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My Barcelona game is currently going pretty well, but I took Granada from the Muslims and now if I make military moves anywhere else on the peninsula, suffer an uprising, or am declared war on by one my christian neighbors, the Abbasids and anyone else still left on the spanish peninsula immediately declare war to take it back. You just wait you heretical curs...I'll be taking the rest of your holdings soon enough.
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Soooo..... it's been about a 12 - 14 months since I last played this, with the old gods, sons of abraham and a bunch of unit and song packs installed. I have since expanded the game almost fully (not picked up horse lords) and having lost my previous saves need to start a new game. I am now utterly lost at sea; I thought I had a handle on the game when I left off but it seems like everything is completely different now!
Has anyone got some sound advice? Or some easily digestible tutorials highlighting the changes?
Edit: I am really going to miss my last game and the technological leader of the world: The glorious and ever ready for a fight (in-fighting included) Kingdom Scotland.
Soooo..... it's been about a 12 - 14 months since I last played this, with the old gods and a bunch of unit and song packs installed. I have since expanded the game almost fully (not picked up horse lords) and having lost my previous saves need to start a new game. I am now utterly lost at sea; I thought I had a handle on the game when I left off but it seems like everything is completely different now!
Has anyone got some sound advice? Or some easily digestible tutorials highlighting the changes?
Some places have changed more than others. Is there a specific region and time or ruler you're trying to figure out?
Soon... Though I wish the AI was smart enough to realize that when any one of the Christian rulers on the peninsula is defending or going on the offensive against the muslims, it behooves the rest of the Catholics to join in. Unfortunately I'll have to wait on any more land wars as I reinforce my home demesne, which will give me 3 castles but will mean revoking a title while I've already got a dangerous faction simmering.
Soon... Though I wish the AI was smart enough to realize that when any one of the Christian rulers on the peninsula is defending or going on the offensive against the muslims, it behooves the rest of the Catholics to join in. Unfortunately I'll have to wait on any more land wars as I reinforce my home demesne, which will give me 3 castles but will mean revoking a title while I've already got a dangerous faction simmering.
That isn't really true though. You might prefer your neighbor-rivals to be focused on the Muslim threat next door instead of having them suddenly grow in power to challenge or even eclipse you.
Self-interest is the name of this game. Though of course someone with the Zealous trait should probably answer the call whenever possible (perhaps they do?).
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Soon... Though I wish the AI was smart enough to realize that when any one of the Christian rulers on the peninsula is defending or going on the offensive against the muslims, it behooves the rest of the Catholics to join in. Unfortunately I'll have to wait on any more land wars as I reinforce my home demesne, which will give me 3 castles but will mean revoking a title while I've already got a dangerous faction simmering.
That isn't really true though. You might prefer your neighbor-rivals to be focused on the Muslim threat next door instead of having them suddenly grow in power to challenge or even eclipse you.
Self-interest is the name of this game. Though of course someone with the Zealous trait should probably answer the call whenever possible (perhaps they do?).
It's getting to the point that I can't really be challenged on the peninsula by the other Catholics. The Almoravids (I was wrong calling them Abbasids) OTOH can still mount considerable difficulties for all of us. I'd rather we work as a team to chase them off and then we can get on to the petty scrabbling for territories. Though you do have a point, as the muslim threat is at least keeping the Kingdom of Castille from annoying me.
Fellow neighboring catholics should always join in your defense assuming they aren't already in a war. (Or they don't absolutely hate your guts.) If they're already in a war they won't come in until it's over, and if their levies are really depleted from said war they might not even come in then.
Also... the Catholic blob has now conquered Persia in the form of a titular empire formed by the Cumanians. The Sejuks still control most of the land down there, but now they're catholic.
Fellow neighboring catholics should always join in your defense assuming they aren't already in a war. (Or they don't absolutely hate your guts.) If they're already in a war they won't come in until it's over, and if their levies are really depleted from said war they might not even come in then.
Also... the Catholic blob has now conquered Persia in the form of a titular empire formed by the Cumanians. The Sejuks still control most of the land down there, but now they're catholic.
I have never seen that.
Over 2000 hours in CK2, and I have never seen that.
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I'll get a screenshot of the current Sekjuk ruler later. I suspect he'll declare independence after his current emperor dies. He's way stronger than his liege but he loves the guy.
I had put the game aside for a while after being frustrated with the Mongol expansion. But somehow, just seeing the Paradox symbol up there for their Steam sale drew me back in. I started as the Count of Nantes, and went a-Viking. Conquered Wessex via invasion. Conquered the British isles. Ran into a speed bump when the Knight showed up and every little Christian lord could summon up huge amounts of heavy cavelry. Invested in pikeman retinues, restored the snores faith, declared Great Holy War for France, won, became unstoppable.
My expansion eastward was unstoppable. No power could stand before me. Spain and then Africa were conquered by my vassals when I wasn't looking. I chose to allow the Eastern Roman Empire to survive, though my vassals made no such promises. Ever eastward I drove, conquering all before me in the name of Odin. Until I ran into a force that even I could not easily overcome: other Norse.
Seriously, lack of Holy War and Conquest CBs have ground my progress to a halt. The entire damn steppe region is going Norse. This is getting painful. They need to convert to an inferior religion so that I can conquer them.
Civics is not a consumer product that you can ignore because you don’t like the options presented.
I had put the game aside for a while after being frustrated with the Mongol expansion. But somehow, just seeing the Paradox symbol up there for their Steam sale drew me back in. I started as the Count of Nantes, and went a-Viking. Conquered Wessex via invasion. Conquered the British isles. Ran into a speed bump when the Knight showed up and every little Christian lord could summon up huge amounts of heavy cavelry. Invested in pikeman retinues, restored the snores faith, declared Great Holy War for France, won, became unstoppable.
My expansion eastward was unstoppable. No power could stand before me. Spain and then Africa were conquered by my vassals when I wasn't looking. I chose to allow the Eastern Roman Empire to survive, though my vassals made no such promises. Ever eastward I drove, conquering all before me in the name of Odin. Until I ran into a force that even I could not easily overcome: other Norse.
Seriously, lack of Holy War and Conquest CBs have ground my progress to a halt. The entire damn steppe region is going Norse. This is getting painful. They need to convert to an inferior religion so that I can conquer them.
I had put the game aside for a while after being frustrated with the Mongol expansion. But somehow, just seeing the Paradox symbol up there for their Steam sale drew me back in. I started as the Count of Nantes, and went a-Viking. Conquered Wessex via invasion. Conquered the British isles. Ran into a speed bump when the Knight showed up and every little Christian lord could summon up huge amounts of heavy cavelry. Invested in pikeman retinues, restored the snores faith, declared Great Holy War for France, won, became unstoppable.
My expansion eastward was unstoppable. No power could stand before me. Spain and then Africa were conquered by my vassals when I wasn't looking. I chose to allow the Eastern Roman Empire to survive, though my vassals made no such promises. Ever eastward I drove, conquering all before me in the name of Odin. Until I ran into a force that even I could not easily overcome: other Norse.
Seriously, lack of Holy War and Conquest CBs have ground my progress to a halt. The entire damn steppe region is going Norse. This is getting painful. They need to convert to an inferior religion so that I can conquer them.
You can't even get towards Afghanistan and India?
I'm currently digging my way through the Abassids. I've got Egypt and Jerusalem, and I'm waiting on the cooldown of my Great Holy War while I use claiments to chip away at the Snores in the North.
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Why is it that none of my CK2 saves are available to me after a reinstall, despite the fact that the game always synched with the Steam Cloud after I played it?
So I decided to be just straight silly with a create a character to see how dedaly a warrior I could make and on a whim took possessed since it gave me a +1 to my personal combat value.
Cue a hilarious event where my character turns into a werewolf, goes on a run, and apparently eats the king of bulgaria.
I am so deadly folks, that I can actually murder people in my sleep.
Also: playing as a nomad is super fun, though getting my moral authority up is a pain in the ass.
Attacked a nomad leader because hey he has like half the number of troops I have!
But like, nomads don't count all their vassals troops or something in their total like feudal lords? Because one of his vassals was some kind of priest-king and he had like four times the troops his liege had, never mind a ton more than I had.
Rather painful, but it was a whole duchy I was trying to claim. It's the first real major setback in this Zunbil playthrough, so hopefully it's not more than a speedbump.
Attacked a nomad leader because hey he has like half the number of troops I have!
But like, nomads don't count all their vassals troops or something in their total like feudal lords? Because one of his vassals was some kind of priest-king and he had like four times the troops his liege had, never mind a ton more than I had.
Rather painful, but it was a whole duchy I was trying to claim. It's the first real major setback in this Zunbil playthrough, so hopefully it's not more than a speedbump.
Yeah it is messy attacking tribal realms because of this. They call vassals to war directly instead of getting a levy. You need to actually look in their realm tree to see if there are heavy hitters, they are very unlikely to refuse to join a war, it is like 150 prestige penalty.
I keep getting confused when people say 'pay off vassals'. Is that another way to say frame them for a crime, imprison and execute them?
Also I can't believe you get kinslayer for sacrificing your children in blots.
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I got forced out of my entire demense through Elective Gavelkind, I thought this wasn't supposed to happen anymore - I was left with a single country which was automatically revoked from one of my vassals (and completely unupgraded)
Worst thing is I didn't even choose my heir, all my vassals voted for him and I died suddenly
Now the king of Denmark who is still tribal put tribal holdings over all my feudal holdings and gave those to barons, I suddenly understand everyone who had issues with Gavelkind in the past much better
Yeah gavelkind can work okay if you have a standard structured kingdom but otherwise it gets a bit wonkey. The way it auto creates any kingdoms you can create is pretty bad. It is the main reason to convert to feudalism.
One of the funny things about being both a top level ruler and head of a religion is when heresy happens you are the recipient of both sides of some of the events. One of the choices I got was to pay myself 100 gold or give myself 200 prestige.
Does anyone know how to get my half brother to stop trying to seduce me? He hates me because my character is a homosexual and he is not, although the half brother does have two other male lovers. I would not mind but it keeps happening like every damn month.
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Yeah gavelkind can work okay if you have a standard structured kingdom but otherwise it gets a bit wonkey. The way it auto creates any kingdoms you can create is pretty bad. It is the main reason to convert to feudalism.
One of the funny things about being both a top level ruler and head of a religion is when heresy happens you are the recipient of both sides of some of the events. One of the choices I got was to pay myself 100 gold or give myself 200 prestige.
Does anyone know how to get my half brother to stop trying to seduce me? He hates me because my character is a homosexual and he is not, although the half brother does have two other male lovers. I would not mind but it keeps happening like every damn month.
Does anyone know how to get my half brother to stop trying to seduce me? He hates me because my character is a homosexual and he is not, although the half brother does have two other male lovers. I would not mind but it keeps happening like every damn month.
Murder him.
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Does anyone know how to get my half brother to stop trying to seduce me? He hates me because my character is a homosexual and he is not, although the half brother does have two other male lovers. I would not mind but it keeps happening like every damn month.
Murder him.
This solves practically any problem in CK2.
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I'm gonna have to try a write up later but at the moment my dynasty is running the Byzantine Empire likes its the damn mafia.
I'm gonna have to try a write up later but at the moment my dynasty is running the Byzantine Empire likes its the damn mafia.
Byzantium/Rome is great fun. So much backstabbery, and then you stomp the impertinent Mongols and/or Aztecs when they show up. You're your own worst enemy, not some external force.
Provided you've actually managed to rebuild.
I took a legit stab at taking over the whole map as Byzantium, though it was before India. I got SPQR and stopped soon after though, it was a bit too much of a slog.
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I'm gonna have to try a write up later but at the moment my dynasty is running the Byzantine Empire likes its the damn mafia.
Byzantium/Rome is great fun. So much backstabbery, and then you stomp the impertinent Mongols and/or Aztecs when they show up. You're your own worst enemy, not some external force.
Provided you've actually managed to rebuild.
I might've castrated a caliph and caused the entire caliphate to fall apart in like twenty revolts cause he had no heirs and a bunch of brothers in pretty wealthy spots.
It went, if I'm remembering correctly.
1.) Caliph is assassinated by an unknown party, brother that is probably the unknown party (20 int) becomes Caliph
2.) Egypt declares an independence revolt
3.) Next Caliph died in a battle with Egypt
3.5) His heir had a diplomacy stat of 1. I assume that helped everything to fall apart.
4.) The Shia Caliph shows up -finally- and actually managed to carve out Persia for himself by the time this is all over
5.) Anyone who was related to the first Caliph guy is basically revolting for the throne or independence.
My biggest gripe with CKII right now is the invisible armies that pop up in India where suddenly your foe who only had 750 men when you invaded him shows up with 8000 men you can't explain because no mercenary companies have been hired. And shows up and immediately stops you into the ground.
But yes, Byzantine becomes a huge butt-pain slog, which is why I like to start those games as a Count or Doux and fight my way onto the throne.
But everything becomes a huge slog at some point. I find them all rather boring and tedious, but the Byzantine one has the double advantage of being the primary target of the muslim empires, which slows things to a crawl.
My biggest gripe with CKII right now is the invisible armies that pop up in India where suddenly your foe who only had 750 men when you invaded him shows up with 8000 men you can't explain because no mercenary companies have been hired. And shows up and immediately stops you into the ground.
But yes, Byzantine becomes a huge butt-pain slog, which is why I like to start those games as a Count or Doux and fight my way onto the throne.
But everything becomes a huge slog at some point. I find them all rather boring and tedious, but the Byzantine one has the double advantage of being the primary target of the muslim empires, which slows things to a crawl.
India has holy orders too and they can call them from the start of the earliest start date. They also have elephants.
And being the emperor is boring. I just insure my dynastic name is on the throne and act as the power from behind the throne. This means I'm usually picking the family focus so I can be considered the dynastic head. The guys I play are almost always the spymaster or the court chaplain.
My biggest gripe with CKII right now is the invisible armies that pop up in India where suddenly your foe who only had 750 men when you invaded him shows up with 8000 men you can't explain because no mercenary companies have been hired. And shows up and immediately stops you into the ground.
But yes, Byzantine becomes a huge butt-pain slog, which is why I like to start those games as a Count or Doux and fight my way onto the throne.
But everything becomes a huge slog at some point. I find them all rather boring and tedious, but the Byzantine one has the double advantage of being the primary target of the muslim empires, which slows things to a crawl.
India has holy orders too and they can call them from the start of the earliest start date. They also have elephants.
And being the emperor is boring. I just insure my dynastic name is on the throne and act as the power from behind the throne. This means I'm usually picking the family focus so I can be considered the dynastic head. The guys I play are almost always the spymaster or the court chaplain.
Doing this with an elected empire is pretty sweet because it tends to be very stable at the top level, and you can occasionally be thrust back into the big seat from time to time. Duel your rival, plot to get your distant cousin onto the throne of Bulgaria, join a crusade, summon an elder god. Just sit back and relax you know.
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Has anyone got some sound advice? Or some easily digestible tutorials highlighting the changes?
Edit: I am really going to miss my last game and the technological leader of the world: The glorious and ever ready for a fight (in-fighting included) Kingdom Scotland.
Some places have changed more than others. Is there a specific region and time or ruler you're trying to figure out?
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Soon... Though I wish the AI was smart enough to realize that when any one of the Christian rulers on the peninsula is defending or going on the offensive against the muslims, it behooves the rest of the Catholics to join in. Unfortunately I'll have to wait on any more land wars as I reinforce my home demesne, which will give me 3 castles but will mean revoking a title while I've already got a dangerous faction simmering.
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Self-interest is the name of this game. Though of course someone with the Zealous trait should probably answer the call whenever possible (perhaps they do?).
It's getting to the point that I can't really be challenged on the peninsula by the other Catholics. The Almoravids (I was wrong calling them Abbasids) OTOH can still mount considerable difficulties for all of us. I'd rather we work as a team to chase them off and then we can get on to the petty scrabbling for territories. Though you do have a point, as the muslim threat is at least keeping the Kingdom of Castille from annoying me.
Also... the Catholic blob has now conquered Persia in the form of a titular empire formed by the Cumanians. The Sejuks still control most of the land down there, but now they're catholic.
I have never seen that.
Over 2000 hours in CK2, and I have never seen that.
Yeah, vikings are pretty much the new easy mode.
I had put the game aside for a while after being frustrated with the Mongol expansion. But somehow, just seeing the Paradox symbol up there for their Steam sale drew me back in. I started as the Count of Nantes, and went a-Viking. Conquered Wessex via invasion. Conquered the British isles. Ran into a speed bump when the Knight showed up and every little Christian lord could summon up huge amounts of heavy cavelry. Invested in pikeman retinues, restored the snores faith, declared Great Holy War for France, won, became unstoppable.
My expansion eastward was unstoppable. No power could stand before me. Spain and then Africa were conquered by my vassals when I wasn't looking. I chose to allow the Eastern Roman Empire to survive, though my vassals made no such promises. Ever eastward I drove, conquering all before me in the name of Odin. Until I ran into a force that even I could not easily overcome: other Norse.
Seriously, lack of Holy War and Conquest CBs have ground my progress to a halt. The entire damn steppe region is going Norse. This is getting painful. They need to convert to an inferior religion so that I can conquer them.
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You can't even get towards Afghanistan and India?
I'm currently digging my way through the Abassids. I've got Egypt and Jerusalem, and I'm waiting on the cooldown of my Great Holy War while I use claiments to chip away at the Snores in the North.
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Cue a hilarious event where my character turns into a werewolf, goes on a run, and apparently eats the king of bulgaria.
I am so deadly folks, that I can actually murder people in my sleep.
Also: playing as a nomad is super fun, though getting my moral authority up is a pain in the ass.
But like, nomads don't count all their vassals troops or something in their total like feudal lords? Because one of his vassals was some kind of priest-king and he had like four times the troops his liege had, never mind a ton more than I had.
Rather painful, but it was a whole duchy I was trying to claim. It's the first real major setback in this Zunbil playthrough, so hopefully it's not more than a speedbump.
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Yeah it is messy attacking tribal realms because of this. They call vassals to war directly instead of getting a levy. You need to actually look in their realm tree to see if there are heavy hitters, they are very unlikely to refuse to join a war, it is like 150 prestige penalty.
I keep getting confused when people say 'pay off vassals'. Is that another way to say frame them for a crime, imprison and execute them?
Also I can't believe you get kinslayer for sacrificing your children in blots.
Worst thing is I didn't even choose my heir, all my vassals voted for him and I died suddenly
Now the king of Denmark who is still tribal put tribal holdings over all my feudal holdings and gave those to barons, I suddenly understand everyone who had issues with Gavelkind in the past much better
One of the funny things about being both a top level ruler and head of a religion is when heresy happens you are the recipient of both sides of some of the events. One of the choices I got was to pay myself 100 gold or give myself 200 prestige.
Does anyone know how to get my half brother to stop trying to seduce me? He hates me because my character is a homosexual and he is not, although the half brother does have two other male lovers. I would not mind but it keeps happening like every damn month.
IIIIIIII don't know how to loooooove hiiiiim.
Murder him.
This solves practically any problem in CK2.
Byzantium/Rome is great fun. So much backstabbery, and then you stomp the impertinent Mongols and/or Aztecs when they show up. You're your own worst enemy, not some external force.
Provided you've actually managed to rebuild.
I might've castrated a caliph and caused the entire caliphate to fall apart in like twenty revolts cause he had no heirs and a bunch of brothers in pretty wealthy spots.
It went, if I'm remembering correctly.
1.) Caliph is assassinated by an unknown party, brother that is probably the unknown party (20 int) becomes Caliph
2.) Egypt declares an independence revolt
3.) Next Caliph died in a battle with Egypt
3.5) His heir had a diplomacy stat of 1. I assume that helped everything to fall apart.
4.) The Shia Caliph shows up -finally- and actually managed to carve out Persia for himself by the time this is all over
5.) Anyone who was related to the first Caliph guy is basically revolting for the throne or independence.
6.) Caliphate no longer exists.
But yes, Byzantine becomes a huge butt-pain slog, which is why I like to start those games as a Count or Doux and fight my way onto the throne.
But everything becomes a huge slog at some point. I find them all rather boring and tedious, but the Byzantine one has the double advantage of being the primary target of the muslim empires, which slows things to a crawl.
India has holy orders too and they can call them from the start of the earliest start date. They also have elephants.
And being the emperor is boring. I just insure my dynastic name is on the throne and act as the power from behind the throne. This means I'm usually picking the family focus so I can be considered the dynastic head. The guys I play are almost always the spymaster or the court chaplain.
Doing this with an elected empire is pretty sweet because it tends to be very stable at the top level, and you can occasionally be thrust back into the big seat from time to time. Duel your rival, plot to get your distant cousin onto the throne of Bulgaria, join a crusade, summon an elder god. Just sit back and relax you know.