Exchange 2016 still contains the issue that I discovered all the years ago in Exchange 2010.
Find Public Folders does not work, it just never returns.
Even on a completely and utterly fresh environment.
Microsoft has been trying to kill public folders since 2010. The odds of them actually doing any development on them are nil. iirc public folders weren't even supposed to be included at all in 2013, but after an outcry they said find and included it "as is" and basically told people to fuck off if it broke.
MS has for years been saying they are going to get rid of Public Folders. Years later we still have/use them.
That's because too many big customers told them to keep it. but keeping it and developing it are two different things. I doubt that there's been a man hour worth of work into it aside from copy/pasting the code into the new exchange builds.
I got an email from my primary client last week demanding to know why (list of 10 users)'s accounts were still active since they had all long left the company.
I asked when he had submitted a ticket to have any of their accounts disabled, mail forwarded, etc.
MS has for years been saying they are going to get rid of Public Folders. Years later we still have/use them.
That's because too many big customers told them to keep it. but keeping it and developing it are two different things. I doubt that there's been a man hour worth of work into it aside from copy/pasting the code into the new exchange builds.
They way public folders word in 2016 is completely different from 2013 and prior. I think they did SOMETHING. Which is a surprise.
If your'e rebuilding exchange why are you tying network shares in?
you're already creepin features
just let network shares be their own thing
maybe make DFS a little less stupid
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
USERS NEED THEIR FILES AND I WILL NEVER WIN THAT BATTLE MAN
But, at least if we're going to do it, we're going to attach a storage solution that already exists, and put it in their email client, instead of devising our own storage solution that doesn't work.
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Well users already try to use email for file storage. What if we made this functional, with folders that could then be made public within the organization, and - hey, what are you doing with that crowbar..?!
What if we just had this massive networked file system, where all the files have permissions for who can access them. When a user is added to a file's permissions a notification gets pushed out that lets them know about it.
Users can send messages and other things to one another by writing into a new text file or whatever, and then adding the person they want to send it to as a 'recipient'. Solve all those pesky problems in one go.
edit project specs until you effectively have exchange+public folders
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
A user 'deleting' a file is just removing themselves from the file's permissions so they don't see it anymore. When disk space starts running low you just provision new file servers to add to the pool.
Exchange 2010 and forward has a built-in functionality for online archive, which is essentially like their own network share in their eyes. It's also a ton more stable than any PST/OST file. The only catch is that the users either (a) have Office Pro Plus installed, or (b) use OWA. We've tested it out and it's a lot better than dealing with other 3rd-party apps (like TechHit's EZDetatch, which is a pain in the ass because users don't understand that you can't go moving files around or else the pointers break).
While I agree that being insensitive is an issue, so is being oversensitive.
MS has for years been saying they are going to get rid of Public Folders. Years later we still have/use them.
That's because too many big customers told them to keep it. but keeping it and developing it are two different things. I doubt that there's been a man hour worth of work into it aside from copy/pasting the code into the new exchange builds.
They way public folders word in 2016 is completely different from 2013 and prior. I think they did SOMETHING. Which is a surprise.
Really, that's.....surprising. I haven't touched 2016 yet, though we're looking at going to it next year.
T-Mobile CEO claims that Blackberry is on a comeback. Oh sweet Jesus in a tuxedo shirt, please no no no no no no. I thought we were finally done supporting that crap.
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While I agree that being insensitive is an issue, so is being oversensitive.
T-Mobile CEO claims that Blackberry is on a comeback. Oh sweet Jesus in a tuxedo shirt, please no no no no no no. I thought we were finally done supporting that crap.
Isn't it based on android now though?
Could be worse. It could be a windows phone.
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T-Mobile CEO claims that Blackberry is on a comeback. Oh sweet Jesus in a tuxedo shirt, please no no no no no no. I thought we were finally done supporting that crap.
Isn't it based on android now though?
Could be worse. It could be a windows phone.
Hey!
I like my Windows Phone. It does what little I ask of it very well.
Apparently mind reading is part of the sysadmin package! Who knew?
I was supposed to order a toner when the last one was used even though no one told me. I'm going to have to put in a ticket as the mind reading seems to be down.
"He's sulking in his tent like Achilles! It's the Iliad?...from Homer?! READ A BOOK!!" -Handy
Apparently mind reading is part of the sysadmin package! Who knew?
I was supposed to order a toner when the last one was used even though no one told me. I'm going to have to put in a ticket as the mind reading seems to be down.
I'm playing a game this week.
"Act like a moron"
When someone asks me for help I plead ignorance and ask them to help me.
Them - "Hi bowen, we're having some trouble with faxes (blah blah blah)."
Me - "Oh that stinks. What do you think we should do with that?"
them - "I don't know that's your job."
Me - "Is it? Oh I don't really know much about the inner workings of that whatchamacallit, but I'm sure if we put our heads together we can figure out something that'll work."
Them - "Maybe scan it and email it?"
Me - "Hmm what a great idea! Go try it!"
It is working... a lot better than I expected it to.
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In my management training we're actually taught a slightly less sarcastic version of this - you just don't answer and ask the person what you should do and why. It's interesting to see what people respond with, as sometimes you uncover some other issue that you can solve that corrects a pile of issues, like "Don't listen to Jim, he doesn't read instructions".
In my management training we're actually taught a slightly less sarcastic version of this - you just don't answer and ask the person what you should do and why. It's interesting to see what people respond with, as sometimes you uncover some other issue that you can solve that corrects a pile of issues, like "Don't listen to Jim, he doesn't read instructions".
I did that once and then tracked all of the incorrect advice to one person, whom I then declared in front of his department to be a false prophet.
I may have told that story in here before.
While I agree that being insensitive is an issue, so is being oversensitive.
"what are you trying to accomplish?" is my go to response for users asking for dumb things. It's not too condescending, but lets them know that I don't think it is a good idea, and also that I might have a better alternative for them.
You see, because my boss, in his infinite wisdom, decided instead of wasting my time he'd write an export piece in foxpro. I told him it'd take me about a day to do it and get it working on my system instead.
No that's too long, I can do this in 30 minutes.
I spent all day yesterday troubleshooting it, because it didn't work.
And it spilled over into today.
I am very fucking angry right now.
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Microsoft has been trying to kill public folders since 2010. The odds of them actually doing any development on them are nil. iirc public folders weren't even supposed to be included at all in 2013, but after an outcry they said find and included it "as is" and basically told people to fuck off if it broke.
That's because too many big customers told them to keep it. but keeping it and developing it are two different things. I doubt that there's been a man hour worth of work into it aside from copy/pasting the code into the new exchange builds.
It's that our career path motto?
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I got an email from my primary client last week demanding to know why (list of 10 users)'s accounts were still active since they had all long left the company.
I asked when he had submitted a ticket to have any of their accounts disabled, mail forwarded, etc.
*crickets*
Oh, it'll be the same old bullshit we all hear.
"This should be an automatic process!"
"I shouldn't have to babysit him to get him to do his job!"
"The IT department is laying blame at everyone else's feet again instead of doing their job!"
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Did you put in the ticket? How do you expect them to give you mind reading powers if you don't file a ticket for it?
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SMTP and IMAP server with built in AD intergration.
And also, network share storage.
And it automatically sets up outlook with a click of a button.
Let's call it eXchange.
you're already creepin features
just let network shares be their own thing
maybe make DFS a little less stupid
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
But, at least if we're going to do it, we're going to attach a storage solution that already exists, and put it in their email client, instead of devising our own storage solution that doesn't work.
Users can send messages and other things to one another by writing into a new text file or whatever, and then adding the person they want to send it to as a 'recipient'. Solve all those pesky problems in one go.
start with any given project
edit project specs until you effectively have exchange+public folders
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
Really, that's.....surprising. I haven't touched 2016 yet, though we're looking at going to it next year.
Isn't it based on android now though?
Could be worse. It could be a windows phone.
Hey!
I like my Windows Phone. It does what little I ask of it very well.
I don't think you can get someone with an avatar of Sinistar to back off. There is only screaming and running.
eXchange 10 so it can be released along with the naming system of Windows 10. I'm surprised that Office 2016 wasn't just renamed to Office 10.
I was supposed to order a toner when the last one was used even though no one told me. I'm going to have to put in a ticket as the mind reading seems to be down.
I'm playing a game this week.
"Act like a moron"
When someone asks me for help I plead ignorance and ask them to help me.
Them - "Hi bowen, we're having some trouble with faxes (blah blah blah)."
Me - "Oh that stinks. What do you think we should do with that?"
them - "I don't know that's your job."
Me - "Is it? Oh I don't really know much about the inner workings of that whatchamacallit, but I'm sure if we put our heads together we can figure out something that'll work."
Them - "Maybe scan it and email it?"
Me - "Hmm what a great idea! Go try it!"
It is working... a lot better than I expected it to.
I may have told that story in here before.
"This export isn't working."
"I don't care."
"Yeah but."
"No I really don't care."
You see, because my boss, in his infinite wisdom, decided instead of wasting my time he'd write an export piece in foxpro. I told him it'd take me about a day to do it and get it working on my system instead.
No that's too long, I can do this in 30 minutes.
I spent all day yesterday troubleshooting it, because it didn't work.
And it spilled over into today.
I am very fucking angry right now.