Avengers II: Age Of Ultron - Sequel Assemble! [Superheroes]

Solar

My condolences to you

Chincymcchilla

No because I had the axact same argument already with them about man of steel

A lot of people want violent, dark superheroes

And a lot of them want it to be fuckin superman and batman for some god damned reason

Solar

bloody internet

BlankZoe

I will say

I think Ben Affleck and the Batman outfit both look good in BvS

Ladai

One of my co-workers really likes Gotham. She enjoys recounting plot details to me and laughs as my eyes roll out of my head.

JayKaos

I've already had to swear not to discuss Man of Steel with any of my friends in person, and doubly so when alcohol is involved.

Maddoc

Look as far as I'm concerned there's no shame in getting drunk and yelling at whoever will listen that Goyer and Snyder don't know Superman like you do.

Mr. G

The cast is the least of the movie's problems

wirehead26

Like some others have said the premise for BVS isn't bad and could work for characters other than Bats and Supes.

If the MCU introduced Miracle/Marvelman for example.

BlankZoe

I mean

Avengers Age of Ultron reportedly covers a lot of the same themes (superheroes role in the world, whether or not they are too powerful with no accountability, if they should be controlled) and doesn't look grim as shit like that BvS trailer

OmnipotentBagel

If it weren't for Man of Steel, I could even see the premise of this movie working. Like, Lex Luthor has been spinning the shit out of Superman (like J. Jonah Jameson to Supe's Spider-man) and is the one responsible for the whole "false god" thing. Batman catches wind of this and thinks Superman has to be taken out, and comes in all ready for war. And Superman's all, "hey man, you've got this all wrong, I didn't do any of that stuff." Then, after letting Batman beat on him for a while to get it out of his system, they chat for a bit, Batman realizes Superman's a good guy, and they team up. And it turns out the real lesson of the film is how our hyper-reactive society is too quick to buy into narratives of good guys and bad guys which lets the people in power manipulate us into turning against people who actually want to do good for us.

But I really don't think that's how this is gonna go down.

JayKaos

Maddoc wrote: »

Look as far as I'm concerned there's no shame in getting drunk and yelling at whoever will listen that Goyer and Snyder don't know Superman like you do.

Long story short the timing was... less than ideal.

But hey, that guy'll be back from deployment in another 2 years and then I'm sure I can patch things up.

cardboard delusions

Chincymcchilla wrote: »

I want to point out that people on my facebook are freaking about how awesome batman v superman looks

I too am having this same problem, the nice thing is I now know going into any superhero conversation to avoid these topics because I will become quite annoyed.

Nogs

i know it won't happen but

it'd be neat if the next trailer was like, from the point of view of Superman or the Superman followers. (like, those shock troopers with the Superman S on their shoulder probably think he is alright.)

have this trailer be luthor or batman's side of things

and then in the next trailer, show the other side of things.


it's not like he can't make an inspiring trailer at least, he did it with MoS.


show me that there's actually gonna be at least two conflicting viewpoints presented in the movie and i'll be a lot more interested.

Mr. G

on Episode 7 of Daredevil

So this show's about to get pretty weird, huh

BlankZoe

A bunch more Sony Emails showed up on Wikileaks and whooboy

Kevin Fiege was asked to critique a cut of ASM 2 and had complaints with most of the major issues of the film that were evidently ignored:

There are too many story lines and we need to choose which ones we are focusing on and lift out the other ones, ie; could reduce father arc to just Roosevelt?



Could cut out plane crash and Richard destroying spiders and start on armored car – don’t start with Spider-Man….let the danger/stakes to NYC build first and then have Spider-Man enter the scene heroically.



Tone down Paul Giamatti performance, so he seems a bit more menacing and less cartoonish.



If you cut Richard from the opening and the plane crash maybe you could instead do Harry coming home and seeing Norman at the top of the movie as a cold open.



Really love Electro – feels like you may not need the scene in his apartment, which makes him seems completely crazy and hard to relate too.



Like the idea that eel goes in his mouth and instead of burrowing, you see it glow within him…



Need to set up the Power Plant earlier, visually.



Seems like the movie switches pov’s a lot…why are we in Max’s pov during the car chase, worth looking at this playing out from Spidey’s pov.



There could be a better way to reveal that Peter is missing graduation – maybe when you cut Gwen you cut to the wide shot?



Tiny note – don’t think Peter would lie to Gwen about sirens --- maybe he just downplays it…



Stan Lee Cameo – maybe need a little more emphasis on Peter here trying to get out of his costume and not be in seen…set up a little more the pressure of the principal getting closer and closer to calling his name.



Instead of seeing the ghost of Captain Stacy, can just here the voice in Peter’s head and maybe flash back to the last movie? Don’t think we should add Cap Stacy back into car chase.



There is too much back and forth with Peter and Gwen – can we recut the Dim Sum scene so that it doesn’t feel so repetitive of their break-up in the last movie – Can Peter be more honorable and definitive and less wishy-washy?



Why do we need a year to pass…



Harry story feels like the main plot of the movie – Peter should look into the past b/c of Harry – maybe find some photos of them together as kids…use obsession wall more to set up this part of his past not just what happened to parents.



Not sure what Peter learns at Roosevelt is entirely correct. We’re distracted by the idea that Peter became Spider-Man b/c of his father’s blood --- all this special back story with his super-scientist dad fights with the idea that Peter is normal kid from Queens who becomes the greatest super-hero in the world…



Andrew’s performance is all over the place…a lot of crying and then a lot of mania. Hard to track him emotionally sometimes. It undermines his reaction to Gwen’s death b/c he gets upset and emotional a lot.



Don’t like the idea that May tells Peter his parents were spies b/c two seconds later he finds out they are not and it again fights with the idea that he’s an ordinary kid.



Like the idea that May finds out he’s Spider-Man – finds his costume instead of just the rosemary harris wink-wink all the time.



Kind of like the morgue, but hate the dancing mortician – cliché.



Are you using VFX to show how Electro is travelling from one point to another (bursts of electricity).



Need to underscore capture of goblin…more sirens as you linger on the clock 1;21, 1:22 am (nice touch).



Surveillance scene should be about following Harry not Peter…no one should be following Peter.



Can Electro hum Itsy-Bitsy Spider before he plays it electronically…maybe we can use this again.



Maybe intercut the ending montage and hearing Gwen’s speech with someone going into special projects and revealing more easter eggs and see that the rhino case has been broke into and the suit is missing…great way to transition to rhino ending.



Don’t need Aunt May in the kitchen.



Spider-man needs to feel more directly responsible for preventing the planes from crashing.


Don’t show New Yorkers looting.

Before signing a deal with Marvel Sony was exploring having Spider-Man appear in either X-Men: Apocalypse or Fantastic Four

Spider-Woman was pitched as a "fierce, Twilight branded teenage girl movie"

Avi Arad is crazy and everyone at Sony knew it

Alan Fine told Sony that rebooting was a mistake because it writes off the original trilogy as something they need to ignore and redo. He also told Sony they were going way too dark with ASM and losing sight of what makes Spider-Man work.

There was a group of people dedicated to headhunting Marvel writers/directors the second they finish their "tour of duty" at Marvel

Andrew Garfield apparently tried to argue that Sinister Six would qualify as Amazing Spider-Man 3 for his contract so he should get the same payday he did for the other two films

He also decided to not attend a major Sony gala before the premiere of ASM 2 with about an hours notice. He "has a scruffy beard and wants to be left alone."

DouglasDanger

That's too bad the Sony/Garfield Spider movies didn't turn out better.I enjoyed most of the first movie.

Mr. G

so many daddy issues on Daredevil, you'd think it was Lost

Chincymcchilla

I am already resigned to a third Snyder superman film

This movie has superman and batman fighting

I think literally nothing will stop it from making a boatload of cash

Chincymcchilla

I'm pretty sure the movie would make money if it actively spit in peoples faces as they walked in

Mr. G

Boy it's a good thing nobody has Wesley or Fisk's phones tapped because they are openly discussing ALL SORTS of crimes

Centipede Damascus

I wouldn't be so sure about the cash. Man of Steel made less money than either of the two Marvel movies released in the same year, not to mention Iron Man 3 and the Avengers.

UnbrokenEva

Mr. G wrote: »

Boy it's a good thing nobody has Wesley or Fisk's phones tapped because they are openly discussing ALL SORTS of crimes

why would anyone want to tap the phone of beloved philanthropist Wilson Fisk?

UnbrokenEva

Blankzilla wrote: »

A bunch more Sony Emails showed up on Wikileaks and whooboy

Kevin Fiege was asked to critique a cut of ASM 2 and had complaints with most of the major issues of the film that were evidently ignored:

There are too many story lines and we need to choose which ones we are focusing on and lift out the other ones, ie; could reduce father arc to just Roosevelt?



Could cut out plane crash and Richard destroying spiders and start on armored car – don’t start with Spider-Man….let the danger/stakes to NYC build first and then have Spider-Man enter the scene heroically.



Tone down Paul Giamatti performance, so he seems a bit more menacing and less cartoonish.



If you cut Richard from the opening and the plane crash maybe you could instead do Harry coming home and seeing Norman at the top of the movie as a cold open.



Really love Electro – feels like you may not need the scene in his apartment, which makes him seems completely crazy and hard to relate too.



Like the idea that eel goes in his mouth and instead of burrowing, you see it glow within him…



Need to set up the Power Plant earlier, visually.



Seems like the movie switches pov’s a lot…why are we in Max’s pov during the car chase, worth looking at this playing out from Spidey’s pov.



There could be a better way to reveal that Peter is missing graduation – maybe when you cut Gwen you cut to the wide shot?



Tiny note – don’t think Peter would lie to Gwen about sirens --- maybe he just downplays it…



Stan Lee Cameo – maybe need a little more emphasis on Peter here trying to get out of his costume and not be in seen…set up a little more the pressure of the principal getting closer and closer to calling his name.



Instead of seeing the ghost of Captain Stacy, can just here the voice in Peter’s head and maybe flash back to the last movie? Don’t think we should add Cap Stacy back into car chase.



There is too much back and forth with Peter and Gwen – can we recut the Dim Sum scene so that it doesn’t feel so repetitive of their break-up in the last movie – Can Peter be more honorable and definitive and less wishy-washy?



Why do we need a year to pass…



Harry story feels like the main plot of the movie – Peter should look into the past b/c of Harry – maybe find some photos of them together as kids…use obsession wall more to set up this part of his past not just what happened to parents.



Not sure what Peter learns at Roosevelt is entirely correct. We’re distracted by the idea that Peter became Spider-Man b/c of his father’s blood --- all this special back story with his super-scientist dad fights with the idea that Peter is normal kid from Queens who becomes the greatest super-hero in the world…



Andrew’s performance is all over the place…a lot of crying and then a lot of mania. Hard to track him emotionally sometimes. It undermines his reaction to Gwen’s death b/c he gets upset and emotional a lot.



Don’t like the idea that May tells Peter his parents were spies b/c two seconds later he finds out they are not and it again fights with the idea that he’s an ordinary kid.



Like the idea that May finds out he’s Spider-Man – finds his costume instead of just the rosemary harris wink-wink all the time.



Kind of like the morgue, but hate the dancing mortician – cliché.



Are you using VFX to show how Electro is travelling from one point to another (bursts of electricity).



Need to underscore capture of goblin…more sirens as you linger on the clock 1;21, 1:22 am (nice touch).



Surveillance scene should be about following Harry not Peter…no one should be following Peter.



Can Electro hum Itsy-Bitsy Spider before he plays it electronically…maybe we can use this again.



Maybe intercut the ending montage and hearing Gwen’s speech with someone going into special projects and revealing more easter eggs and see that the rhino case has been broke into and the suit is missing…great way to transition to rhino ending.



Don’t need Aunt May in the kitchen.



Spider-man needs to feel more directly responsible for preventing the planes from crashing.


Don’t show New Yorkers looting.

Before signing a deal with Marvel Sony was exploring having Spider-Man appear in either X-Men: Apocalypse or Fantastic Four

Spider-Woman was pitched as a "fierce, Twilight branded teenage girl movie"

Avi Arad is crazy and everyone at Sony knew it

Alan Fine told Sony that rebooting was a mistake because it writes off the original trilogy as something they need to ignore and redo. He also told Sony they were going way too dark with ASM and losing sight of what makes Spider-Man work.

There was a group of people dedicated to headhunting Marvel writers/directors the second they finish their "tour of duty" at Marvel

Andrew Garfield apparently tried to argue that Sinister Six would qualify as Amazing Spider-Man 3 for his contract so he should get the same payday he did for the other two films

He also decided to not attend a major Sony gala before the premiere of ASM 2 with about an hours notice. He "has a scruffy beard and wants to be left alone."

is Avi Arad still involved after the new deal/recent Sony shakeups?

Javen

Mr. G wrote: »

Boy it's a good thing nobody has Wesley or Fisk's phones tapped because they are openly discussing ALL SORTS of crimes

They own a pretty fair portion of the police

I don't think they're in danger of being tapped

BlankZoe

Fearghaill wrote: »

Blankzilla wrote: »

A bunch more Sony Emails showed up on Wikileaks and whooboy

Kevin Fiege was asked to critique a cut of ASM 2 and had complaints with most of the major issues of the film that were evidently ignored:

There are too many story lines and we need to choose which ones we are focusing on and lift out the other ones, ie; could reduce father arc to just Roosevelt?



Could cut out plane crash and Richard destroying spiders and start on armored car – don’t start with Spider-Man….let the danger/stakes to NYC build first and then have Spider-Man enter the scene heroically.



Tone down Paul Giamatti performance, so he seems a bit more menacing and less cartoonish.



If you cut Richard from the opening and the plane crash maybe you could instead do Harry coming home and seeing Norman at the top of the movie as a cold open.



Really love Electro – feels like you may not need the scene in his apartment, which makes him seems completely crazy and hard to relate too.



Like the idea that eel goes in his mouth and instead of burrowing, you see it glow within him…



Need to set up the Power Plant earlier, visually.



Seems like the movie switches pov’s a lot…why are we in Max’s pov during the car chase, worth looking at this playing out from Spidey’s pov.



There could be a better way to reveal that Peter is missing graduation – maybe when you cut Gwen you cut to the wide shot?



Tiny note – don’t think Peter would lie to Gwen about sirens --- maybe he just downplays it…



Stan Lee Cameo – maybe need a little more emphasis on Peter here trying to get out of his costume and not be in seen…set up a little more the pressure of the principal getting closer and closer to calling his name.



Instead of seeing the ghost of Captain Stacy, can just here the voice in Peter’s head and maybe flash back to the last movie? Don’t think we should add Cap Stacy back into car chase.



There is too much back and forth with Peter and Gwen – can we recut the Dim Sum scene so that it doesn’t feel so repetitive of their break-up in the last movie – Can Peter be more honorable and definitive and less wishy-washy?



Why do we need a year to pass…



Harry story feels like the main plot of the movie – Peter should look into the past b/c of Harry – maybe find some photos of them together as kids…use obsession wall more to set up this part of his past not just what happened to parents.



Not sure what Peter learns at Roosevelt is entirely correct. We’re distracted by the idea that Peter became Spider-Man b/c of his father’s blood --- all this special back story with his super-scientist dad fights with the idea that Peter is normal kid from Queens who becomes the greatest super-hero in the world…



Andrew’s performance is all over the place…a lot of crying and then a lot of mania. Hard to track him emotionally sometimes. It undermines his reaction to Gwen’s death b/c he gets upset and emotional a lot.



Don’t like the idea that May tells Peter his parents were spies b/c two seconds later he finds out they are not and it again fights with the idea that he’s an ordinary kid.



Like the idea that May finds out he’s Spider-Man – finds his costume instead of just the rosemary harris wink-wink all the time.



Kind of like the morgue, but hate the dancing mortician – cliché.



Are you using VFX to show how Electro is travelling from one point to another (bursts of electricity).



Need to underscore capture of goblin…more sirens as you linger on the clock 1;21, 1:22 am (nice touch).



Surveillance scene should be about following Harry not Peter…no one should be following Peter.



Can Electro hum Itsy-Bitsy Spider before he plays it electronically…maybe we can use this again.



Maybe intercut the ending montage and hearing Gwen’s speech with someone going into special projects and revealing more easter eggs and see that the rhino case has been broke into and the suit is missing…great way to transition to rhino ending.



Don’t need Aunt May in the kitchen.



Spider-man needs to feel more directly responsible for preventing the planes from crashing.


Don’t show New Yorkers looting.

Before signing a deal with Marvel Sony was exploring having Spider-Man appear in either X-Men: Apocalypse or Fantastic Four

Spider-Woman was pitched as a "fierce, Twilight branded teenage girl movie"

Avi Arad is crazy and everyone at Sony knew it

Alan Fine told Sony that rebooting was a mistake because it writes off the original trilogy as something they need to ignore and redo. He also told Sony they were going way too dark with ASM and losing sight of what makes Spider-Man work.

There was a group of people dedicated to headhunting Marvel writers/directors the second they finish their "tour of duty" at Marvel

Andrew Garfield apparently tried to argue that Sinister Six would qualify as Amazing Spider-Man 3 for his contract so he should get the same payday he did for the other two films

He also decided to not attend a major Sony gala before the premiere of ASM 2 with about an hours notice. He "has a scruffy beard and wants to be left alone."

is Avi Arad still involved after the new deal/recent Sony shakeups?

Nope!

Hermano

Fearghaill wrote: »

Mr. G wrote: »

Boy it's a good thing nobody has Wesley or Fisk's phones tapped because they are openly discussing ALL SORTS of crimes

why would anyone want to tap the phone of beloved philanthropist Wilson Fisk?

Does the News of the World exist in the MCU

Javen

Mr. G wrote: »

so many daddy issues on Daredevil, you'd think it was Lost

Man Matt's dad is actually cool and does what he does for the sake of his son. Untimely death aside, Jack Murdock did right by his boy.

Chincymcchilla

Centipede Damascus wrote: »

I wouldn't be so sure about the cash. Man of Steel made less money than either of the two Marvel movies released in the same year, not to mention Iron Man 3 and the Avengers.

Batman

Fighting

Superman

Mr. G

Batman V. Superman will be one of the top 10 grossing movies of next year, if not top 5 or even 3

Javen

I haven't seen MoS, but

Is kryptonite even introduced and/or utilized as Superman's weakness?

Ceno

Blankzilla wrote: »

Fearghaill wrote: »

Blankzilla wrote: »

A bunch more Sony Emails showed up on Wikileaks and whooboy

Kevin Fiege was asked to critique a cut of ASM 2 and had complaints with most of the major issues of the film that were evidently ignored:

There are too many story lines and we need to choose which ones we are focusing on and lift out the other ones, ie; could reduce father arc to just Roosevelt?



Could cut out plane crash and Richard destroying spiders and start on armored car – don’t start with Spider-Man….let the danger/stakes to NYC build first and then have Spider-Man enter the scene heroically.



Tone down Paul Giamatti performance, so he seems a bit more menacing and less cartoonish.



If you cut Richard from the opening and the plane crash maybe you could instead do Harry coming home and seeing Norman at the top of the movie as a cold open.



Really love Electro – feels like you may not need the scene in his apartment, which makes him seems completely crazy and hard to relate too.



Like the idea that eel goes in his mouth and instead of burrowing, you see it glow within him…



Need to set up the Power Plant earlier, visually.



Seems like the movie switches pov’s a lot…why are we in Max’s pov during the car chase, worth looking at this playing out from Spidey’s pov.



There could be a better way to reveal that Peter is missing graduation – maybe when you cut Gwen you cut to the wide shot?



Tiny note – don’t think Peter would lie to Gwen about sirens --- maybe he just downplays it…



Stan Lee Cameo – maybe need a little more emphasis on Peter here trying to get out of his costume and not be in seen…set up a little more the pressure of the principal getting closer and closer to calling his name.



Instead of seeing the ghost of Captain Stacy, can just here the voice in Peter’s head and maybe flash back to the last movie? Don’t think we should add Cap Stacy back into car chase.



There is too much back and forth with Peter and Gwen – can we recut the Dim Sum scene so that it doesn’t feel so repetitive of their break-up in the last movie – Can Peter be more honorable and definitive and less wishy-washy?



Why do we need a year to pass…



Harry story feels like the main plot of the movie – Peter should look into the past b/c of Harry – maybe find some photos of them together as kids…use obsession wall more to set up this part of his past not just what happened to parents.



Not sure what Peter learns at Roosevelt is entirely correct. We’re distracted by the idea that Peter became Spider-Man b/c of his father’s blood --- all this special back story with his super-scientist dad fights with the idea that Peter is normal kid from Queens who becomes the greatest super-hero in the world…



Andrew’s performance is all over the place…a lot of crying and then a lot of mania. Hard to track him emotionally sometimes. It undermines his reaction to Gwen’s death b/c he gets upset and emotional a lot.



Don’t like the idea that May tells Peter his parents were spies b/c two seconds later he finds out they are not and it again fights with the idea that he’s an ordinary kid.



Like the idea that May finds out he’s Spider-Man – finds his costume instead of just the rosemary harris wink-wink all the time.



Kind of like the morgue, but hate the dancing mortician – cliché.



Are you using VFX to show how Electro is travelling from one point to another (bursts of electricity).



Need to underscore capture of goblin…more sirens as you linger on the clock 1;21, 1:22 am (nice touch).



Surveillance scene should be about following Harry not Peter…no one should be following Peter.



Can Electro hum Itsy-Bitsy Spider before he plays it electronically…maybe we can use this again.



Maybe intercut the ending montage and hearing Gwen’s speech with someone going into special projects and revealing more easter eggs and see that the rhino case has been broke into and the suit is missing…great way to transition to rhino ending.



Don’t need Aunt May in the kitchen.



Spider-man needs to feel more directly responsible for preventing the planes from crashing.


Don’t show New Yorkers looting.

Before signing a deal with Marvel Sony was exploring having Spider-Man appear in either X-Men: Apocalypse or Fantastic Four

Spider-Woman was pitched as a "fierce, Twilight branded teenage girl movie"

Avi Arad is crazy and everyone at Sony knew it

Alan Fine told Sony that rebooting was a mistake because it writes off the original trilogy as something they need to ignore and redo. He also told Sony they were going way too dark with ASM and losing sight of what makes Spider-Man work.

There was a group of people dedicated to headhunting Marvel writers/directors the second they finish their "tour of duty" at Marvel

Andrew Garfield apparently tried to argue that Sinister Six would qualify as Amazing Spider-Man 3 for his contract so he should get the same payday he did for the other two films

He also decided to not attend a major Sony gala before the premiere of ASM 2 with about an hours notice. He "has a scruffy beard and wants to be left alone."

is Avi Arad still involved after the new deal/recent Sony shakeups?

Nope!

Yeah him being booted out was one of the major conditions of a deal with Marvel.

KingofMadCows

Javen wrote: »

I haven't seen MoS, but

Is kryptonite even introduced and/or utilized as Superman's weakness?

Not Kryptonite crystals but Kryptonian atmosphere takes away Superman's powers. So even though they said that there wasn't going to be Kryptonite, there's Kryptonite, just in gas form.

Goatmon

One thing that kinda confuses me about that trailer

That Superman statue with the grafiti on it

Why is there a statue of Superman if everybody hates his guts?

Goatmon

Javen wrote: »

I haven't seen MoS, but

Is kryptonite even introduced and/or utilized as Superman's weakness?

One of the elements of the plot is Zod attempting to terraform the planet, which had a similarly power-draining effect on Superman. But no literal Kryptonite was used in the film.

BlankZoe

Alias omnibus arrived today

Excited to finally read this

Mr. G

Every time I see a scene in the rain on something I immediately picture a crew member sitting on the roof with a hose

Mr. G

Daredevil: A show about people getting frustrated and smashing up all the stuff in a room

jkylefulton

Mr. G wrote: »

Every time I see a scene in the rain on something I immediately picture a crew member sitting on the roof with a hose

https://38.media.tumblr.com/9a1b9797573793dfd1a6c4608a33f9fe/tumblr_mr6vbbZz1j1se4rigo2_500.gif

Bucketman

Veldrin wrote: »

I was the tiniest bit disappointed that the movie didn't have this scene

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufmiUR5at7Q

I like the idea that the super compitant suave secret agent, when faced with someone figuring out his true identity just "Fuck, STOMACH KICK!"