 10ish EST? Maybe 930.
Anyone for chaining some grifts tonight? Wanna start working on my tal rasha's build tonight, but I'll just be rolling standard firebird until I get a couple more pieces. Could use some people to roll with. Farming solo is a lot less palatable these days. Probably around 10ish EST? Maybe 930.
I'll be on and have dozens and dozens of low 40's keys to spam while playing the key recycle game, maybe a handful of upper 30's keys left to. I'd prefer to run zDPS WD but could roll as DH as well. Depending on the rest of the group composition I can run either SMK or Solanium with my IAS and chc gear if there are resource hungry DHs in the group who crave health globes for faster clears.
does the cooldown of blackhole cause problems for you guys?
Today i ran with electrocute/magic missile/blizzard/meteor shower and it seemed to do pretty well. Ran as high as grift 45 in a group without issues (i know that isn't very high - I could definitely go higher with that current setup)
I have absolutely no keys at all, haha, so we'd unfortunately need to trial it up.
No worries, we'd just have to run one trial and get a key higher than the lowest I have stacks of. Then we play the key recycle game. Run the grift, at the end everyone chooses to upgrade their key and then I plug in one of my low 40's keys again and everyone else is asked if they want to downgrade and use the key they just received from the prior grift.
Hm, how many of the delsere complimenting items do you actually need to run a delsere spec? Set, obviously. Slow time hat+triumvirate seem to be mandatory for a arcane orb build. Is gesture of orpheus also mandatory? Or is the cooldown of slow time low enough without it with the help of delsere set bonus?
does the cooldown of blackhole cause problems for you guys?
Today i ran with electrocute/magic missile/blizzard/meteor shower and it seemed to do pretty well. Ran as high as grift 45 in a group without issues (i know that isn't very high - I could definitely go higher with that current setup)
i'm not a big fan of BH with tals... i need my cycles off cooldowns in case you have to break up a fight and have to put up stacks again.
does the cooldown of blackhole cause problems for you guys?
Today i ran with electrocute/magic missile/blizzard/meteor shower and it seemed to do pretty well. Ran as high as grift 45 in a group without issues (i know that isn't very high - I could definitely go higher with that current setup)
i'm not a big fan of BH with tals... i need my cycles off cooldowns in case you have to break up a fight and have to put up stacks again.
Yeah this is how I feel
I'm running with no cooldown skills right now. But I am still in the learning phase of playing with tals.
that reminds me....I should probably get rid of that diamond in my helm....
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Tonight my inventory trials continue. There is a real good chance I shard an entire page of my stash just to dump off the rest of my S2 gear.
does the cooldown of blackhole cause problems for you guys?
Today i ran with electrocute/magic missile/blizzard/meteor shower and it seemed to do pretty well. Ran as high as grift 45 in a group without issues (i know that isn't very high - I could definitely go higher with that current setup)
You can get Black Hole below a 6 second cooldown with about 50% CDR. 20% from Evocation, 12.5% from Diamond, 8% on Shoulders, 8% on Gloves... and then another 8% from somewhere else, either Ring or 10% on weapon. Obviously the more the better.
Should be manageable I think? I actually haven't gotten all my Tal'Rasha pieces yet so I don't know for sure. But the math says yes, so...
Anyone for chaining some grifts tonight? Wanna start working on my tal rasha's build tonight, but I'll just be rolling standard firebird until I get a couple more pieces. Could use some people to roll with. Farming solo is a lot less palatable these days. Probably around 10ish EST? Maybe 930.
I'll be on and have dozens and dozens of low 40's keys to spam while playing the key recycle game, maybe a handful of upper 30's keys left to. I'd prefer to run zDPS WD but could roll as DH as well. Depending on the rest of the group composition I can run either SMK or Solanium with my IAS and chc gear if there are resource hungry DHs in the group who crave health globes for faster clears.
I'll be on tonight and I'd love to run some grifts. I'm not sure I can handle 40+ with just IK6 so I might have to switch to Raekor. I also want to try out my Roland crusader at some point.
does the cooldown of blackhole cause problems for you guys?
Today i ran with electrocute/magic missile/blizzard/meteor shower and it seemed to do pretty well. Ran as high as grift 45 in a group without issues (i know that isn't very high - I could definitely go higher with that current setup)
Black Hole is all kinds of weird. I stopped using BH in groups a long time ago because trash/elites wouldn't die immediately. You would have to wait for it to stop "sucking" and then eject before you could officially kill it. For that fraction of time the elite is still spewing affixes and could kill you or your mates. It's the same situation when you don't have Permanent Akkarat's Champion; just a fraction of a second off permanent Akkarat's Champion will kill you. But this doesn't matter I guess if you're running with Tiklandian WD but it's something to keep in mind if you're not. Or if you're running the BH rune that absorbs affixes (assuming you aligned the BH cast correctly to gather that nasty stuff up).
does the cooldown of blackhole cause problems for you guys?
Today i ran with electrocute/magic missile/blizzard/meteor shower and it seemed to do pretty well. Ran as high as grift 45 in a group without issues (i know that isn't very high - I could definitely go higher with that current setup)
You can get Black Hole below a 6 second cooldown with about 50% CDR. 20% from Evocation, 12.5% from Diamond, 8% on Shoulders, 8% on Gloves... and then another 8% from somewhere else, either Ring or 10% on weapon. Obviously the more the better.
Should be manageable I think? I actually haven't gotten all my Tal'Rasha pieces yet so I don't know for sure. But the math says yes, so...
you CAN do this, yeah. is it worth it though? I dunno.
does the cooldown of blackhole cause problems for you guys?
Today i ran with electrocute/magic missile/blizzard/meteor shower and it seemed to do pretty well. Ran as high as grift 45 in a group without issues (i know that isn't very high - I could definitely go higher with that current setup)
Black Hole is all kinds of weird. I stopped using BH in groups a long time ago because trash/elites wouldn't die immediately. You would have to wait for it to stop "sucking" and then eject before you could officially kill it. For that fraction of time the elite is still spewing affixes and could kill you or your mates. It's the same situation when you don't have Permanent Akkarat's Champion; just a fraction of a second off permanent Akkarat's Champion will kill you. But this doesn't matter I guess if you're running with Tiklandian WD but it's something to keep in mind if you're not. Or if you're running the BH rune that absorbs affixes (assuming you aligned the BH cast correctly to gather that nasty stuff up).
yeah that is some kind of bug. Super annoying.
I'm trying to figure out what bracer I should use on my wizard right now. I'm using strongarms just because its what I have, but seems like it isn't ideal (what causes "knockbacks" other than BH for a wiz??).
When I get an ancient tals offhand (as opposed to my placeholder ancient Firebird) I was thinking maybe doing aughilds bracer + shoulder
Hm, how many of the delsere complimenting items do you actually need to run a delsere spec? Set, obviously. Slow time hat+triumvirate seem to be mandatory for a arcane orb build. Is gesture of orpheus also mandatory? Or is the cooldown of slow time low enough without it with the help of delsere set bonus?
I think the recommended way to go is actually drop the slow time hat and go full 6 piece Delsere + Focus/Restraint rings. Gesture of Orpheus with fire/cold damage% for more slow times or a sunkeeper for elite damage. You can sub Utar's Roar for frozen orb or Devastator for scorch orb as craftable starting weapons though. And yeah, Triumvirate is your source for sure.
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anything that does damage will proc the buff & meteor, cept hydra which just counts for the buff (I think mammoth might do both). familar bolts count for meteors but dunno about the buff.
I believe slow time can count for buff/meteor as well.
a lot of the ptr builds I saw did like shock orb for lightning (in conjunction with bastions of will), slow time or energy twister (w/ranslors) or familiar/arcanot(meteor only) for arcane, frost nova or blizzard for cold, and meteor swarm or hydra for fire.
I'm still learning myself. But, from what I can tell - passive damage sources (like magic weapon, or familiar) will proc the meteors but not the damage buff. I'm not sure about mirror images, I haven't tried those - I'd be interested in knowing that too.
basically looks like any damage type you do will proc the corresponding meteor. However the damage buffs only proc on you actually using a corresponding damage skill - like actually hitting a button and casting the spell.
so you're gonna need four skills to rotate for all of the above, leaving you two spots for magic weapon/shield/teleport or w/e. you could use teleport/calamity for arcane too.
For an alternative: Farts build is very, very strong now so finding a Dagger of Darts is feasible. I think Farts is on par with SMK (or possibly better in the ideal conditions) in 2.2 It does require a bit more fishing to find a perfect greater rift but the damage potential so amazing.
ARGH! They even mentioned in Tavern Talk. This makes me more furious! HULK SMASH!
The more and more that I think about this patch I realize it's just not finished at ALL. Patch 2.2 is more like 2.1.3.
you mean carnevil or just fetish pet army
I think some Witch Doctor who wrote the guide coined it "Farts"
It combines the word Darts and Fetish I guess.
LC: Arcane Orb / Frozen Orb
RC: Black Hole / Super Massive
1: Energy Armor / Prismatic Armor
2: Teleport / Wormhole
3: Hydra / Mammoth
4: Familiar / Arcanot
Pretty sure that will proc everything except for maybe the buff on Familiar. Everything else should provide Meteor and Buff on initial cast.
It only procs from skills that are explicitly attacks. Hydra, Black Hole, Signature Spells, the Frost Nova - Frozen Mist, AP spenders. No buffs like familiar or buff damage count, and no CCs that don't primarily do damage count.
The common setup is Black Hole or Twister with seasonal bracer, Magic Missle, Hydra, and Meteor, but there are of course insane melee variations and such.
I kick myself every now and then for my decision back towards the end of S1. The SMK I have now with the low damage roll was my first ever and I gambled it from Kadala. It wasn't more than a half hour later in the same game that we were running grifts and a friend who would run zDPS when I wanted to play DH was in the game on their DH. We finished an upper 40's grift and I looted my second SMK and it rolled very well - nice damage, 35% crit. It would have been a very solid (by non ancient standards) SMK to roll % dmg on. They too hadn't found a SMK all season and were relying on Last Breath when running zDPS so I gave it to them. Apparently RNGesus also understands that no good deed goes unpunished.
Oh well, I was able to gamble zuni gloves and ancient zuni pants last night. Now I'll have something to look forward to when I get home tonight and try out some new builds.
It's confusing because of Pox Faulds, which used to be a thing way back when. Everyone had "fart pants" on.
They never dropped for me until they weren't any good anymore. ='(
Wings of Angels is a great law. Sometimes I sport Condemn or Pet Sader builds with it. I wish I could cram it in more builds without sacrificing the slot for a DPS law or defensive law instead. Maybe the new set in 2.3 will give the effect of all base laws like Innas because that's some OP stuff right there.
I was so sure that I was going to find an SMK for you. My crusader found a Rhen'Ho Flayer, a Ukhapian Serpent, a Thing of the Deep, a Shukrani's Triumph, a Tall Man's Finger, a Carnevil...
I mean, I'd love to see our nephalim kick heaven's ass and hell's ass in an expansion, then end by telling both sides to get the fuck off of sanctuary.
But I'm guessing that Blizzard loves their hats made of money too much to just shut down one of their 3 IPs like that.
I'm also thoroughly expecting them to retcon mortal guy Tyrael too.
Turns out Earth was Sanctuary all along, and SC was a Diablo setting game the entire time. Troll the hell out of everyone.
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Edit: Malthael was the Archangel of Wisdom. In his absence, I would say Tyrael was the "next wisest" dude around.
In attempting to "nerf" Orlash, they made him WORSE. He doesn't vanish and summon adds anymore. His melee attacks don't apply the healing debuff anymore. But instead he casts Lightning Breath. And that shit HURTS. You either have to outrange it (AND BOY DOES IT REACH FAR) or awkwardly pivot around him. He also casts Mirror Images, BUT THEY AREN'T ATTACKABLE. Which means that a set like Raekor's won't work on them. And those Mirror Images ALSO CAST LIGHTNING BREATH. He still teleports to you. His melee attacks still hit really fucking hard.
They took a non-interactive boss and made him slightly more interactive, but also non-interactive at the same time (Mirror Images = RUN THE FUCK AWAY). And also made him worse.
Goddamn.
Edit: Old Orlash wasn't even like, bad, I mean. He was annoying, and it's important to realize the difference. He had fixed aggro on you (couldn't be tanked by pets/follower), he'd disappear constantly (which was AWFUL for Firebird Wizards since the infinite dot reset everytime)... Yeah sure, often it meant auto fail for certain classes, but overall he was simply time-consuming and a hindrance. New Orlash is a completely different beast.
Double Edit: I forgot that New Orlash ALSO HAS WALLER FUCK EVERYTHING
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I'll be on and have dozens and dozens of low 40's keys to spam while playing the key recycle game, maybe a handful of upper 30's keys left to. I'd prefer to run zDPS WD but could roll as DH as well. Depending on the rest of the group composition I can run either SMK or Solanium with my IAS and chc gear if there are resource hungry DHs in the group who crave health globes for faster clears.
does the cooldown of blackhole cause problems for you guys?
Today i ran with electrocute/magic missile/blizzard/meteor shower and it seemed to do pretty well. Ran as high as grift 45 in a group without issues (i know that isn't very high - I could definitely go higher with that current setup)
No worries, we'd just have to run one trial and get a key higher than the lowest I have stacks of. Then we play the key recycle game. Run the grift, at the end everyone chooses to upgrade their key and then I plug in one of my low 40's keys again and everyone else is asked if they want to downgrade and use the key they just received from the prior grift.
i'm not a big fan of BH with tals... i need my cycles off cooldowns in case you have to break up a fight and have to put up stacks again.
Yeah this is how I feel
I'm running with no cooldown skills right now. But I am still in the learning phase of playing with tals.
that reminds me....I should probably get rid of that diamond in my helm....
Which of course I will then proceed to shard.
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You can get Black Hole below a 6 second cooldown with about 50% CDR. 20% from Evocation, 12.5% from Diamond, 8% on Shoulders, 8% on Gloves... and then another 8% from somewhere else, either Ring or 10% on weapon. Obviously the more the better.
Should be manageable I think? I actually haven't gotten all my Tal'Rasha pieces yet so I don't know for sure. But the math says yes, so...
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I'll be on tonight and I'd love to run some grifts. I'm not sure I can handle 40+ with just IK6 so I might have to switch to Raekor. I also want to try out my Roland crusader at some point.
Black Hole is all kinds of weird. I stopped using BH in groups a long time ago because trash/elites wouldn't die immediately. You would have to wait for it to stop "sucking" and then eject before you could officially kill it. For that fraction of time the elite is still spewing affixes and could kill you or your mates. It's the same situation when you don't have Permanent Akkarat's Champion; just a fraction of a second off permanent Akkarat's Champion will kill you. But this doesn't matter I guess if you're running with Tiklandian WD but it's something to keep in mind if you're not. Or if you're running the BH rune that absorbs affixes (assuming you aligned the BH cast correctly to gather that nasty stuff up).
It dropping off is probably a deal breaker for me. Nothing on earth sounds more tedious than having to refresh all four stacks every 6 seconds.
you CAN do this, yeah. is it worth it though? I dunno.
yeah that is some kind of bug. Super annoying.
I'm trying to figure out what bracer I should use on my wizard right now. I'm using strongarms just because its what I have, but seems like it isn't ideal (what causes "knockbacks" other than BH for a wiz??).
When I get an ancient tals offhand (as opposed to my placeholder ancient Firebird) I was thinking maybe doing aughilds bracer + shoulder
It drops off. In reality you were going to recast all that shit anyways so it isn't a big deal.
I think the recommended way to go is actually drop the slow time hat and go full 6 piece Delsere + Focus/Restraint rings. Gesture of Orpheus with fire/cold damage% for more slow times or a sunkeeper for elite damage. You can sub Utar's Roar for frozen orb or Devastator for scorch orb as craftable starting weapons though. And yeah, Triumvirate is your source for sure.
it is a huge damage increase. Massive.