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the weakness of western [chat]

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    ronyaronya Arrrrrf. the ivory tower's basementRegistered User regular
    eddy I resent phone typing

    but I urge against identifying mental habits against a stultifying personal mode of thought with the desirable aura that surrounds liberatory mass politics

    the mass utopia still has barbarians sipping mass-produced lattes and denouncing pollock without a trace of historical irony. and that's fine.

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    ronyaronya Arrrrrf. the ivory tower's basementRegistered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    ronya wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    I'm mostly grateful for the yelta conference ending up with the soviets not getting norway

    we were the only country liberated by the russians that they pulled out of

    but how did norwegian communists feel

    the break with comintern and the soviets had happened before the war

    so, as elated as everyone else, apart from a small minority

    oo. what triggered the break? pre-ww2 soviet foreign policy?

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    MrMisterMrMister Jesus dying on the cross in pain? Morally better than us. One has to go "all in".Registered User regular
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    MrMister is your paper a response to Nagel called "What is it like to be a butt?"

    Or a thought experiment: Imagine a world exactly like ours in every way
    Against Right Reason

    Abstract: This article argues against ‘right reason’ style accounts of how we should manage our
    beliefs in the face of higher-order evidence. It starts from the observation that such views seem to have bad
    practical consequences when we imagine someone acting on them. It then catalogs ways that i.e.
    Williamson, Weatherson, and Lasonen-Aarnio have tried to block objections based on these consequences;
    it argues all fail. It then moves on to offer its own theoretical picture of a rational 'should believe,' and shows
    that, if such a picture is right, it can neatly explain why right reason isn't. It closes by arguing that the extent
    to which anti-luminosity arguments motivate right reason has been overstated; the positive picture developed
    here, despite rejecting right reason, is nonetheless consistent with luminosity failures.

    Riveting, I know.

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    HappylilElfHappylilElf Registered User regular
    that is a large spider

    a large spider that is making me regret moving my group past the choke point because lawl it's just gonna be more spiders m i rite

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    simonwolfsimonwolf i can feel a difference today, a differenceRegistered User regular
    That's a really weird abstract writing style compared to how I format mine, MrMr

    mostly the usage of "it"

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    ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    edited March 2015
    MrMister wrote: »
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    MrMister is your paper a response to Nagel called "What is it like to be a butt?"

    Or a thought experiment: Imagine a world exactly like ours in every way
    Against Right Reason

    Abstract: This article argues against ‘right reason’ style accounts of how we should manage our
    beliefs in the face of higher-order evidence. It starts from the observation that such views seem to have bad
    practical consequences when we imagine someone acting on them. It then catalogs ways that i.e.
    Williamson, Weatherson, and Lasonen-Aarnio have tried to block objections based on these consequences;
    it argues all fail. It then moves on to offer its own theoretical picture of a rational 'should believe,' and shows
    that, if such a picture is right, it can neatly explain why right reason isn't. It closes by arguing that the extent
    to which anti-luminosity arguments motivate right reason has been overstated; the positive picture developed
    here, despite rejecting right reason, is nonetheless consistent with luminosity failures.

    Riveting, I know.

    It's sorta interesting to see abstracts from different fields.

    Not that they're super different - that's what's sorta interesting. The main difference is that in my field you'd start off with a statement and a bit about what's known, then what you did and why it's important.

    Shivahn on
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    ronyaronya Arrrrrf. the ivory tower's basementRegistered User regular
    It starts from the observation that such views seem to have bad
    practical consequences when we imagine someone acting on them.

    stealth utilitarianism y/n

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    MrMisterMrMister Jesus dying on the cross in pain? Morally better than us. One has to go "all in".Registered User regular
    simonwolf wrote: »
    That's a really weird abstract writing style compared to how I format mine, MrMr

    mostly the usage of "it"

    So, I assume this is where we fight to the death

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    ronyaronya Arrrrrf. the ivory tower's basementRegistered User regular
    simonwolf do your solo-authored abstracts use the royal 'we'

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    simonwolfsimonwolf i can feel a difference today, a differenceRegistered User regular
    MrMister wrote: »
    simonwolf wrote: »
    That's a really weird abstract writing style compared to how I format mine, MrMr

    mostly the usage of "it"

    So, I assume this is where we fight to the death

    or we join forces

    the League of Extraordinarily Unrelated PhDs can always use new membership

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    ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    simonwolf wrote: »
    MrMister wrote: »
    simonwolf wrote: »
    That's a really weird abstract writing style compared to how I format mine, MrMr

    mostly the usage of "it"

    So, I assume this is where we fight to the death

    or we join forces

    the League of Extraordinarily Unrelated PhDs can always use new membership

    Who was the league?

    Arch, you, and me?

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    MrMisterMrMister Jesus dying on the cross in pain? Morally better than us. One has to go "all in".Registered User regular
    edited March 2015
    Shivahn wrote: »
    MrMister wrote: »
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    MrMister is your paper a response to Nagel called "What is it like to be a butt?"

    Or a thought experiment: Imagine a world exactly like ours in every way
    Against Right Reason

    Abstract: This article argues against ‘right reason’ style accounts of how we should manage our
    beliefs in the face of higher-order evidence. It starts from the observation that such views seem to have bad
    practical consequences when we imagine someone acting on them. It then catalogs ways that i.e.
    Williamson, Weatherson, and Lasonen-Aarnio have tried to block objections based on these consequences;
    it argues all fail. It then moves on to offer its own theoretical picture of a rational 'should believe,' and shows
    that, if such a picture is right, it can neatly explain why right reason isn't. It closes by arguing that the extent
    to which anti-luminosity arguments motivate right reason has been overstated; the positive picture developed
    here, despite rejecting right reason, is nonetheless consistent with luminosity failures.

    Riveting, I know.

    It's sorta interesting to see abstracts from different fields.

    Not that they're super different - that's what's sorta interesting. The main difference is that in my field you'd start off with a statement and a bit about what's known, then what you did and why it's important.

    yeah but no one ever knows or does anything in philosophy, so that's clearly inapplicable

    /i kid, i kid

    (mostly)

    MrMister on
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    ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    MrMister wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    MrMister wrote: »
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    MrMister is your paper a response to Nagel called "What is it like to be a butt?"

    Or a thought experiment: Imagine a world exactly like ours in every way
    Against Right Reason

    Abstract: This article argues against ‘right reason’ style accounts of how we should manage our
    beliefs in the face of higher-order evidence. It starts from the observation that such views seem to have bad
    practical consequences when we imagine someone acting on them. It then catalogs ways that i.e.
    Williamson, Weatherson, and Lasonen-Aarnio have tried to block objections based on these consequences;
    it argues all fail. It then moves on to offer its own theoretical picture of a rational 'should believe,' and shows
    that, if such a picture is right, it can neatly explain why right reason isn't. It closes by arguing that the extent
    to which anti-luminosity arguments motivate right reason has been overstated; the positive picture developed
    here, despite rejecting right reason, is nonetheless consistent with luminosity failures.

    Riveting, I know.

    It's sorta interesting to see abstracts from different fields.

    Not that they're super different - that's what's sorta interesting. The main difference is that in my field you'd start off with a statement and a bit about what's known, then what you did and why it's important.

    yeah but no one ever knows or does anything in philosophy, so that's clearly inapplicable

    /i kid, i kid

    (mostly)

    I considered making a terrible joke like "in my field, we normally have content in the abstracts" but resisted :P

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    MrMisterMrMister Jesus dying on the cross in pain? Morally better than us. One has to go "all in".Registered User regular
    simonwolf wrote: »
    MrMister wrote: »
    simonwolf wrote: »
    That's a really weird abstract writing style compared to how I format mine, MrMr

    mostly the usage of "it"

    So, I assume this is where we fight to the death

    or we join forces

    the League of Extraordinarily Unrelated PhDs can always use new membership

    First, become famous

    then, give me a million grants

    sound good?

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    simonwolfsimonwolf i can feel a difference today, a differenceRegistered User regular
    Shivahn wrote: »
    simonwolf wrote: »
    MrMister wrote: »
    simonwolf wrote: »
    That's a really weird abstract writing style compared to how I format mine, MrMr

    mostly the usage of "it"

    So, I assume this is where we fight to the death

    or we join forces

    the League of Extraordinarily Unrelated PhDs can always use new membership

    Who was the league?

    Arch, you, and me?

    I think we formed the basis of it, yes

    a band of rogue academics, travelling the world and co-presenting the most baffling of topic combinations

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    MrMisterMrMister Jesus dying on the cross in pain? Morally better than us. One has to go "all in".Registered User regular
    ronya wrote: »
    It starts from the observation that such views seem to have bad
    practical consequences when we imagine someone acting on them.

    stealth utilitarianism y/n

    my position has been described as 'epistemic consequentialism' but in some ways that's misleading

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    simonwolfsimonwolf i can feel a difference today, a differenceRegistered User regular
    ronya wrote: »
    simonwolf do your solo-authored abstracts use the royal 'we'

    Looking at my most recent abstract, I use "this paper" once and "it" once, with the rest outlining what I'm talking about and the context for it

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    ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    simonwolf wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    simonwolf wrote: »
    MrMister wrote: »
    simonwolf wrote: »
    That's a really weird abstract writing style compared to how I format mine, MrMr

    mostly the usage of "it"

    So, I assume this is where we fight to the death

    or we join forces

    the League of Extraordinarily Unrelated PhDs can always use new membership

    Who was the league?

    Arch, you, and me?

    I think we formed the basis of it, yes

    a band of rogue academics, travelling the world and co-presenting the most baffling of topic combinations

    Each one stepping out of the light and fumbling their hands more awkwardly than the next while the presenter is talking about some shit they don't understand.

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    NecoNeco Worthless Garbage Registered User regular
    simonwolf wrote: »
    MrMister wrote: »
    simonwolf wrote: »
    That's a really weird abstract writing style compared to how I format mine, MrMr

    mostly the usage of "it"

    So, I assume this is where we fight to the death

    or we join forces

    the League of Extraordinarily Unrelated PhDs can always use new membership

    Can I be your secretary.

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    ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    I just wrote most of a grant proposal actually.

    It is terrible.

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    Apothe0sisApothe0sis Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality? Registered User regular
    MrMister wrote: »
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    MrMister is your paper a response to Nagel called "What is it like to be a butt?"

    Or a thought experiment: Imagine a world exactly like ours in every way
    Against Right Reason

    Abstract: This article argues against ‘right reason’ style accounts of how we should manage our
    beliefs in the face of higher-order evidence. It starts from the observation that such views seem to have bad
    practical consequences when we imagine someone acting on them. It then catalogs ways that i.e.
    Williamson, Weatherson, and Lasonen-Aarnio have tried to block objections based on these consequences;
    it argues all fail. It then moves on to offer its own theoretical picture of a rational 'should believe,' and shows
    that, if such a picture is right, it can neatly explain why right reason isn't. It closes by arguing that the extent
    to which anti-luminosity arguments motivate right reason has been overstated; the positive picture developed
    here, despite rejecting right reason, is nonetheless consistent with luminosity failures.

    Riveting, I know.

    I think I would find it rivetting.

    But I am babby and don't know what right reason is.

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    ronya wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    ronya wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    I'm mostly grateful for the yelta conference ending up with the soviets not getting norway

    we were the only country liberated by the russians that they pulled out of

    but how did norwegian communists feel

    the break with comintern and the soviets had happened before the war

    so, as elated as everyone else, apart from a small minority

    oo. what triggered the break? pre-ww2 soviet foreign policy?

    Lenin's Twenty-one Conditions for joining the comintern (Moskvatesene, as we call them) were the sticking point

    Labour - or the literal translation, the Norwegian Worker Party, DNA - split over accepting them and first in 1920, the right wing forming the Social Democratic Labour Party of Norway, NSA

    one of the major sticking points was that unions that had a collective membership in the party had to stop doing that because of democratic centralism

    in 1923 the national convention voted against accepting the conditions, with the leftmost minority splitting into the Communist Party of Norway, NKP

    NSA joined back into DNA in 1927 and hasn't split since

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    ronyaronya Arrrrrf. the ivory tower's basementRegistered User regular
    "this paper" is alien to me

    too used to "we show that..." or "we argue that..." or "I argue that..."

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    so in other words just base disagreements about how to organise a communist party very soon after comintern was established at all

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    Apothe0sisApothe0sis Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality? Registered User regular
    In psychology for a long time if you ever referred to oneself you would be shot in the face and have your death covered up

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    MrMisterMrMister Jesus dying on the cross in pain? Morally better than us. One has to go "all in".Registered User regular
    Holy shit, this male model was also a math lecturer at University College London

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    AND THIS VIDEO (prolly NSFW)

    THIS VIDEO

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    MrMisterMrMister Jesus dying on the cross in pain? Morally better than us. One has to go "all in".Registered User regular
    UNF UNF UNF

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    ronyaronya Arrrrrf. the ivory tower's basementRegistered User regular
    MrMister wrote: »
    ronya wrote: »
    It starts from the observation that such views seem to have bad
    practical consequences when we imagine someone acting on them.

    stealth utilitarianism y/n

    my position has been described as 'epistemic consequentialism' but in some ways that's misleading

    seems like it'd be possible to mine for fun recursive ways to motivate certain epistemologies

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    MrMisterMrMister Jesus dying on the cross in pain? Morally better than us. One has to go "all in".Registered User regular
    ronya wrote: »
    "this paper" is alien to me

    too used to "we show that..." or "we argue that..." or "I argue that..."

    in philosophy, any of these are permitted

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    MrMisterMrMister Jesus dying on the cross in pain? Morally better than us. One has to go "all in".Registered User regular
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    MrMister wrote: »
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    MrMister is your paper a response to Nagel called "What is it like to be a butt?"

    Or a thought experiment: Imagine a world exactly like ours in every way
    Against Right Reason

    Abstract: This article argues against ‘right reason’ style accounts of how we should manage our
    beliefs in the face of higher-order evidence. It starts from the observation that such views seem to have bad
    practical consequences when we imagine someone acting on them. It then catalogs ways that i.e.
    Williamson, Weatherson, and Lasonen-Aarnio have tried to block objections based on these consequences;
    it argues all fail. It then moves on to offer its own theoretical picture of a rational 'should believe,' and shows
    that, if such a picture is right, it can neatly explain why right reason isn't. It closes by arguing that the extent
    to which anti-luminosity arguments motivate right reason has been overstated; the positive picture developed
    here, despite rejecting right reason, is nonetheless consistent with luminosity failures.

    Riveting, I know.

    I think I would find it rivetting.

    But I am babby and don't know what right reason is.

    a bad view, that I demolish, clearly

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    ronyaronya Arrrrrf. the ivory tower's basementRegistered User regular
    the heck is the "Amsterdam International"

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    simonwolfsimonwolf i can feel a difference today, a differenceRegistered User regular
    Mister Eddychov, tear down this wall

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    OnTheLastCastleOnTheLastCastle let's keep it haimish for the peripatetic Registered User regular
    thought 1: that may have been the most homosexual video i've ever seen

    thought 2: what the fuck is equinox

    thought 3: oh my god his abs

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    ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    "We found" is more common. You see a bit of "this paper argues," too.

    Reviews are more often like that.

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    OnTheLastCastleOnTheLastCastle let's keep it haimish for the peripatetic Registered User regular
    time to stream more bloodborne

    when last we met, i could LITERALLY NOT HIT this psychic hunter who was taunting me from atop a tower and had a GOD DAMN MINIGUN FIRING DOWN ON ME

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    all I got from that abstract was "I don't think this is about luminous flux after all"

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    ronya wrote: »
    the heck is the "Amsterdam International"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Federation_of_Trade_Unions

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    NecoNeco Worthless Garbage Registered User regular
    edited March 2015
    That picture makes me think there is maybe a limit to how much I like muscular abs. I think that is maybe beyond what I prefer.

    Neco on
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    DeebaserDeebaser on my way to work in a suit and a tie Ahhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered User regular
    i recognize this as the one true [chat].

    Long Live the Thread

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    they're some creased abs for sure

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