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Yet another school shooting... VA Tech 4/16/07 :(

TachosTachos Registered User regular
edited April 2007 in Debate and/or Discourse
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/16/vtech.shooting/index.html
(CNN) -- A lone gunman is dead after police said he killed at least 21 people Monday during twin shootings on the Virginia Tech campus -- the worst school shooting incident in U.S. history.

"Some victims were shot in a classroom," university police Chief Wendell Flinchum said during a news conference in Blacksburg.

Police believe there was only one gunman, Flinchum said.

"Today the university was struck with a tragedy that we consider of monumental proportions," said university President Charles Steger. "The university is shocked and indeed horrified." (Map of Blacksburg)

The shootings mark the deadliest school shooting incident in U.S. history, topping attacks at Columbine High School in 1999 and at the University of Texas in 1966.

The Associated Press quoted officials saying more than 20 people were wounded. A hospital spokeswoman told AP that 17 Virginia Tech students were being treated for gunshot wounds and other injuries.

This morning there was a pretty horrific shooting at Virginia Tech, they are already calling it the one, if not the worst College shooting in our history. Not all that much is known yet, but this is also the second shooting that has happened at Tech in a year. Last year there was an escaped mental patient that shot hospital workers in the tech area and hid on campus.

What do you think can be done to prevent tragedy like this, if anything can be done, since apparently not enough has been done since Columbine. Are troubled students getting attention and concern from professors? Are people too afraid to report to authorities when someone seems like they could possibly do something like this?

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  • CrunCrun Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    What can be done? Nothing, so long as we insist on having a right to firearms.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited April 2007
    I think it's hard to prescribe ways to prevent these sorts of things when we don't know what really happened to begin with.

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Calling it "The worst in history" seems odd. Have there really been all that many college shootings to warrant comparison?

    I don't know that anything can really be done to prevent some screwed up person from going in to a building and shooting people short of a lockdown situation.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited April 2007
    Crun wrote: »
    What can be done? Nothing, whether we have a right to own firearms or not, because it's not like making them illegal suddenly makes all the guns magically disappear in a puff of wishful thinking.

    Fixed.

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  • Marty81Marty81 Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Crun wrote: »
    What can be done? Nothing, so long as we insist on having a right to firearms.

    Not many of the people who commit these atrocities use legally obtained firearms.

    Edit: I'm really hoping this doesn't become another gun control debate for the next 10 pages. Personally, I'm waiting to see if they can determine whether this guy was a student and figure out what his motives were, because I think that's more important in analyzing these sorts of situations. The BBC has a timeline of US school shootings:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4371403.stm

    Some of these I've not heard of, and it'd be nice to have a perpetrator identification/motive for each.

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  • The GlockThe Glock Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    The article said that some students started posting firsthand accounts on their blogs. Anyone have any links to them?

    Oh, and have they ID'd the killer yet?

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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    There were two separate shootings. Does anyone know if it was actually only one gunman?

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  • GooeyGooey (\/)┌¶─¶┐(\/) pinch pinchRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Crun wrote: »
    What can be done? Nothing, so long as we insist on having a right to firearms.

    Because all criminals buy thier guns over the counter.




    This has nothing to do with gun rights and more to do with a very very disturbed individual whom unfortunately no one noticed that they obviously needed some serious help. I feel very sorry for everyone affected by this. :(

    The shooter apparently is dead, some reports are saying it was an asian male using a handgun. Some reports are also saying there were 2 gunmen but it seems certain that there were 2 seperate shootings in different areas of the campus.

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  • TachosTachos Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Agreed not a lot can be done, unless you put security guards every 5 feet in any populated area 24/7. Which seems kinda hard... But should we do nothing? Surely in the future steps will be made to prevent rampages on campuses...

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  • Kaboodles_The_AssassinKaboodles_The_Assassin Kill the meat. Save the metal.Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Man, I woke up a 3 hours ago and heard on the local news that one person was dead and something like 10 had been wounded. Then they held that press conference and told everyone that 22 were dead, including the gunman.

    I had a class at McBryde this morning. Good thing I slept in.

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  • Vincent GraysonVincent Grayson Frederick, MDRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Last I heard, it was more like 22 dead, and another 22 or so injured.

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  • NickTheNewbieNickTheNewbie Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Why fuck does cnn have a picture of a bloody student being carried away on their front page? And why does fox news have the same picture fucking SUPERSIZED?

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  • GooeyGooey (\/)┌¶─¶┐(\/) pinch pinchRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Why fuck does cnn have a picture of a bloody student being carried away on their front page? And why does fox news have the same picture fucking SUPERSIZED?

    Welcome to the new millenium. It's not news, it's nENTERTAINMENTws.

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  • TachosTachos Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Gooey wrote: »
    Crun wrote: »
    What can be done? Nothing, so long as we insist on having a right to firearms.

    Because all criminals buy thier guns over the counter.




    This has nothing to do with gun rights and more to do with a very very disturbed individual whom unfortunately no one noticed that they obviously needed some serious help. I feel very sorry for everyone affected by this. :(

    The shooter apparently is dead, some reports are saying it was an asian male using a handgun. Some reports are also saying there were 2 gunmen but it seems certain that there were 2 seperate shootings in different areas of the campus.

    Yes, I think the issue of prevention transcends issues of gun laws unfortunately, which is a much more concrete issue.

    Apparently the suspect was a young Asian American male, he had 2 pistols and went from classroom to classroom seemingly premeditated. He also apparently chained doors closed so that people would have a harder time leaving... Pretty sick. This guy probably needed some help, so much so that sticter gun laws probably wouldnt prevent him from hurting people...

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  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    edited April 2007
    Man, if I hadn't decided to blow off my Masters' program in order to make a little money, I'd have been there right now.

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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    FoxNews was showing someone's cellphone video of the shooting. They're talking about it being the new Columbine.

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  • a penguina penguin Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Man, I lived in West AJ for a year, on the fourth floor.

    It's really fucking with me to think of that place as the scene of a shooting. It's pretty damn peaceful up there.

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  • YodaTunaYodaTuna Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Malkor wrote: »
    They're talking about it being the new Columbine.

    Sounds like a good slogan. How long until someone blames video games?

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  • GeodGeod swim, swim, hungryRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I go to Virginia Tech, but I live off campus. I had stayed up late last night doing homework, and decided not to go to my 10am class. My 10am class was in Norris Hall, the building where the shootings took place at 10am. It’s also been mentioned on the news, that part of the shooting might have taken place in my classroom but hasn’t been confirmed. Its strange how life works like this so I just thank God that I’m safe. I haven't read through this thread, but please have us in your thoughts and prayers.

    If I had gone to class, I might be dead now.

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Man, if I hadn't decided to blow off my Masters' program in order to make a little money, I'd have been there right now.

    Which part of the school would you have been in? Anywhere near the shootings?

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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Crun wrote: »
    What can be done? Nothing, whether we have a right to own firearms or not, because it's not like making them illegal suddenly makes all the guns magically disappear in a puff of wishful thinking.

    Fixed.
    Yeah, instituting some form of gun control won't solve the problem right away. It will only help reduce it in the long term. Therefore, it's clearly not worth considering seriously and must be derided by comparing it to magic.

    In related news, all medical research that doesn't yield a one-shot, all-purpose universal cure within the next 10 minutes should be ended immediately.

    And tonight on O'Reilly: why do people bother teaching their babies to talk, knowing that it will take them years to learn?

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  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    edited April 2007
    MKR wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Man, if I hadn't decided to blow off my Masters' program in order to make a little money, I'd have been there right now.
    Which part of the school would you have been in? Anywhere near the shootings?
    I'm not certain. I was working a Masters in EE in a satellite campus, and was in the process of transferring to the main campus when I met Frankie and decided I really should get a job rather than dig myself deeper into debt.

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  • YodaTunaYodaTuna Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Make a new thread for gun control. Probably shouldn't pollute this one.

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Richy wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Crun wrote: »
    What can be done? Nothing, whether we have a right to own firearms or not, because it's not like making them illegal suddenly makes all the guns magically disappear in a puff of wishful thinking.

    Fixed.
    Yeah, instituting some form of gun control won't solve the problem right away. It will only help reduce it in the long term. Therefore, it's clearly not worth considering seriously and must be derided by comparing it to magic.

    In related news, all medical research that doesn't yield a one-shot, all-purpose universal cure within the next 10 minutes should be ended immediately.

    And tonight on O'Reilly: why do people bother teaching their babies to talk, knowing that it will take them years to learn?

    People still get shot in places where guns have been outlawed for decades. The simple reality of the situation is that for any ban, a black market will form. The people that do this kind of crap will get guns, gun laws or not.

    Edit: and yeah, it should go in another thread.

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  • TachosTachos Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Geod wrote: »
    I go to Virginia Tech, but I live off campus. I had stayed up late last night doing homework, and decided not to go to my 10am class. My 10am class was in Norris Hall, the building where the shootings took place at 10am. It’s also been mentioned on the news, that part of the shooting might have taken place in my classroom but hasn’t been confirmed. Its strange how life works like this so I just thank God that I’m safe. I haven't read through this thread, but please have us in your thoughts and prayers.

    If I had gone to class, I might be dead now.

    Im really glad you are ok, and I hope no one you know closely was hurt today... I feel really really terrible the friends and family of those that were killed today. I hope the number of those killed stays at 22 or 23. It was hard to take it when the number shot from 1 victim to 10 to 20...

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  • InvisibleInvisible Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Gooey wrote: »
    Why fuck does cnn have a picture of a bloody student being carried away on their front page? And why does fox news have the same picture fucking SUPERSIZED?

    Welcome to the new millenium. It's not news, it's nENTERTAINMENTws.

    Would you prefer them to not show what happened? It's the fucking news and I doubt any normal person is entertained by the prospect of a dead body. For God's sakes some of the most important photographs of the last century have been of some pretty horrific things.

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  • TachosTachos Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Oh god, they just raised the death toll to 31...ugh..

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Invisible wrote: »
    Gooey wrote: »
    Why fuck does cnn have a picture of a bloody student being carried away on their front page? And why does fox news have the same picture fucking SUPERSIZED?

    Welcome to the new millenium. It's not news, it's nENTERTAINMENTws.

    Would you prefer them to not show what happened? It's the fucking news and I doubt any normal person is entertained by the prospect of a dead body. For God's sakes some of the most important photographs of the last century have been of some pretty horrific things.

    The problem is that they aren't going to report it and move on. This is the news for the next 6 months.

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  • GooeyGooey (\/)┌¶─¶┐(\/) pinch pinchRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Richy wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Crun wrote: »
    What can be done? Nothing, whether we have a right to own firearms or not, because it's not like making them illegal suddenly makes all the guns magically disappear in a puff of wishful thinking.

    Fixed.
    Yeah, instituting some form of gun control won't solve the problem right away. It will only help reduce it in the long term. Therefore, it's clearly not worth considering seriously and must be derided by comparing it to magic.

    In related news, all medical research that doesn't yield a one-shot, all-purpose universal cure within the next 10 minutes should be ended immediately.

    And tonight on O'Reilly: why do people bother teaching their babies to talk, knowing that it will take them years to learn?

    I'll say it again, this isn't a gun control issue. If you want to talk gun control, start another thread and I'd be happy to rip you up.

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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Tachos wrote: »
    Oh god, they just raised the death toll to 31...ugh..
    Holy crap. This is terrible :(

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  • NisslNissl Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    The thing is, you can't necessarily do a lot to prevent this with a top-down program. Someone that crazy is going to get his hands on a gun somehow.

    Better societal mental health is the only solution in the long run, but we as a people are not yet talking about what that is or how to achieve it. In fact, the cultural dialogue is that the way people are right now in the U.S. is the default state of man, despite massive historical evidence to the contrary.

    Ugh, what a depressing morning.

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  • Kaboodles_The_AssassinKaboodles_The_Assassin Kill the meat. Save the metal.Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Fox is reporting 32 dead. I sure hope they're full of shit.

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  • arod_77arod_77 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2007
    If he used a handgun that means im' getting all the hi-cap mags I can right away-I anticipate a ban

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  • AegisAegis Fear My Dance Overshot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Fox is reporting 32 dead. I sure hope they're full of shit.

    Washingtonpost.com is reporting the same unfortunately.

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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    From what I understand, the first set of shootings didn't lead to the school being shut down. WTF.

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
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  • GeodGeod swim, swim, hungryRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Malkor wrote: »
    From what I understand, the first set of shootings didn't lead to the school being shut down. WTF.

    The first one was in a dorm a ways away from the second incident. Only one person was killed, and they were investigating that when the 2nd happened. Supposedly they were only an hour and 30 minutes apart or so.

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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    arod_77 wrote: »
    If he used a handgun that means im' getting all the hi-cap mags I can right away-I anticipate a ban
    I'm no gun expect, but I somehow doubt he could do that much damage with a handgun alone. I'm guessing he had an automatic weapon of some kind.

    Then again, details aren't exactly pouring in so far, so I could be way off.

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  • mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Tachos wrote: »
    Agreed not a lot can be done, unless you put security guards every 5 feet in any populated area 24/7. Which seems kinda hard... But should we do nothing? Surely in the future steps will be made to prevent rampages on campuses...

    There's not much you can do to stop somebody who'd determined to break the law and not concerned with getting caught.

    Controversial as it might be (and likely as it might be to turn this into a gun-control thread) the one thing I can think of that might have helped would be to allow those with permits to carry on campus.

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  • GooeyGooey (\/)┌¶─¶┐(\/) pinch pinchRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Richy wrote: »
    arod_77 wrote: »
    If he used a handgun that means im' getting all the hi-cap mags I can right away-I anticipate a ban
    I'm no gun expect, but I somehow doubt he could do that much damage with a handgun alone. I'm guessing he had an automatic weapon of some kind.

    Then again, details aren't exactly pouring in so far, so I could be way off.

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    Edited to be nicer.

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