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Guitar Hero 3 set for fall w/ ONLINE MULTI; Wii version to have DLC, guitar add-on

LunkerLunker Registered User regular
edited April 2007 in Games and Technology
Holy crap yes. Just saw this and I pooped myself. Red Octane now confirms that GH3 is coming this fall for the PS2, PS3, Wii and 360. But "online play" is really vague: does it mean leaderboards or full-on co-op? I'd think the latter would conflict with EA/Harmonix's Rock Band.

And more important, we can put to rest the "guitar shell" debate. :wink:
In an interview with IGN UK, Red Octane co-founder and president Kai Huang not only reconfirms that Guitar Hero 3 is headed for the Wii, 360, PS3 and PS2 (information that was found and subsequently pulled from RO's site last week), but also says that the much-speculated-upon Wii version will in fact use a guitar-shaped controller peripheral instead of solely relying on the Wii standard controllers. He also revealed that the Wii version will have downloadable content and even mentions "online play," although whether this means active online play with other people or passive online leaderboard activity (as in Guitar Hero 2 360) is unclear.

This would be the first non-VC Wii game that allows for a microtransaction to add new content to an existing game.

From the IGN UK article:
While the development team is still exploring innovative ways to use the remote, Kai Huang told us: "We are really excited about the Wii game because there are so many options for the Wii remote. However, you will play the game with a guitar peripheral and it will be similar to a guitar you've seen in the past."

He also confirmed that Guitar Hero III on Wii contains features included in other versions of the upcoming game—such as online play and downloadable music.

EDIT: So Gamespot is reporting that the "online play" is, infact, co-op and competitive online play.

Color me fucking stoked.

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  • Kemal86Kemal86 Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Lunker wrote: »
    Holy crap yes. Just saw this and I pooped myself. Red Octane now confirms that GH3 is coming this fall for the PS2, PS3, Wii and 360. But "online play" is really vague: does it mean leaderboards or full-on co-op? I'd think the latter would conflict with EA/Harmonix's Rock Band.

    And more important, we can put to rest the "guitar shell" debate. :wink:
    In an interview with IGN UK, Red Octane co-founder and president Kai Huang not only reconfirms that Guitar Hero 3 is headed for the Wii, 360, PS3 and PS2 (information that was found and subsequently pulled from RO's site last week), but also says that the much-speculated-upon Wii version will in fact use a guitar-shaped controller peripheral instead of solely relying on the Wii standard controllers. He also revealed that the Wii version will have downloadable content and even mentions "online play," although whether this means active online play with other people or passive online leaderboard activity (as in Guitar Hero 2 360) is unclear.

    This would be the first non-VC Wii game that allows for a microtransaction to add new content to an existing game.

    From the IGN UK article:
    While the development team is still exploring innovative ways to use the remote, Kai Huang told us: "We are really excited about the Wii game because there are so many options for the Wii remote. However, you will play the game with a guitar peripheral and it will be similar to a guitar you've seen in the past."

    He also confirmed that Guitar Hero III on Wii contains features included in other versions of the upcoming game—such as online play and downloadable music.


    It can "conflict" all it wants - EA/Harmonix's Rock Band has nothing to do with RedOctane, Activision, and NeverSoft's Guitar Hero 3, from what I understand.

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  • NarianNarian Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Wii + online + DLC = New pants.

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  • DusdaDusda is ashamed of this post SLC, UTRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Okay, so that means I have no reason to buy GH2, then. What exactly is the point of releasing two 360 versions of the game within 6-8 months of each other? I thought this was what downloadable content was supposed to solve.

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  • BTPBTP Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    DLC? With only 512MB of memory available?

    If it's going to be anything like what's happening with 360, I'll have no problem going without DLC.

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  • FireflashFireflash Montreal, QCRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Dusda wrote: »
    Okay, so that means I have no reason to buy GH2, then. What exactly is the point of releasing two 360 versions of the game within 6-8 months of each other? I thought this was what downloadable content was supposed to solve.

    Maybe all we'll get as far as DLC goes for GH2 is GH1 songs, and then be forced to purchase GH3 for new new songs.

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  • ImranImran Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Dusda wrote: »
    Okay, so that means I have no reason to buy GH2, then. What exactly is the point of releasing two 360 versions of the game within 6-8 months of each other?
    $$$

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  • DusdaDusda is ashamed of this post SLC, UTRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Fireflash wrote: »
    Dusda wrote: »
    Okay, so that means I have no reason to buy GH2, then. What exactly is the point of releasing two 360 versions of the game within 6-8 months of each other? I thought this was what downloadable content was supposed to solve.

    Maybe all we'll get as far as DLC goes for GH2 is GH1 songs, and then be forced to purchase GH3 for new new songs.

    Exactly. That is fucking gay. There is absolutely no reason that I should have to buy an additional retail release of Guitar Hero. If they want to release a new edition in the fall, which contains GH1, 2, and DLC up to that point as a kind of a value pack, thats fine. But I know that is not what GH3 will be. It will probably be a (partially) different set of songs, with enough new features to make GH2 feel old.

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  • quovadis13quovadis13 Registered User regular
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  • LunkerLunker Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Dusda wrote: »
    Fireflash wrote: »
    Dusda wrote: »
    Okay, so that means I have no reason to buy GH2, then. What exactly is the point of releasing two 360 versions of the game within 6-8 months of each other? I thought this was what downloadable content was supposed to solve.

    Maybe all we'll get as far as DLC goes for GH2 is GH1 songs, and then be forced to purchase GH3 for new new songs.

    Exactly. That is fucking gay. There is absolutely no reason that I should have to buy an additional retail release of Guitar Hero. If they want to release a new edition in the fall, which contains GH1, 2, and DLC up to that point as a kind of a value pack, thats fine. But I know that is not what GH3 will be. It will probably be a (partially) different set of songs, with enough new features to make GH2 feel old.
    This was the main reason I wasn't 100 percent sold on the "GH3 in the fall" news earlier, but I guess Deepthroat was right: Follow the money.

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  • noir_bloodnoir_blood Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I never thought I would say this, but this news kinda fall in the "meh" side of things. I'm one of those people that bought GH for the 360(traded my ps2, both games, and the guitar), and like others have pointed out, the DLC has really left a sour taste in my mouth. More importantly than that, I'm really going to have to wait and see what songs they manage to get this time around, and compare them to Rock Band. I'm not above buying both games of course, but right now, if forced, I would pick Rock Band over GH.

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  • Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    man, between those Guitar Hero commercials and Madden 07 I'm never going to get "Woman" by Wolfmother out of my head.

    and let this be a lesson to you, activision. nerds will turn on you at the drop of a hat.

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  • twmjrtwmjr Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    This makes me happy in the pants. Since I only have a Wii, I've been waiting/hoping for GH3 on it, not to mention with the same features as the other releases. :D

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  • ZekZek Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Yeah, I don't know about this. I was thinking about getting GH2 in the near future but now I'm not sure. There's a possibility I'll get this on the Wii depending on features and pricing, and I don't want to buy the controller twice. Also, if they release GH1/GH2 songs via DLC or on the disc then I would rather have them all in one game. This is all assuming that Neversoft doesn't screw it up, of course.

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  • PataPata Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Lets hope they let you download the songs and run them from the SD card.

    If so then yay.

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  • apotheosapotheos Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited April 2007
    If they aren't doing anything fancy with the Wiimote - which to me is what a guitar accessory for Wii implies - I see no reason to give it any preference.

    Although I guess the wireless would be neat.

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  • Anime OwnsAnime Owns Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    BTP wrote: »
    DLC? With only 512MB of memory available?

    If it's going to be anything like what's happening with 360, I'll have no problem going without DLC.

    Wasn't a USB hard drive confirmed for the Wii not too long ago?

    I'd suspect that would be available by the time this is out.

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  • DusdaDusda is ashamed of this post SLC, UTRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Lunker wrote: »
    Dusda wrote: »
    Fireflash wrote: »
    Dusda wrote: »
    Okay, so that means I have no reason to buy GH2, then. What exactly is the point of releasing two 360 versions of the game within 6-8 months of each other? I thought this was what downloadable content was supposed to solve.

    Maybe all we'll get as far as DLC goes for GH2 is GH1 songs, and then be forced to purchase GH3 for new new songs.

    Exactly. That is fucking gay. There is absolutely no reason that I should have to buy an additional retail release of Guitar Hero. If they want to release a new edition in the fall, which contains GH1, 2, and DLC up to that point as a kind of a value pack, thats fine. But I know that is not what GH3 will be. It will probably be a (partially) different set of songs, with enough new features to make GH2 feel old.
    This was the main reason I wasn't 100 percent sold on the "GH3 in the fall" news earlier, but I guess Deepthroat was right: Follow the money.

    *sigh* I understand the financial aspects of it, but why not release a DLC update for GH2 to add the new content/features? Let the average consumer purchase GH3 on the holiday season, and let us embrace microtransactions. They could drop new songs in seperate DLC packs between now and this fall, and offer the big update on the same day as GH3's release. It could cost me $30 in microtransactions between now and fall, and I wouldn't mind, because I'd know I wouldn't have to put up with the same bullshit EA pulls with their sports games every year.

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  • PataPata Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    apotheos wrote: »
    If they aren't doing anything fancy with the Wiimote - which to me is what a guitar accessory for Wii implies - I see no reason to give it any preference.

    Well, it means that there won't be a need to pull out the PS2 when wanting to play Guitar Hero with friends and family. :P

    Wii Sports and Guitar Hero in one system? Party madness.

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  • LunkerLunker Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    noir_blood wrote: »
    I never thought I would say this, but this news kinda fall in the "meh" side of things. I'm one of those people that bought GH for the 360(traded my ps2, both games, and the guitar), and like others have pointed out, the DLC has really left a sour taste in my mouth. More importantly than that, I'm really going to have to wait and see what songs they manage to get this time around, and compare them to Rock Band. I'm not above buying both games of course, but right now, if forced, I would pick Rock Band over GH.
    From a sales perspective, I'm really curious to see how GH3 turns out:

    • PS3-only and Wii-only gamers will have their first crack at the franchise
    • 360-only gamers may sting from having just bought GH2, but a lot of people will buy the game solo and it could be a good incentive to get that second guitar
    • PS2 gamers probably won't have DLC options, but they do have the megahuge install base
    • And on top of all of it, Rock Band could sway buyers away
    apotheos wrote:
    If they aren't doing anything fancy with the Wiimote - which to me is what a guitar accessory for Wii implies - I see no reason to give it any preference.

    Although I guess the wireless would be neat.
    Tucking the Wiimote into your back pocket while rocking out gives the realistic feeling of a wireless guitar setup on-stage, I guess. :) And online play would be cool, but at the rate the DLC is coming out for GH2 I may be better off just sticking with my dual-guitar PS2 setup.

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  • FaceballMcDougalFaceballMcDougal Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Dusda wrote: »
    Okay, so that means I have no reason to buy GH2, then. What exactly is the point of releasing two 360 versions of the game within 6-8 months of each other? I thought this was what downloadable content was supposed to solve.

    Well... considering the price of DLC songs... do you really want to just buy one version and fill it with hundreds of songs?

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  • DirtyDirty Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Yeah, the Wii can't access your channels directly from the SD card, but Wii games can directly access the SD card (Excitetruck plays your music straight from the card).

    Now the only question is where we're plugging this guitar in at, the Wii Remote or the GCN controller port? I secretly hope its the GCN controller port, since you would be able to use a PS2>GCN controller dongle (which I already have) and use your existing PS2 guitar controllers.

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  • FunkyWaltDoggFunkyWaltDogg Columbia, SCRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Frickin' yes

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  • Vincent GraysonVincent Grayson Frederick, MDRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Given the price of the XBL DLC, I'd rather buy GH3 with 60-70 songs for $60 than buy 3 song packs at $6.25 a piece.

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  • Mace1370Mace1370 Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I'm still a little bit confused about the Wii controller.
    We are really excited about the Wii game because there are so many options for the Wii remote. However, you will play the game with a guitar peripheral and it will be similar to a guitar you've seen in the past.

    So they are excited about what the Wii controller can do... but won't be using it?

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  • scootchscootch Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Fireflash wrote: »
    Dusda wrote: »
    Okay, so that means I have no reason to buy GH2, then. What exactly is the point of releasing two 360 versions of the game within 6-8 months of each other? I thought this was what downloadable content was supposed to solve.

    Maybe all we'll get as far as DLC goes for GH2 is GH1 songs, and then be forced to purchase GH3 for new new songs.

    at the price they're charging? I think you'll be better off with GH3....

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  • DirtyDirty Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Dusda wrote:
    Okay, so that means I have no reason to buy GH2, then. What exactly is the point of releasing two 360 versions of the game within 6-8 months of each other? I thought this was what downloadable content was supposed to solve.

    Downloadable content was never supposed to "solve" the "problem" of getting the consumer to buy yearly installments of a game franchise. For a publisher, that's not a problem, its a business model. They don't want you to buy downloadable content instead of buying new games. They want you to buy downloadable content in addition to new games.

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  • FaceballMcDougalFaceballMcDougal Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Mace1370 wrote: »
    I'm still a little bit confused about the Wii controller.
    We are really excited about the Wii game because there are so many options for the Wii remote. However, you will play the game with a guitar peripheral and it will be similar to a guitar you've seen in the past.

    So they are excited about what the Wii controller can do... but won't be using it?

    Yea... It's a nice way of saying the controller is great but it serves no purpose in their game. You know... it really is OK for a game to come out on the Wii that doesn't use the Wii controller.

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  • DusdaDusda is ashamed of this post SLC, UTRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Dirty wrote: »
    Dusda wrote:
    Okay, so that means I have no reason to buy GH2, then. What exactly is the point of releasing two 360 versions of the game within 6-8 months of each other? I thought this was what downloadable content was supposed to solve.

    Downloadable content was never supposed to "solve" the "problem" of getting the consumer to buy yearly installments of a game franchise. For a publisher, that's not a problem, its a business model. They don't want you to buy downloadable content instead of buying new games. They want you to buy downloadable content in addition to new games.

    Why the hell not? Me spending $30 or so on DLC to be equivalent to GH3 should be pretty damn close to matching their financial gain, after you factor distribution costs on retail media into the equation. Why do they prefer to pass the distribution costs onto us, rather than just save a crap ton of money delivering it digitally?

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  • DirtyDirty Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I still think they'll make it so the Remote just slides into the guitar. That way they don't have to manufacture a cord, or a tilt sensor. Probably save them a dollar or 2 per controller.

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  • RemingtonRemington Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Dirty wrote: »
    I still think they'll make it so the Remote just slides into the guitar. That way they don't have to manufacture a cord, or a tilt sensor. Probably save them a dollar or 2 per controller.


    All I care about is if that dollar gets passed on to me.

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  • ZekZek Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Mace1370 wrote: »
    I'm still a little bit confused about the Wii controller.
    We are really excited about the Wii game because there are so many options for the Wii remote. However, you will play the game with a guitar peripheral and it will be similar to a guitar you've seen in the past.

    So they are excited about what the Wii controller can do... but won't be using it?

    Yea... It's a nice way of saying the controller is great but it serves no purpose in their game. You know... it really is OK for a game to come out on the Wii that doesn't use the Wii controller.

    It's because every time a third party developer is asked about the Wii, Reggie is standing just off camera holding up a sign that says "Talk about how exciting it is" and making threatening gestures.

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  • FaceballMcDougalFaceballMcDougal Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Dirty wrote: »
    I still think they'll make it so the Remote just slides into the guitar. That way they don't have to manufacture a cord, or a tilt sensor. Probably save them a dollar or 2 per controller.
    Does the Wii remote have an actual tilt sensor? Because that is what they use in the guitar. It knows the guitar neck is pointing up because gravity is working against the sensor.

    I thought the Wii just had an accelerometer. It'd be activating star power at odd times if it doesn't have a tilt sensor.

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  • RemingtonRemington Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Zek wrote: »
    Mace1370 wrote: »
    I'm still a little bit confused about the Wii controller.
    We are really excited about the Wii game because there are so many options for the Wii remote. However, you will play the game with a guitar peripheral and it will be similar to a guitar you've seen in the past.

    So they are excited about what the Wii controller can do... but won't be using it?

    Yea... It's a nice way of saying the controller is great but it serves no purpose in their game. You know... it really is OK for a game to come out on the Wii that doesn't use the Wii controller.

    It's because every time a third party developer is asked about the Wii, Reggie is standing just off camera holding up a sign that says "Talk about how exciting it is" and making threatening gestures.

    ReggieThreat.gif

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  • BTPBTP Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    LOL, well played with that gif.

    I was thinking more of something like this.
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    Bart = developers. Reggie = guy with boot.

    Because we know how Reggie likes to kick ass.

    I hope GH3 will let us create our own levels using songs saved on an SD card.

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  • StigmaStigma Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I don't understand the people in this thread who are backing out of getting GH 2 because the third one is on the way.

    The games should be fundamentally the same and use the same controller but with different music. You won't need to buy the guitar again if you already have one, you just buy the game on it's own and double your track listing.

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  • Vincent GraysonVincent Grayson Frederick, MDRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Stigma wrote: »
    I don't understand the people in this thread who are backing out of getting GH 2 because the third one is on the way.

    The games should be fundamentally the same and use the same controller but with different music. You won't need to buy the guitar again if you already have one, you just buy the game on it's own and double your track listing.

    Additionally, the price per song is far cheaper if you buy the whole game, rather than song packs, at least for now. That, and the ability to add new characters, venues, and perhaps some gameplay tweaks/improvements, none of which would make sense to do through DLC, really, when they can just sell a new game.

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  • PataPata Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Dirty wrote: »
    I still think they'll make it so the Remote just slides into the guitar. That way they don't have to manufacture a cord, or a tilt sensor. Probably save them a dollar or 2 per controller.
    Does the Wii remote have an actual tilt sensor? Because that is what they use in the guitar. It knows the guitar neck is pointing up because gravity is working against the sensor.

    The Wii has both. Accelerometers and tilt sensors and little gnomes that look at the sensor bar.

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  • StigmaStigma Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Stigma wrote: »
    I don't understand the people in this thread who are backing out of getting GH 2 because the third one is on the way.

    The games should be fundamentally the same and use the same controller but with different music. You won't need to buy the guitar again if you already have one, you just buy the game on it's own and double your track listing.

    Additionally, the price per song is far cheaper if you buy the whole game, rather than song packs, at least for now. That, and the ability to add new characters, venues, and perhaps some gameplay tweaks/improvements, none of which would make sense to do through DLC, really, when they can just sell a new game.

    I'm just getting the impression that some people think GH2 is obsolete as soon as 3 comes out. Which is silly.
    I have the Ps2 versions and GH 1 is definitely not obsolete. It just depends on which songs I feel like playing.

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  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Songs that should be in this game:

    -Knights of Cydonia by Muse
    -I Believe in a Thing Called Love by The Darkness. Really anything by them.
    -Stairway to Heaven by Zep, because you gotta.
    -Classical Gas.
    -Ball and a Biscuit by the White Stripes, because that would be so enormously fun.

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  • StigmaStigma Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I could really go for some Tool.

    Oh and I'm totally with you on Stairway and White Stripes... Though as far as the Stripes go I'm not picky with the song.
    They could go with Seven Nation Army and get the radio fans really cumming.

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